Per Nfl.com: Browns Viewed Rg3 As "too Small"
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I thought CLE should have mortgaged the franchise to get that guy. . .
But looking at him at Redskins camp among the big guys makes him look small.
The problem with a mortgage like that is that it immediately becomes a negative equity situation and likely results in foreclosure.
No. Let the Skins mortgage their future. I say it is 50/50 on this mortgage being under water.
The problem with a mortgage like that is that it immediately becomes a negative equity situation and likely results in foreclosure.
No. Let the Skins mortgage their future. I say it is 50/50 on this mortgage being under water.
Hey, we're happy with our draft- Redskins fans are happy with theirs. What's the problem?
Washington's gamble (and it was the biggest gamble in recent draft history) can't be evaluated for several years anyway, until we see what the Rams do with those extra first round picks. Speaking of the Rams- our Washington visitors should head over to a St Louis board, where the general consensus there is they robbed the Redskins blind.
If Weeden busts- he cost us one first round pick. If RGIII busts it costs the Redskins 3 first round picks plus a second. (The 'Skins fans think that could never, ever happen)
Finally- yes, DUH. If the Browns had been sitting at #2 they would have taken RGIII, no question.
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If the Browns thought RG3 was too small...why even make the offer in the first place?
Other than the fact that the notion is bull, it seems to me that's the kind of thing that would be a red flag before you start negotiating to trade up to number two to draft him, and we know that the Browns were negotiating for the second overall pick. Holmgren said as much in that conference call he had with season ticket holders, that they tried "everything possible" to try to draft RG3, and he implied heavily that the reason the deal didn't get done was because of prior relationships within the Redskins and Rams front offices. Which may have held some water, if it hadn't come out that the Browns low-balled the St. Louis Rams with their offer, and then tried to match the Redskins offer after the deadline the Rams said.
So he was too small, but they were still willing to give up the same number of draft picks the Redskins did to get him?
And then, the Browns moved up one spot to draft Richardson. There's no problem with drafting Richardson, despite what Jim Brown says I think he'll be a very good player in the NFL. They likely did so because they felt someone else would jump up and draft him. So they gave up three draft picks---draft picks you needed---to move up one spot...only to find out that they weren't in any danger of losing Richardson.
So they give up a fourth, fifth and seventh round pick to move up one spot to get a guy that they could've drafted if they'd just stayed at four, because they panicked because they didn't want to get leapfrogged by Tampa Bay, I'm guessing. Even though Tampa didn't have the kind of ammo to move up.
This is turn leaves the Browns with no ammo to move up and get Kendall Wright, who got drafted by the Titans before the Browns could get him, which lead to the Browns panicking a second time, which lead to them drafting Weeden in the first round. And again; no problem with Weeden. I thought he was a way better prospect coming out than Tannehill. But they got no value for that pick.
And just to add a little more "whhaaaaat?" to the mix, they drafted Mitchell Scwartz in the second round. And yeah, Scwartz looks like he could be an okay right tackle...but they had the opportunity to help out their receiving core (Holmgren also said they tried everything possible to get someone like Pierre Garcon or Josh Morgan to no avail) by taking Rueben Randall or Stephen Hill, and THEN they moved down in the third round, which made this miss on receivers like T.J Graham, DeVier Posey and T.Y Hilton, all of whom were better all around better prospects than Travis Benjamin, who is fast, but can't get get off press coverage.
So they spent three draft picks on a guy they could've spent one on, drafted a 28-year-old quarterback in the first round, addressed right tackle but only drafted one receiver, a receiver who struggles getting off press and getting separation. On top of that, they spent a lot of picks on defense, but no one they drafted is going to help them with their pass rush and to get more sacks.
...You can see how we're a bit confused on how you're not a little more miffed...
And then, the Browns moved up one spot to draft Richardson. There's no problem with drafting Richardson, despite what Jim Brown says I think he'll be a very good player in the NFL. They likely did so because they felt someone else would jump up and draft him. So they gave up three draft picks---draft picks you needed---to move up one spot...only to find out that they weren't in any danger of losing Richardson.
