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  • Tim Couch Pulls Out Tim Couch Pulls OutT Very Popular Reacting Well Posting Machine Collaborator First Post One Year In One Month Later Week One Done
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    Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out wrote on last edited by
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    Shut the fuvk up already

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      Colt should be in the top 20 somewhere! This is Bullshit. McCoy is getting railroaded and it's complete bullshit. I know that I see a winner in Colt. If we let him get away we will once again regret but in some fucked up way, justify it that we're somehow the better for it. No respect for our QB out there? Did anyone else see the stuff the youngster has been put through so far? He was drafted here to learn the speed of the game and get better wasn't he?!! Well from lack of a veteran able to keep Colt on the bench to learn and no get killed, he had to go out and get killed. The kid has took his lumps out there for us. He has been around the block a time or two. He's took Pittsburgh's toughest "best-cheap" shot and he's not phased. Maybe Weeden can be that "Veteran" presence to somehow- backwards and as strange sounding as it sounds, mentor McCoy in some fashion? Hmm..

      I just say that Colt is still young and with the team getting better around him(something everyone seems to think "has to be" in order for Colt to succeed) maybe he gets another shot at it. I just hope he can find a way to "stick" around and to keep being a positive force in the lockerroom and in the culture of our franchise and fanbase. Colt is a smart kid, he's not dumbjock. If he still thinks he can do this then I say damnit he earned at least 1 chance to prove himself IMO. If he calculates and kinda notices that "my arm is weak" or "I'm not tall enough to be a franchise QB" or any other nonsense, I'm quite sure that he'd be the first one to fall back and embrace a backup QB position just like Seneca Wallace has done his whole career. But in that he's fighting and striving to keep Weeden back, that shows me something that cannot be measured in stats. I'd like to see what connections he made internally and externally during this off-season. Something tells me that some of you might not recognize the youngster wearing #12 and doing everything "right".

      I still believe in you Colt. In Jesus' name Brother.

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      @poeticg said:

      Colt should be in the top 20 somewhere! This is Bullshit. McCoy is getting railroaded and it's complete bullshit. I know that I see a winner in Colt. If we let him get away we will once again regret but in some fucked up way, justify it that we're somehow the better for it. No respect for our QB out there? Did anyone else see the stuff the youngster has been put through so far? He was drafted here to learn the speed of the game and get better wasn't he?!! Well from lack of a veteran able to keep Colt on the bench to learn and no get killed, he had to go out and get killed. The kid has took his lumps out there for us. He has been around the block a time or two. He's took Pittsburgh's toughest "best-cheap" shot and he's not phased. Maybe Weeden can be that "Veteran" presence to somehow- backwards and as strange sounding as it sounds, mentor McCoy in some fashion? Hmm..

      I just say that Colt is still young and with the team getting better around him(something everyone seems to think "has to be" in order for Colt to succeed) maybe he gets another shot at it. I just hope he can find a way to "stick" around and to keep being a positive force in the lockerroom and in the culture of our franchise and fanbase. Colt is a smart kid, he's not dumbjock. If he still thinks he can do this then I say damnit he earned at least 1 chance to prove himself IMO. If he calculates and kinda notices that "my arm is weak" or "I'm not tall enough to be a franchise QB" or any other nonsense, I'm quite sure that he'd be the first one to fall back and embrace a backup QB position just like Seneca Wallace has done his whole career. But in that he's fighting and striving to keep Weeden back, that shows me something that cannot be measured in stats. I'd like to see what connections he made internally and externally during this off-season. Something tells me that some of you might not recognize the youngster wearing #12 and doing everything "right".

      I still believe in you Colt. In Jesus' name Brother.

      Colt sucks...

      Proud fan of the Buffalo Bills and Cleveland Browns.
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        Colt should be in the top 20 somewhere! This is Bullshit. McCoy is getting railroaded and it's complete bullshit. I know that I see a winner in Colt. If we let him get away we will once again regret but in some fucked up way, justify it that we're somehow the better for it. No respect for our QB out there? Did anyone else see the stuff the youngster has been put through so far? He was drafted here to learn the speed of the game and get better wasn't he?!! Well from lack of a veteran able to keep Colt on the bench to learn and no get killed, he had to go out and get killed. The kid has took his lumps out there for us. He has been around the block a time or two. He's took Pittsburgh's toughest "best-cheap" shot and he's not phased. Maybe Weeden can be that "Veteran" presence to somehow- backwards and as strange sounding as it sounds, mentor McCoy in some fashion? Hmm..

