Shurmur Needs To Stay
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@mike-h said:
Holmgren: We're going to see progress in 2012.
11 straight and counting.
Holmgren meant progress in construction in his new Home in Seattle.
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If I was Haslam, I'd delay the Banner hiring a few weeks and keep Homie in his position a little longer and tell him he needs to fire Shurmer.
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I might be the only guy in here but I watch all Shurmur's press conferences on the Browns page and I can honestly say I like the guy. I don't think he is the issue, the issue IMO is we have talent but not enough and not in all the right spots. This team lacks depth and continues to make mistakes but at some point players need to be responsible for their ability or lack thereof. If we get to the point where the Browns are clearly the more talented team on the field and they are losing then the Coach should be addressed. As it stands the Browns might be even talent wise with Buffalo and close with Cinci but everyone else they've played is more talented. The Browns points spreads have been 7.5, 7.5, 3.5, 10.5 & 10.5. Those numbers are reflective of a bad team not a team that is close with a coaching change..
I might be the only guy in here but I watch all Shurmur's press conferences on the Browns page and I can honestly say I like the guy. I don't think he is the issue, the issue IMO is we have talent but not enough and not in all the right spots. This team lacks depth and continues to make mistakes but at some point players need to be responsible for their ability or lack thereof. If we get to the point where the Browns are clearly the more talented team on the field and they are losing then the Coach should be addressed. As it stands the Browns might be even talent wise with Buffalo and close with Cinci but everyone else they've played is more talented. The Browns points spreads have been 7.5, 7.5, 3.5, 10.5 & 10.5. Those numbers are reflective of a bad team not a team that is close with a coaching change..
I am with you 100%. Good luck trying to be rational with Browns fans though. It seems like half of the members on this board and the local media thought that we were going to beat playoff and Superbowl caliber teams this year. The players have been playing hard, the offense looks more potent than it has since they have been back against some good defenses, and the defense has been missing three starters (its best player, a starting linebacker, and last year's 1st round draft pick). If you want to call for a coaches head, make it the special teams coach Chris Tabor. The special teams play has been awful.
Anyways BaconHound, I have a feeling that Shurmur will get more of a chance than fans think; especially if the Browns do well in the second half of the season. I wonder how many of these fans were calling for Belichik's head way back when.
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I might be the only guy in here but I watch all Shurmur's press conferences on the Browns page and I can honestly say I like the guy. I don't think he is the issue, the issue IMO is we have talent but not enough and not in all the right spots. This team lacks depth and continues to make mistakes but at some point players need to be responsible for their ability or lack thereof. If we get to the point where the Browns are clearly the more talented team on the field and they are losing then the Coach should be addressed. As it stands the Browns might be even talent wise with Buffalo and close with Cinci but everyone else they've played is more talented. The Browns points spreads have been 7.5, 7.5, 3.5, 10.5 & 10.5. Those numbers are reflective of a bad team not a team that is close with a coaching change..
I am with you 100%. Good luck trying to be rational with Browns fans though. It seems like half of the members on this board and the local media thought that we were going to beat playoff and Superbowl caliber teams this year. The players have been playing hard, the offense looks more potent than it has since they have been back against some good defenses, and the defense has been missing three starters (its best player, a starting linebacker, and last year's 1st round draft pick). If you want to call for a coaches head, make it the special teams coach Chris Tabor. The special teams play has been awful.
Anyways BaconHound, I have a feeling that Shurmur will get more of a chance than fans think; especially if the Browns do well in the second half of the season. I wonder how many of these fans were calling for Belichik's head way back when.
I am with you 100%. Good luck trying to be rational with Browns fans though. It seems like half of the members on this board and the local media thought that we were going to beat playoff and Superbowl caliber teams this year. The players have been playing hard, the offense looks more potent than it has since they have been back against some good defenses, and the defense has been missing three starters (its best player, a starting linebacker, and last year's 1st round draft pick). If you want to call for a coaches head, make it the special teams coach Chris Tabor. The special teams play has been awful.
Anyways BaconHound, I have a feeling that Shurmur will get more of a chance than fans think; especially if the Browns do well in the second half of the season. I wonder how many of these fans were calling for Belichik's head way back when.
The only reason I have not necessarily called for Shurmur's head is because somewhere in the back of my mind I hear the words "Bill Walsh" and "Chuck Noll" and "Bill Belichick"....Hall of Fame coaches who started out far worse even than Shurmur did. Call it a gut feeling, I don't know..
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I might be the only guy in here but I watch all Shurmur's press conferences on the Browns page and I can honestly say I like the guy. I don't think he is the issue, the issue IMO is we have talent but not enough and not in all the right spots. This team lacks depth and continues to make mistakes but at some point players need to be responsible for their ability or lack thereof. If we get to the point where the Browns are clearly the more talented team on the field and they are losing then the Coach should be addressed. As it stands the Browns might be even talent wise with Buffalo and close with Cinci but everyone else they've played is more talented. The Browns points spreads have been 7.5, 7.5, 3.5, 10.5 & 10.5. Those numbers are reflective of a bad team not a team that is close with a coaching change..
I might be the only guy in here but I watch all Shurmur's press conferences on the Browns page and I can honestly say I like the guy. I don't think he is the issue, the issue IMO is we have talent but not enough and not in all the right spots. This team lacks depth and continues to make mistakes but at some point players need to be responsible for their ability or lack thereof. If we get to the point where the Browns are clearly the more talented team on the field and they are losing then the Coach should be addressed. As it stands the Browns might be even talent wise with Buffalo and close with Cinci but everyone else they've played is more talented. The Browns points spreads have been 7.5, 7.5, 3.5, 10.5 & 10.5. Those numbers are reflective of a bad team not a team that is close with a coaching change..
