Our Next Coach Will Be?
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Do the harbaughs have another brother? Hire him.
Just scrolling through to post this exact comment.... too late...
As for the rest...
I'm not a Gruden fan. He won with an inherited TB team and then tore it apart. Too volatile for my taste.
Saban has burned his NFL bridges as far as I am concerned with the way he fucked over the Fins. Besides he has all the spotlight and $$$ he needs at Bama.
I think Cowher is interesting. I have no doubt that his fire would reignite in a heart beat. And vs Gruden I think it's the right amount of fire. Plus if he doesn't take a job soon, the calls will dwindle to zero...
Billick - Nothing there but ego...
Reid - Why go after another "can't do it" retread?
Mooch - no
Holmgren - hell no...
What about Jim Tressel? Always thought he was cast in the mold of Bill Walsh, and in the NFL there are no rules against free tattoos...
Just scrolling through to post this exact comment.... too late...
As for the rest...
I'm not a Gruden fan. He won with an inherited TB team and then tore it apart. Too volatile for my taste.
Saban has burned his NFL bridges as far as I am concerned with the way he fucked over the Fins. Besides he has all the spotlight and $$$ he needs at Bama.
I think Cowher is interesting. I have no doubt that his fire would reignite in a heart beat. And vs Gruden I think it's the right amount of fire. Plus if he doesn't take a job soon, the calls will dwindle to zero...
Billick - Nothing there but ego...
Reid - Why go after another "can't do it" retread?
Mooch - no
Holmgren - hell no...
What about Jim Tressel? Always thought he was cast in the mold of Bill Walsh, and in the NFL there are no rules against free tattoos...
No way on Tressel. I loved him at Ohio State, but I hated his offense. Ohio State gave me hear palpatations all the time with their nail biter wins all the time. He's to conservative IMO.
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When was Shurmur ever a hot assistant? lol
I agree with the point some people have made before on these boards in that some of these guys like Cowher,Gruden etc. have lost their fire.
Honestly I think Gruden is a bit overrated anyhow, he won the Superbowl with Dungy's team.
I would rather us get our own guy who is hungry and ready to make a name for himself rather than trying to latch onto some has been.
Just please let it be some guy with passion and an attitude , not one of these dull mr. nice guy pussies we always hire.
Mangini was about the only guy we hired who actually had us playing some tough football, maybe part of that was Rob Ryan you got to love his enthusiasm.
I'm still liking the O-Line guys and O-coordinator from Houston.
They know the zone blocking running scheme from Alex Gibbs,Gary Kubiak that turns every running back into a pro-bowler and it would fit like a glove with Richardson.
I would agree Cowher has lost his fire, but Gruden is stll BURNING HOT AS HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tough football doesn't win anymore............. The last "TOUGH" football team that won a Superbowl was the 2000-2001 Ravens. The Stoolers have won it since then, but they didn't win ANYTHING until the rapist started throwing the ball.
To win in 2012 and beyond, the winner needs a GREAT offense.
It's no surprise the worst defensive teams last year ( New England, Green Bay) had the best records. And the worst rushing offensive team ( GIANTS ) actually won the Superbowl. It's all about the QB and the men catching the ball.
It's no surprise the worst defensive teams last year ( New England, Green Bay) had the best records. And the worst rushing offensive team ( GIANTS ) actually won the Superbowl. It's all about the QB and the men catching the ball.
You are only looking at a few statistics so your conclusion is very biased. New England and Green Bay may have given up the most yardage last year but also forced the most turnovers. So were they truly the worst two defenses in the league last year?
Also, the giants had a terrible rushing game the first half of the season and then turned it on the last 5 games of the season and through the playoffs. IMO Their 9-7 record shows that had their rushing game been as effective as it was late in the season, they would have won more regular season games. The giants would not have won the Super Bowl had their running game not improved (And don't forget their solid defense).
