Think The Browns Finally Got Their Div Opponents' Attention?
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I dare say that our divisional rivals have been taking more time to think about what our off season moves mean to them this season - but I also dare say they are not crapping their pants just yet.
On defense they will be aiming to unsettle our new WRs, I'd be shouting in Greg Little's ear all game about how many drops he's going to make this game, I'd be pressing Gordon / benjamin (if they start) on every route, piling on the pressure around the right side of the line testing Schwartz out
However, they will have to give respect to Richardson so some of that coverage pressure on the Wideouts will suffer
On offense I'd be developing schemes that stack plays behind DL to open up our LB softness and safety play.
however, heart is what they will underestimate - and long may that continue because i think we come out foaming at the mouth from September 9th.
Our divisional rivals will need to adjust once we smack Phillie in the gut on September 9th - but if was preparing t=for the opener I'd do the above.
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i can assure you that no one on the bungles, ratbirds, or Steelers staff is losing even a wink of sleep on the browns or their "improvements".
i can assure you that no one on the bungles, ratbirds, or Steelers staff is losing even a wink of sleep on the browns or their "improvements".
Perhaps, but, they may end up getting some extra sleep when the Browns go lights out on them
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I cannot remember a single season like this offseason ever. At no point since Belichick was coach did we actually address all of the issues on any side of the ball.
WR? QB? RB? RT? Check, check, check, and check. True, Lauvao and Pinkston would barely start for Ohio State, so I guess there's still room for improvement there.
DL? Half a check. DT? Check-plus. We might not be "better" but we're much deeper. LB? Check.
The only place on the entire team we didn't definitively improve is the defensive secondary, and that's really not surprising since we spent last year's first round on that area.
We're a better team, but we still need to produce before anyone actually cares. I'm of the cautious opinion that the Browns will be a significantly better team on both O and D but that won't reflect in the W-L record until midseason.
I cannot remember a single season like this offseason ever. At no point since Belichick was coach did we actually address all of the issues on any side of the ball.
WR? QB? RB? RT? Check, check, check, and check. True, Lauvao and Pinkston would barely start for Ohio State, so I guess there's still room for improvement there.
Actually, I think Pinkston and Lauvao will turn out better than Ohio State's top OL in this last draft: Mike Adams.
DL? Half a check. DT? Check-plus. We might not be "better" but we're much deeper. LB? Check.
The only place on the entire team we didn't definitively improve is the defensive secondary, and that's really not surprising since we spent last year's first round on that area.
We're a better team, but we still need to produce before anyone actually cares. I'm of the cautious opinion that the Browns will be a significantly better team on both O and D but that won't reflect in the W-L record until midseason.
The Browns lost like 5-6 games by less than a TD last year. I am hoping that the infusion of offensive talent will make up that gap. But, of course, as you say, it remains to be seen.
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We have some pretty good talent in key positions coming from the draft this year. Thats cool in one way, in the respect that they haven't learned how to lose yet. Maybe the added enthusiasm (if it exists in them) will help tighten a locker room that hasn't had an on the field leader in quite some time. But I can assure that not one team in the league gives a shit about us.
