Preseason Power Rankings
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Who's trolling? You's Trolling foo! LOL
Seriously though. I really like our LBs with DQ, Fujita and Gocong the Vets bringing along Miava, Acho and Johnson.
Plus, why do our WRs have to be the worst? Is it because we don't have a diva out there with a big ass mouth? I really, really like our WRs. We've got a young talent in Little, a Veteran who gets better like a fine wine in Cribbs, Momass, Norwood, Mitchell, and Benjamin. Plus some other young talent. We are young and nobody has a me first type attitude, it's all about team and that there makes them better than half the teams in the league.
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The guy is just another jerk.
Power ratings? Questions?
Sounds like he just dumped on the Browns because of last year's record, to cya/cha.
Trash.
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@king-ghoolie-lives said:
The Browns will make a run at a playoff spot, and sweep the Steelers.
why are you guys so in love with the Steelers? seriously....we weren't even the division champs last year. worry about putting together a winning season, because you managed to put up the 4th worst record in the NFL and it's odd that the main priority of browns fans is beating the Steelers (finally).
with all i've heard about Big Ben being a rapist and i go to a online sex offender registry and look up cleveland and Pittsburgh and what do i find? cleveland has a CRAP load more sex offenders (and expecially child molesters) than Pittsburgh.......over 4X as many over all. 2055 of them to Pittsburgh's 421. www.familywatchdog.us better never hear one of you date raping, can't get a woman with my tiny peep unless i hold her down, child molesting hypocrits say anything else about Ben. -
@king-ghoolie-lives said:
The Browns will make a run at a playoff spot, and sweep the Steelers.
why are you guys so in love with the Steelers? seriously....we weren't even the division champs last year. worry about putting together a winning season, because you managed to put up the 4th worst record in the NFL and it's odd that the main priority of browns fans is beating the Steelers (finally).
why are you guys so in love with the Steelers? seriously....we weren't even the division champs last year. worry about putting together a winning season, because you managed to put up the 4th worst record in the NFL and it's odd that the main priority of browns fans is beating the Steelers (finally).
We have a HATRED for the Steelers. You fucks come into our stadium to throw shit in our faces. You celebrate like a bunch of baboons when you kick a dead horse. Your actions will not be forgotten and our honor WILL be avenged...
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@king-ghoolie-lives said:
The Browns will make a run at a playoff spot, and sweep the Steelers.
why are you guys so in love with the Steelers? seriously....we weren't even the division champs last year. worry about putting together a winning season, because you managed to put up the 4th worst record in the NFL and it's odd that the main priority of browns fans is beating the Steelers (finally).
why are you guys so in love with the Steelers? seriously....we weren't even the division champs last year. worry about putting together a winning season, because you managed to put up the 4th worst record in the NFL and it's odd that the main priority of browns fans is beating the Steelers (finally).
Nope, my priority would be beating the snot out of Florio for ranking the Browns dead last. We're not great, not even playoff material, but the dregs of the NFL? Guess he thinks the addition of poster boy Andrew Luck is going to make the Colts- who were in jeopardy of running the table last year like the 0-16 Lions, will make them THAT much better than the Browns. Well if poster boy gets hurt- it leaves them with Drew Stanton- and it's debatable if he's any better than McCoy.
I'll give the Colts Freeney, Mathis, and Wayne- and to my biased POV the Browns are better everywhere else.
Hey Florio- you do know Weeden beat Luck when they played in that Bowl game, don't you?
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Best Center
Best Left Tackle
Best Runningback
Great WR
Best Kickoff Returner/ Punt Returner
Best Cornerback
Best Defensive End IMO
One of the Best Middle Linebackers
One of the Best Hardworking Defensive Tackles
A Great SS
The best Kicker in the NFL
A very good punter in Hodges.
That plus the additons of many other solid players puts us right up there. Once everyone else "sees" what I KNOW then we will certainly be within the top ten range and I don't care who thinks I'm crazy.
well one report i read has us at 31 above the vikings.......if that's any consolation.
