Brandon Weeden Report Card- Week 4
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Zombo said:
Last year we a QB with a minor league arm that threw everything behind the receivers. It was painful.
Colt threw for 250 yards once all of last year. Weeden has thrown for over 320 yards twice already this year against tough AFC North defenses.
Same guy is calling the plays. We're just moving the football a lot better. Just imagine when theys guys mature, we may have a real NFL ofhigh-powered offense ... that was never going to happen with Colt.
Zombo
Weeden has some makings of being Very good, but until he manages to get himself up into mid level on the following Stats,
Comp % 26th, Int 32nd , Avg Yds/Att 29th, QB Rating 30th
throwing for 4000yds wont make a single bit of difference. He came into the league with a supposed very good accuracy and completions, few maybe can be put down to our WR drops again, but the majority of his passes that arent completed are still bad throws from BW.
Like Roach says will you be praising him throwing for 4000+ yds if he has thrown 12td and 28Int and we are 0-16 of course you wont, which is what at the moment he is on course to do.
I do hope he sorts out Int's and gets better with completing more passes, just something about BW I dont like personally as a QB think he could be good with few improvements. Just things like after the defeat against Buffalo with him coming out and saying he played Solid, then couple days later changing his mind to appease the flak he was getting just grinds on me a lot. He is too self absorbed for my liking being honest. But in the end if he comes through for us and wins us games next year when he has had chance to learn and smooth off the rough edges I'm all in with Weeden, just time will tell.
Weeden has some makings of being Very good, but until he manages to get himself up into mid level on the following Stats,
Comp % 26th, Int 32nd , Avg Yds/Att 29th, QB Rating 30th
throwing for 4000yds wont make a single bit of difference. He came into the league with a supposed very good accuracy and completions, few maybe can be put down to our WR drops again, but the majority of his passes that arent completed are still bad throws from BW.
Like Roach says will you be praising him throwing for 4000+ yds if he has thrown 12td and 28Int and we are 0-16 of course you wont, which is what at the moment he is on course to do.
I do hope he sorts out Int's and gets better with completing more passes, just something about BW I dont like personally as a QB think he could be good with few improvements. Just things like after the defeat against Buffalo with him coming out and saying he played Solid, then couple days later changing his mind to appease the flak he was getting just grinds on me a lot. He is too self absorbed for my liking being honest. But in the end if he comes through for us and wins us games next year when he has had chance to learn and smooth off the rough edges I'm all in with Weeden, just time will tell.
As I said ... Interceptions are to be excpected when you have a rookie QB in his first four games throwing to inexperienced receivers for the most part. Peyton Manning threw a ton of INTs his first year, most of them do.
What I would expect is for the interceptions to decrease as experience sets in, and for accuracy numbers go up if receivers start making better plays.
He can put the ball wherever you need it, and he is only going to get better.
Colt does not have that kind of upside. Colt can not pass a football like Weeden.
Yes, he's making mistakes, yes, we're losing. But if you are not encouraged by the way he throws that ball around the field, as opposed to what we were stuck with that past two years, I don't know what to tell you.
Zombo
--Here's what we had on the field Thursday against Ravens
Weeden ROOKIE
Richardson ROOKIE
Little 2nd YEAR
Benjamin ROOKIE
Gordon ROOKIE
Watson VETERAN
Cameron 2nd YEAR
There will be mistakes, you have to be patient. But the talent level on this team is increasing ... and they will get better I promise you that.
Colt McCoy is what he is ... these guys can be really, really good.
Zombo
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whatever dude.
can we call it a man crush like you would do if someone was giving a rim job like you do to weeden every week?
yeah he's our qb and i'll support him BUT PLEEZ ....you never gave the same support to our qb last year as you do a guy that looks like howdie doodie and at times has the hollowed out head brains of the dummy too.
right or wrong he's our starter but don't start flaming on some guy that shows more character, leadership, ball control and fire when he's in the game than some retread of DA.
splitting hairs on players' talent and upside is great cannon fodder for fans of the same team who choose to disagree with others but how do you really know that our record would be the same with the other guy in there? yeah weeden has an arm, so does lou ferrigno. betcha weeden sounds as dumb as that half deaf dolt in the huddle. yeah he threw for 320 last week and threw 52 times. his completion % is just over 50 and he has 3 tds compared to 7 ints. that's what probowlers are made of huh?
watch any college football lately? how's that big 12 doing? yeah, they got some tough defenses over there........ NOT!. 70 points in a win? HA! and this is the pool of qbs we've picked from in the last 3 years? these guys wouldn't know how to read a defense if it was taped inside their eyelids.