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Week Date Kickoff (ET) Opponent Results Game site TV NFL.com
recap
Final score Team record
1 September 11 1:00 p.m. Cincinnati Bengals L 17β27 0β1 Cleveland Browns Stadium CBS Recap
2 September 18 1:00 p.m. at Indianapolis Colts W 27β19 1β1 Lucas Oil Stadium CBS Recap
3 September 25 1:00 p.m. Miami Dolphins W 17β16 2β1 Cleveland Browns Stadium CBS Recap
4 October 2 1:00 p.m. Tennessee Titans L 13β31 2β2 Cleveland Browns Stadium CBS Recap
5 Bye
6 October 16 4:05 p.m. at Oakland Raiders L 17β24 2β3 O.co Coliseum CBS Recap
7 October 23 1:00 p.m. Seattle Seahawks W 6β3 3β3 Cleveland Browns Stadium Fox Recap
8 October 30 4:15 p.m. at San Francisco 49ers L 10β20 3β4 Candlestick Park CBS Recap
9 November 6 1:00 p.m. at Houston Texans L 12β30 3β5 Reliant Stadium CBS Recap
10 November 13 1:00 p.m. St. Louis Rams L 12β13 3β6 Cleveland Browns Stadium Fox Recap
11 November 20 1:00 p.m. Jacksonville Jaguars W 14β10 4β6 Cleveland Browns Stadium CBS Recap
12 November 27 1:00 p.m. at Cincinnati Bengals L 20β23 4β7 Paul Brown Stadium CBS Recap
13 December 4 4:05 p.m.[45] Baltimore Ravens L 10β24 4β8 Cleveland Browns Stadium CBS Recap
14 December 8 8:20 p.m. at Pittsburgh Steelers L 3β14 4β9 Heinz Field NFLN Recap
15 December 18 4:15 p.m. at Arizona Cardinals L 17β20 (OT) 4β10 University of Phoenix Stadium CBS Recap
16 December 24 1:00 p.m. at Baltimore Ravens L 14β20 4β11 M&T Bank Stadium CBS Recap
17 January 1 4:15 p.m.[46] Pittsburgh Steelers L 9β13 4β12 Cleveland Browns Stadium CBS Recap
LEGEND:
Notice the games the Browns lost by less than a TD, highlighted. Will the additions to the offense now allow them to make up those differences? Note that many of those were against division opponents. Can the gap be closing?
(yes, I also know they won games by narrow margins as well.)
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Week Date Kickoff (ET) Opponent Results Game site TV NFL.com
recap
Final score Team record
1 September 11 1:00 p.m. Cincinnati Bengals L 17β27 0β1 Cleveland Browns Stadium CBS Recap
2 September 18 1:00 p.m. at Indianapolis Colts W 27β19 1β1 Lucas Oil Stadium CBS Recap
3 September 25 1:00 p.m. Miami Dolphins W 17β16 2β1 Cleveland Browns Stadium CBS Recap
4 October 2 1:00 p.m. Tennessee Titans L 13β31 2β2 Cleveland Browns Stadium CBS Recap
5 Bye
6 October 16 4:05 p.m. at Oakland Raiders L 17β24 2β3 O.co Coliseum CBS Recap
7 October 23 1:00 p.m. Seattle Seahawks W 6β3 3β3 Cleveland Browns Stadium Fox Recap
8 October 30 4:15 p.m. at San Francisco 49ers L 10β20 3β4 Candlestick Park CBS Recap
9 November 6 1:00 p.m. at Houston Texans L 12β30 3β5 Reliant Stadium CBS Recap
10 November 13 1:00 p.m. St. Louis Rams L 12β13 3β6 Cleveland Browns Stadium Fox Recap
11 November 20 1:00 p.m. Jacksonville Jaguars W 14β10 4β6 Cleveland Browns Stadium CBS Recap
12 November 27 1:00 p.m. at Cincinnati Bengals L 20β23 4β7 Paul Brown Stadium CBS Recap
13 December 4 4:05 p.m.[45] Baltimore Ravens L 10β24 4β8 Cleveland Browns Stadium CBS Recap
14 December 8 8:20 p.m. at Pittsburgh Steelers L 3β14 4β9 Heinz Field NFLN Recap
15 December 18 4:15 p.m. at Arizona Cardinals L 17β20 (OT) 4β10 University of Phoenix Stadium CBS Recap
16 December 24 1:00 p.m. at Baltimore Ravens L 14β20 4β11 M&T Bank Stadium CBS Recap
17 January 1 4:15 p.m.[46] Pittsburgh Steelers L 9β13 4β12 Cleveland Browns Stadium CBS Recap
LEGEND:
Notice the games the Browns lost by less than a TD, highlighted. Will the additions to the offense now allow them to make up those differences? Note that many of those were against division opponents. Can the gap be closing?