So they give up a fourth, fifth and seventh round pick to move up one spot to get a guy that they could've drafted if they'd just stayed at four, because they panicked because they didn't want to get leapfrogged by Tampa Bay, I'm guessing. Even though Tampa didn't have the kind of ammo to move up.
When people try to make this argument that the Browns didnt need to move up to get T. Rich and they wasted picks because he would of been there @ 4, i cant help but SMH and say your a fuckin moron!! I like gippers response to this also. Use your peabrain here dumbasses. If T.B. was willing to trade their 36th and 101 to denver so they could jump back up to pick 31 and draft Doug Martin, what the fuck makes you think they werent trying to jump in front of CLE. to snag T.Rich???? Just fuckin baffels me.....
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And then, the Browns moved up one spot to draft Richardson. There's no problem with drafting Richardson, despite what Jim Brown says I think he'll be a very good player in the NFL. They likely did so because they felt someone else would jump up and draft him. So they gave up three draft picks---draft picks you needed---to move up one spot...only to find out that they weren't in any danger of losing Richardson.
So they give up a fourth, fifth and seventh round pick to move up one spot to get a guy that they could've drafted if they'd just stayed at four, because they panicked because they didn't want to get leapfrogged by Tampa Bay, I'm guessing. Even though Tampa didn't have the kind of ammo to move up.
When people try to make this argument that the Browns didnt need to move up to get T. Rich and they wasted picks because he would of been there @ 4, i cant help but SMH and say your a fuckin moron!! I like gippers response to this also. Use your peabrain here dumbasses. If T.B. was willing to trade their 36th and 101 to denver so they could jump back up to pick 31 and draft Doug Martin, what the fuck makes you think they werent trying to jump in front of CLE. to snag T.Rich???? Just fuckin baffels me.....
When people try to make this argument that the Browns didnt need to move up to get T. Rich and they wasted picks because he would of been there @ 4, i cant help but SMH and say your a fuckin moron!! I like gippers response to this also. Use your peabrain here dumbasses. If T.B. was willing to trade their 36th and 101 to denver so they could jump back up to pick 31 and draft Doug Martin, what the fuck makes you think they weren't trying to jump in front of CLE. to snag T.Rich???? Just fuckin baffles me.....
Hell it's the kettle calling the pot black. We got the fourth round pick back with a later trade. Effectively, we gave up a fifth and a seventh to move up one spot- in the first round. Sure beats Butch Davis giving up a second rounder to move up one spot to take Winslow. The Redskins gave up two firsts and a second to move up four. Now WHO gave up too much?
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I thought CLE should have mortgaged the franchise to get that guy. . .
But looking at him at Redskins camp among the big guys makes him look small.
The problem with a mortgage like that is that it immediately becomes a negative equity situation and likely results in foreclosure.
No. Let the Skins mortgage their future. I say it is 50/50 on this mortgage being under water.
The problem with a mortgage like that is that it immediately becomes a negative equity situation and likely results in foreclosure.
No. Let the Skins mortgage their future. I say it is 50/50 on this mortgage being under water.
Except that the Skins are not mortgaging anything.
We are down two picks over the next two drafts (actually one, since we had 8 picks in next year's draft before the trade). So we don't have a first round pick, oh well. Shanny has shown he can find good players in the middle and late rounds (Hankerson, Helu, Royster, Riley, Gomes), which means it's not a major loss.
Even if RG3 busts, we still have a decent option at backup in Cousins (who might not be a world beater, but he is better than Grossman).
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The problem with a mortgage like that is that it immediately becomes a negative equity situation and likely results in foreclosure.
No. Let the Skins mortgage their future. I say it is 50/50 on this mortgage being under water.
Except that the Skins are not mortgaging anything.
We are down two picks over the next two drafts (actually one, since we had 8 picks in next year's draft before the trade). So we don't have a first round pick, oh well. Shanny has shown he can find good players in the middle and late rounds (Hankerson, Helu, Royster, Riley, Gomes), which means it's not a major loss.
