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  • Mark OM Mark O

    @baconhound said:

    Gruden won with Dungy's team and Baltimore was good under Shula

    Saban is a college guy and it is a different game in the NFL

    So was Jimmy Johnson...how did that work out for everyone in Dallas?

    @mark-o said:

    So was Jimmy Johnson...how did that work out for everyone in Dallas?

    Not saying it's impossible but recruiting in college is the name of the game, Saban isn't taking this years UTEP squad to a BCS game. Give him 5 years to recruit and they'd be good. Drafting and FA doesn't equate to recruiting. Also a kid who knows you may make or break his career might listen a bit more than a 5 year vet who earns more than you do and yields more power in the locker room. It could be done but it'd be tough...

    Oh and to match your sarcasm, how did Jimmy workout with the Dolphins?

  • B BaconHound

    @mark-o said:

    So was Jimmy Johnson...how did that work out for everyone in Dallas?

    Not saying it's impossible but recruiting in college is the name of the game, Saban isn't taking this years UTEP squad to a BCS game. Give him 5 years to recruit and they'd be good. Drafting and FA doesn't equate to recruiting. Also a kid who knows you may make or break his career might listen a bit more than a 5 year vet who earns more than you do and yields more power in the locker room. It could be done but it'd be tough...

    Oh and to match your sarcasm, how did Jimmy workout with the Dolphins?

    @baconhound said:

    Oh and to match your sarcasm, how did Jimmy workout with the Dolphins?

    Pretty much better than any season we've had since 1999....

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  • ballpeenB ballpeen

    @baconhound said:

    Gruden won with Dungy's team and Baltimore was good under Shula

    Saban is a college guy and it is a different game in the NFL

    Saban was our defensive coordinator and his uncle was Lou Saban, so he has NFL connections and understanding.

    I will say this....as fans, we think the NFL is the best job.....but as a coach, IMO...a big time college program is better than a NFL job.

    You have way more control. You pick the players and pretty much have them under your thumb for 3-4 years. The pay is very good, and most big time colleges are pretty places.

    I know most of you are from and live in Ohio, and have never been close to Tuscaloosa, Alabama and pretty much think it a hick town from a hick state, but I can tell you.....you would change your mind if you ever went there and spent a few days there...it's a great little college town.

    The culture might take a while, but soon enough you would be eating sausage gravy and biscuits for breakfast, with a side of grits over some bagel with a side of home fries.

    @ballpeen said:

    Saban was our defensive coordinator and his uncle was Lou Saban, so he has NFL connections and understanding.

    I will say this....as fans, we think the NFL is the best job.....but as a coach, IMO...a big time college program is better than a NFL job.

    You have way more control. You pick the players and pretty much have them under your thumb for 3-4 years. The pay is very good, and most big time colleges are pretty places.

    I actually completely agree. Being the BMOC as the head football coach of a top 10 program every year is about as good as it gets. That's the only reason why I think that a guy like Saban would say no to coming back to the NFL. He's already been there and it didn't work out all that well. Now he's the top dog of an amazing program that will be in the running for the national championship every year. What could be better?

    I think if Gruden ever comes back to coaching, it will also be for a college job.

  • Mark OM Mark O

    @baconhound said:

    Oh and to match your sarcasm, how did Jimmy workout with the Dolphins?

    Pretty much better than any season we've had since 1999....

    @mark-o said:

    Pretty much better than any season we've had since 1999....

    He inherited one of the best offenses in football at the time and was supposed to be a defensive genius. The Browns since 1999 have stunk in every facet of the game, except for Dawson.

  • B BaconHound

    @the-gipper said:

    That was under Lerner. Now Haslam is going to be owner. It all changes.

    Besides, the "greatest" coaches in history were guys that were either in their first gig somewhere or in their second gig where they didn't succeed before.