(yes, I also know they won games by narrow margins as well.)
Notice the games the Browns lost by less than a TD, highlighted. Will the additions to the offense now allow them to make up those differences? Note that many of those were against division opponents. Can the gap be closing?
(yes, I also know they won games by narrow margins as well.)
Short answer, NO. In answer to the original question (thread title), NO. The Browns are projected to be last in the division, and barring a miracle (for Cleveland) that's where the Browns will end up. All your skill positions on offense are GREEN. They will make mistakes, lots of mistakes. Those mistakes will cost you games.
The hope for the Browns in 2012 is not a play-off run, the hope is that your skill players will not be GREEN in 2013. Weeden doesn't have a long NFL career projection, he needs to go from rookie to grizzled veteran by 2013. He doesn't have an all-star cast around him, he has rookies and second year players. He doesn't have a coach with an established offensive system in place.
Your defense should be able to keep your team in games, I'm not sure your offense can. Once a team gets a lead, your opponents will run the ball and drain the clock. A more telling stat based on last years performance is the points opposing teams put up. You'll probably need to score more than 14-17 points to win games and there aren't that many teams you've held to under 14 points. The Steelers were held in check by the Browns last year mainly because of the injury they applied to Ben Roethlisberger.
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Notice the games the Browns lost by less than a TD, highlighted. Will the additions to the offense now allow them to make up those differences? Note that many of those were against division opponents. Can the gap be closing?
(yes, I also know they won games by narrow margins as well.)
Short answer, NO. In answer to the original question (thread title), NO. The Browns are projected to be last in the division, and barring a miracle (for Cleveland) that's where the Browns will end up. All your skill positions on offense are GREEN. They will make mistakes, lots of mistakes. Those mistakes will cost you games.
The hope for the Browns in 2012 is not a play-off run, the hope is that your skill players will not be GREEN in 2013. Weeden doesn't have a long NFL career projection, he needs to go from rookie to grizzled veteran by 2013. He doesn't have an all-star cast around him, he has rookies and second year players. He doesn't have a coach with an established offensive system in place.
Your defense should be able to keep your team in games, I'm not sure your offense can. Once a team gets a lead, your opponents will run the ball and drain the clock. A more telling stat based on last years performance is the points opposing teams put up. You'll probably need to score more than 14-17 points to win games and there aren't that many teams you've held to under 14 points. The Steelers were held in check by the Browns last year mainly because of the injury they applied to Ben Roethlisberger.
Endymion said:
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Thanks for your input. It was sorely needed.
Zombo
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Notice the games the Browns lost by less than a TD, highlighted. Will the additions to the offense now allow them to make up those differences? Note that many of those were against division opponents. Can the gap be closing?
(yes, I also know they won games by narrow margins as well.)
Short answer, NO. In answer to the original question (thread title), NO. The Browns are projected to be last in the division, and barring a miracle (for Cleveland) that's where the Browns will end up. All your skill positions on offense are GREEN. They will make mistakes, lots of mistakes. Those mistakes will cost you games.
The hope for the Browns in 2012 is not a play-off run, the hope is that your skill players will not be GREEN in 2013. Weeden doesn't have a long NFL career projection, he needs to go from rookie to grizzled veteran by 2013. He doesn't have an all-star cast around him, he has rookies and second year players. He doesn't have a coach with an established offensive system in place.
Your defense should be able to keep your team in games, I'm not sure your offense can. Once a team gets a lead, your opponents will run the ball and drain the clock. A more telling stat based on last years performance is the points opposing teams put up. You'll probably need to score more than 14-17 points to win games and there aren't that many teams you've held to under 14 points. The Steelers were held in check by the Browns last year mainly because of the injury they applied to Ben Roethlisberger.
Endymion said:
Short answer, NO. In answer to the original question (thread title), NO. The Browns are projected to be last in the division, and barring a miracle (for Cleveland) that's where the Browns will end up. All your skill positions on offense are GREEN. They will make mistakes, lots of mistakes. Those mistakes will cost you games.
