Haslem Interview
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I say October 17th Holmgren and Shurmer are gone, I would let Ray Rhodes coach it out till the end of the year and his buddy from the Eagles ( I forget his name right now ) takes over as President. Only thing that changes that is we win every game from now till then, and I'm not sure that will even help.
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If he doesn't clean house then he wasted a cool billion...
Maybe, maybe not, but he doesn't have to make any moves before seasons end. In some ways, it makes sense for him to let it play out. That way people can't claim he made knee jerk decisions.
This is non Holmgren.....he's out. That's pretty clear to me. I am talking more about Shurmer and Heckert.
The only thing that might change this is if Juaron or Childress is a possible candidate to replace Shurmer. Then we might see a change, say around week 12-13 to give them a 3-4 game audition.
If that works, then Heck might be safe as that would indicate it was more a coaching problem over a talent problem.
We are already seeing some jockeying by Shurmer with his statement that if Little can't catch, we can't play him. A clear maneuver that coaching isn't the problem....bad players is the problem.....look at Heckert, he is the guy giving him the players.
Maybe, maybe not, but he doesn't have to make any moves before seasons end. In some ways, it makes sense for him to let it play out. That way people can't claim he made knee jerk decisions.
This is non Holmgren.....he's out. That's pretty clear to me. I am talking more about Shurmer and Heckert.
The only thing that might change this is if Juaron or Childress is a possible candidate to replace Shurmer. Then we might see a change, say around week 12-13 to give them a 3-4 game audition.
If that works, then Heck might be safe as that would indicate it was more a coaching problem over a talent problem.
We are already seeing some jockeying by Shurmer with his statement that if Little can't catch, we can't play him. A clear maneuver that coaching isn't the problem....bad players is the problem.....look at Heckert, he is the guy giving him the players.
I personally would NOT be in favor of either Chili or Jauron becoming HC of the Browns. And I don't see the point of getting rid of an HC and putting in an interim.....unless you do plan to make that interim the HC.
The only time in history...Browns anyway...where that worked was when Marty took over for Sam.
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I say October 17th Holmgren and Shurmer are gone, I would let Ray Rhodes coach it out till the end of the year and his buddy from the Eagles ( I forget his name right now ) takes over as President. Only thing that changes that is we win every game from now till then, and I'm not sure that will even help.
I say October 17th Holmgren and Shurmer are gone, I would let Ray Rhodes coach it out till the end of the year and his buddy from the Eagles ( I forget his name right now ) takes over as President. Only thing that changes that is we win every game from now till then, and I'm not sure that will even help.
Where is Ray Rhodes these days? He seemed like a decent coach in the past.
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We are 9-26 since Mike Holmgren took over, if he doesn't fire him the minute he takes over control then I am going to lose respect for him from the get-go.
If the team starts to play better and wants to let Shurmur to coach out the schedule, that is one thing. If he thinks Heckert's as good at his job as other guys that are available, that's another thing.
But Fat Fuck Holmgren needs to go. He is responsible for the overall culture of the franchise ... and it is a very bad one.
I would imagine the fact the Jim Brown is sitting next to Jimmy in the owners booth means Fat Fuck is already gone.
Zombo
Zombo said:
We are 9-26 since Mike Holmgren took over, if he doesn't fire him the minute he takes over control then I am going to lose respect for him from the get-go.
If the team starts to play better and wants to let Shurmur to coach out the schedule, that is one thing. If he thinks Heckert's as good at his job as other guys that are available, that's another thing.
But Fat Fuck Holmgren needs to go. He is responsible for the overall culture of the franchise ... and it is a very bad one.
I would imagine the fact the Jim Brown is sitting next to Jimmy in the owners booth means Fat Fuck is already gone.
Zombo
What I think would happen Z is that there would be no annoucement before the end of the season that Holmgren has been let go...but there could be a de facto turnover. Holmgren will be allowed to go gracefully in that he will still have the title, but they will transition over to whomever JH puts in charge by the end of the season. (Banner?)