    Shula: started in Baltimore, ended up winning in Miami

    Belichick: we know all about him. Cleveland a failure, then success in NE

    Gruden: no dice in Oakland. Title winner in Tampa

    Dungy: no dice in Tampa, title in Indy.

    This is why I think a Nick Saban could very well be on Haslam's radar.

    Gruden won with Dungy's team and Baltimore was good under Shula

    Saban is a college guy and it is a different game in the NFL

    @baconhound said:

    Gruden won with Dungy's team and Baltimore was good under Shula

    Saban is a college guy and it is a different game in the NFL

    Saban has been an assistant coach, a defensive coordinator and a head coach in the NFL. So he is clearly NOT just a "college guy".

  • I will leave it up to the new owner. I hope he hires the right guy...

    Our coaches have been horrible since we came back into the league.

    The best was Mangini. I think if he had a good GM in place he could have been a good coach, 2nd would be Butch Davis. But non of these guys are THE guy..

    that is who we need, someone who will be THE guy..Hopefully he is hot..

  • ballpeenB ballpeen

    @baconhound said:

    Gruden won with Dungy's team and Baltimore was good under Shula

    Saban is a college guy and it is a different game in the NFL

    Saban was our defensive coordinator and his uncle was Lou Saban, so he has NFL connections and understanding.

    I will say this....as fans, we think the NFL is the best job.....but as a coach, IMO...a big time college program is better than a NFL job.

    You have way more control. You pick the players and pretty much have them under your thumb for 3-4 years. The pay is very good, and most big time colleges are pretty places.

    I know most of you are from and live in Ohio, and have never been close to Tuscaloosa, Alabama and pretty much think it a hick town from a hick state, but I can tell you.....you would change your mind if you ever went there and spent a few days there...it's a great little college town.

    The culture might take a while, but soon enough you would be eating sausage gravy and biscuits for breakfast, with a side of grits over some bagel with a side of home fries.

    @ballpeen said:

    Saban was our defensive coordinator and his uncle was Lou Saban, so he has NFL connections and understanding.

    I will say this....as fans, we think the NFL is the best job.....but as a coach, IMO...a big time college program is better than a NFL job.

    You have way more control. You pick the players and pretty much have them under your thumb for 3-4 years. The pay is very good, and most big time colleges are pretty places.

    I know most of you are from and live in Ohio, and have never been close to Tuscaloosa, Alabama and pretty much think it a hick town from a hick state, but I can tell you.....you would change your mind if you ever went there and spent a few days there...it's a great little college town.

    The culture might take a while, but soon enough you would be eating sausage gravy and biscuits for breakfast, with a side of grits over some bagel with a side of home fries.

    I don't doubt any of what you say, but for me I think it is more the professional challenge that the NFL would/could/should bring to Saban.

    Sure, OK, he may not want to abandon his hick lifestyle down there 😎 , and the control he has with a college program..but as far as I am concerned if that is what he chooses then he is choosing to just stagnate. On the other hand, yes, perhaps he can do what few others have done before: win a college national championship and an NFL title.

    Besides Paul Brown and Jimmy Johnson has anyone else ever done that?

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @ballpeen said:

    Saban was our defensive coordinator and his uncle was Lou Saban, so he has NFL connections and understanding.

    I will say this....as fans, we think the NFL is the best job.....but as a coach, IMO...a big time college program is better than a NFL job.

    You have way more control. You pick the players and pretty much have them under your thumb for 3-4 years. The pay is very good, and most big time colleges are pretty places.

    I know most of you are from and live in Ohio, and have never been close to Tuscaloosa, Alabama and pretty much think it a hick town from a hick state, but I can tell you.....you would change your mind if you ever went there and spent a few days there...it's a great little college town.

    The culture might take a while, but soon enough you would be eating sausage gravy and biscuits for breakfast, with a side of grits over some bagel with a side of home fries.

    I don't doubt any of what you say, but for me I think it is more the professional challenge that the NFL would/could/should bring to Saban.