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@king-ghoolie-lives said:
He is a fucking phony, He is a TV announcer, What next, you are going to tell us how much " FIRE" Brent Mussberger or Bob Costas has?
GRUDEN IS NOT A FOOTBALL MAN................... HE IS A TELEVISION MAN. That is the choice HE MADE. What kind of fire is that?
I agree with the fact the fact that Gruden has lost his fire, but he is not a football man ? The guy has been a headcoach for 10 years. The guy has won the superbowl once and been the divisional championship once with a different team. Only once in his head coaching span was he 4 - 12. He has over the decade done more in the NFL than the returning Browns franchise.
He may lack the fire but he sure sounds like a football guy to me.
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How can people assume they know that any former-now-on-tv-ex-NFL-coach has lost his fire. Because they moved to TV? That's not a legit reason to assume so. I'd take a dead lifeless Cowher over Shurmur. Embalm that frickin' chin and put it on the sideline and as the team comes out they can rub it for inspiration alone. That would be better than Shurmur calling plays... Teams runs out and yells "For the Chin"...
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Jauron is a better choice I think, at least for interim coach. He's been a brown longer and his defense is good.
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Idk who the next HC will be, but there is a real promising coach on the Steelers staff that has quietly been making waves. I think his name is Kieth Butler. I would not rule him out.
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Idk who the next HC will be, but there is a real promising coach on the Steelers staff that has quietly been making waves. I think his name is Kieth Butler. I would not rule him out.
Idk who the next HC will be, but there is a real promising coach on the Steelers staff that has quietly been making waves. I think his name is Kieth Butler. I would not rule him out.
I did wiki him and learn how good he is at getting his linebackers to be in pro bowl quality. Also says he is in like to be the DC for the Steelers.
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I think its to early to change coaches. BUT if it were to happen I'd take a hard look at Jay Gruden or Kevin Gilbride.
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Just scrolling through to post this exact comment.... too late...
As for the rest...
I'm not a Gruden fan. He won with an inherited TB team and then tore it apart. Too volatile for my taste.
Saban has burned his NFL bridges as far as I am concerned with the way he fucked over the Fins. Besides he has all the spotlight and $$$ he needs at Bama.
I think Cowher is interesting. I have no doubt that his fire would reignite in a heart beat. And vs Gruden I think it's the right amount of fire. Plus if he doesn't take a job soon, the calls will dwindle to zero...
Billick - Nothing there but ego...
Reid - Why go after another "can't do it" retread?
Mooch - no
Holmgren - hell no...
What about Jim Tressel? Always thought he was cast in the mold of Bill Walsh, and in the NFL there are no rules against free tattoos...
No way on Tressel. I loved him at Ohio State, but I hated his offense. Ohio State gave me hear palpatations all the time with their nail biter wins all the time. He's to conservative IMO.
No way on Tressel. I loved him at Ohio State, but I hated his offense. Ohio State gave me hear palpatations all the time with their nail biter wins all the time. He's to conservative IMO.
I hear you, but I think it's hard to argue against Tressel's record at every level he's coached.
Here's another name for consideration... Mangini... Not that we owe him anything, but Holgren shafted him but good to pave the way for Shurmurman...
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Formerly Sane said:
The problem Cleveland has had with head coaches for the last 50 years is that a proven head coach will never come to Cleveland and the front office keeps trying to find a diamond in the rough and they are not equipped to choose the right guy. And then the organization is not willing to give the guy the time it requires to take a franchise with zero foundation to competitiveness. So it's been a constant stream of guys who were not ready, were held back by Browns management, or had no business being a head coach.
The new owner may convince a proven head coach to come here but not likely.
The new owner and his management may know how to interview for a budding head coach......time will tell.
I don't think it is a matter of having a "proven" HQ. Only two coaches in history have won a title with one team, then won again with another team: Guy Chamberlain and Weeb Ewbank.
A few others have gone to another team and lost a title game: like Bill Parcells and Mike Holmgren and a few before them.
