Think The Browns Finally Got Their Div Opponents' Attention?
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Garfleets sucks and so do the Steelers, Ravens, and Bengals.
Get the hell of our board punk bitch.
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Until we start winning games we will get no one's attention or respect.
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I cannot remember a single season like this offseason ever. At no point since Belichick was coach did we actually address all of the issues on any side of the ball.
WR? QB? RB? RT? Check, check, check, and check. True, Lauvao and Pinkston would barely start for Ohio State, so I guess there's still room for improvement there.
DL? Half a check. DT? Check-plus. We might not be "better" but we're much deeper. LB? Check.
The only place on the entire team we didn't definitively improve is the defensive secondary, and that's really not surprising since we spent last year's first round on that area.
We're a better team, but we still need to produce before anyone actually cares. I'm of the cautious opinion that the Browns will be a significantly better team on both O and D but that won't reflect in the W-L record until midseason.
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
I was watching Trent Richardson on the news. He was working with kids at a football camp. Damn, I respect this guy.. and all the Browns - character matters.
Richardson was saying that the Browns are going to win, play hard... these guys have a GREAT attitude.
I think the Browns will be impressing other teams right out of the gate, in the regular season. I think the first regular season game folks are going to be
stunned at the difference a viable, complete offense will make. No, they won't win all their games. But they are going to be winning some great games,
and I don't think a winning season is ridiculous. I expect it. For the first time, the weaknesses have been seen by the BROWNS, and they really
went after fixing those. Should be a hell of a lot of fun. Can't freakin wait.
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i can't wait for the season to start either, but not as optimistic. sure we addressed some area of needs but also missed on some areas. LB for sure. way too many big name LBs available in the draft to whiff and draft some guy who'll be lucky to make the special teams. even with the additions in key areas and have to remember that they are rookies.
like someone else posted winning is the only thing that will get the attention of our opponents.
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Its all about the wins and consistently doing it. At this point in the offseason every fan of their team thinks their team has greatly improved and can make the playoffs.
I love the enthusiasm and optimism but I'm not all on board until these guys start to play. They're rookies and we have no idea how this will pan out. Hope for the best...
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I dare say that our divisional rivals have been taking more time to think about what our off season moves mean to them this season - but I also dare say they are not crapping their pants just yet.
On defense they will be aiming to unsettle our new WRs, I'd be shouting in Greg Little's ear all game about how many drops he's going to make this game, I'd be pressing Gordon / benjamin (if they start) on every route, piling on the pressure around the right side of the line testing Schwartz out
However, they will have to give respect to Richardson so some of that coverage pressure on the Wideouts will suffer
On offense I'd be developing schemes that stack plays behind DL to open up our LB softness and safety play.
however, heart is what they will underestimate - and long may that continue because i think we come out foaming at the mouth from September 9th.
Our divisional rivals will need to adjust once we smack Phillie in the gut on September 9th - but if was preparing t=for the opener I'd do the above.
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i can assure you that no one on the bungles, ratbirds, or Steelers staff is losing even a wink of sleep on the browns or their "improvements".
i can assure you that no one on the bungles, ratbirds, or Steelers staff is losing even a wink of sleep on the browns or their "improvements".
Perhaps, but, they may end up getting some extra sleep when the Browns go lights out on them
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I cannot remember a single season like this offseason ever. At no point since Belichick was coach did we actually address all of the issues on any side of the ball.
WR? QB? RB? RT? Check, check, check, and check. True, Lauvao and Pinkston would barely start for Ohio State, so I guess there's still room for improvement there.
DL? Half a check. DT? Check-plus. We might not be "better" but we're much deeper. LB? Check.
The only place on the entire team we didn't definitively improve is the defensive secondary, and that's really not surprising since we spent last year's first round on that area.
We're a better team, but we still need to produce before anyone actually cares. I'm of the cautious opinion that the Browns will be a significantly better team on both O and D but that won't reflect in the W-L record until midseason.