Best Center - nope.
Best Left Tackle - yes
Best Runningback - ok. really?
Great WR - who? little? not even top ten.
Best Kickoff Returner/ Punt Returner - i know you're not talking about cribbs. maybe four years ago i would have agreed.
Best Cornerback - ok. he's in the top ten.
Best Defensive End IMO - thank you for saying IMO cuz none of our guys are top ten....yet.
One of the Best Middle Linebackers - who are you talking about?
One of the Best Hardworking Defensive Tackles - who's out with an injury.
A Great SS - in top ten if can stay healthy.
The best Kicker in the NFL - yeah if you're talking about kicks under 40 yards. you know there are guys out there now that consistently hit kicks over 50 yards don't you?
A very good punter in Hodges. - if he stays healthy.
That plus the additons of many other solid players puts us right up there. Once everyone else "sees" what I KNOW then we will certainly be within the top ten range and I don't care who thinks I'm crazy.
uh, i think you're crazy. BUT show great optimism and are a great fan.
but still crazy.
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Best Center
Best Left Tackle
Best Runningback
Great WR
Best Kickoff Returner/ Punt Returner
Best Cornerback
Best Defensive End IMO
One of the Best Middle Linebackers
One of the Best Hardworking Defensive Tackles
A Great SS
The best Kicker in the NFL
A very good punter in Hodges.
That plus the additons of many other solid players puts us right up there. Once everyone else "sees" what I KNOW then we will certainly be within the top ten range and I don't care who thinks I'm crazy.
I assume you are talking about "in the AFCN", not the entire NFL. Here are my replies, specific to AFCN:
Best Center...arguably, at least equal to Pouncey
Best Left Tackle...Yes
Best Runningback..potentially, but right now I would still give the mantle to Ray Rice.
Great WR...nothing great yet. At best I would say "a potentially good WR"
Best Kickoff Returner/ Punt Returner...possibly if Cribbs still has it, which is a question mark
Best Cornerback..in the AFCN, possibly, maybe even probably
Best Defensive End IMO Who? Sheard? Again, potentially. I am not sure I would go that far at the moment
One of the Best Middle Linebackers Yea? He probably ranks 4th best in the division...which of course also ranks him as one of the worst MLBs.
One of the Best Hardworking Defensive Tackles I'll go along with Rubin being that. He is probably not Ngata, but he is good.
A Great SS...again, hopefully. Need TJ to recover from injury to be convinced
The best Kicker in the NFL Maybe. A very good reliable kicker for sure.
A very good punter in Hodges. OK, yes, again, if he is recovered from injury.
That plus the additons of many other solid players puts us right up there. Once everyone else "sees" what I KNOW then we will certainly be within the top ten range and I don't care who thinks I'm crazy.
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@king-ghoolie-lives said:
Who was the last team that won the Lombardi Trophy based on the pre season power rankings?
Dudes, really, this is mental masturbation/
You can't judgs much form the Browns squad because we haven't had a QB. The WRs, RB, DL, OL, EVERYONE......... give a lackluster, lackadasical performance because NOBODY BELIEVES THEY CAN WIN with the piec of shit behind center.
I don't believe that. If they gave a lackluster lackadaisical performance it is because the team takes on the personality of its Head Coach.
Dropped passes, missed tackles, missed blocks, fucked up execution? ALL THE FAULY OF HAVING A QB THAT NOBODY believes in.
Really? I would attribute that to poor fundamentals, which again is a coaching issue.
Again, the difference in speed and athletic ability between any young pros at any given position are remarkably close, yet a few excell and most don't.
Football is largely an emotional, testosterone and adrenaline driven sport. Citoris McCoy causes teh secretion of estrogen and teh growing of milk tits.
Yeah? Does Shurmur cause your blood to stir when he gives his pep talks? I will take McCoy's manhood ove Shurmurs.