        I just say that Colt is still young and with the team getting better around him(something everyone seems to think "has to be" in order for Colt to succeed) maybe he gets another shot at it. I just hope he can find a way to "stick" around and to keep being a positive force in the lockerroom and in the culture of our franchise and fanbase. Colt is a smart kid, he's not dumbjock. If he still thinks he can do this then I say damnit he earned at least 1 chance to prove himself IMO. If he calculates and kinda notices that "my arm is weak" or "I'm not tall enough to be a franchise QB" or any other nonsense, I'm quite sure that he'd be the first one to fall back and embrace a backup QB position just like Seneca Wallace has done his whole career. But in that he's fighting and striving to keep Weeden back, that shows me something that cannot be measured in stats. I'd like to see what connections he made internally and externally during this off-season. Something tells me that some of you might not recognize the youngster wearing #12 and doing everything "right".

        I still believe in you Colt. In Jesus' name Brother.

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        @poeticg said:

        Colt should be in the top 20 somewhere! This is Bullshit. McCoy is getting railroaded and it's complete bullshit. I know that I see a winner in Colt. If we let him get away we will once again regret but in some fucked up way, justify it that we're somehow the better for it. No respect for our QB out there? Did anyone else see the stuff the youngster has been put through so far? He was drafted here to learn the speed of the game and get better wasn't he?!! Well from lack of a veteran able to keep Colt on the bench to learn and no get killed, he had to go out and get killed. The kid has took his lumps out there for us. He has been around the block a time or two. He's took Pittsburgh's toughest "best-cheap" shot and he's not phased. Maybe Weeden can be that "Veteran" presence to somehow- backwards and as strange sounding as it sounds, mentor McCoy in some fashion? Hmm..

        I just say that Colt is still young and with the team getting better around him(something everyone seems to think "has to be" in order for Colt to succeed) maybe he gets another shot at it. I just hope he can find a way to "stick" around and to keep being a positive force in the lockerroom and in the culture of our franchise and fanbase. Colt is a smart kid, he's not dumbjock. If he still thinks he can do this then I say damnit he earned at least 1 chance to prove himself IMO. If he calculates and kinda notices that "my arm is weak" or "I'm not tall enough to be a franchise QB" or any other nonsense, I'm quite sure that he'd be the first one to fall back and embrace a backup QB position just like Seneca Wallace has done his whole career. But in that he's fighting and striving to keep Weeden back, that shows me something that cannot be measured in stats. I'd like to see what connections he made internally and externally during this off-season. Something tells me that some of you might not recognize the youngster wearing #12 and doing everything "right".

        I still believe in you Colt. In Jesus' name Brother.

        Wow.

        He's 6'1 with a weak arm, no deep ball and limited accuracy.

        21 starts, we scored more than 20 points three times. Once last year. Twice in in 2010 thanks to David Bowen and our fleet-footed punter.

        He fucking sucks man, seriously, let's move on.

        Great guy, bad quarterback.

        Weedster is the shit. Get on board and be proud to be a Browns fan again instead of nobly sticking up for a shitty player that lost a lot but goes to church, tries hard and loves kids and dogs.

        It's embarrassing. Colt fucking sucks. I can say it now that we replaced him. Move the fuck on.

        Trent Richardson, Brandon Weeden and Dick Jauron's defense ARE the team now. Get rid of your old notions, sad excuses and posters of pitiful players that tried hard.

        We're going to win now. You might like it. Maybe you can still be facebook friends with Colt or something if that helps.

        Zombo

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          Colt should be in the top 20 somewhere! This is Bullshit. McCoy is getting railroaded and it's complete bullshit. I know that I see a winner in Colt. If we let him get away we will once again regret but in some fucked up way, justify it that we're somehow the better for it. No respect for our QB out there? Did anyone else see the stuff the youngster has been put through so far? He was drafted here to learn the speed of the game and get better wasn't he?!! Well from lack of a veteran able to keep Colt on the bench to learn and no get killed, he had to go out and get killed. The kid has took his lumps out there for us. He has been around the block a time or two. He's took Pittsburgh's toughest "best-cheap" shot and he's not phased. Maybe Weeden can be that "Veteran" presence to somehow- backwards and as strange sounding as it sounds, mentor McCoy in some fashion? Hmm..