The hope for the Browns in 2012 is not a play-off run, the hope is that your skill players will not be GREEN in 2013. Weeden doesn't have a long NFL career projection, he needs to go from rookie to grizzled veteran by 2013. He doesn't have an all-star cast around him, he has rookies and second year players. He doesn't have a coach with an established offensive system in place.
Your defense should be able to keep your team in games, I'm not sure your offense can. Once a team gets a lead, your opponents will run the ball and drain the clock. A more telling stat based on last years performance is the points opposing teams put up. You'll probably need to score more than 14-17 points to win games and there aren't that many teams you've held to under 14 points. The Steelers were held in check by the Browns last year mainly because of the injury they applied to Ben Roethlisberger.
Well, you are describing last year's team to a T. Yes, the Browns will indeed be "Green" this year, and yes, the belief is that they must have a year to mature (even Weeden). And yes, the offensive system in place by this coach is highly questionable.
But: I am not so worried about Weeden's longevity. Only 4 QBs in Browns history have had as much as 5 years as the primary starter. (OG, Ryan, Sipe, Kosar). We will take 5 years of a good QB instead of a string of 1-2 years with bad QBs.
The issue...as my post pointed out, is whether or not this offense with all this green fodder on it can still eke out perhaps as much as an extra FG...or TD per game. With an extra FG in some games the record last year could have been 7-9. With an extra TD it could have been 8-8 or 9-7.
As for controlling BR, they have done that before in games in which he was not hurt. In the game earlier in the year the Steelers scored all of 14 points with BR healthy. And they scored 13 points with him hurt.
As always, it is the Steelers defense that pulls that team through.
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Endymion said:
Short answer, NO. In answer to the original question (thread title), NO. The Browns are projected to be last in the division, and barring a miracle (for Cleveland) that's where the Browns will end up. All your skill positions on offense are GREEN. They will make mistakes, lots of mistakes. Those mistakes will cost you games.
The hope for the Browns in 2012 is not a play-off run, the hope is that your skill players will not be GREEN in 2013. Weeden doesn't have a long NFL career projection, he needs to go from rookie to grizzled veteran by 2013. He doesn't have an all-star cast around him, he has rookies and second year players. He doesn't have a coach with an established offensive system in place.
Your defense should be able to keep your team in games, I'm not sure your offense can. Once a team gets a lead, your opponents will run the ball and drain the clock. A more telling stat based on last years performance is the points opposing teams put up. You'll probably need to score more than 14-17 points to win games and there aren't that many teams you've held to under 14 points. The Steelers were held in check by the Browns last year mainly because of the injury they applied to Ben Roethlisberger.
Well, you are describing last year's team to a T. Yes, the Browns will indeed be "Green" this year, and yes, the belief is that they must have a year to mature (even Weeden). And yes, the offensive system in place by this coach is highly questionable.
But: I am not so worried about Weeden's longevity. Only 4 QBs in Browns history have had as much as 5 years as the primary starter. (OG, Ryan, Sipe, Kosar). We will take 5 years of a good QB instead of a string of 1-2 years with bad QBs.
The issue...as my post pointed out, is whether or not this offense with all this green fodder on it can still eke out perhaps as much as an extra FG...or TD per game. With an extra FG in some games the record last year could have been 7-9. With an extra TD it could have been 8-8 or 9-7.
As for controlling BR, they have done that before in games in which he was not hurt. In the game earlier in the year the Steelers scored all of 14 points with BR healthy. And they scored 13 points with him hurt.
As always, it is the Steelers defense that pulls that team through.
The issue...as my post pointed out, is whether or not this offense with all this green fodder on it can still eke out perhaps as much as an extra FG...or TD per game. With an extra FG in some games the record last year could have been 7-9. With an extra TD it could have been 8-8 or 9-7.
As for controlling BR, they have done that before in games in which he was not hurt. In the game earlier in the year the Steelers scored all of 14 points with BR healthy. And they scored 13 points with him hurt. As always, it is the Steelers defense that pulls that team through.