I think you have some points to make Ghoolie. I just think they are directed at the wrong party.
Fuck what happened last year, and fuck the preseason power rankings.
The Browns will make a run at a playoff spot, and sweep the Steelers.
Some of you dickheads sould like me with your idiotic doom and gloom. No wonder I pissed so many people off. Of course I was funny when I did it, you homos are just lame.
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@king-ghoolie-lives said:
The Browns will make a run at a playoff spot, and sweep the Steelers.
why are you guys so in love with the Steelers? seriously....we weren't even the division champs last year. worry about putting together a winning season, because you managed to put up the 4th worst record in the NFL and it's odd that the main priority of browns fans is beating the Steelers (finally).
why are you guys so in love with the Steelers? seriously....we weren't even the division champs last year. worry about putting together a winning season, because you managed to put up the 4th worst record in the NFL and it's odd that the main priority of browns fans is beating the Steelers (finally).
I agree, the Steelers are nothing now....other than perhaps the perceived 3rd best team in the division that the Browns are most likely to overtake. From that standpoint defeating them would be the roadmap to overtaking them....but that wouldn't mean the Browns can get past the Bengals and Ravens.
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I'll take some heat for this and deservedly so. If the Browns get Josh Gordon out of the supplemental draft, then they're making the playoffs. You heard it here first.
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Dude....i was enjoying reading this up until the point where you said....for the umpteenth time....that richardson is the #1 RB in the NFL.
Your enthusiasm spoils your message.....yet, i do share you optimism. Im not looking for richardson to blow up the league. All we need from him is 4ypc to make the offense roll. Where he will earn his real accolades is the little thibgs....the ball control, getting that extra yard, vision, and surely his pass protection....his best assett imo. Hes reportedly a jack of all trades, master of none type of back. More important than his exceptional traits is his lack of weaknesses imo. He'll be a fantastic addition...but to be a top 5 back on this team....as a rookie....come on man....
Dude....i was enjoying reading this up until the point where you said....for the umpteenth time....that richardson is the #1 RB in the NFL.
Florio's point was, who gives a shit even if Richardson is the #1 RB in the NFL. Where did that get the Vikings, the Jaguars, or the Titans the past few years? RB is a dime a dozen position, and why you don't waste a top 5 pick on one.
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Link: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/09/preseason-power-rankings-no-32-cleveland-browns/
Preseason Power Rankings No. 32: Cleveland Browns
Posted by Mike Florio on July 9, 2012, 10:29 AM EDT
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It’s the 10th anniversary of the Browns’ first and only trip to the postseason since the franchise returned in 1999.
Hooray?
Last year, the Browns were the only members of the AFC North to not make it to the postseason. While they likely won’t be quite so alone when the dust settles on 2012, they’re currently all alone at the bottom of the heap.
Hey, someone has to be No. 32. Though the Browns could scratch and claw and climb and thrive (and I personally hope they will), the franchise collectively has pressed the button that falls between “panic” and “reset” for the coming season.
The approach feels a little different, but the outcome is likely to remain the same. At least for now.
Strengths.
The good news is that the Browns continue to have one of the best left tackles in the game. The bad news is that, even with Joe Thomas doing his job as well as anyone who protects the blind side of a right-handed quarterback, having a cornerstone on the offensive line isn’t a stepping stone to a Super Bowl. Or, in the Browns’ case, a playoff berth.
The Browns also have a solid corps of cornerbacks, with Joe Haden, Sheldon Brown, and Dimitri Patterson anchoring an underrated coverage unit. Second only to the Steelers in pass defense last season, with 184.9 yards surrendered through the air per game, the Browns know how to avoid getting burned by today’s high-octane offenses.
Receiver Josh Cribbs remains one of the most dangerous return specialists in the game, even though the movement of the kickoff point from the 30 back to the 35 has diminished the value of a quality kick-return ace. In 2011, Cribbs generated the third highest punt-return average of his seven-year career, and he racked up a career-high 518 receiving yards. The Browns need him to step up even more on offense, especially if he hopes to stick around beyond the coming season.