Most "top" coaches succeed either at their first gig... Walsh, Noll, and the like...or they succeed somewhere else after they have failed....like Belichick.
So the odds would be highly against a Gruden, Cowher, Dungy etc. from coming here and making this a championship caliber team.
That is why I would advocate perhaps for a Nick Saban. I could see him being sort of a current day Jimmy Johnson.
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Formerly Sane said:
Mamngini is probably the best candidate. He was doing the right things, trying to build a long term permanent solution. However, Browns fans and media are not interested in being solid, they want to win now........regardless of the fcat that it doesn't work that way
Great post. I am glad that you included the media in this. They are clueless and partly to blame for why the Browns have been so bad since they came back. You have guys like Grossi trying to invent stories- Colt is getting traded e.g. or chances of Weeden getting benched in game 2 are 50-50- and undermine what the organization is trying to do. Also, most of these so called reporters don't actually do any actual analysis or research. Instead, they just jar off with their opinions. They set a really low bar. Whenever I watch the press conferences on the Browns' website I feel for Shurmur having to answer the same dumb questions day in and day out. I rarely hear a question that involves any knowledge of football or that I am actually interested in hearing answered. I guess what I am trying to say is lets do something different for a change and try stability for five years, and then give this guys a pass or fail grade.
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Formerly Sane said:
Mamngini is probably the best candidate. He was doing the right things, trying to build a long term permanent solution. However, Browns fans and media are not interested in being solid, they want to win now........regardless of the fcat that it doesn't work that way
Great post. I am glad that you included the media in this. They are clueless and partly to blame for why the Browns have been so bad since they came back. You have guys like Grossi trying to invent stories- Colt is getting traded e.g. or chances of Weeden getting benched in game 2 are 50-50- and undermine what the organization is trying to do. Also, most of these so called reporters don't actually do any actual analysis or research. Instead, they just jar off with their opinions. They set a really low bar. Whenever I watch the press conferences on the Browns' website I feel for Shurmur having to answer the same dumb questions day in and day out. I rarely hear a question that involves any knowledge of football or that I am actually interested in hearing answered. I guess what I am trying to say is lets do something different for a change and try stability for five years, and then give this guys a pass or fail grade.
Great post. I am glad that you included the media in this. They are clueless and partly to blame for why the Browns have been so bad since they came back. You have guys like Grossi trying to invent stories- Colt is getting traded e.g. or chances of Weeden getting benched in game 2 are 50-50- and undermine what the organization is trying to do. Also, most of these so called reporters don't actually do any actual analysis or research. Instead, they just jar off with their opinions. They set a really low bar. Whenever I watch the press conferences on the Browns' website I feel for Shurmur having to answer the same dumb questions day in and day out. I rarely hear a question that involves any knowledge of football or that I am actually interested in hearing answered. I guess what I am trying to say is lets do something different for a change and try stability for five years, and then give this guys a pass or fail grade.
I don't think any reporter has done so much as let out a cabbage fart that has ever affected the outcome of one of the Browns games. Nor has anything any of them said affected the "stability" of the Browns organization. Nope.
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Great post. I am glad that you included the media in this. They are clueless and partly to blame for why the Browns have been so bad since they came back. You have guys like Grossi trying to invent stories- Colt is getting traded e.g. or chances of Weeden getting benched in game 2 are 50-50- and undermine what the organization is trying to do. Also, most of these so called reporters don't actually do any actual analysis or research. Instead, they just jar off with their opinions. They set a really low bar. Whenever I watch the press conferences on the Browns' website I feel for Shurmur having to answer the same dumb questions day in and day out. I rarely hear a question that involves any knowledge of football or that I am actually interested in hearing answered. I guess what I am trying to say is lets do something different for a change and try stability for five years, and then give this guys a pass or fail grade.
I don't think any reporter has done so much as let out a cabbage fart that has ever affected the outcome of one of the Browns games. Nor has anything any of them said affected the "stability" of the Browns organization. Nope.