Ben was hurt in the first meeting of our two teams (sometime around the end of 1st/early 2nd quarter). He really didn't have a good game afterwards until the Denver play-offs. Before he got hurt he was moving the ball effectively against the Browns defense. The Steeler defense should be between the top 5-10 this year, but it will take a bit of a hit versus 2011. If the offense doesn't improve to top 10 status the Steelers probably aren't making the play-offs.
I feel that your team's offense will average between 14 and 17 offensive points per game with Weeden at the helm for the 2012, this is up from your offensive average in 2011 (of roughly 13.5). Weeden and company will probably look horrible the 1st four games of the season. Will your coach whether that storm or revert to McCoy? If he goes McCoy, any hope for the season is really lost and he might be jeopardizing 2013 as well. Weeden's your franchise QB, and his style is not McCoy's style. You have to ride the Weeden horse and he won't be developing effectively behind McCoy.
It's hard to look at last year's scores as any definitive guide to how this year scores will be. Averages and actual scores can vary wildy. The Browns are essentially making a major offensive overhaul, so you can't really expect the offensive to put up "better" numbers than last year. You can hope they progressively improve through-out the year. The Browns defense hasn't changed much, so you can expect it to be no worse than last year. Roughly, the Browns gave up 19 points per game defensively in 2011.
So let's say under Weeden in 2012 you average 15.5 points per game offensively and give up 18 points per game defensively. Your games may be close or wildly lopsided, despite these improvements I'm suggesting. You are still giving up more points than you are earning, which means the Browns will be losing games more often than not. Until your offense gets to 21 points per game or more, you can't dream of play-offs/owning the division. The goal for next season is to get Weeden to average 21 or more points per game in the last 4-6 games of the season. Period. Regardless of actual wins or losses, if Weeden gets to that average as I've stated, the Browns will not be bottom feeders in the AFCN in 2013.
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The issue...as my post pointed out, is whether or not this offense with all this green fodder on it can still eke out perhaps as much as an extra FG...or TD per game. With an extra FG in some games the record last year could have been 7-9. With an extra TD it could have been 8-8 or 9-7.
As for controlling BR, they have done that before in games in which he was not hurt. In the game earlier in the year the Steelers scored all of 14 points with BR healthy. And they scored 13 points with him hurt. As always, it is the Steelers defense that pulls that team through.
Ben was hurt in the first meeting of our two teams (sometime around the end of 1st/early 2nd quarter). He really didn't have a good game afterwards until the Denver play-offs. Before he got hurt he was moving the ball effectively against the Browns defense. The Steeler defense should be between the top 5-10 this year, but it will take a bit of a hit versus 2011. If the offense doesn't improve to top 10 status the Steelers probably aren't making the play-offs.
I feel that your team's offense will average between 14 and 17 offensive points per game with Weeden at the helm for the 2012, this is up from your offensive average in 2011 (of roughly 13.5). Weeden and company will probably look horrible the 1st four games of the season. Will your coach whether that storm or revert to McCoy? If he goes McCoy, any hope for the season is really lost and he might be jeopardizing 2013 as well. Weeden's your franchise QB, and his style is not McCoy's style. You have to ride the Weeden horse and he won't be developing effectively behind McCoy.
It's hard to look at last year's scores as any definitive guide to how this year scores will be. Averages and actual scores can vary wildy. The Browns are essentially making a major offensive overhaul, so you can't really expect the offensive to put up "better" numbers than last year. You can hope they progressively improve through-out the year. The Browns defense hasn't changed much, so you can expect it to be no worse than last year. Roughly, the Browns gave up 19 points per game defensively in 2011.
So let's say under Weeden in 2012 you average 15.5 points per game offensively and give up 18 points per game defensively. Your games may be close or wildly lopsided, despite these improvements I'm suggesting. You are still giving up more points than you are earning, which means the Browns will be losing games more often than not. Until your offense gets to 21 points per game or more, you can't dream of play-offs/owning the division. The goal for next season is to get Weeden to average 21 or more points per game in the last 4-6 games of the season. Period. Regardless of actual wins or losses, if Weeden gets to that average as I've stated, the Browns will not be bottom feeders in the AFCN in 2013.