          I just say that Colt is still young and with the team getting better around him(something everyone seems to think "has to be" in order for Colt to succeed) maybe he gets another shot at it. I just hope he can find a way to "stick" around and to keep being a positive force in the lockerroom and in the culture of our franchise and fanbase. Colt is a smart kid, he's not dumbjock. If he still thinks he can do this then I say damnit he earned at least 1 chance to prove himself IMO. If he calculates and kinda notices that "my arm is weak" or "I'm not tall enough to be a franchise QB" or any other nonsense, I'm quite sure that he'd be the first one to fall back and embrace a backup QB position just like Seneca Wallace has done his whole career. But in that he's fighting and striving to keep Weeden back, that shows me something that cannot be measured in stats. I'd like to see what connections he made internally and externally during this off-season. Something tells me that some of you might not recognize the youngster wearing #12 and doing everything "right".

          I still believe in you Colt. In Jesus' name Brother.

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          @poeticg said:

          Colt should be in the top 20 somewhere! This is Bullshit. McCoy is getting railroaded and it's complete bullshit. I know that I see a winner in Colt. If we let him get away we will once again regret but in some fucked up way, justify it that we're somehow the better for it. No respect for our QB out there? Did anyone else see the stuff the youngster has been put through so far? He was drafted here to learn the speed of the game and get better wasn't he?!! Well from lack of a veteran able to keep Colt on the bench to learn and no get killed, he had to go out and get killed. The kid has took his lumps out there for us. He has been around the block a time or two. He's took Pittsburgh's toughest "best-cheap" shot and he's not phased. Maybe Weeden can be that "Veteran" presence to somehow- backwards and as strange sounding as it sounds, mentor McCoy in some fashion? Hmm..

          I just say that Colt is still young and with the team getting better around him(something everyone seems to think "has to be" in order for Colt to succeed) maybe he gets another shot at it. I just hope he can find a way to "stick" around and to keep being a positive force in the lockerroom and in the culture of our franchise and fanbase. Colt is a smart kid, he's not dumbjock. If he still thinks he can do this then I say damnit he earned at least 1 chance to prove himself IMO. If he calculates and kinda notices that "my arm is weak" or "I'm not tall enough to be a franchise QB" or any other nonsense, I'm quite sure that he'd be the first one to fall back and embrace a backup QB position just like Seneca Wallace has done his whole career. But in that he's fighting and striving to keep Weeden back, that shows me something that cannot be measured in stats. I'd like to see what connections he made internally and externally during this off-season. Something tells me that some of you might not recognize the youngster wearing #12 and doing everything "right".

          I still believe in you Colt. In Jesus' name Brother.

          You're out of your fukcing mind.

          "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
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            @the-gipper said:

            Rivers has taken his team to a couple of AFC Championship games, I believe. He has been an outstanding QB, but had a bad year last year. I also believe he has been hampered by having a bad HC.

            He got his team to 1 AFC title game, He had a 14-2 team in 2006 and LOST in the divisional round with home field and the best AFC record.He had a 13-3 team in 2009 and lost in the divisional round in the same scenario.. His team has been in the playoofs 4 times and has a 3-4 record. And all those teams were supposed to better then they were. OVER RATED!!!!!!!!!!

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            @browns149 said:

            He got his team to 1 AFC title game, He had a 14-2 team in 2006 and LOST in the divisional round with home field and the best AFC record.He had a 13-3 team in 2009 and lost in the divisional round in the same scenario.. His team has been in the playoofs 4 times and has a 3-4 record. And all those teams were supposed to better then they were. OVER RATED!!!!!!!!!!

            Again, bad coach. Norv Turner has been a choker always.

