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  • Mangini was horrible at drafting and an alright coach, also had a questionable philosophy at times but maybe it would work with elite players like most do. We need someone better than both Mangini and Shurmur.

  • BadNewsBrownsB BadNewsBrowns

    I liked Mangini as a coach I think he had them playing tough and disciplined, but man did he botch the hell out of that 09' draft.

    And the whole Kokinis thing, can only blame Lerner for all of that.

    @badnewsbrowns said:

    I liked Mangini as a coach I think he had them playing tough and disciplined, but man did he botch the hell out of that 09' draft.

    And the whole Kokinis thing, can only blame Lerner for all of that.

    what actually happened with Kokinis?

    Mangini had no business picking the players.

    "And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve."

  • Who knows?

    Normally I guess a GM would hire the coach but the coach hired the GM.

    According to Kokinis he did not have the authority his contract stipulated.

    So he sued the Browns for wrongful termination and it ended with both parties having a gag order.

    There were rumors of Kokinis and alcohol/drug issues and a police escort out of the building but who really knows what went on. Not sure why he was fired, I guess he tried to do his job and Mangini wasn't having it.

    "All Truth Passes Through Three stages. First, It Is Ridiculed, Second It Is Violently Opposed, And Third, It Is Accepted As Self-Evident" ~Arthur Schopenhauer

  • Kinda backwards having the coach hire the gm. But then again Lerner didn't hire the right guy EVER. At least he had the brain to sell.

    "And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve."
  • BadNewsBrownsB BadNewsBrowns

    I liked Mangini as a coach I think he had them playing tough and disciplined, but man did he botch the hell out of that 09' draft.

    And the whole Kokinis thing, can only blame Lerner for all of that.

    @badnewsbrowns said:

    I liked Mangini as a coach I think he had them playing tough and disciplined, but man did he botch the hell out of that 09' draft.

    And the whole Kokinis thing, can only blame Lerner for all of that.

    How about we just leave all those names off and just put "Lerner" as the only option?

    Lerner was responsible for the foulups of both the Mangini and Butch Davis regimes by requiring those two guys...who should have bee JUST coaches, run the franchise.

    Those two guys, imo, could have been good NFL coaches. But not GMs/Presidents/Heads of Player Acquisiton etc. etc. which they were allowed...or required to become.

  • Tim Couch

    Courtney Brown

    Gerard Warren

    William Green

    Jeff Faine

    Drafted 99-03

    As were these guys by our hated rival

    Troy Edwards

    Plaxico Burress

    Casey Hampton

    Kendall Simmons

    Troy Polamalu

    By far the worst

  • I could never vote for Shurmur, Heckert, and Holmgren just because of the drafting we've been doing. Other than that, yea it has been going the wrong way.

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  • They're all bad in their own ways.

  • H Hunt Daddy

    I could never vote for Shurmur, Heckert, and Holmgren just because of the drafting we've been doing. Other than that, yea it has been going the wrong way.

    @hunt-daddy said:

    I could never vote for Shurmur, Heckert, and Holmgren just because of the drafting we've been doing. Other than that, yea it has been going the wrong way.

    outside of a few 1st round picks and sheard, don't see how the drafting has been very good???

  • Mangini's real downfall was not firing Dabol.

  • @king-ghoolie-lives said:

    Someone asks you........

    You have to fuck one of these women

    Whoopie Goldberg

    Phyllis Diller

    Mya Angelou

    This is a meaningless choice. The poll is meaningless. How the fuck to you discern between who was the best............ of a bunch of fucking losers?

    Sorry, but this is idiotic.

    Yup, sort of like asking what kind of turd stinks the least.

    Incidentally, I'd only vote Heckert- because he's the only GM I've seen in recent history who hasn't drafted total busts on a regular basis. Holmgren and Shurmur can't get their walking papers soon enough IMHO. Contrast that with Chris Palmer, or Eric Mangini who (could) have been decent coaches but the FO was FUBAR.

  • hoortaH hoorta

    @king-ghoolie-lives said:

    Someone asks you........

    You have to fuck one of these women

    Whoopie Goldberg

    Phyllis Diller

    Mya Angelou

    This is a meaningless choice. The poll is meaningless. How the fuck to you discern between who was the best............ of a bunch of fucking losers?

    Sorry, but this is idiotic.

    Yup, sort of like asking what kind of turd stinks the least.

    Incidentally, I'd only vote Heckert- because he's the only GM I've seen in recent history who hasn't drafted total busts on a regular basis. Holmgren and Shurmur can't get their walking papers soon enough IMHO. Contrast that with Chris Palmer, or Eric Mangini who (could) have been decent coaches but the FO was FUBAR.