Endymion said:
Ben was hurt in the first meeting of our two teams (sometime around the end of 1st/early 2nd quarter). He really didn't have a good game afterwards until the Denver play-offs. Before he got hurt he was moving the ball effectively against the Browns defense. The Steeler defense should be between the top 5-10 this year, but it will take a bit of a hit versus 2011. If the offense doesn't improve to top 10 status the Steelers probably aren't making the play-offs.
Oh, OK, he was hurt in that first matchup. Did he even play in that second game?
I guess we could argue that it was OUR QB who was the one who got hurt worse...and that you only pulled off those wins vs. the Browns because we lost him for the season. It works both ways you know.
I feel that your team's offense will average between 14 and 17 offensive points per game with Weeden at the helm for the 2012, this is up from your offensive average in 2011 (of roughly 13.5).
If they had averaged 17 ppg last year, that would be the difference in 3-4 more wins. So, logically, if they average 17 wins this year, they may win 3-4 more games, n'est ce pas?
Weeden and company will probably look horrible the 1st four games of the season. Will your coach whether that storm or revert to McCoy?
For all we know it will be McCoy starting those first 4 games....and then the handoff may be to Weeden. Nothing is set in stone that BW3 will be starting right away.
If he goes McCoy, any hope for the season is really lost and he might be jeopardizing 2013 as well. Weeden's your franchise QB, and his style is not McCoy's style. You have to ride the Weeden horse and he won't be developing effectively behind McCoy.
It's hard to look at last year's scores as any definitive guide to how this year scores will be. Averages and actual scores can vary wildy. The Browns are essentially making a major offensive overhaul, so you can't really expect the offensive to put up "better" numbers than last year.
Au contraire, we expect just that....because we can't see how it can be any worse.
You can hope they progressively improve through-out the year. The Browns defense hasn't changed much, so you can expect it to be no worse than last year. Roughly, the Browns gave up 19 points per game defensively in 2011.
So let's say under Weeden in 2012 you average 15.5 points per game offensively and give up 18 points per game defensively. Your games may be close or wildly lopsided, despite these improvements I'm suggesting.
UH, listen to your statement...."your games will be close or lopsided". Is there any other choice?
You are still giving up more points than you are earning, which means the Browns will be losing games more often than not. Until your offense gets to 21 points per game or more, you can't dream of play-offs/owning the division.
And who is to say they can't average 21 points per game? Despite the "greenness" of all these players, I don't think anyone here automatically thinks there will be limitations set on them. Yes, it is prudent not to expect to much....but it is pernicious to expect too little.
The goal for next season is to get Weeden to average 21 or more points per game in the last 4-6 games of the season. Period. Regardless of actual wins or losses, if Weeden gets to that average as I've stated, the Browns will not be bottom feeders in the AFCN in 2013.
Or, in 2012 if they can get there.....as Weeden is not alone. A big burden of this offense will be placed on the shoulders of Trent Richardson
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Listen, Good teams don't worry about what other teams are doing. The Ravens, Steelers, Patirots, etc. play thier own game. They don't switch offensive philosophys, defensive styles and team directions every other year.
Every year they draft low and the still hit on picks. They know what they're doing.
Winning seasons aren't flukes. They are the norm for these teams.
You're talking about the Browns worrying other teams before camp starts?
To be considered an elite team, the Browns need to put together several years of winning and championships. Actuall winning. Nothing else.
And there are always the "one year wonders". The Seahawks, the Cardinals... That doesn't make an organization successful.
When the Browns put together several winning seasons, develop a reputation for a style of play, and are consistantly challenging for a championship, THEN other teams will take notice.
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Listen, Good teams don't worry about what other teams are doing. The Ravens, Steelers, Patirots, etc. play thier own game. They don't switch offensive philosophys, defensive styles and team directions every other year.