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              @poeticg said:

              Colt should be in the top 20 somewhere! This is Bullshit. McCoy is getting railroaded and it's complete bullshit. I know that I see a winner in Colt. If we let him get away we will once again regret but in some fucked up way, justify it that we're somehow the better for it. No respect for our QB out there? Did anyone else see the stuff the youngster has been put through so far? He was drafted here to learn the speed of the game and get better wasn't he?!! Well from lack of a veteran able to keep Colt on the bench to learn and no get killed, he had to go out and get killed. The kid has took his lumps out there for us. He has been around the block a time or two. He's took Pittsburgh's toughest "best-cheap" shot and he's not phased. Maybe Weeden can be that "Veteran" presence to somehow- backwards and as strange sounding as it sounds, mentor McCoy in some fashion? Hmm..

              I just say that Colt is still young and with the team getting better around him(something everyone seems to think "has to be" in order for Colt to succeed) maybe he gets another shot at it. I just hope he can find a way to "stick" around and to keep being a positive force in the lockerroom and in the culture of our franchise and fanbase. Colt is a smart kid, he's not dumbjock. If he still thinks he can do this then I say damnit he earned at least 1 chance to prove himself IMO. If he calculates and kinda notices that "my arm is weak" or "I'm not tall enough to be a franchise QB" or any other nonsense, I'm quite sure that he'd be the first one to fall back and embrace a backup QB position just like Seneca Wallace has done his whole career. But in that he's fighting and striving to keep Weeden back, that shows me something that cannot be measured in stats. I'd like to see what connections he made internally and externally during this off-season. Something tells me that some of you might not recognize the youngster wearing #12 and doing everything "right".

              I still believe in you Colt. In Jesus' name Brother.

              Wow.

              He's 6'1 with a weak arm, no deep ball and limited accuracy.

              21 starts, we scored more than 20 points three times. Once last year. Twice in in 2010 thanks to David Bowen and our fleet-footed punter.

              He fucking sucks man, seriously, let's move on.

              Great guy, bad quarterback.

              Weedster is the shit. Get on board and be proud to be a Browns fan again instead of nobly sticking up for a shitty player that lost a lot but goes to church, tries hard and loves kids and dogs.

              It's embarrassing. Colt fucking sucks. I can say it now that we replaced him. Move the fuck on.

              Trent Richardson, Brandon Weeden and Dick Jauron's defense ARE the team now. Get rid of your old notions, sad excuses and posters of pitiful players that tried hard.

              We're going to win now. You might like it. Maybe you can still be facebook friends with Colt or something if that helps.

              Zombo

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              The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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              Zombo said:

              Wow.

              He's 6'1 with a weak arm, no deep ball and limited accuracy.

              I think he is taller. Nevertheless....People are going to gaga over a guy that is an exact duplicate of Colt: Matt Barkley.

              21 starts, we scored more than 20 points three times. Once last year. Twice in in 2010 thanks to David Bowen and our fleet-footed punter.

              He fucking sucks man, seriously, let's move on.

              Great guy, bad quarterback.

              Weedster is the shit. Get on board and be proud to be a Browns fan again instead of nobly sticking up for a shitty player that lost a lot but goes to church, tries hard and loves kids and dogs.

              It's embarrassing. Colt fucking sucks. I can say it now that we replaced him. Move the fuck on.

              Trent Richardson, Brandon Weeden and Dick Jauron's defense ARE the team now. Get rid of your old notions, sad excuses and posters of pitiful players that tried hard.

              We're going to win now. You might like it. Maybe you can still be facebook friends with Colt or something if that helps.

              One question: BW3 is going to be playing in the big leagues now, and, one thing about him that most agree on is that he is statuesque, i.e. immobile. If he unfortunatly gets hammered into submission and is going to be out for a bit...or a while, who you gonna call to back him up?

              Seneca is worse than Colt.

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                I think he is taller

                He's not.

                Seneca is worse than Colt.

                At what?

                Wallace 452 764 4,808 59.2 6.29 31 18 81.3

                McCoy 400 685 4,309 58.4 6.29 20 20 74.5

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                  I think he is taller

                  He's not.

                  Seneca is worse than Colt.

                  At what?

                  Wallace 452 764 4,808 59.2 6.29 31 18 81.3

                  McCoy 400 685 4,309 58.4 6.29 20 20 74.5

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                  The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                  Zombo said:

                  He's not.

                  OK, I see the Browns roster does list him at 6'1"....If that is really a factor, Wallace is listed at only 5'11".