Haslam seems class act, so I don't think he will want to embarass Holmgren by publicly canning him. He will be eased out ever so softly and subtlely.
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I say October 17th Holmgren and Shurmer are gone, I would let Ray Rhodes coach it out till the end of the year and his buddy from the Eagles ( I forget his name right now ) takes over as President. Only thing that changes that is we win every game from now till then, and I'm not sure that will even help.
Where is Ray Rhodes these days? He seemed like a decent coach in the past.
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If he doesn't clean house then he wasted a cool billion...
Maybe, maybe not, but he doesn't have to make any moves before seasons end. In some ways, it makes sense for him to let it play out. That way people can't claim he made knee jerk decisions.
This is non Holmgren.....he's out. That's pretty clear to me. I am talking more about Shurmer and Heckert.
The only thing that might change this is if Juaron or Childress is a possible candidate to replace Shurmer. Then we might see a change, say around week 12-13 to give them a 3-4 game audition.
If that works, then Heck might be safe as that would indicate it was more a coaching problem over a talent problem.
We are already seeing some jockeying by Shurmer with his statement that if Little can't catch, we can't play him. A clear maneuver that coaching isn't the problem....bad players is the problem.....look at Heckert, he is the guy giving him the players.
Maybe, maybe not, but he doesn't have to make any moves before seasons end. In some ways, it makes sense for him to let it play out. That way people can't claim he made knee jerk decisions.
This is non Holmgren.....he's out. That's pretty clear to me. I am talking more about Shurmer and Heckert.
The only thing that might change this is if Juaron or Childress is a possible candidate to replace Shurmer. Then we might see a change, say around week 12-13 to give them a 3-4 game audition.
If that works, then Heck might be safe as that would indicate it was more a coaching problem over a talent problem.
We are already seeing some jockeying by Shurmer with his statement that if Little can't catch, we can't play him. A clear maneuver that coaching isn't the problem....bad players is the problem.....look at Heckert, he is the guy giving him the players.
The problem as I see it is Shurmur is a horrible gameday coach in playcalling, down and distance, clock management- and he's too arrogant to admit he sucks at it, and hand the reins over to Childress in that department. Seriously- what was the sense in bringing Brad in if Shurms was still going to call the plays?
Well, he's going down with the ship. He loses the next three (likely) he's done in my book. If not on October 17th, certainly at the bye week- doubly if the Browns are still winless at that time
And a +1 on Z's comment about Holmgren. Whiffed on McCoy- and then did a desperation pick of Weeden. Thought a WCO would work in Cleveland. The best GMs fit their scheme to the players they have not try and pound square pegs into round holes. We've been down that road before, and it doesn't work.
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I for one hated it when the Browns hired Mangini, but after watching him coach the Browns for a couple of years, I liked what I seen from him. If fat ass wouldn't have fired him to bring in his buddy, in my opinion the team would be winning games this year. Lets bring back MANGINI!
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Did anyone hear the Haslem interview during the game Sunday? I didn't realize that there is has to me am owners vote yet for the finalizing of the sale of the team to him(I believe they said the vote is in 2 weeks?), so at this point if he wanted to make changes, he can't. So right now we are in a "sit and watch" horrible football mode it seems. He was asked if he was going to make any changes and he stated probably not seeing that it was in the middle of the season. Apparently he sat in the Dawg pound during one of the preseason games and says that he now understands how important football is to this town and how great the fans are and he vowed to make this team competitive again and would renew that rivalry with the Squealers again.
I really like what he said(although it was a very short interview) and hopefully he is going to do what he says and does it in a QUICK fashion.
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Maybe, maybe not, but he doesn't have to make any moves before seasons end. In some ways, it makes sense for him to let it play out. That way people can't claim he made knee jerk decisions.
This is non Holmgren.....he's out. That's pretty clear to me. I am talking more about Shurmer and Heckert.
The only thing that might change this is if Juaron or Childress is a possible candidate to replace Shurmer. Then we might see a change, say around week 12-13 to give them a 3-4 game audition.
If that works, then Heck might be safe as that would indicate it was more a coaching problem over a talent problem.