I don't think any reporter has done so much as let out a cabbage fart that has ever affected the outcome of one of the Browns games. Nor has anything any of them said affected the "stability" of the Browns organization. Nope.
I don't want to hijack this thread and make it about the media's affect on sports franchises, but I disagree. Here is an article about the media's impact on athletes' performances:
Also, it is common sense that the media affects public perception. It is as true in politics as it is in the NFL. If the media helps propagate a negative sentiment of the Browns, it not only can potentially affect the athletes' psyches, it can bring about changes in personnel. Major sponsors like Ford, The Cleveland Clinic, and AT&T are less likely to invest in a team with a negative image. Therefore, ownership groups definitely care about public perception. Just my $.02.
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I don't think any reporter has done so much as let out a cabbage fart that has ever affected the outcome of one of the Browns games. Nor has anything any of them said affected the "stability" of the Browns organization. Nope.
I don't want to hijack this thread and make it about the media's affect on sports franchises, but I disagree. Here is an article about the media's impact on athletes' performances:
Also, it is common sense that the media affects public perception. It is as true in politics as it is in the NFL. If the media helps propagate a negative sentiment of the Browns, it not only can potentially affect the athletes' psyches, it can bring about changes in personnel. Major sponsors like Ford, The Cleveland Clinic, and AT&T are less likely to invest in a team with a negative image. Therefore, ownership groups definitely care about public perception. Just my $.02.
I don't want to hijack this thread and make it about the media's affect on sports franchises, but I disagree. Here is an article about the media's impact on athletes' performances:
Also, it is common sense that the media affects public perception. It is as true in politics as it is in the NFL. If the media helps propagate a negative sentiment of the Browns, it not only can potentially affect the athletes' psyches, it can bring about changes in personnel. Major sponsors like Ford, The Cleveland Clinic, and AT&T are less likely to invest in a team with a negative image. Therefore, ownership groups definitely care about public perception. Just my $.02.
I agree, but the disgusting part is the number of so called "Fans" & others who will embarrass themselves by quoting the medias' ridiculous assertions as fact, then quoting the same writers and/or announcers at a later time. Some folks never learn. I prefer to draw my own conclusions & my response to all their speculation is, "We'll see.". The media has very little credibility with me.
Unfortunately, "perception IS reality", & the media (and politicians) are adept at creating the perception of their choice. Unfortunately, it has been negative far too often as it pertains to our Browns.
Mike
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I wouldn't mind Gruden.
I just hate Shurmur, he has made our offense predictable and inept. Not that we were anything to write home about before we hired him in.
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Formerly Sane said:
...And then the organization IS NOT WILLING TO GIVE THE GUY THE TIME IT REQUIRES to take a franchise with zero foundation to competitiveness.
This is what I believe is our team's biggest flaw: stability at key positions. Especially at the head coach position. The Cleveland Browns' management, and to some extent the fans, do not allow the head coaches we bring in the time to properly mature and develop into a competitive coach along with the team they are building. New head coaches are not so different from rookie players in the fact that they are more likely to grow and adapt to the game when given multiple seasons to do so. When it comes to our team, we are stuck in a cycle of blowing things up and rebuilding from scratch every 2-3 years, and we never seem to get anywhere.