    Sure, OK, he may not want to abandon his hick lifestyle down there 😎 , and the control he has with a college program..but as far as I am concerned if that is what he chooses then he is choosing to just stagnate. On the other hand, yes, perhaps he can do what few others have done before: win a college national championship and an NFL title.

    Besides Paul Brown and Jimmy Johnson has anyone else ever done that?

    @the-gipper said:

    I don't doubt any of what you say, but for me I think it is more the professional challenge that the NFL would/could/should bring to Saban.

    Sure, OK, he may not want to abandon his hick lifestyle down there 😎 , and the control he has with a college program..but as far as I am concerned if that is what he chooses then he is choosing to just stagnate. On the other hand, yes, perhaps he can do what few others have done before: win a college national championship and an NFL title.

    Besides Paul Brown and Jimmy Johnson has anyone else ever done that?

    If i am not miss take the great Barry Switzer?

  • WRREBELW WRREBEL

    @the-gipper said:

    I don't doubt any of what you say, but for me I think it is more the professional challenge that the NFL would/could/should bring to Saban.

    Sure, OK, he may not want to abandon his hick lifestyle down there 😎 , and the control he has with a college program..but as far as I am concerned if that is what he chooses then he is choosing to just stagnate. On the other hand, yes, perhaps he can do what few others have done before: win a college national championship and an NFL title.

    Besides Paul Brown and Jimmy Johnson has anyone else ever done that?

    If i am not miss take the great Barry Switzer?

    @wrrebel said:

    If i am not miss take the great Barry Switzer?

    Yep. He sure did. People poo poo the fact that Switzer won a SB with Jimmy Johnson's talent...but I think you still have to give the guy credit. Lots of people have taken over "other people's talent" and have failed miserably.

    It is like when people poo poo Gruden's winning a SB with Tony Dungy's talent.

    My question is: Why couln't Dungy win with his own talent.

    At least Switzer was good enough to continue to have the Cowboys play to their level. Many, many, many others would have failed to do that.

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @wrrebel said:

    If i am not miss take the great Barry Switzer?

    Yep. He sure did. People poo poo the fact that Switzer won a SB with Jimmy Johnson's talent...but I think you still have to give the guy credit. Lots of people have taken over "other people's talent" and have failed miserably.

    It is like when people poo poo Gruden's winning a SB with Tony Dungy's talent.

    My question is: Why couln't Dungy win with his own talent.

    At least Switzer was good enough to continue to have the Cowboys play to their level. Many, many, many others would have failed to do that.

    @the-gipper said:

    Yep. He sure did. People poo poo the fact that Switzer won a SB with Jimmy Johnson's talent...but I think you still have to give the guy credit. Lots of people have taken over "other people's talent" and have failed miserably.

    It is like when people poo poo Gruden's winning a SB with Tony Dungy's talent.

    My question is: Why couln't Dungy win with his own talent.

    At least Switzer was good enough to continue to have the Cowboys play to their level. Many, many, many others would have failed to do that.

    Agreed.. there is something to be said about winning with talent.

    Dungy was over rated coach.. Most coaches are over rated.. You can't be a good or great NFL coach with out a great QB..

    The guys i am most impressed with is the harbaugh brothers and Bill parcells.

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @usfbrown said:

    No way anyone with a decent career or legacy is gonna come here and coach. Cleveland is a blackhole for coaches and qbs. Why take a chance of tarnishing your reputation and come to this giant mess? I highly doubt we'll get anyone with success as a head coach that will come here.

    That was under Lerner. Now Haslam is going to be owner. It all changes.

    Besides, the "greatest" coaches in history were guys that were either in their first gig somewhere or in their second gig where they didn't succeed before.

    Shula: started in Baltimore, ended up winning in Miami

    Belichick: we know all about him. Cleveland a failure, then success in NE

    Gruden: no dice in Oakland. Title winner in Tampa

    Dungy: no dice in Tampa, title in Indy.