I cannot remember a single season like this offseason ever. At no point since Belichick was coach did we actually address all of the issues on any side of the ball.
WR? QB? RB? RT? Check, check, check, and check. True, Lauvao and Pinkston would barely start for Ohio State, so I guess there's still room for improvement there.
Actually, I think Pinkston and Lauvao will turn out better than Ohio State's top OL in this last draft: Mike Adams.
DL? Half a check. DT? Check-plus. We might not be "better" but we're much deeper. LB? Check.
The only place on the entire team we didn't definitively improve is the defensive secondary, and that's really not surprising since we spent last year's first round on that area.
We're a better team, but we still need to produce before anyone actually cares. I'm of the cautious opinion that the Browns will be a significantly better team on both O and D but that won't reflect in the W-L record until midseason.
The Browns lost like 5-6 games by less than a TD last year. I am hoping that the infusion of offensive talent will make up that gap. But, of course, as you say, it remains to be seen.
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We have some pretty good talent in key positions coming from the draft this year. Thats cool in one way, in the respect that they haven't learned how to lose yet. Maybe the added enthusiasm (if it exists in them) will help tighten a locker room that hasn't had an on the field leader in quite some time. But I can assure that not one team in the league gives a shit about us.
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Week Date Kickoff (ET) Opponent Results Game site TV NFL.com
recap
Final score Team record
1 September 11 1:00 p.m. Cincinnati Bengals L 17β27 0β1 Cleveland Browns Stadium CBS Recap
2 September 18 1:00 p.m. at Indianapolis Colts W 27β19 1β1 Lucas Oil Stadium CBS Recap
3 September 25 1:00 p.m. Miami Dolphins W 17β16 2β1 Cleveland Browns Stadium CBS Recap
4 October 2 1:00 p.m. Tennessee Titans L 13β31 2β2 Cleveland Browns Stadium CBS Recap
5 Bye
6 October 16 4:05 p.m. at Oakland Raiders L 17β24 2β3 O.co Coliseum CBS Recap
7 October 23 1:00 p.m. Seattle Seahawks W 6β3 3β3 Cleveland Browns Stadium Fox Recap
8 October 30 4:15 p.m. at San Francisco 49ers L 10β20 3β4 Candlestick Park CBS Recap
9 November 6 1:00 p.m. at Houston Texans L 12β30 3β5 Reliant Stadium CBS Recap
10 November 13 1:00 p.m. St. Louis Rams L 12β13 3β6 Cleveland Browns Stadium Fox Recap
11 November 20 1:00 p.m. Jacksonville Jaguars W 14β10 4β6 Cleveland Browns Stadium CBS Recap
12 November 27 1:00 p.m. at Cincinnati Bengals L 20β23 4β7 Paul Brown Stadium CBS Recap
13 December 4 4:05 p.m.[45] Baltimore Ravens L 10β24 4β8 Cleveland Browns Stadium CBS Recap
14 December 8 8:20 p.m. at Pittsburgh Steelers L 3β14 4β9 Heinz Field NFLN Recap
15 December 18 4:15 p.m. at Arizona Cardinals L 17β20 (OT) 4β10 University of Phoenix Stadium CBS Recap
16 December 24 1:00 p.m. at Baltimore Ravens L 14β20 4β11 M&T Bank Stadium CBS Recap
17 January 1 4:15 p.m.[46] Pittsburgh Steelers L 9β13 4β12 Cleveland Browns Stadium CBS Recap
LEGEND:
Notice the games the Browns lost by less than a TD, highlighted. Will the additions to the offense now allow them to make up those differences? Note that many of those were against division opponents. Can the gap be closing?
(yes, I also know they won games by narrow margins as well.)