Every year they draft low and the still hit on picks. They know what they're doing.
Winning seasons aren't flukes. They are the norm for these teams.
You're talking about the Browns worrying other teams before camp starts?
To be considered an elite team, the Browns need to put together several years of winning and championships. Actuall winning. Nothing else.
And there are always the "one year wonders". The Seahawks, the Cardinals... That doesn't make an organization successful.
When the Browns put together several winning seasons, develop a reputation for a style of play, and are consistantly challenging for a championship, THEN other teams will take notice.
The Soldier said:
Listen, Good teams don't worry about what other teams are doing. The Ravens, Steelers, Patirots, etc. play thier own game. They don't switch offensive philosophys, defensive styles and team directions every other year.
Every year they draft low and the still hit on picks. They know what they're doing.
Winning seasons aren't flukes. They are the norm for these teams.
You're talking about the Browns worrying other teams before camp starts?
To be considered an elite team, the Browns need to put together several years of winning and championships. Actuall winning. Nothing else.
And there are always the "one year wonders". The Seahawks, the Cardinals... That doesn't make an organization successful.
When the Browns put together several winning seasons, develop a reputation for a style of play, and are consistantly challenging for a championship, THEN other teams will take notice.
Actually, no. These others teams will take notice of the Browns each and every time they play them. Teams spend their entire week planning and devising ways to beat their opponent that week.
The question is not whether or not their opponents will take notice...they will. It is whether or not the public at large will take notice. The National Media etc.
A team has to do all those things you point out to get national cred, not the attention of their division opponents.
I honestly don't think that the Steelers/Ravens/Bengals have ever taken the Browns for granted. If they had, the Browns division record would not have been a poor as it has been for them lately. Those teams paid attention to the Browns and by better talent/coaching/scheme whatever were able to do their jobs and beat the Browns.
The question is: when will the time come that despite their division opponents having given their full time and attention to the Browns, that the Browns can beat them anyway.
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I think the Browns divisiion opponents know that the Browns will play them tough - but that the Browns have historically had some
glaring weaknesses they could take advantage of and win the game.
Now, those weaknesses are gone. New players, yes, but the drafting has been to field
a Browns team complete with SMART draft picks. That has been lacking. Why the hell the other "coaches" and FO's
ignored the right tackle is beyond me and a lot of Browns' fans. Why they drafted head cases like Braylon, and losers
like Junkin, etc... the list is long.
No more. Now the Browns have been drafting brilliantly. And I don't see any major weaknesses that the squeelers and ratbirds can laugh
about anymore. Just a lot of brilliant drafting decisions, seems to me, to fill those weaknesses, and make the Browns more competitive, to
put it mildly.
I'm not sure how to rate the differences, but everybodey knows that I value the addition of the RT highly. But Little AND Gordon AND Weeden AND
RICHARDSON AND ... the list goes on, including PInkston's going to a camp to redefine his physique and get in serious football shape....
It will be a different, dynamic offense, early on maybe, or later when they get rolling. They'll miss Taylor, though, on defense, but with a couple of smart picks
to strengthen that area...
The division opponents will take serious notice soon..
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@king-ghoolie-lives said:
The Browns will sweep the Bengals and Steelers, split with Blow-two-more, and go to the playoffs at 10 -6.
If Weeden steps in and rocks it from the start, I don't think this is a stretch at all. The pieces are there. They just gotta fit, and when they do, be it 2012 or 2013, hang on friends! It's gonna be fun...
I can't wait for Cleveland Browns Stadium to finally be a place opposing teams fear. The fans are going to be insane. Welcome to Thunderdome bitch!
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Come on now guys, draft picks don't get anyone'sattention. Putting them to good use does. Nobody was scared when the Bangles drafted Green and Dalton. They were shaking however when they say them on the field. Nobody will be afraid of us until we can put up some Ws.
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Not scared... but got their attention. Sure the Browns got that attention.