                  At what? Playing quarterback. Not sure what those numbers are....but I will trust my eyes.

                  Wallace 452 764 4,808 59.2 6.29 31 18 81.3

                  McCoy 400 685 4,309 58.4 6.29 20 20 74.5

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                    Playing quarterback. Not sure what those numbers are....but I will trust my eyes.

                    Your eyes thought Colt McCoy was taller than 6'1.

                    Those numbers are career completions, attempts, yards, completion pct. yards per att., touchdowns, interceptions and quarterback rating.

                    They all favor Wallace.

                    I don't mind an athletic veteran backup that is 5'11.

                    I can't stomach a weak armed, slow thinking starter that is 6'1.

                    If you think McCoy would be a more suitable backup than Wallace you are entitled to your opinion.

                    I don't think McCoy adds much value to the equation at all. I keep the athletic veteran that has been in the system forever to backup the Weedster and develop a third young guy (with a real arm) to assume the backup mantle.

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                      fully agree Z. QB's that cant throw arent really QB's....they're accountants and car salemen.

                      this entire offseason has been funny.....many colt loyalists throwing the other 10 members of the O under the bus for anything less than perfect play, while ignoring just how less than adequate colt was. its not about logic bro...just emotion. its everywhere.....arguments for colt are not "he's a great QB", rather its "he's got heart and he's young".

                      unfortunately....those traits dont win football games. an NFL arm, however, does.

                      colt sucks....

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                        Playing quarterback. Not sure what those numbers are....but I will trust my eyes.

                        Your eyes thought Colt McCoy was taller than 6'1.

                        Those numbers are career completions, attempts, yards, completion pct. yards per att., touchdowns, interceptions and quarterback rating.

                        They all favor Wallace.

                        I don't mind an athletic veteran backup that is 5'11.

                        I can't stomach a weak armed, slow thinking starter that is 6'1.

                        If you think McCoy would be a more suitable backup than Wallace you are entitled to your opinion.

                        I don't think McCoy adds much value to the equation at all. I keep the athletic veteran that has been in the system forever to backup the Weedster and develop a third young guy (with a real arm) to assume the backup mantle.

                        Zombo

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                        The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                        Zombo said:

                        Your eyes thought Colt McCoy was taller than 6'1.

                        Those numbers are career completions, attempts, yards, completion pct. yards per att., touchdowns, interceptions and quarterback rating.

                        They all favor Wallace.

                        Wallace has been in the league 10 years, McCoy 2. In 2 years McCoy accomplished what Wallace did in 10.

                        I don't mind an athletic veteran backup that is 5'11.

                        I can't stomach a weak armed, slow thinking starter that is 6'1.

                        I think Wallace has a millisecond more speed than MCoy, beyond that I don't see anything in Wallace that says he has a stronger arm or is faster thinking than McCoy.

                        In essence, he has all the attributes of McCoy, execept he is a full 2 inches shorter.

                        If you think McCoy would be a more suitable backup than Wallace you are entitled to your opinion.

                        Wallace may....or should have the mindset that tells him that he is a backup. McCoy may not yet have that mindset. That is perhaps the only thing Wallace has....a resignation to the fact that he is a scrub....that McCoy may not yet have.

                        I don't think McCoy adds much value to the equation at all. I keep the athletic veteran that has been in the system forever to backup the Weedster and develop a third young guy (with a real arm) to assume the backup mantle.

                        I think Wallace adds less value to the equation, from a football standpoint, paritularly when added to his outlook. He detracts a lot in my opinion from the attitude standpoint.

                        I understand that it might be politically correct for Colt to not be here, having been pushed aside as a starter by the guy he must now backup.

                        As far as I am concerned if we are to get rid of one, we should get rid of both. In that event I think we need a quality veteran backup (and that ain't Wallace) AND another younger guy to play 3rd string.

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                          fully agree Z. QB's that cant throw arent really QB's....they're accountants and car salemen.

                          this entire offseason has been funny.....many colt loyalists throwing the other 10 members of the O under the bus for anything less than perfect play, while ignoring just how less than adequate colt was. its not about logic bro...just emotion. its everywhere.....arguments for colt are not "he's a great QB", rather its "he's got heart and he's young".

                          unfortunately....those traits dont win football games. an NFL arm, however, does.