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Week Date Kickoff (ET) Opponent Results Game site TV NFL.com
recap
Final score Team record
1 September 11 1:00 p.m. Cincinnati Bengals L 17β27 0β1 Cleveland Browns Stadium CBS Recap
2 September 18 1:00 p.m. at Indianapolis Colts W 27β19 1β1 Lucas Oil Stadium CBS Recap
3 September 25 1:00 p.m. Miami Dolphins W 17β16 2β1 Cleveland Browns Stadium CBS Recap
4 October 2 1:00 p.m. Tennessee Titans L 13β31 2β2 Cleveland Browns Stadium CBS Recap
5 Bye
6 October 16 4:05 p.m. at Oakland Raiders L 17β24 2β3 O.co Coliseum CBS Recap
7 October 23 1:00 p.m. Seattle Seahawks W 6β3 3β3 Cleveland Browns Stadium Fox Recap
8 October 30 4:15 p.m. at San Francisco 49ers L 10β20 3β4 Candlestick Park CBS Recap
9 November 6 1:00 p.m. at Houston Texans L 12β30 3β5 Reliant Stadium CBS Recap
10 November 13 1:00 p.m. St. Louis Rams L 12β13 3β6 Cleveland Browns Stadium Fox Recap
11 November 20 1:00 p.m. Jacksonville Jaguars W 14β10 4β6 Cleveland Browns Stadium CBS Recap
12 November 27 1:00 p.m. at Cincinnati Bengals L 20β23 4β7 Paul Brown Stadium CBS Recap
13 December 4 4:05 p.m.[45] Baltimore Ravens L 10β24 4β8 Cleveland Browns Stadium CBS Recap
14 December 8 8:20 p.m. at Pittsburgh Steelers L 3β14 4β9 Heinz Field NFLN Recap
15 December 18 4:15 p.m. at Arizona Cardinals L 17β20 (OT) 4β10 University of Phoenix Stadium CBS Recap
16 December 24 1:00 p.m. at Baltimore Ravens L 14β20 4β11 M&T Bank Stadium CBS Recap
17 January 1 4:15 p.m.[46] Pittsburgh Steelers L 9β13 4β12 Cleveland Browns Stadium CBS Recap
LEGEND:
Notice the games the Browns lost by less than a TD, highlighted. Will the additions to the offense now allow them to make up those differences? Note that many of those were against division opponents. Can the gap be closing?
(yes, I also know they won games by narrow margins as well.)
Notice the games the Browns lost by less than a TD, highlighted. Will the additions to the offense now allow them to make up those differences? Note that many of those were against division opponents. Can the gap be closing?
(yes, I also know they won games by narrow margins as well.)
Short answer, NO. In answer to the original question (thread title), NO. The Browns are projected to be last in the division, and barring a miracle (for Cleveland) that's where the Browns will end up. All your skill positions on offense are GREEN. They will make mistakes, lots of mistakes. Those mistakes will cost you games.
The hope for the Browns in 2012 is not a play-off run, the hope is that your skill players will not be GREEN in 2013. Weeden doesn't have a long NFL career projection, he needs to go from rookie to grizzled veteran by 2013. He doesn't have an all-star cast around him, he has rookies and second year players. He doesn't have a coach with an established offensive system in place.
Your defense should be able to keep your team in games, I'm not sure your offense can. Once a team gets a lead, your opponents will run the ball and drain the clock. A more telling stat based on last years performance is the points opposing teams put up. You'll probably need to score more than 14-17 points to win games and there aren't that many teams you've held to under 14 points. The Steelers were held in check by the Browns last year mainly because of the injury they applied to Ben Roethlisberger.
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Notice the games the Browns lost by less than a TD, highlighted. Will the additions to the offense now allow them to make up those differences? Note that many of those were against division opponents. Can the gap be closing?
(yes, I also know they won games by narrow margins as well.)
Short answer, NO. In answer to the original question (thread title), NO. The Browns are projected to be last in the division, and barring a miracle (for Cleveland) that's where the Browns will end up. All your skill positions on offense are GREEN. They will make mistakes, lots of mistakes. Those mistakes will cost you games.
The hope for the Browns in 2012 is not a play-off run, the hope is that your skill players will not be GREEN in 2013. Weeden doesn't have a long NFL career projection, he needs to go from rookie to grizzled veteran by 2013. He doesn't have an all-star cast around him, he has rookies and second year players. He doesn't have a coach with an established offensive system in place.