Even if RG3 busts, we still have a decent option at backup in Cousins (who might not be a world beater, but he is better than Grossman).
decent option at backup in Cousins (who might not be a world beater, but he is better than Grossman).
and you base than on cousins stellar nfl career?
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decent option at backup in Cousins (who might not be a world beater, but he is better than Grossman).
and you base than on cousins stellar nfl career?
and you base than on cousins stellar nfl career?
I base that on he is a better fit for the offense Shanahan wants to run (seeing as how Grossman couldn't outrun a one-legged turtle) and he knows what he can and can't throw so he doesn't try to thread the needle between three defenders.
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The problem with a mortgage like that is that it immediately becomes a negative equity situation and likely results in foreclosure.
No. Let the Skins mortgage their future. I say it is 50/50 on this mortgage being under water.
Except that the Skins are not mortgaging anything.
We are down two picks over the next two drafts (actually one, since we had 8 picks in next year's draft before the trade). So we don't have a first round pick, oh well. Shanny has shown he can find good players in the middle and late rounds (Hankerson, Helu, Royster, Riley, Gomes), which means it's not a major loss.
Even if RG3 busts, we still have a decent option at backup in Cousins (who might not be a world beater, but he is better than Grossman).
Except that the Skins are not mortgaging anything.
We are down two picks over the next two drafts (actually one, since we had 8 picks in next year's draft before the trade). So we don't have a first round pick, oh well. Shanny has shown he can find good players in the middle and late rounds (Hankerson, Helu, Royster, Riley, Gomes), which means it's not a major loss.
Even if RG3 busts, we still have a decent option at backup in Cousins (who might not be a world beater, but he is better than Grossman).
Well, "mortgaging your future" is a euphamism meaning that you gave up a significant percentage of your future valuable assets to move up to take this guy. That is a very heavy price to pay if it doesn't work out. You will have obtained ONE first round talented player...RG, instead of 3 first round talented players...who knows what those will be.
Your 3+ for 1 deal HAS to pay off.
It might. No reason that it shouldn't. But it is still a 50/50 chance of being a bust. If you have to go to Cousins then the whole venture is a complete failure..
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Except that the Skins are not mortgaging anything.
We are down two picks over the next two drafts (actually one, since we had 8 picks in next year's draft before the trade). So we don't have a first round pick, oh well. Shanny has shown he can find good players in the middle and late rounds (Hankerson, Helu, Royster, Riley, Gomes), which means it's not a major loss.
Even if RG3 busts, we still have a decent option at backup in Cousins (who might not be a world beater, but he is better than Grossman).
Well, "mortgaging your future" is a euphamism meaning that you gave up a significant percentage of your future valuable assets to move up to take this guy. That is a very heavy price to pay if it doesn't work out. You will have obtained ONE first round talented player...RG, instead of 3 first round talented players...who knows what those will be.
Your 3+ for 1 deal HAS to pay off.
It might. No reason that it shouldn't. But it is still a 50/50 chance of being a bust. If you have to go to Cousins then the whole venture is a complete failure..
Well, "mortgaging your future" is a euphamism meaning that you gave up a significant percentage of your future valuable assets to move up to take this guy. That is a very heavy price to pay if it doesn't work out. You will have obtained ONE first round talented player...RG, instead of 3 first round talented players...who knows what those will be.
Your 3+ for 1 deal HAS to pay off.
It might. No reason that it shouldn't. But it is still a 50/50 chance of being a bust. If you have to go to Cousins then the whole venture is a complete failure..
Redskins fans can spin it any way they want to- but the draft value chart says they gave up a first round pick that they shouldn't have had to. An extra first round pick, plus a second by the book was plenty to move up 4 spots.
And to Shanahan's genius- if he's so confident in RGIII- giving up the ranch to get him, why draft another quarterback- Kirk Cousins, in the fourth round? That move was almost universally panned as one of the dumbest picks in the entire draft.