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The only thing I'm afraid of with Weeden is by the time we get it together and ready to make the playoffs in 14' or 15' he's going to be too old or give us one or two good playoff pushes (that'll take us to 17') and then we are having to look at blowing up the QB position again.
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Agreed, if we build the rest of the team, Weeden will look a lot better as a result too. Threw for 320 against the ravens at their stadium, not to mention in the rain.
Agreed, if we build the rest of the team, Weeden will look a lot better as a result too. Threw for 320 against the ravens at their stadium, not to mention in the rain.
yeah. welcome to the party pal. we've been saying that about every qb since kosar. sorry you were just a thigh wipe and didn't get to actually see a decent browns squad.
good luck to ever seeing one.
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whatever dude.
can we call it a man crush like you would do if someone was giving a rim job like you do to weeden every week?
yeah he's our qb and i'll support him BUT PLEEZ ....you never gave the same support to our qb last year as you do a guy that looks like howdie doodie and at times has the hollowed out head brains of the dummy too.
right or wrong he's our starter but don't start flaming on some guy that shows more character, leadership, ball control and fire when he's in the game than some retread of DA.
splitting hairs on players' talent and upside is great cannon fodder for fans of the same team who choose to disagree with others but how do you really know that our record would be the same with the other guy in there? yeah weeden has an arm, so does lou ferrigno. betcha weeden sounds as dumb as that half deaf dolt in the huddle. yeah he threw for 320 last week and threw 52 times. his completion % is just over 50 and he has 3 tds compared to 7 ints. that's what probowlers are made of huh?
watch any college football lately? how's that big 12 doing? yeah, they got some tough defenses over there........ NOT!. 70 points in a win? HA! and this is the pool of qbs we've picked from in the last 3 years? these guys wouldn't know how to read a defense if it was taped inside their eyelids.
whatever dude.
....you never gave the same support to our qb last year
That's because I don't think he's very good, nor is he a good long term fit at the position.
He is small, and small-armed, and consistently throws behind receivers. With his arm, he needs to be extremely accurate to make it as a starter in the NFL, and he's not.
Zombo
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whatever dude.
can we call it a man crush like you would do if someone was giving a rim job like you do to weeden every week?
yeah he's our qb and i'll support him BUT PLEEZ ....you never gave the same support to our qb last year as you do a guy that looks like howdie doodie and at times has the hollowed out head brains of the dummy too.
right or wrong he's our starter but don't start flaming on some guy that shows more character, leadership, ball control and fire when he's in the game than some retread of DA.
splitting hairs on players' talent and upside is great cannon fodder for fans of the same team who choose to disagree with others but how do you really know that our record would be the same with the other guy in there? yeah weeden has an arm, so does lou ferrigno. betcha weeden sounds as dumb as that half deaf dolt in the huddle. yeah he threw for 320 last week and threw 52 times. his completion % is just over 50 and he has 3 tds compared to 7 ints. that's what probowlers are made of huh?
watch any college football lately? how's that big 12 doing? yeah, they got some tough defenses over there........ NOT!. 70 points in a win? HA! and this is the pool of qbs we've picked from in the last 3 years? these guys wouldn't know how to read a defense if it was taped inside their eyelids.
whatever dude.
can we call it a man crush like you would do if someone was giving a rim job like you do to weeden every week?
yeah he's our qb and i'll support him BUT PLEEZ ....you never gave the same support to our qb last year as you do a guy that looks like howdie doodie and at times has the hollowed out head brains of the dummy too.
right or wrong he's our starter but don't start flaming on some guy that shows more character, leadership, ball control and fire when he's in the game than some retread of DA.