Your defense should be able to keep your team in games, I'm not sure your offense can. Once a team gets a lead, your opponents will run the ball and drain the clock. A more telling stat based on last years performance is the points opposing teams put up. You'll probably need to score more than 14-17 points to win games and there aren't that many teams you've held to under 14 points. The Steelers were held in check by the Browns last year mainly because of the injury they applied to Ben Roethlisberger.
Endymion said:
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Thanks for your input. It was sorely needed.
Zombo
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Notice the games the Browns lost by less than a TD, highlighted. Will the additions to the offense now allow them to make up those differences? Note that many of those were against division opponents. Can the gap be closing?
(yes, I also know they won games by narrow margins as well.)
Short answer, NO. In answer to the original question (thread title), NO. The Browns are projected to be last in the division, and barring a miracle (for Cleveland) that's where the Browns will end up. All your skill positions on offense are GREEN. They will make mistakes, lots of mistakes. Those mistakes will cost you games.
The hope for the Browns in 2012 is not a play-off run, the hope is that your skill players will not be GREEN in 2013. Weeden doesn't have a long NFL career projection, he needs to go from rookie to grizzled veteran by 2013. He doesn't have an all-star cast around him, he has rookies and second year players. He doesn't have a coach with an established offensive system in place.
Your defense should be able to keep your team in games, I'm not sure your offense can. Once a team gets a lead, your opponents will run the ball and drain the clock. A more telling stat based on last years performance is the points opposing teams put up. You'll probably need to score more than 14-17 points to win games and there aren't that many teams you've held to under 14 points. The Steelers were held in check by the Browns last year mainly because of the injury they applied to Ben Roethlisberger.
Endymion said:
Short answer, NO. In answer to the original question (thread title), NO. The Browns are projected to be last in the division, and barring a miracle (for Cleveland) that's where the Browns will end up. All your skill positions on offense are GREEN. They will make mistakes, lots of mistakes. Those mistakes will cost you games.
The hope for the Browns in 2012 is not a play-off run, the hope is that your skill players will not be GREEN in 2013. Weeden doesn't have a long NFL career projection, he needs to go from rookie to grizzled veteran by 2013. He doesn't have an all-star cast around him, he has rookies and second year players. He doesn't have a coach with an established offensive system in place.
Your defense should be able to keep your team in games, I'm not sure your offense can. Once a team gets a lead, your opponents will run the ball and drain the clock. A more telling stat based on last years performance is the points opposing teams put up. You'll probably need to score more than 14-17 points to win games and there aren't that many teams you've held to under 14 points. The Steelers were held in check by the Browns last year mainly because of the injury they applied to Ben Roethlisberger.
Well, you are describing last year's team to a T. Yes, the Browns will indeed be "Green" this year, and yes, the belief is that they must have a year to mature (even Weeden). And yes, the offensive system in place by this coach is highly questionable.
But: I am not so worried about Weeden's longevity. Only 4 QBs in Browns history have had as much as 5 years as the primary starter. (OG, Ryan, Sipe, Kosar). We will take 5 years of a good QB instead of a string of 1-2 years with bad QBs.
The issue...as my post pointed out, is whether or not this offense with all this green fodder on it can still eke out perhaps as much as an extra FG...or TD per game. With an extra FG in some games the record last year could have been 7-9. With an extra TD it could have been 8-8 or 9-7.
As for controlling BR, they have done that before in games in which he was not hurt. In the game earlier in the year the Steelers scored all of 14 points with BR healthy. And they scored 13 points with him hurt.
As always, it is the Steelers defense that pulls that team through.
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Endymion said:
Short answer, NO. In answer to the original question (thread title), NO. The Browns are projected to be last in the division, and barring a miracle (for Cleveland) that's where the Browns will end up. All your skill positions on offense are GREEN. They will make mistakes, lots of mistakes. Those mistakes will cost you games.