We shall see if RGIII turns out to be > Richardson, Weeden, Schwartz, + our first round pick next year. If not, we did well to bow out of the bidding competition.
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Well, "mortgaging your future" is a euphamism meaning that you gave up a significant percentage of your future valuable assets to move up to take this guy. That is a very heavy price to pay if it doesn't work out. You will have obtained ONE first round talented player...RG, instead of 3 first round talented players...who knows what those will be.
Your 3+ for 1 deal HAS to pay off.
It might. No reason that it shouldn't. But it is still a 50/50 chance of being a bust. If you have to go to Cousins then the whole venture is a complete failure..
Redskins fans can spin it any way they want to- but the draft value chart says they gave up a first round pick that they shouldn't have had to. An extra first round pick, plus a second by the book was plenty to move up 4 spots.
And to Shanahan's genius- if he's so confident in RGIII- giving up the ranch to get him, why draft another quarterback- Kirk Cousins, in the fourth round? That move was almost universally panned as one of the dumbest picks in the entire draft.
We shall see if RGIII turns out to be > Richardson, Weeden, Schwartz, + our first round pick next year. If not, we did well to bow out of the bidding competition.
And to Shanahan's genius- if he's so confident in RGIII- giving up the ranch to get him, why draft another quarterback- Kirk Cousins, in the fourth round? That move was almost universally panned as one of the dumbest picks in the entire draft.
Maybe the Redskins had some concerns with RG3's size (aka injury concerns) as well.
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Well, "mortgaging your future" is a euphamism meaning that you gave up a significant percentage of your future valuable assets to move up to take this guy. That is a very heavy price to pay if it doesn't work out. You will have obtained ONE first round talented player...RG, instead of 3 first round talented players...who knows what those will be.
Your 3+ for 1 deal HAS to pay off.
It might. No reason that it shouldn't. But it is still a 50/50 chance of being a bust. If you have to go to Cousins then the whole venture is a complete failure..
Redskins fans can spin it any way they want to- but the draft value chart says they gave up a first round pick that they shouldn't have had to. An extra first round pick, plus a second by the book was plenty to move up 4 spots.
And to Shanahan's genius- if he's so confident in RGIII- giving up the ranch to get him, why draft another quarterback- Kirk Cousins, in the fourth round? That move was almost universally panned as one of the dumbest picks in the entire draft.
We shall see if RGIII turns out to be > Richardson, Weeden, Schwartz, + our first round pick next year. If not, we did well to bow out of the bidding competition.
And to Shanahan's genius- if he's so confident in RGIII- giving up the ranch to get him, why draft another quarterback- Kirk Cousins, in the fourth round? That move was almost universally panned as one of the dumbest picks in the entire draft.
Maybe it's because we are going to be getting rid of Grossman and he wants a handpicked and groomed QB backing up the franchise?
...or possibly we are going to flip him here in a year or two and get a mid round pick back?
At the time it was called a "questionable" pick, but as time progressed people began to see the wisdom in that pick.
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And to Shanahan's genius- if he's so confident in RGIII- giving up the ranch to get him, why draft another quarterback- Kirk Cousins, in the fourth round? That move was almost universally panned as one of the dumbest picks in the entire draft.
Maybe it's because we are going to be getting rid of Grossman and he wants a handpicked and groomed QB backing up the franchise?
...or possibly we are going to flip him here in a year or two and get a mid round pick back?
At the time it was called a "questionable" pick, but as time progressed people began to see the wisdom in that pick.
Maybe it's because we are going to be getting rid of Grossman and he wants a handpicked and groomed QB backing up the franchise?
...or possibly we are going to flip him here in a year or two and get a mid round pick back?
At the time it was called a "questionable" pick, but as time progressed people began to see the wisdom in that pick.
You are being the biggest homer on this board.
Also, this thread is worthless. 'Oh no, the Browns management don't think my quarterback is worth 3 first round picks'. boo hoo.
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Maybe it's because we are going to be getting rid of Grossman and he wants a handpicked and groomed QB backing up the franchise?