Weaknesses.
Though there’s promise at the quarterback position, where 28-year-old rookie Brandon Weeden arrived via the first round of the draft, the depth chart remains an across-the-board liability unless and until Weeden shows he can perform at the NFL level. The ongoing presence of Colt McCoy serves only to exacerbate the situation; if McCoy is hovering over Weeden’s shoulder as he struggles or if McCoy ends up playing (and, with everyone including McCoy assuming he’ll eventually be benched for Weeden, thriving), the Browns could have another Derek Anderson/Brady Quinn mess.
The Browns’ pass defense may have performed so well statistically in 2011 because opponents didn’t need to throw against Cleveland, opting instead to gash them on the ground. The Browns finished 30th in the league last year in rush defense, giving up 147.4 yards per game. Bringing in free-agent defensive ends Juqua Parker and Frostee Rucker won’t dramatically help, but it can’t hurt.
It also won’t hurt if defensive tackle Phil Taylor can recover from a torn pectoral muscle sooner rather than later.
Beyond quarterback, the offense features plenty of potential weak spots and, at a minimum, question marks. Can second-round rookie Mitchell Schwartz step right in and take over for Tony Pashos at right tackle? Can receiver Greg Little make the kind of leap that will make the Browns feel even better about the Julio Jones trade? Can receiver Mohamed Massaquoi finally step up?
The biggest concern comes behind rookie tailback Trent Richardson. With the Browns investing so much in Cleveland’s most-hyped running back since Jim Brown, the Browns had better hope Richardson doesn’t get Ki-Jana Cartered in the preseason. If Richardson does, guys like Montario Hardesty, Chris Ogbonnaya, and/or Brandon Jackson will need to play the way they should have played to keep the Browns from feeling like they needed to go all in on a dime-a-dozen position.
Changes.
The Browns wisely have hired an offensive coordinator, in the hopes of taking some of the pressure off second-year head coach Pat Shurmur. He opted for familiarity in former Vikings coach and Eagles offensive coordinator Brad Childress, who did well in the latter job (despite not calling the plays) and not as well in the former. Childress knows a thing or two about running an offense with a workhorse tailback drawing safeties into the box; the challenge will be to unleash the passing game if/when Richardson becomes what the Browns expect him to be. In Minnesota, Childress wasn’t able to do that with any quarterback not named Brett Favre.
Richardson has become the star tailback because the guy who was supposed to be the next big thing in Cleveland, Peyton Hillis, took the Madden curse to a new level in 2011. Obsessed with getting a big contract, Hillis eventually got a one-way ticket to Kansas City, where he found a pot of gold far smaller than he thought he deserved.
On defense, safety Mike Adams has gone to Denver, and ends Juqua Parker and Frostee Rucker beef up a line that could use more of the same.
The most significant change has yet to be officially made. If the Browns want to get the most out of the 22nd pick in this year’s draft, they need to clear their 2010 third-rounder, Colt McCoy, off the roster. The sooner it happens, the better off Brandon Weeden will be as he tries to become the first franchise quarterback of the reconstituted Browns franchise.
Camp battles.
The biggest battle shouldn’t be a battle at all. Brandon Weeden should be installed as the starting quarterback, and Colt McCoy should be shipped elsewhere. If they can’t trade him, they should just cut him loose.
If McCoy stays, Weeden nevertheless has the inside track on winning the starting job. Especially since McCoy already has had enough time to audition for the gig — and has performed just well enough to persuade the Browns to spend a first-round pick on Weeden.
The battle to back up Trent Richardson likely will result in the third-place finisher (Montario Hardesty or Chris Ogbonnaya or Brandon Jackson) getting cut. Hopefully, the winner will at least get a Water Pik.