Just for shits and giggles, and because I have a moderate case of OCD, I compiled statistics from some of the most successful head coaches in NFL history, comparing their win-loss records from their first 2 years of being a head coach, and compared it to their win-loss records from their third year of being head coach, to see if my theory was correct. This is by no means a complete list, with every single head coach from the modern era, but if you want to find out about any head coach to compare with this list, their statistics are not that hard to find:
HEAD COACH - WIN/LOSS RECORD and PERCENTAGE FOR YEARS 1 & 2 - WIN/LOSS RECORD and PERCENTAGE FOR YEAR 3
1) Andy Reid: 16-16, .500, 11-5, .688
2) Marty Schottenheimer: 12-12, .500, 12-4, .750
3) Brian Billick: 20-12, .625, 10-6, .625
4) Jeff Fisher: 8-14, .364, 8-8, .500
5) Mike Shanahan: 8-12, .400, 8-8, .500
6) Dan Reeves: 12-13, .480, 9-7, .563
7) Mike Holmgren: 18-14, .563, 9-7, .563
Mike Ditka: 11-14, .440, 10-6, .6259) Dick Vermeil: 9-19, .474, 9-7, .563
10) Tony Dungy: 16-16, .500, 8-8, .500
11) Bill Cowher: 20-12, .625, 12-4, .750
12) Tom Coughlin: 13-19, .406, 11-5, .688
13) Jimmy Johnson: 8-24, .250, 11-5, .688
14) Bill Parcells: 12-19-1, .391, 10-6, .625
15) Joe Gibbs, 16-9, .640, 14-2, .875
16) Bill Walsh: 8-24, .250, 13-3, .812
17) Chuck Noll: 6-22, .212, 6-8, .429
18) Bill Belichick: 13-19, .406, 7-9, .438
TOTALS, YEARS 1-2: (226-290-1), .438 win %
TOTALS, YEAR 3: (178-108), .622 win %
What these statistics show is that for the first two years of these coaches careers, they lost more than 50% of their games, with some of them not even winning a quarter of the played games. At this point, most of today's Browns fans would calling for their heads and pushing to completely blow up everything and start yet again from scratch. But, when given at least another season, the average win percentage for these coaches increased dramatically, to well over winning 50% of their games. Just imagine how many Superbowls, playoff appearances, Conference titles and division titles these teams would have lost out on if they had caved into pressure from their fans and shit-canned these coaches after only their second season, as many of the members on this board are wanting to happen to Pat Shurmur.
To further drive my point home, lets sharpen the focus to just the AFC North teams. For this, I compiled a list of the head coaches and their win-loss records and percentages from all the AFC North teams from 1999-2011. I also compared the accomplishments of the teams during those 13 seasons. The results were quite sobering:
AFC NORTH HEAD COACHING RECORDS, 1999-2011
Pittsburgh Steelers: (133-74-1, .642 win %) AFC North Championships: 5x, AFC Central Championships: 1x, Postseason Appearances: 8x, AFC Championships: 3x, Super Bowl Championships: 2x
Bill Cower (1999-2006): 78-49-1, .613, AFC North Championships: 2x, AFC Central Championships: 1x, Postseason appearances: 4x, AFC championships: 1x, Superbowls: 1x
Mike Tomlin (2007-Present): 55-25, .688, AFC North Championships: 3x, Postseason appearances: 4x, AFC Championships: 2x, Superbowls: 1x
Baltimore Ravens: (124-84, .596 win %) AFC North Championships: 3x, Postseason Appearances: 8x, AFC Championships: 1x, Super Bowl Championships: 1x
Brian Billick (1999-2007): 80-64, .556, AFC North Championships: 2x, Postseason appearances: 4x, AFC Championships: 1x, Superbowls: 1x
John Harbaugh (2008-Present): 44-20, .688, AFC North Championships: 1x, Postseason appearances: 4x
Cincinnati Bengals: (85-122-1, .411 win %) AFC North Championships: 2x, Postseason Appearances: 3x
Dick LeBeau (1999-2002): 16-48, .250
Marvin Lewis (2003-Present): 69-74-1, .483 AFC North Championships: 2, Postseason appearances: 3
Cleveland Browns: (68-140, .327 win %) Postseason Appearances: 1x
Chris Palmer (1999-2000
5-27, .156Butch Davis (2001-2004): 24-34, .414, Postseason appearances: 1x
Terry Robiskie (2004 (Interm)): 1-5, .167
Romeo Crennel (2005-2008): 24-40, .375
Eric Mangini (2009-2010): 10-22, .313
Pat Shurmur (2011-Present): 4-12, .250
As you can see, despite having only two head coaches per team in the 13 seasons since Cleveland returned to the NFL, Pittsburgh, Baltimore and Cincinnati have managed to throughly outclass and outperform our team in almost every way possible. In the past 13 seasons, we've had SIX head coaches and all we have to show for it is one playoff appearance. Of course, many other factors including player talent and management must be factored into these numbers, but I believe that this conclusively shows the detrimental effect of blowing up our franchise and starting over with a new head coach every 2 or 3 seasons has on our team. It completely underminds the stability needed to produce championship caliber teams and leaves us with a laughing stock of a team every year.