splitting hairs on players' talent and upside is great cannon fodder for fans of the same team who choose to disagree with others but how do you really know that our record would be the same with the other guy in there? yeah weeden has an arm, so does lou ferrigno. betcha weeden sounds as dumb as that half deaf dolt in the huddle. yeah he threw for 320 last week and threw 52 times. his completion % is just over 50 and he has 3 tds compared to 7 ints. that's what probowlers are made of huh?
watch any college football lately? how's that big 12 doing? yeah, they got some tough defenses over there........ NOT!. 70 points in a win? HA! and this is the pool of qbs we've picked from in the last 3 years? these guys wouldn't know how to read a defense if it was taped inside their eyelids.
Didn't RG3 play in the same conference?
I don't hear people complaining about RG3 putting up good numbers against the Big 12.
Didn't Colt also play in the Big 12?
What point were you trying to make?
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We could have the best running back in the league. Instead, D's are stacking the line because they know Weeden sucks. Great, 4000yds and 40-50 passes a game. Enjoy the 2-14 record. Idiots
Chickenwang said:
We could have the best running back in the league. Instead, D's are stacking the line because they know Weeden sucks. Great, 4000yds and 40-50 passes a game. Enjoy the 2-14 record. Idiots
yeah, because the receivers arent KILLING the team. its all weeden. Thats why in his press conference last week, shurmur was saying that if weeden didnt start throwing better balls he was going to bench little.
Do you even THINK before you type or is it all finger fuck then think later.
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whatever dude.
can we call it a man crush like you would do if someone was giving a rim job like you do to weeden every week?
yeah he's our qb and i'll support him BUT PLEEZ ....you never gave the same support to our qb last year as you do a guy that looks like howdie doodie and at times has the hollowed out head brains of the dummy too.
right or wrong he's our starter but don't start flaming on some guy that shows more character, leadership, ball control and fire when he's in the game than some retread of DA.
splitting hairs on players' talent and upside is great cannon fodder for fans of the same team who choose to disagree with others but how do you really know that our record would be the same with the other guy in there? yeah weeden has an arm, so does lou ferrigno. betcha weeden sounds as dumb as that half deaf dolt in the huddle. yeah he threw for 320 last week and threw 52 times. his completion % is just over 50 and he has 3 tds compared to 7 ints. that's what probowlers are made of huh?
watch any college football lately? how's that big 12 doing? yeah, they got some tough defenses over there........ NOT!. 70 points in a win? HA! and this is the pool of qbs we've picked from in the last 3 years? these guys wouldn't know how to read a defense if it was taped inside their eyelids.
Didn't RG3 play in the same conference?
I don't hear people complaining about RG3 putting up good numbers against the Big 12.
Didn't Colt also play in the Big 12?
What point were you trying to make?
Didn't RG3 play in the same conference?
I don't hear people complaining about RG3 putting up good numbers against the Big 12.
Didn't Colt also play in the Big 12?
What point were you trying to make?
i'm saying both our #1 and 2 qbs are both from that same conference, come from the same type of spread offense and never saw a top ten defense in their collegiate career. i wasn't complaining about any qb putting up any type of #'s rg3, weeden or mccoy....just saying that conference sure as hell isn't known for any type of defense (at least lately).
so like RG3, weeden or mccoy to line up over the center is a change to their wide open spread offense.
the #'s aren't all there for any of these guys yet to get criticized one way or another. i just pointed out to you that the browns weren't getting blown out when mccoy was starting as well. and if you think about it i would say the defense had more to say about those qb stats than our inept offense.
you know how i feel about both these guys. weeden has the bigger arm. mccoy has the bigger heart. though playing in the spread in college they are 2 completely different qbs. mccoy better suited for a quick slant wco, weeden more pro style down the field guy. take your pick. weeden is starting. great i support him. now can he get us a win?
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LOL. I never heard that kind of support last year while our receivers led the NFL in drops. I hope Weeden wins a game as he goes on to break 4,000 yards.
Last year we a QB with a minor league arm that threw everything behind the receivers. It was painful.
Colt threw for 250 yards once all of last year. Weeden has thrown for over 320 yards twice already this year against tough AFC North defenses.