                          colt sucks....

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                          The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                          @choco said:

                          fully agree Z. QB's that cant throw arent really QB's....they're accountants and car salemen.

                          this entire offseason has been funny.....many colt loyalists throwing the other 10 members of the O under the bus for anything less than perfect play, while ignoring just how less than adequate colt was. its not about logic bro...just emotion. its everywhere.....arguments for colt are not "he's a great QB", rather its "he's got heart and he's young".

                          unfortunately....those traits dont win football games. an NFL arm, however, does.

                          colt sucks....

                          ...and Wallace sucks worse...or is that he sucks more? TF.

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                            There is no doubt that Wallace is a better runner than McCoy and has a stronger arm. Those are absolutes.

                            I don't think either are particularily swift-thinking quarterbacks.

                            They are both backup fodder, but Wallace is the better player.

                            Zombo

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                              I would just add that Wallace is in his early 30s and Colt is just entering his prime. In 2 seasons Colt will be far superior to Wallace in every tangible and intangibe catergory. Colt wins this argument hands down.

                              ... I get it, for The Weed to work out he must start early and accel early. He's got a lot of ground to make up from other rookies starting in their early 20s. He has some advantages though that make him intriguing however, such as his early career in Baseball, his strong arm and ability to knock clay pigeons out of the air! I like A lot about Weeden. When we talked about him in the offseason I dissed him for his age. I then went on to watch Grudens QB Camp featuring him and then to watch some film as well. I often found myself feeling that Blackmon was the one making the plays but he can't make the plays if the QB doesn't get him the ball. So that's some credit to him there. He got his playmakers the ball and allowed them to do their thing. I hope he does the same in Cleveland.

                              None the less, I apoligized for knocking the guy and wished him well. That is what I wish him now but I still haven't given up on Colt, yet.

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                                Ron Jaworski is doing his Top 30 NFL QBs. I believe the Final List will look like this:

                                1. Rodgers

                                2. Brees

                                3. Brady

                                4. P. Manning

                                5. E. Manning

                                6. Roethlisberger

                                7. Rivers

                                8. Cutler

                                9. Flacco

                                10. Romo

                                11. Ryan

                                12. Vick

                                13. Schaub

                                14. Stafford

                                15. Newton

                                16. Alex Smith

                                17. Freema

                                18. Hasselback

                                19. Dalton

                                20. Bradford

                                21. Carson Palmer

                                22. Cassell

                                23. Sanchez

                                24. Fitzpatrick

                                25. Kolb

                                26. Matt Moore

                                27. Flynn

                                28. Ponder

                                29. Gabbert

                                30. Tebow

                                The question is: who are overrated/underrated in your opinion?

                                Note: The Colts/Browns/Redskins did not have a QB ranked because it is believed that all three teams will have a rookie at starting QB. The Jets got 2 QBs probably because of A. the fact that Tebow was a starter last year and B. the fact that they are Tebow suckasses and just want to play up his hype.

                                (Ghoolie: note, with these past 2 posts I am trying to get some football discussion going)

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                                @the-gipper said:

                                Ron Jaworski is doing his Top 30 NFL QBs. I believe the Final List will look like this:

                                1. Brees

                                2. Brady

                                3. Rodgers

                                4. E. Manning

                                5. Roethlisberger

                                6. P. Manning

                                7. Rivers

                                8. Vick

                                9. Flacco

                                10. Romo

                                11. Ryan

                                12. Cutler

                                13. Schaub

                                14. Stafford

                                15. Newton

                                16. Alex Smith

                                17. Freeman

                                18. Fitzpatrick

                                19. Dalton

                                20. Bradford

                                21. Carson Palmer

                                22. Cassell

                                23. Sanchez

                                24. HasselBack

                                25. Kolb

                                26. Matt Moore

                                27. Flynn

                                28. Ponder

                                29. Gabbert

                                30. Tebow

                                The question is: who are overrated/underrated in your opinion?

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                                1. Whoever thinks brees isn't number one right now can just not post anymore, HE BROKE THE ALL TIME FUCKING RECORDS last year hey u remember Marino? oh ya he past em to be number 1 on the list in HISTORY and your trying to tell me he isn't the best QB in the league... heres a crackpipe smoke on it little more.