On defense, Sheldon Brown may not be able to hold off Dimitri Patterson for a starting cornerback job. The 33-year-old Brown could still slide back a level, if neither Eric Hagg nor Usama Young can effectively replace Mike Adams at free safety.
Prospects.
A six-game run against teams that either made the playoffs in 2011 or are being picked to get their in 2012 could cause the Browns to yet again fall down in a way that will prevent them from getting up. It will be critical to at least split with the Bengals in a pair of games played four weeks apart (Week Two and Week Six), and likewise to steal at least one from the Eagles, Bills, Ravens, or Giants.
If the Browns make the trip to Indy on October 21 at 2-4 and beat the Colts to climb to 3-4 with back-to-back home games looming against the Chargers and Ravens before the bye, things could get interesting in mid-November.
It’s unlikely, however, that the Browns will be able to consistently compete in the first season of the Trent Richardson-Brandon Weeden offense. The goal should be to demonstrate the kind of improvement that won’t cause the Browns to reach for the “panic” button or the “reset” button or any button close to either in 2013 and beyond.
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Wow... That's all I can say is "wow". What an unimaginative prick.
Our weaknesses are:
1)Having a QB competition between a unique QB prospect and a young QB with lots of potential.
2)Bringing in two veteran defensive lineman to man the hatches and help stop the run.
3)Talking about Phil Taylor.
4)Questioning our RT... a crash test dummy would be more resistance than Tony Pashos.
5)Cleveland is already sold on Greg Little. The sky is the limit for him, he just needs to remember to take the ball with him.
6)And bashing Cleveland for taking a "dime-a-dozen" position, ie. a Runningback, Trent Richardson to be specific. Well, screw him and Jim Brown. I don't care what the think. Richardson is going to be a breath of fresh air. Imagine Lawrence Vickers in a runningbacks body, NO, wait... A juggernauts body, then you'd have Trent Richardson. HE WILL TERMINATE DEFENSES.
Anyways, I'm just saying this guys sees weaknesses whereas I see opportunities. This guy is going to shit himself if he really believes that we are 32nd. Fuck these guys, now IT'S WAR! The way I see it, these guys better invest in a nice winter coat because they'll be covering Cleveland in January.
Realistically, I see Cleveland around the top 10 in preseason power rankings. They have some question marks, BUT, they also have some serious weapons to go to war with. Richardson, #1 RB in the league, I can't think of anyone else in the NFL that I'd rather have on our team as a runningback right now. If you have one, let me hear it.
We have the opportunity to put a very talented QB out there. Someone has to take the job. In my eyes the better QB will play. That is a GOOD problem to have. If it's Weeden that's great, but if it's McCoy then I expect a huge jump in his performance.
Our Strengths? They are the same Strengths that they've listed for us the last 2 years... Joe Thomas, Joe Haden... Josh Cribbs... insert mechanical robot voice... Give me a break! How about- Alex Mack! What about Jabaal Sheard? How about Trent Richardson, Atuba Rubin, DQ, TJ Ward, or our outstanding group of TEs? Nope! Same damn robotic voice reading the printout. They don't know the Browns! They don't know Cleveland. They are about to become "witnesses". 🥷
Link: http://profootballta...eveland-browns/
Preseason Power Rankings No. 32: Cleveland Browns
Posted by Mike Florio on July 9, 2012, 10:29 AM EDT don't know the Browns! They [mike florio] don't know Cleveland!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
that about says it all.
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Dude....i was enjoying reading this up until the point where you said....for the umpteenth time....that richardson is the #1 RB in the NFL.
Florio's point was, who gives a shit even if Richardson is the #1 RB in the NFL. Where did that get the Vikings, the Jaguars, or the Titans the past few years? RB is a dime a dozen position, and why you don't waste a top 5 pick on one.