If I was Jimmy Haslam, for my money, I would hang on to Pat Shurmur. Has he made mistakes? Sure. Does he sometimes appear lost, or confused? Yes. But does that mean we should just throw in the towel on yet another coach after only 16 games and start all over again, or should we just take a step back, breathe, and let Shurmur develop and grow with his team? I say let the man do his job. You never know, odds are, if given the chance, he might become one of the greatest and most successful coaches this team has ever had.
"That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidenceโ. - Christopher Hitchens "The universe is under no obligation to make sense to you". - Neil deGrasse Tyson -
jb86,
Good post.
Let's look a little at this. NO Coach can win without talent. We have really increased our talent level in the last 3 years, but it IS a very young talent base. They WILL & DO make many mistakes, but they ARE growing as a unit.
I am a huge Joe Haden Fan, but Shurmur showed me a LOT by removing Joe from a practice. It takes managerial strength to hold your BEST producers to the same standard as your LESSER producers & it must be that way if you are to have credibility with the entire TEAM, which is obviously larger than any individual. I know I'm in the minority here, but I believe Pat Shurmur can be a damn fine NFL Coach. I would like to see him grow here in Cleveland. If I'm wrong, go ahead & berate me for that, but not this year....it's simply not enough time. Keep in mind that these young men ARE playing hard. How often have we been able to say that since 1999?
Mike
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Formerly Sane said:
...And then the organization IS NOT WILLING TO GIVE THE GUY THE TIME IT REQUIRES to take a franchise with zero foundation to competitiveness.
This is what I believe is our team's biggest flaw: stability at key positions. Especially at the head coach position. The Cleveland Browns' management, and to some extent the fans, do not allow the head coaches we bring in the time to properly mature and develop into a competitive coach along with the team they are building. New head coaches are not so different from rookie players in the fact that they are more likely to grow and adapt to the game when given multiple seasons to do so. When it comes to our team, we are stuck in a cycle of blowing things up and rebuilding from scratch every 2-3 years, and we never seem to get anywhere.
Just for shits and giggles, and because I have a moderate case of OCD, I compiled statistics from some of the most successful head coaches in NFL history, comparing their win-loss records from their first 2 years of being a head coach, and compared it to their win-loss records from their third year of being head coach, to see if my theory was correct. This is by no means a complete list, with every single head coach from the modern era, but if you want to find out about any head coach to compare with this list, their statistics are not that hard to find:
HEAD COACH - WIN/LOSS RECORD and PERCENTAGE FOR YEARS 1 & 2 - WIN/LOSS RECORD and PERCENTAGE FOR YEAR 3
1) Andy Reid: 16-16, .500, 11-5, .688
2) Marty Schottenheimer: 12-12, .500, 12-4, .750
3) Brian Billick: 20-12, .625, 10-6, .625
4) Jeff Fisher: 8-14, .364, 8-8, .500
5) Mike Shanahan: 8-12, .400, 8-8, .500
6) Dan Reeves: 12-13, .480, 9-7, .563
7) Mike Holmgren: 18-14, .563, 9-7, .563
Mike Ditka: 11-14, .440, 10-6, .6259) Dick Vermeil: 9-19, .474, 9-7, .563
10) Tony Dungy: 16-16, .500, 8-8, .500
11) Bill Cowher: 20-12, .625, 12-4, .750
12) Tom Coughlin: 13-19, .406, 11-5, .688
13) Jimmy Johnson: 8-24, .250, 11-5, .688
14) Bill Parcells: 12-19-1, .391, 10-6, .625
15) Joe Gibbs, 16-9, .640, 14-2, .875
16) Bill Walsh: 8-24, .250, 13-3, .812
17) Chuck Noll: 6-22, .212, 6-8, .429
18) Bill Belichick: 13-19, .406, 7-9, .438
TOTALS, YEARS 1-2: (226-290-1), .438 win %
TOTALS, YEAR 3: (178-108), .622 win %
What these statistics show is that for the first two years of these coaches careers, they lost more than 50% of their games, with some of them not even winning a quarter of the played games. At this point, most of today's Browns fans would calling for their heads and pushing to completely blow up everything and start yet again from scratch. But, when given at least another season, the average win percentage for these coaches increased dramatically, to well over winning 50% of their games. Just imagine how many Superbowls, playoff appearances, Conference titles and division titles these teams would have lost out on if they had caved into pressure from their fans and shit-canned these coaches after only their second season, as many of the members on this board are wanting to happen to Pat Shurmur.