    @king-ghoolie-lives said:

    This is a meaningless choice. The poll is meaningless. How the fuck to you discern between who was the best............ of a bunch of fucking losers?

    @hoorta said:

    Yup, sort of like asking what kind of turd stinks the least.

    Obviously you read what you want to read. It's about who was the worst.

    @king-ghoolie-lives said:

    Sorry, but this is idiotic.

    Now ain't that the pot calling the kettle black.

    "All Truth Passes Through Three stages. First, It Is Ridiculed, Second It Is Violently Opposed, And Third, It Is Accepted As Self-Evident" ~Arthur Schopenhauer

  • My vote goes for the first staff of 1999.

    Instead of taking solid veteran starters in the expansion draft they took a bunch of no names.

    They drafted a QB with no offensive line and a horrible choice as coach.

    We could of hit the ground running and built a veteran team who were ready to win, instead they went the other route and tried to develop a rookie QB under horrible circumstances.

    It's not inconceivable to build a winner in 1-2 years, winning breeds winners and losing breeds losers.

    "All Truth Passes Through Three stages. First, It Is Ridiculed, Second It Is Violently Opposed, And Third, It Is Accepted As Self-Evident" ~Arthur Schopenhauer

  • @king-ghoolie-lives said:

    Someone asks you........

    You have to fuck one of these women

    Whoopie Goldberg

    Phyllis Diller

    Mya Angelou

    Whoopie Goldberg - Fuck

    Phyllis Diller - Kill

    Mya Angelou - Marry

    "That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidenceā€. - Christopher Hitchens "The universe is under no obligation to make sense to you". - Neil deGrasse Tyson

  • Every regime since 1999 has been a bad regime and it all comes back to the lerners being hands off owners, hopefully haslam wont bring us more of the same..

    We have been rebuilding since 1964, Why stop now? GO BROWNS!

  • Mike Brown is a hands on owner.

    So is Jerry Jones but the fact that that Dallas is a high profile market means there are extra incentives for players there.

    So that mirigates his stupidity.

    If we are going to start over every 2 years we will suck for ever.

    Who would have believed that Mike Holmgren would have been such a colossal failure?

    WSS

    www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons
  • W Westside Steve

    Mike Brown is a hands on owner.

    So is Jerry Jones but the fact that that Dallas is a high profile market means there are extra incentives for players there.

    So that mirigates his stupidity.

    If we are going to start over every 2 years we will suck for ever.

    Who would have believed that Mike Holmgren would have been such a colossal failure?

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    Mike Brown is a hands on owner.

    So is Jerry Jones but the fact that that Dallas is a high profile market means there are extra incentives for players there.

    So that mirigates his stupidity.

    If we are going to start over every 2 years we will suck for ever.

    Who would have believed that Mike Holmgren would have been such a colossal failure?

    WSS

    Actually it is not hard to believe. He was essentially a failure as an executive in Seattle. It was only when he gave that up to just coach that the Seahawks became decent.

    As a coach he is quite a success. As a GM/Exec. he is a two time failure.

    It just goes to show that sometimes people need to realize what they are good at and what they are not good at.

    Holmgren wanting to become a GM/President just because he was a good HC would be like you insisting on playing lead guitar just because you can sing and write music.

    You can play the guitar OK, but you can't match the likes of Bones, Russ, or even Marsek o lead. Fair to say?

  • I voted for PCP because they set the losing tone that the others were not able to overcome.

    But here's some separate awards:

    Worst President: Holmgren. Policy was fricking horrible, but at least that team peaked at 9-7 four years in, Holmgren is on an 11 game losing streak in his third year.

    Worst GM: Clark. Savage was no picnic, but he uncovered an occasional gem, Clark had a ton of draftpicks to work with and just grabbed mediocre players over and over.

    Worst Coach: Shurmur has lost 11 straight and is 0-8 in the division, he is on pace to be the worst coach in NFL history.

    Zombo

  • JibzJ Jibz

    Biggest error....losing mangini...felt like we were on theright track... who knows?

    @jibz said:

    Biggest error....losing mangini...felt like we were on theright track... who knows?

    Im with ya on that. Im probably in the minority when i say this but, I would be a happy fan if Haslem brought Mangini back. I really doubt that happens though for a number of reasons.

    !!!!hopefully i'll be alive when it happens!!!!

  • Oh I see your point Gipper but I don't recall hearing all that when we hired him.

    seems like after all that time in different positions he'd at least have a grasp of the game?

    WSS

    www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons
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