...or possibly we are going to flip him here in a year or two and get a mid round pick back?
At the time it was called a "questionable" pick, but as time progressed people began to see the wisdom in that pick.
You are being the biggest homer on this board.
Also, this thread is worthless. 'Oh no, the Browns management don't think my quarterback is worth 3 first round picks'. boo hoo.
You are being the biggest homer on this board.
Also, this thread is worthless. 'Oh no, the Browns management don't think my quarterback is worth 3 first round picks'. boo hoo.
How am I the "biggest homer on the board"?
By saying that Cousins was a smart pick who is better than Grossman and could reap rewards down the line? Or by not falling in line with this board by saying the Skins did a good job with the draft?
And how is that more homer than "Weeden will be better than RG3/Weeden and Richardson=playoffs/etc? I'm not saying that's idiotic to say, because the Browns may very well make the playoffs this year. A couple things have to fall in place, but that's true for every team. It's just pretty homeristic to say that though.
And if you'd have actually read the thread, you'd realize that that isn't what it was about. It was more about gouging Browns fans' reaction to what H&H put out regarding RG3.
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You are asking people on a browns message board for their opinions and when you get them you cry. We did want to draft RG3 but the price was too high, now we have Rich/Weed + a first round pick in 13 and 14 (A pretty damn good combo). Both QBs have pros and cons and nobody knows what is going to happen over the next 3 years.
So what is the browns say he is small or skinny or whatever the fuck?
PS My dad is stronger than yours !
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You are asking people on a browns message board for their opinions and when you get them you cry. We did want to draft RG3 but the price was too high, now we have Rich/Weed + a first round pick in 13 and 14 (A pretty damn good combo). Both QBs have pros and cons and nobody knows what is going to happen over the next 3 years.
So what is the browns say he is small or skinny or whatever the fuck?
PS My dad is stronger than yours !
You are asking people on a browns message board for their opinions and when you get them you cry. We did want to draft RG3 but the price was too high, now we have Rich/Weed + a first round pick in 13 and 14 (A pretty damn good combo). Both QBs have pros and cons and nobody knows what is going to happen over the next 3 years.
So what is the browns say he is small or skinny or whatever the fuck?
When did I cry about someone's opinion?
I asked a question, it was answered. Not one Redskins fan here rose a stink until people started talking shit about the Skins.
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And to Shanahan's genius- if he's so confident in RGIII- giving up the ranch to get him, why draft another quarterback- Kirk Cousins, in the fourth round? That move was almost universally panned as one of the dumbest picks in the entire draft.
Maybe it's because we are going to be getting rid of Grossman and he wants a handpicked and groomed QB backing up the franchise?
...or possibly we are going to flip him here in a year or two and get a mid round pick back?
At the time it was called a "questionable" pick, but as time progressed people began to see the wisdom in that pick.
Maybe it's because we are going to be getting rid of Grossman and he wants a handpicked and groomed QB backing up the franchise?
...or possibly we are going to flip him here in a year or two and get a mid round pick back?
At the time it was called a "questionable" pick, but as time progressed people began to see the wisdom in that pick.
I'd say the Redskins had slightly bigger needs than a backup quarterback. From the little I've read, Cousins is a rehash of Colt McCoy.
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Maybe it's because we are going to be getting rid of Grossman and he wants a handpicked and groomed QB backing up the franchise?
...or possibly we are going to flip him here in a year or two and get a mid round pick back?
At the time it was called a "questionable" pick, but as time progressed people began to see the wisdom in that pick.
I'd say the Redskins had slightly bigger needs than a backup quarterback. From the little I've read, Cousins is a rehash of Colt McCoy.
I'd say the Redskins had slightly bigger needs than a backup quarterback. From the little I've read, Cousins is a rehash of Colt McCoy.
Well, McCoy will be the Browns backup. If it is good enough for us, it is good enough for them.
The thing is, it just seems bizarre that a team would spend as much as the Skins did on their "franchise" QB, then draft his backup in the same draft in the 4th round.
Maybe it will work for them. Bon Chance.
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