To further drive my point home, lets sharpen the focus to just the AFC North teams. For this, I compiled a list of the head coaches and their win-loss records and percentages from all the AFC North teams from 1999-2011. I also compared the accomplishments of the teams during those 13 seasons. The results were quite sobering:
AFC NORTH HEAD COACHING RECORDS, 1999-2011
Pittsburgh Steelers: (133-74-1, .642 win %) AFC North Championships: 5x, AFC Central Championships: 1x, Postseason Appearances: 8x, AFC Championships: 3x, Super Bowl Championships: 2x
Bill Cower (1999-2006): 78-49-1, .613, AFC North Championships: 2x, AFC Central Championships: 1x, Postseason appearances: 4x, AFC championships: 1x, Superbowls: 1x
Mike Tomlin (2007-Present): 55-25, .688, AFC North Championships: 3x, Postseason appearances: 4x, AFC Championships: 2x, Superbowls: 1x
Baltimore Ravens: (124-84, .596 win %) AFC North Championships: 3x, Postseason Appearances: 8x, AFC Championships: 1x, Super Bowl Championships: 1x
Brian Billick (1999-2007): 80-64, .556, AFC North Championships: 2x, Postseason appearances: 4x, AFC Championships: 1x, Superbowls: 1x
John Harbaugh (2008-Present): 44-20, .688, AFC North Championships: 1x, Postseason appearances: 4x
Cincinnati Bengals: (85-122-1, .411 win %) AFC North Championships: 2x, Postseason Appearances: 3x
Dick LeBeau (1999-2002): 16-48, .250
Marvin Lewis (2003-Present): 69-74-1, .483 AFC North Championships: 2, Postseason appearances: 3
Cleveland Browns: (68-140, .327 win %) Postseason Appearances: 1x
Chris Palmer (1999-2000
5-27, .156Butch Davis (2001-2004): 24-34, .414, Postseason appearances: 1x
Terry Robiskie (2004 (Interm)): 1-5, .167
Romeo Crennel (2005-2008): 24-40, .375
Eric Mangini (2009-2010): 10-22, .313
Pat Shurmur (2011-Present): 4-12, .250
As you can see, despite having only two head coaches per team in the 13 seasons since Cleveland returned to the NFL, Pittsburgh, Baltimore and Cincinnati have managed to throughly outclass and outperform our team in almost every way possible. In the past 13 seasons, we've had SIX head coaches and all we have to show for it is one playoff appearance. Of course, many other factors including player talent and management must be factored into these numbers, but I believe that this conclusively shows the detrimental effect of blowing up our franchise and starting over with a new head coach every 2 or 3 seasons has on our team. It completely underminds the stability needed to produce championship caliber teams and leaves us with a laughing stock of a team every year.