Florio's point was, who gives a shit even if Richardson is the #1 RB in the NFL. Where did that get the Vikings, the Jaguars, or the Titans the past few years? RB is a dime a dozen position, and why you don't waste a top 5 pick on one.
florio was lazy and did piss poor homework. i think that was his (their) point(s).
and if the DA/Quinn episode was a debacle i didn't see it. i thought our board saw more action regarding them in fact.
florio sux, fuk him.
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@king-ghoolie-lives said:
Gipper, all teh criticisms you make of our poor performance you could have said about the Browns team that Sipe took over.
Yet, with the same exact team, just a change of QB, EVERYONE raised their level of play.
Players play to the level that they believe in their QB. The diffeence between winning and losing in close competitions is passion.
This is one we won't have to wait long to see a resolution to. I am that convinced that McCoy to Weeden, with the addition of Richardson, will make every difference in teh play of the rest of the team.
Shurmur isn't the problem.
Except, if you remember, coaching was a problem then also. When Sipe took over it also corresponded with when Rutigliano took over.
So, to my view, it is an equal problem. Maybe a great QB can get this team to play better...maybe not if the coaching is lousy.
I am hoping you are right....that Shurmur isn't the problem.....because we are stuck with him.
I am hoping he is the reincarnation of Bill Walsh.
But my reservation of judgment is well justified. And I believe nearly everyone here will agree with that.
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Dude....i was enjoying reading this up until the point where you said....for the umpteenth time....that richardson is the #1 RB in the NFL.
Florio's point was, who gives a shit even if Richardson is the #1 RB in the NFL. Where did that get the Vikings, the Jaguars, or the Titans the past few years? RB is a dime a dozen position, and why you don't waste a top 5 pick on one.
Florio's point was, who gives a shit even if Richardson is the #1 RB in the NFL. Where did that get the Vikings, the Jaguars, or the Titans the past few years? RB is a dime a dozen position, and why you don't waste a top 5 pick on one.
OK, you make a certain point. A good RB cannot make a team good. But, not having a good RB can make a team bad.
I also think with the Vikings/Jags/Titans several other components of those teams fell off to cause their records to fall off. Like their defenses etc.
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No its not. Marty mcfly arrived in the future in 2015.
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No its not. Marty mcfly arrived in the future in 2015.
No its not. Marty mcfly arrived in the future in 2015.
Yea, it was 2015.
So, we have 3 years for science and technology to deliver on holographic movies, hoverboards, flying cars, and Mr. Fusion.
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The Browns defense held up last year for its schemes and was in the top 5 for along time and a def top 10 easily, to have the browns dead last at 32 based on our defensive ratings and play last year i don't wanna read your preseason ratings.
Browns realistically could be 22-24 atm buw not dead fucking last. You don't gotta bring up the Jags, Dolphins, Rams, Cardinals, Vikings, Colts, Redskins, and Bucs each of those teams i could argue did not improve as much as the Browns did in post draft/fa/S.draft.
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The Browns defense held up last year for its schemes and was in the top 5 for along time and a def top 10 easily, to have the browns dead last at 32 based on our defensive ratings and play last year i don't wanna read your preseason ratings.
Browns realistically could be 22-24 atm buw not dead fucking last. You don't gotta bring up the Jags, Dolphins, Rams, Cardinals, Vikings, Colts, Redskins, and Bucs each of those teams i could argue did not improve as much as the Browns did in post draft/fa/S.draft.
The Browns defense held up last year for its schemes and was in the top 5 for along time and a def top 10 easily, to have the browns dead last at 32 based on our defensive ratings and play last year i don't wanna read your preseason ratings.
Browns realistically could be 22-24 atm buw not dead fucking last. You don't gotta bring up the Jags, Dolphins, Rams, Cardinals, Vikings, Colts, Redskins, and Bucs each of those teams i could argue did not improve as much as the Browns did in post draft/fa/S.draft.
When you are that far at the bottom of the barrel, does it really matter exactly how deep? All those teams, including the Browns, are terrible in their own special way. Maybe this year will prove different. I certainly hope so.
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