We are already seeing some jockeying by Shurmer with his statement that if Little can't catch, we can't play him. A clear maneuver that coaching isn't the problem....bad players is the problem.....look at Heckert, he is the guy giving him the players.
The problem as I see it is Shurmur is a horrible gameday coach in playcalling, down and distance, clock management- and he's too arrogant to admit he sucks at it, and hand the reins over to Childress in that department. Seriously- what was the sense in bringing Brad in if Shurms was still going to call the plays?
Well, he's going down with the ship. He loses the next three (likely) he's done in my book. If not on October 17th, certainly at the bye week- doubly if the Browns are still winless at that time
And a +1 on Z's comment about Holmgren. Whiffed on McCoy- and then did a desperation pick of Weeden. Thought a WCO would work in Cleveland. The best GMs fit their scheme to the players they have not try and pound square pegs into round holes. We've been down that road before, and it doesn't work.
The problem as I see it is Shurmur is a horrible gameday coach in playcalling, down and distance, clock management- and he's too arrogant to admit he sucks at it, and hand the reins over to Childress in that department. Seriously- what was the sense in bringing Brad in if Shurms was still going to call the plays?
Well, he's going down with the ship. He loses the next three (likely) he's done in my book. If not on October 17th, certainly at the bye week- doubly if the Browns are still winless at that time
And a +1 on Z's comment about Holmgren. Whiffed on McCoy- and then did a desperation pick of Weeden. Thought a WCO would work in Cleveland. The best GMs fit their scheme to the players they have not try and pound square pegs into round holes. We've been down that road before, and it doesn't work.
I truly think if we're winless or even with 1 win by October 16th that he's almost going to have to do something. Maybe it's just a simple move of dumping Holmgren which really wouldn't have any effect on the season but would position him to bring in his own guy in that role. Firing the coach mid season doesn't work unless he's convinced Jauron or Childress or Rhodes is the guy to be the next coach but I imagine with a billion dollar investment, he's going to want his own guys throughout the organization.
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The problem as I see it is Shurmur is a horrible gameday coach in playcalling, down and distance, clock management- and he's too arrogant to admit he sucks at it, and hand the reins over to Childress in that department. Seriously- what was the sense in bringing Brad in if Shurms was still going to call the plays?
Well, he's going down with the ship. He loses the next three (likely) he's done in my book. If not on October 17th, certainly at the bye week- doubly if the Browns are still winless at that time
And a +1 on Z's comment about Holmgren. Whiffed on McCoy- and then did a desperation pick of Weeden. Thought a WCO would work in Cleveland. The best GMs fit their scheme to the players they have not try and pound square pegs into round holes. We've been down that road before, and it doesn't work.
I truly think if we're winless or even with 1 win by October 16th that he's almost going to have to do something. Maybe it's just a simple move of dumping Holmgren which really wouldn't have any effect on the season but would position him to bring in his own guy in that role. Firing the coach mid season doesn't work unless he's convinced Jauron or Childress or Rhodes is the guy to be the next coach but I imagine with a billion dollar investment, he's going to want his own guys throughout the organization.
I truly think if we're winless or even with 1 win by October 16th that he's almost going to have to do something. Maybe it's just a simple move of dumping Holmgren which really wouldn't have any effect on the season but would position him to bring in his own guy in that role. Firing the coach mid season doesn't work unless he's convinced Jauron or Childress or Rhodes is the guy to be the next coach but I imagine with a billion dollar investment, he's going to want his own guys throughout the organization.
My feelings with bringing in Rhodes is just to send a message and change the thinking. If your still win less by the 17th then the seasons garbage and with an interm coach other prospects won't have to tippy toe about the job in respect to the guy who hasn't been fired yet.
You've got to let them know "JIMMIES IN DA HOUSE! "
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All I want to see is this team be relevant again. Whatever that takes, watching THIS product has been brutal. I do agree with several posters that the coaching and playcalling is worse than the players we have. At least we have a few that will transition good. I just don't see this going on much longer than Oct 16th... Make us YOUR team Jimmy...PLEASE!!!
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