Same guy is calling the plays. We're just moving the football a lot better. Just imagine when theys guys mature, we may have a real NFL high-powered offense ... that was never going to happen with Colt.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Colt threw for 250 yards once all of last year. Weeden has thrown for over 320 yards twice already this year against tough AFC North defenses.
I don't care if he averages 450 yards per game.
Here is the weird part. If Colt had the same weapons such as TR last year, we wouldn't have drafted high enough to draft TR.
You like height and arm strength, I like wins.
roach (based on your preferences, I'm sure you hated to see Paul McDonald go and hated Sipe)
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Zombo said:
Colt threw for 250 yards once all of last year. Weeden has thrown for over 320 yards twice already this year against tough AFC North defenses.
I don't care if he averages 450 yards per game.
Here is the weird part. If Colt had the same weapons such as TR last year, we wouldn't have drafted high enough to draft TR.
You like height and arm strength, I like wins.
roach (based on your preferences, I'm sure you hated to see Paul McDonald go and hated Sipe)
I don't care if he averages 450 yards per game.
Here is the weird part. If Colt had the same weapons such as TR last year, we wouldn't have drafted high enough to draft TR.
You like height and arm strength, I like wins.
roach (based on your preferences, I'm sure you hated to see Paul McDonald go and hated Sipe)
You like wins? Cool. Colt gave you 6 in his 21 starts that you can treasure forever.
I like guys that produce. Brian Siipe did, Paul McDonalx didn't. Colt McCoy couldn't, Brandon Weeden can.
We can sorround a mediocre Qb with weapons and use words like "moxie" and "spunky" or we can get real like Pit, Balt, and Cincy did and get a guy who can throw the ball all over the field.
And win.
Z
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I don't care if he averages 450 yards per game.
Here is the weird part. If Colt had the same weapons such as TR last year, we wouldn't have drafted high enough to draft TR.
You like height and arm strength, I like wins.
roach (based on your preferences, I'm sure you hated to see Paul McDonald go and hated Sipe)
You like wins? Cool. Colt gave you 6 in his 21 starts that you can treasure forever.
I like guys that produce. Brian Siipe did, Paul McDonalx didn't. Colt McCoy couldn't, Brandon Weeden can.
We can sorround a mediocre Qb with weapons and use words like "moxie" and "spunky" or we can get real like Pit, Balt, and Cincy did and get a guy who can throw the ball all over the field.
And win.
Z
Zombo said:
We can sorround a mediocre Qb with weapons and use words like "moxie" and "spunky" or we can get real like Pit, Balt, and Cincy did and get a guy who can throw the ball all over the field.
And win.
Z
LOL. Nobody has used words like moxie or spunky except you. What I know is that we were two errant Pontbriand snaps from 6 wins last year with a less powerful roster. I'm glad you are fulfilled.
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Last year is last year, you got to move on! Sure it would be nice to have a win or two right now. I agree with zombo 1000% , i see what we've got with weeden and he's only gonna get better! The wins will come and i think when they do start to come we will be seeing more W's than L's........ i like Colt, but Weeden can take the Browns places that colt could only dream about.
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Last year is last year, you got to move on! Sure it would be nice to have a win or two right now. I agree with zombo 1000% , i see what we've got with weeden and he's only gonna get better! The wins will come and i think when they do start to come we will be seeing more W's than L's........ i like Colt, but Weeden can take the Browns places that colt could only dream about.
Last year is last year, you got to move on! Sure it would be nice to have a win or two right now. I agree with zombo 1000% , i see what we've got with weeden and he's only gonna get better! T
Boy, Browns fans sure have changed. Most of us used to go into Sundays expecting a win. Now, many of us go into Sundays hoping to get "better." I miss the old days.
