One Year After Dadt Repeal
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Primary Source: http://www.palmcenter.org/files/One%20Year%20Out_0.pdf
Secondary Source: http://www.metroweekly.com/poliglot/2012/09/study-shows-no-negative-impact-after-dadt-repeal.html
Published today by the Palm Center of the Williams Institute at the University of California Los Angeles, School of Law, it is the first academic study of the repeal of DADT and it shows that the repeal has not resulted in any consequences for military readiness, cohesion, recruitment, retention, assaults, harassment or morale.
From the horse's mouth, emphasis mine.
1. The repeal of DADT has had no overall negative impact on military readiness or its
component dimensions, including cohesion, recruitment, retention, assaults, harassment
or morale.
2. A comparison of 2011 pre-repeal and 2012 post-repeal survey data shows that service
members reported the same level of military readiness after DADT repeal as before it.
3. Even in those units that included openly LGB service members, and that consequently
should have been the most likely to experience a drop in cohesion as a result of repeal,
cohesion did not decline after the new policy of open service was put into place. In fact,
greater openness and honesty resulting from repeal seem to have promoted increased
understanding, respect and acceptance.
4. Recruitment was unaffected by the repeal of DADT. In an era when enlistment standards
are tightening, service-wide recruitment has remained robust.
5. Retention was unaffected by the repeal of DADT. There was no mass exodus of military
members as a result of repeal, and there were only two verifiable resignations linked to
the policy change, both military chaplains. Service members were as likely to say that
they plan to re-enlist after DADT repeal as was the case pre-repeal.
6. DADT repeal has not been responsible for any new wave of violence or physical abuse
among service members. The policy change appears to have enabled some LGB service
members to resolve disputes around harassment and bias in ways that were not possible
prior to repeal.
7. Service-wide data indicate that overall, force morale did not decrease as a result of the
new policy, although repeal produced a decline in individual morale for some service
members who personally opposed the policy change and boosted individual morale for
others.
8. There was no wave of mass disclosures of sexual orientation after repeal, and a minority
of heterosexual service members reported in an independent survey that, after repeal,
someone in their unit disclosed being LGB or that an LGB service member joined their
unit.
9. Some military members have complained of downsides that followed from the policy
change, but others identified upsides, and in no case did negative consequences outweigh
benefits. In balance, DADT repeal has enhanced the military’s ability to pursue its
mission.
10. The findings of this study are consistent with the reported assessments of repeal by
military leadership including President Barack Obama, Secretary of Defense Leon 5
Panetta, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Martin Dempsey and Marine Corps
Commandant James Amos.
11. The findings of this study are consistent with the extensive literature on foreign
militaries, which shows uniformly that readiness did not decline after foreign armed
forces allowed LGB troops to serve openly.
12. As positive reports about DADT repeal emerged in the media, repeal opponents who
predicted that open service would compromise readiness have adjusted their forecasts by
emphasizing the possibility of long-term damage that will only become apparent in the
future rather than identifiable consequences in the short-term.
So there you have it. You'd think the sky was falling given how some people were reacting.
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Remember when some in here were claiming that Obama and McCain held the same positions on gay issues, and some of us said that clearly they didn't?
Mmm. Who ended up being right?
Here's what I wrote at the time:
"As for gays in the military, now that the new policy is in place we'll soon find out that all of the scary warnings about what would happen if we couldn't discharge gay people for being openly gay, and how that's going to affect unit cohesion, weren't true. And things will go on the way they always have. It's not going to be a big deal."
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Heck, you don't know jack about what being in the military is. You really don't know jack about all
sorts of things.
Please stop, stick to what you DO know about.
Arguing with Steve and losing.
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By this standard, you would be restricted to talking about growing tomatoes, being an airman for a couple of years in peace time, and shitting outdoors.
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By this standard, you would be restricted to talking about growing tomatoes, being an airman for a couple of years in peace time, and shitting outdoors.
By this standard, you would be restricted to talking about growing tomatoes, being an airman for a couple of years in peace time, and shitting outdoors.
Personally knowing many in the service, this is total horseshit. Allowing gays in the military is and will always be a mistake. I hope it is repealed.
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By this standard, you would be restricted to talking about growing tomatoes, being an airman for a couple of years in peace time, and shitting outdoors.
Personally knowing many in the service, this is total horseshit. Allowing gays in the military is and will always be a mistake. I hope it is repealed.
Personally knowing many in the service, this is total horseshit. Allowing gays in the military is and will always be a mistake. I hope it is repealed.
Personally, knowing many in the service, I respectfully disagree. Oh well, guess you'll have someone to blame when the Chinese take over.
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Personally knowing many in the service, this is total horseshit. Allowing gays in the military is and will always be a mistake. I hope it is repealed.
Personally, knowing many in the service, I respectfully disagree. Oh well, guess you'll have someone to blame when the Chinese take over.
Personally, knowing many in the service, I respectfully disagree. Oh well, guess you'll have someone to blame when the Chinese take over.
Dude, I served 22 years in the military with Grunts and real people. Not some college boy know it all like you. I think I have the better perspective.