Of course a lot of players watch the draft. When the Browns drafted just Richardson,
I'll bet a lot of opponent players said "yep. The Browns solved the rb problem with a kickass rb. Now watch,
they'll finally draft a RT. That will suck. No more easy money with the Browns defeats."
Attention. The scared will be when they actually are getting hammered and wishing they were playing the Browns
of three years ago.
Not any more.
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Not scared... but got their attention. Sure the Browns got that attention.
Of course a lot of players watch the draft. When the Browns drafted just Richardson,
I'll bet a lot of opponent players said "yep. The Browns solved the rb problem with a kickass rb. Now watch,
they'll finally draft a RT. That will suck. No more easy money with the Browns defeats."
Attention. The scared will be when they actually are getting hammered and wishing they were playing the Browns
of three years ago.
Not any more.
Not scared... but got their attention. Sure the Browns got that attention.
Of course a lot of players watch the draft. When the Browns drafted just Richardson,
I'll bet a lot of opponent players said "yep. The Browns solved the rb problem with a kickass rb. Now watch,
they'll finally draft a RT. That will suck. No more easy money with the Browns defeats."
Attention. The scared will be when they actually are getting hammered and wishing they were playing the Browns
of three years ago.
Not any more.
Fair enough. However we have gotten people's attention before (Eric Metcalf, 2007 draft) and it turned into nothing. We need to start scaring people now.
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But isn't the one player that has an impact with a team that is weak overall.
This last draft, + Gordon... sealed the deal of a complete team to be able to compete
in all phases of the game.
Able to.
It isn't just the RB, obviously. Think of it as a dam, that has all sorts of leaks.
But, a few years later, 90% of the leaks are fixed. But a few persist.
Then, every single leak is FIXED. Dam leaks no more.
Going to be a big difference, I think.
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But isn't the one player that has an impact with a team that is weak overall.
This last draft, + Gordon... sealed the deal of a complete team to be able to compete
in all phases of the game.
Able to.
It isn't just the RB, obviously. Think of it as a dam, that has all sorts of leaks.
But, a few years later, 90% of the leaks are fixed. But a few persist.
Then, every single leak is FIXED. Dam leaks no more.
Going to be a big difference, I think.
But isn't the one player that has an impact with a team that is weak overall.
This last draft, + Gordon... sealed the deal of a complete team to be able to compete
in all phases of the game.
Able to.
It isn't just the RB, obviously. Think of it as a dam, that has all sorts of leaks.
But, a few years later, 90% of the leaks are fixed. But a few persist.
Then, every single leak is FIXED. Dam leaks no more.
Going to be a big difference, I think.
In theory, yes. These guys all have to: a. live up to their capabilities and b. stay healthy. The latter always seems to be an issue with the Browns..
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I just hope that Phil Taylor comes back strong and healthy and ready to maul people!
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Adkins: DT Phil Taylor is Doing "Remarkably Well"
by Chris Pokorny on Jul 18, 2012 9:53 PM EDT
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On Monday, Lane Adkins of the OBR posted an optimistic update about Cleveland Browns defensive tackle Phil Taylor on his Twitter account. He said that Taylor is "doing remarkably well" and "could be ready to play in ten weeks." You read that right -- not practice, but play. Adkins says that he understands it sounds like a huge case of optimism for Taylor, but that he was told that Taylor's pectoral injury was no where near as serious as D'Qwell Jackson's from a couple years back.
Ten weeks from Monday make Taylor available for the team's Week 3 game against the Buffalo Bills or the team's Week 4 game (which takes place four days later) against the Baltimore Ravens. It'll be interesting to see whether Taylor begins the season on the 53-man roster or the physically unable to perform list. If they place him on the PUP, the earliest he could play is Week 7 against the Indianapolis Colts. The disadvantage of placing him on the PUP is that he cannot practice for the first six weeks of the season. If he is not on the PUP, he could start practicing, for example, in Week 3, and be ready to play a few weeks later. Either way, it's good to hear there haven't been any setbacks for Taylor to this point.
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