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Honestly with the way the season has looked I'm just hoping to go 4-12 and that's two wins against pittsburgh and 1 a piece between Cincy and B-More....that way when we switch over in ownership we hopefully end up with the #1 pick....Auction it off or take Geno Smith hope we really didn't screw ourselves missing out on RG3 and that he is the real deal......that's where my state of mind is don't put to much tread on T Rich but let the league know he is the real deal and we have a true blue chip back. Expect big things in the future the night is always darkest before the dawn
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Honestly with the way the season has looked I'm just hoping to go 4-12 and that's two wins against pittsburgh and 1 a piece between Cincy and B-More....that way when we switch over in ownership we hopefully end up with the #1 pick....Auction it off or take Geno Smith hope we really didn't screw ourselves missing out on RG3 and that he is the real deal......that's where my state of mind is don't put to much tread on T Rich but let the league know he is the real deal and we have a true blue chip back. Expect big things in the future the night is always darkest before the dawn
Honestly with the way the season has looked I'm just hoping to go 4-12 and that's two wins against pittsburgh and 1 a piece between Cincy and B-More....that way when we switch over in ownership we hopefully end up with the #1 pick....Auction it off or take Geno Smith hope we really didn't screw ourselves missing out on RG3 and that he is the real deal......that's where my state of mind is don't put to much tread on T Rich but let the league know he is the real deal and we have a true blue chip back. Expect big things in the future the night is always darkest before the dawn
What's this taking Geno Smith garbage?
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The guy is 4 games in to his NFL career. At this point I'd give him a A.
I really couldn't expect more....especially after the dud of an opening game. He could have folded, but he didn't. That shows me something.
I am comfortable in saying that as he continues to improve, and he will as he gains more experience, Weeden will be our QB the next 7-9 years.
Yep, it would be nice to say the next 10-12 years, but it is what it is...and it's been a long time since we have had a QB we could ride for 7 or so seasons, so I am good with that.
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Honestly with the way the season has looked I'm just hoping to go 4-12 and that's two wins against pittsburgh and 1 a piece between Cincy and B-More....that way when we switch over in ownership we hopefully end up with the #1 pick....Auction it off or take Geno Smith hope we really didn't screw ourselves missing out on RG3 and that he is the real deal......that's where my state of mind is don't put to much tread on T Rich but let the league know he is the real deal and we have a true blue chip back. Expect big things in the future the night is always darkest before the dawn
What's this taking Geno Smith garbage?
What's this taking Geno Smith garbage?
I think he continues to light it up this season and ends up vaulting to the first pick in the draft next season after winning the Heisman and putting up some serious numbers...Im personally not sold on Weeden not saying he cant become a great QB i just dont see him as the guy to take the Browns to the Super Bowl and Win and thats all im looking for...
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This is what pretty much the constant carping about the QBs on this team sounds like to me:
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Last year is last year, you got to move on! Sure it would be nice to have a win or two right now. I agree with zombo 1000% , i see what we've got with weeden and he's only gonna get better! T
Boy, Browns fans sure have changed. Most of us used to go into Sundays expecting a win. Now, many of us go into Sundays hoping to get "better." I miss the old days.
Boy, Browns fans sure have changed. Most of us used to go into Sundays expecting a win. Now, many of us go into Sundays hoping to get "better." I miss the old days.
There is nothing unreasonable about people managing their expectations about this team. It is the fans who cry about blowing the team up after a developmental year like this one that contribute to a culture of losing. We are playing playoff caliber teams every week with 3-4 rookies starting on offense and 5-6 rookies contributing heavily. Please keep things in perspective before damning the fans who actually pay enough attention to the game to see real improvement.
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Zombo said:
We can sorround a mediocre Qb with weapons and use words like "moxie" and "spunky" or we can get real like Pit, Balt, and Cincy did and get a guy who can throw the ball all over the field.
And win.
Z
LOL. Nobody has used words like moxie or spunky except you. What I know is that we were two errant Pontbriand snaps from 6 wins last year with a less powerful roster. I'm glad you are fulfilled.
LOL. Nobody has used words like moxie or spunky except you. What I know is that we were two errant Pontbriand snaps from 6 wins last year with a less powerful roster. I'm glad you are fulfilled.
Last year our defense ranked #10, this year we are #25 giving up over 400 yards per game.
If Weeden would get off the adderal, knock down some passes and make some tackles we might win more.
Colt's last two wins were 6-3 and 14-10.
I Guarantee the 2012 Weeden offense will win every game that we hold our opponents to 10 points or less.
Zombo
--Unless defense is not that important to you
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