                                2. Brady's History speaks for itself he is a monster season in and out.

                                3. Rodgers lands here currently in the future he has the ability to surpass the others but TODAY he is number 3.

                                4. Eli said he was a Dawg and got punished in the media... he wins the superbowl the same year for his 2nd ring and shut up the critics if he stays on course and wins another one he would be on a whole different category of best.

                                5. Big Ben does what he does it might be ugly but he is a baller i can't deny him his due.

                                Fitzpatrick was slighted and rated way too low.

                                In Cleveland failure is an artform.
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                                  There is no doubt that Wallace is a better runner than McCoy and has a stronger arm. Those are absolutes.

                                  I don't think either are particularily swift-thinking quarterbacks.

                                  They are both backup fodder, but Wallace is the better player.

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                                  Zombo said:

                                  There is no doubt that Wallace is a better runner than McCoy and has a stronger arm. Those are absolutes.

                                  I don't think they are absolutes. Neither of your propositions are absolutes.

                                  I don't think either are particularily swift-thinking quarterbacks.

                                  They are both backup fodder, but Wallace is the better player.

                                  I would take Colt over Wallace any day, every day.

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                                    OK, you are officially the only person on earth that thinks Colt McCoy has a stronger arm than Seneca Wallace. Including Colt's mom. Nothing wrong with that.

                                    As for the running thing ... remember the time Colt did this?

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                                      OK, you are officially the only person on earth that thinks Colt McCoy has a stronger arm than Seneca Wallace. Including Colt's mom. Nothing wrong with that.

                                      As for the running thing ... remember the time Colt did this?

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                                      Zombo said:

                                      OK, you are officially the only person on earth that thinks Colt McCoy has a stronger arm than Seneca Wallace. Including Colt's mom. Nothing wrong with that.

                                      As for the running thing ... remember the time Colt did this?

                                      Zombo

                                      McCoy, isn't too bad at running either Z. I am happy with Weeden as starting QB, I just think McCoy would fill the backup role better if Weeden went down, and so long as he is happy with knowing that is his role, I would like to see Wallace put out to pasture.

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                                        OK, you are officially the only person on earth that thinks Colt McCoy has a stronger arm than Seneca Wallace. Including Colt's mom. Nothing wrong with that.

                                        As for the running thing ... remember the time Colt did this?

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                                        Zombo said:

                                        OK, you are officially the only person on earth that thinks Colt McCoy has a stronger arm than Seneca Wallace. Including Colt's mom. Nothing wrong with that.

                                        Ryan Leaf, Jamarcus Russell, etc. etc. had bazooka arms. It didn't make them good QBs.

                                        I am not sure how you would measure arm strength between Wallace and McCoy. Suffice it to say I would still rather have McCoy as my QB than Wallace.

                                        But...yet again, I repeat my position: I would at this point advocate that neither be a member of the Cleveland Browns. Bring in Donovan McNabb to be a backup, then bring in a young 3rd string QB....or pick up Troy Smith, whatever

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                                          brees is rated too high. yes he's tough and talented BUT let's see him play in our division in december.

                                          i'd like to see what his numbers are playing outside instead on inside that cushy little dome of his. no wind effect, no snow or rain.....GTFO.

                                          my top five would be

                                          1.rodgers

                                          2. brady

                                          3. eli manning

                                          4. roethlisberger

                                          5. brees

                                          i would have put peyton manning ahead of brees his health is a big ? mark for me.

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                                          @miktoxic said:

                                          brees is rated too high. yes he's tough and talented BUT let's see him play in our division in december.

                                          i'd like to see what his numbers are playing outside instead on inside that cushy little dome of his. no wind effect, no snow or rain.....GTFO.

                                          my top five would be

                                          1.rodgers

                                          2. brady

                                          3. eli manning

                                          4. roethlisberger

                                          5. brees

                                          i would have put peyton manning ahead of brees his health is a big ? mark for me.

                                          I would rank as follows

                                          1,2 Brady and Brees interchangeable

                                          3. Rogers

                                          4 Roethlisberger

                                          Eli is too high at five and Peyton is too risky

                                          Culter should be about 20 he can blow a big game every time

                                          Offense Wins.......Franchise QB's are the key.............Defense keeps you in the game.........Go Buckeyes
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