If I was Jimmy Haslam, for my money, I would hang on to Pat Shurmur. Has he made mistakes? Sure. Does he sometimes appear lost, or confused? Yes. But does that mean we should just throw in the towel on yet another coach after only 16 games and start all over again, or should we just take a step back, breathe, and let Shurmur develop and grow with his team? I say let the man do his job. You never know, odds are, if given the chance, he might become one of the greatest and most successful coaches this team has ever had.
TOTALS, YEAR 3: (178-108), .622 win %[/b]
What these statistics show is that for the first two years of these coaches careers, they lost more than 50% of their games, with some of them not even winning a quarter of the played games. At this point, most of today's Browns fans would calling for their heads and pushing to completely blow up everything and start yet again from scratch. But, when given at least another season, the average win percentage for these coaches increased dramatically, to well over winning 50% of their games. Just imagine how many Superbowls, playoff appearances, Conference titles and division titles these teams would have lost out on if they had caved into pressure from their fans and shit-canned these coaches after only their second season, as many of the members on this board are wanting to happen to Pat Shurmur.
To further drive my point home, lets sharpen the focus to just the AFC North teams. For this, I compiled a list of the head coaches and their win-loss records and percentages from all the AFC North teams from 1999-2011. I also compared the accomplishments of the teams during those 13 seasons. The results were quite sobering:
AFC NORTH HEAD COACHING RECORDS, 1999-2011
Pittsburgh Steelers: (133-74-1, .642 win %) AFC North Championships: 5x, AFC Central Championships: 1x, Postseason Appearances: 8x, AFC Championships: 3x, Super Bowl Championships: 2x
Bill Cower (1999-2006): 78-49-1, .613, AFC North Championships: 2x, AFC Central Championships: 1x, Postseason appearances: 4x, AFC championships: 1x, Superbowls: 1x
Mike Tomlin (2007-Present): 55-25, .688, AFC North Championships: 3x, Postseason appearances: 4x, AFC Championships: 2x, Superbowls: 1x
Baltimore Ravens: (124-84, .596 win %) AFC North Championships: 3x, Postseason Appearances: 8x, AFC Championships: 1x, Super Bowl Championships: 1x
Brian Billick (1999-2007): 80-64, .556, AFC North Championships: 2x, Postseason appearances: 4x, AFC Championships: 1x, Superbowls: 1x
John Harbaugh (2008-Present): 44-20, .688, AFC North Championships: 1x, Postseason appearances: 4x
Cincinnati Bengals: (85-122-1, .411 win %) AFC North Championships: 2x, Postseason Appearances: 3x
Dick LeBeau (1999-2002): 16-48, .250
Marvin Lewis (2003-Present): 69-74-1, .483 AFC North Championships: 2, Postseason appearances: 3
Cleveland Browns: (68-140, .327 win %) Postseason Appearances: 1x
Chris Palmer (1999-2000
5-27, .156Butch Davis (2001-2004): 24-34, .414, Postseason appearances: 1x
Terry Robiskie (2004 (Interm)): 1-5, .167
Romeo Crennel (2005-2008): 24-40, .375
Eric Mangini (2009-2010): 10-22, .313
Pat Shurmur (2011-Present): 4-12, .250
If I was Jimmy Haslam, for my money, I would hang on to Pat Shurmur. Has he made mistakes? Sure. Does he sometimes appear lost, or confused? Yes. But does that mean we should just throw in the towel on yet another coach after only 16 games and start all over again, or should we just take a step back, breathe, and let Shurmur develop and grow with his team? I say let the man do his job. You never know, odds are, if given the chance, he might become one of the greatest and most successful coaches this team has ever had.
I seriously doubt Shurmur has what it takes to be a successful HC in the NFL.
If you love stats- go post the records of NFL Head coaches that had lousy record their first couple of years- and continued to suck swampwater given multiple opportunities. Dave Shula, Jim Zorn, Denny Green, Mariucci anyone?
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