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Personally, knowing many in the service, I respectfully disagree. Oh well, guess you'll have someone to blame when the Chinese take over.
Dude, I served 22 years in the military with Grunts and real people. Not some college boy know it all like you. I think I have the better perspective.
Dude, I served 22 years in the military with Grunts and real people. Not some college boy know it all like you. I think I have the better perspective.
Oh, my mistake. You're older. You know better.
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Ah, Vapor. Who would have thought this thread would have turned to mindless chest-thumping and demagoguery so fast?
...Oh, wait. All of us.
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Ah, Vapor. Who would have thought this thread would have turned to mindless chest-thumping and demagoguery so fast?
...Oh, wait. All of us.
Ah, Vapor. Who would have thought this thread would have turned to mindless chest-thumping and demagoguery so fast?
...Oh, wait. All of us.
May as well join in. I bet I suck more dick than you do, queer.
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Maybe in raw numbers, sure. But you suck Muslim dick on 9/11 within blocks of Ground Zero. And then you preached your libtard queerbait about the military during the moment of silence? Go back to Kenya.
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shut up, queers
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the study from UCLA can be taken as a campaign aid for the call of all LGBT to get out the vote.
Well good for them... not everyone will take this 1 year anniversary of the removal of DADT and the so called findings of this study to be entirely and completely factual from a duly noted liberal think tank...
"Researchers began their study by contacting 553 of those 1,167 retired generals and admirals. Of those 553 contacted, 13 participated in the study. Researchers also conducted interviews with other opponents and dozens of active-duty servicemembers"
only 13? and other opponents how many? and dozens ..... how many dozens? kinda blurry dont you think?...
How about an internal military review? I would rather believe that .....
and cant say much for that sarcastic homophobe swipe on those who are opposed here- vapor and heck.... but you can say whatever you want.
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the study from UCLA can be taken as a campaign aid for the call of all LGBT to get out the vote.
Well good for them... not everyone will take this 1 year anniversary of the removal of DADT and the so called findings of this study to be entirely and completely factual from a duly noted liberal think tank...
"Researchers began their study by contacting 553 of those 1,167 retired generals and admirals. Of those 553 contacted, 13 participated in the study. Researchers also conducted interviews with other opponents and dozens of active-duty servicemembers"
only 13? and other opponents how many? and dozens ..... how many dozens? kinda blurry dont you think?...
How about an internal military review? I would rather believe that .....
and cant say much for that sarcastic homophobe swipe on those who are opposed here- vapor and heck.... but you can say whatever you want.
How about an internal military review? I would rather believe that .....
Internal military review? Oh, you mean like the one they did in May?
Referenced here: http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=116291
The repeal of the law banning gay and lesbian people from open military service took effect Sept. 20, 2011. The secretary [Panetta] said he received the report on repeal implementation yesterday, and it shows repeal is going “very well” and according to the department’s plans.
“It's not impacting on morale. It's not impacting on unit cohesion. It is not impacting on readiness,” he said.
Panetta said he credits military leaders for effective repeal planning.
“Very frankly, my view is that the military has kind of moved beyond it,” he said. “It's become part and parcel of what they've accepted within the military.”
During the same conference, Army Gen. Martin E. Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said he has not seen “any negative effect on good order and discipline” resulting from the repeal.
But yeah, what would these guys know? Closet cocksuckers, right?
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I wouldnt say closet cocksuckers like you just did, but they are party line guys right? they do and say as they are told.....
Panetta and joint Chief of staff General Dempsey used what amounts to commentary.
How about effects on the outed gays / lesbians...? (no mention of any Bi's and/or transgenders yet)
consider the experiment Obama in helping the LGBT by eliminating dadt, the backlash against them is happening in small measures, mainly in outward expressions of the gay love ...
meaning they cannot cuddle, kiss and more (?) in the public arena of official military functions. keep it behind closed doors....
It seems that it will be a distraction in time.... 1 year though? wait for it......
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What's the policy covering male and female enlistees messing around?
WSS
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What's the policy covering male and female enlistees messing around?
WSS
What's the policy covering male and female enlistees messing around?
WSS
There isn't any that I know of. The dog ugliest girls I've ever seen go to the military to find a man. With that ratio you can't lose. The only rules I know of concern fraternization. Officers and enlisted.
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FairHooker had a very excellent post here, don't want it to be missed:
"the study from UCLA can be taken as a campaign aid for the call of all LGBT to get out the vote.
Well good for them... not everyone will take this 1 year anniversary of the removal of DADT and the so called findings of this study to be entirely and completely factual from a duly noted liberal think tank...
"Researchers began their study by contacting 553 of those 1,167 retired generals and admirals. Of those 553 contacted, 13 participated in the study. Researchers also conducted interviews with other opponents and dozens of active-duty servicemembers"
only 13? and other opponents how many? and dozens ..... how many dozens? kinda blurry dont you think?...
How about an internal military review? I would rather believe that .....
and cant say much for that sarcastic homophobe swipe on those who are opposed here- vapor and heck.... but you can say whatever you want.
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Well of course most of them aren't going to talk about it. They were proven wrong. People who get to be officers in the military don't like being wrong.
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