    This is why I think a Nick Saban could very well be on Haslam's radar.

    @the-gipper said:

    That was under Lerner. Now Haslam is going to be owner. It all changes.

    Besides, the "greatest" coaches in history were guys that were either in their first gig somewhere or in their second gig where they didn't succeed before.

    Shula: started in Baltimore, ended up winning in Miami

    Belichick: we know all about him. Cleveland a failure, then success in NE

    Gruden: no dice in Oakland. Title winner in Tampa

    Dungy: no dice in Tampa, title in Indy.

    This is why I think a Nick Saban could very well be on Haslam's radar.

    You just proved my point. No one who is currently successful or left during a great legacy will come here and taint their name. It just won't happen. This place is a black hole for coaches.

    Saban is living the good life and is not going to leave a thriving college program where he's king of the hill to come to the bottle of the barell and be under an enormous amount of stress to turn this thing around.

  • USFBrownU USFBrown

    @the-gipper said:

    That was under Lerner. Now Haslam is going to be owner. It all changes.

    Besides, the "greatest" coaches in history were guys that were either in their first gig somewhere or in their second gig where they didn't succeed before.

    Shula: started in Baltimore, ended up winning in Miami

    Belichick: we know all about him. Cleveland a failure, then success in NE

    Gruden: no dice in Oakland. Title winner in Tampa

    Dungy: no dice in Tampa, title in Indy.

    This is why I think a Nick Saban could very well be on Haslam's radar.

    You just proved my point. No one who is currently successful or left during a great legacy will come here and taint their name. It just won't happen. This place is a black hole for coaches.

    Saban is living the good life and is not going to leave a thriving college program where he's king of the hill to come to the bottle of the barell and be under an enormous amount of stress to turn this thing around.

    @usfbrown said:

    You just proved my point. No one who is currently successful or left during a great legacy will come here and taint their name. It just won't happen. This place is a black hole for coaches.

    Saban is living the good life and is not going to leave a thriving college program where he's king of the hill to come to the bottle of the barell and be under an enormous amount of stress to turn this thing around.

    With the right Owner and front office, that could possibly change. Haslam is saying all the right things right now, and hopefully means it.

  • I understand the people are upset, but this thread is borderline ridiculous. I don't think that anyone would have expected this team to have more than 1 or maybe 2 wins against the five teams that we have played so far. So why is everyone acting surprised that we are still winless? Take a look at our depth chart. Our starting lineup and depth is filled with rookies, 2nd year players, and UDFAs. I guess no one remembers analysts expecting only a couple of wins for the Browns this year. Do you honestly think that we are supposed to beat the Giants (or Ravens, Eagles, etc.), and when we don't how does it make sense to blame the coach when we were clearly outmatched with talent? This year is for development not a playoff hunt. Fans need a dose of reality. Also, Shurmur's call to throw on third and one was fine. You need to mix it up; all teams do it. If we ran it and got stuffed, the same people would be complaining how predictable the play calling is. The truth is on that play the problem was bad execution by the players. I am now of the opinion that many Browns fans look only to the negative and enjoy being miserable. Anyways, I don't think that Shurmur will get fired this year. It is my guess that Haslam understands the personnel situation and difficult schedule, and will ultimately judge the coach by the team's performance over the second half of the season when the team has had some time to play together. Go Browns!

  • B BaconHound

    I am not the hugest Shurmur fan but yesterday is not on him. Weeden didn't play well and the Browns have the worst DBs in the league. You subtract Jackson from the mix and that's trouble. If Trent continues to drop passes you'll continue to see Obi on 3rd down...

    @baconhound said:

    I am not the hugest Shurmur fan but yesterday is not on him. Weeden didn't play well and the Browns have the worst DBs in the league. You subtract Jackson from the mix and that's trouble. If Trent continues to drop passes you'll continue to see Obi on 3rd down...

    +1

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