The hope for the Browns in 2012 is not a play-off run, the hope is that your skill players will not be GREEN in 2013. Weeden doesn't have a long NFL career projection, he needs to go from rookie to grizzled veteran by 2013. He doesn't have an all-star cast around him, he has rookies and second year players. He doesn't have a coach with an established offensive system in place.
Your defense should be able to keep your team in games, I'm not sure your offense can. Once a team gets a lead, your opponents will run the ball and drain the clock. A more telling stat based on last years performance is the points opposing teams put up. You'll probably need to score more than 14-17 points to win games and there aren't that many teams you've held to under 14 points. The Steelers were held in check by the Browns last year mainly because of the injury they applied to Ben Roethlisberger.
Well, you are describing last year's team to a T. Yes, the Browns will indeed be "Green" this year, and yes, the belief is that they must have a year to mature (even Weeden). And yes, the offensive system in place by this coach is highly questionable.
But: I am not so worried about Weeden's longevity. Only 4 QBs in Browns history have had as much as 5 years as the primary starter. (OG, Ryan, Sipe, Kosar). We will take 5 years of a good QB instead of a string of 1-2 years with bad QBs.
The issue...as my post pointed out, is whether or not this offense with all this green fodder on it can still eke out perhaps as much as an extra FG...or TD per game. With an extra FG in some games the record last year could have been 7-9. With an extra TD it could have been 8-8 or 9-7.
As for controlling BR, they have done that before in games in which he was not hurt. In the game earlier in the year the Steelers scored all of 14 points with BR healthy. And they scored 13 points with him hurt.
As always, it is the Steelers defense that pulls that team through.
The issue...as my post pointed out, is whether or not this offense with all this green fodder on it can still eke out perhaps as much as an extra FG...or TD per game. With an extra FG in some games the record last year could have been 7-9. With an extra TD it could have been 8-8 or 9-7.
As for controlling BR, they have done that before in games in which he was not hurt. In the game earlier in the year the Steelers scored all of 14 points with BR healthy. And they scored 13 points with him hurt. As always, it is the Steelers defense that pulls that team through.
Ben was hurt in the first meeting of our two teams (sometime around the end of 1st/early 2nd quarter). He really didn't have a good game afterwards until the Denver play-offs. Before he got hurt he was moving the ball effectively against the Browns defense. The Steeler defense should be between the top 5-10 this year, but it will take a bit of a hit versus 2011. If the offense doesn't improve to top 10 status the Steelers probably aren't making the play-offs.
I feel that your team's offense will average between 14 and 17 offensive points per game with Weeden at the helm for the 2012, this is up from your offensive average in 2011 (of roughly 13.5). Weeden and company will probably look horrible the 1st four games of the season. Will your coach whether that storm or revert to McCoy? If he goes McCoy, any hope for the season is really lost and he might be jeopardizing 2013 as well. Weeden's your franchise QB, and his style is not McCoy's style. You have to ride the Weeden horse and he won't be developing effectively behind McCoy.
It's hard to look at last year's scores as any definitive guide to how this year scores will be. Averages and actual scores can vary wildy. The Browns are essentially making a major offensive overhaul, so you can't really expect the offensive to put up "better" numbers than last year. You can hope they progressively improve through-out the year. The Browns defense hasn't changed much, so you can expect it to be no worse than last year. Roughly, the Browns gave up 19 points per game defensively in 2011.
So let's say under Weeden in 2012 you average 15.5 points per game offensively and give up 18 points per game defensively. Your games may be close or wildly lopsided, despite these improvements I'm suggesting. You are still giving up more points than you are earning, which means the Browns will be losing games more often than not. Until your offense gets to 21 points per game or more, you can't dream of play-offs/owning the division. The goal for next season is to get Weeden to average 21 or more points per game in the last 4-6 games of the season. Period. Regardless of actual wins or losses, if Weeden gets to that average as I've stated, the Browns will not be bottom feeders in the AFCN in 2013.
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