The issue really isn't that Shurmur is a "bad guy". It's ok that you like him. While you certainly want to win every game, sure people will understand that the better team usually wins. The issue is that Shurmur has demonstrated several times through very poor decision making that he's not ready to coach an NFL team.
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keep shurmur... hahaha this is funny!
At firt i thought it was a joke and then i thought it was a troll
Shurmur is a Ri-tard...
Show me where he has showed a glimspe like he has a clue what is going on?
call it a gut feeling but this will be his last NFL coaching gig..
Besides you don't think Haslam already has an idea of who he wants to hire? let the owner decide on the GM and get his guy to run the team..
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I might be the only guy in here but I watch all Shurmur's press conferences on the Browns page and I can honestly say I like the guy. I don't think he is the issue, the issue IMO is we have talent but not enough and not in all the right spots. This team lacks depth and continues to make mistakes but at some point players need to be responsible for their ability or lack thereof. If we get to the point where the Browns are clearly the more talented team on the field and they are losing then the Coach should be addressed. As it stands the Browns might be even talent wise with Buffalo and close with Cinci but everyone else they've played is more talented. The Browns points spreads have been 7.5, 7.5, 3.5, 10.5 & 10.5. Those numbers are reflective of a bad team not a team that is close with a coaching change..
I am with you 100%. Good luck trying to be rational with Browns fans though. It seems like half of the members on this board and the local media thought that we were going to beat playoff and Superbowl caliber teams this year. The players have been playing hard, the offense looks more potent than it has since they have been back against some good defenses, and the defense has been missing three starters (its best player, a starting linebacker, and last year's 1st round draft pick). If you want to call for a coaches head, make it the special teams coach Chris Tabor. The special teams play has been awful.
Anyways BaconHound, I have a feeling that Shurmur will get more of a chance than fans think; especially if the Browns do well in the second half of the season. I wonder how many of these fans were calling for Belichik's head way back when.
I am with you 100%. Good luck trying to be rational with Browns fans though. It seems like half of the members on this board and the local media thought that we were going to beat playoff and Superbowl caliber teams this year. The players have been playing hard, the offense looks more potent than it has since they have been back against some good defenses, and the defense has been missing three starters (its best player, a starting linebacker, and last year's 1st round draft pick). If you want to call for a coaches head, make it the special teams coach Chris Tabor. The special teams play has been awful.
Anyways BaconHound, I have a feeling that Shurmur will get more of a chance than fans think; especially if the Browns do well in the second half of the season. I wonder how many of these fans were calling for Belichik's head way back when.
I don't know anyone that thought that we would be good this season, nearly everyone thought it would be a rough, developmental season.
Fans are mad because we're seeing a terrible product out on the field, due to Shurmur's playcalling, which is the WCO by the book. He is running the most predictable offense in NFL history, and it's not getting any different.
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Shurmur's predictable playcalling is holding this team back.
Plain and simple. He is either too scared or too inexperienced to do anything but call plays by-the-book.
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I think keeping Shurmur for the sake of continuity or the "what if" factor is not a good idea.
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Shurmur's predictable playcalling is holding this team back.
Plain and simple. He is either too scared or too inexperienced to do anything but call plays by-the-book.
Shurmur's predictable playcalling is holding this team back.
Plain and simple. He is either too scared or too inexperienced to do anything but call plays by-the-book.
It is predictable, but its our d that is killing us. You have to believe that the Browns knew that Bradshaw was going to run, and he ran for 200 yards. Its so hard to ask for another coach and another system because they will have another year learning curve. Hell the Packers run a wco and it tooks Rodgers 3 years to perfect it. If we keep changing coaches we are going to be stuck in the never ending circle that is losing. Coaches should have 3 years to work shit out.
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Any Shurmur sympathizer is on the level of sympathizing with the British during the American Revolution as an American. Idiotic.
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Shurmur's predictable playcalling is holding this team back.
Plain and simple. He is either too scared or too inexperienced to do anything but call plays by-the-book.
Shurmur's predictable playcalling is holding this team back.
Plain and simple. He is either too scared or too inexperienced to do anything but call plays by-the-book.
Definitely, guy has no creative blood in his veins.
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Shurmur's predictable playcalling is holding this team back.
Plain and simple. He is either too scared or too inexperienced to do anything but call plays by-the-book.
It is predictable, but its our d that is killing us. You have to believe that the Browns knew that Bradshaw was going to run, and he ran for 200 yards. Its so hard to ask for another coach and another system because they will have another year learning curve. Hell the Packers run a wco and it tooks Rodgers 3 years to perfect it. If we keep changing coaches we are going to be stuck in the never ending circle that is losing. Coaches should have 3 years to work shit out.
It is predictable, but its our d that is killing us. You have to believe that the Browns knew that Bradshaw was going to run, and he ran for 200 yards. Its so hard to ask for another coach and another system because they will have another year learning curve. Hell the Packers run a wco and it tooks Rodgers 3 years to perfect it. If we keep changing coaches we are going to be stuck in the never ending circle that is losing. Coaches should have 3 years to work shit out.
There's a difference between continuity and sticking with a shit coach. The guy isn't anything close to an offensively gifted.
The Packers stuck with McCarthy because McCarthy at least had experience running an offense. McCarthy was an NFL offensive coordinator for five years before taking the job in Green Bay.
Shurmer had one (two?) year of coordinating. For the Rams. His claim to fame is helping the Rams climb from an abysmal 1-15 season to a respectable 7-9 record the following season. You know, with that first overall pick Sam Bradford. The QB who was supposed to be the most NFL ready QB in years, coming from a pro-style Oklahoma offense.
I'm sure Bradford didn't instantly improve that team overnight.
The difference between teams like Green Bay or Philly, who run variations of the WCO, and Cleveland is that the former only sample the WCO. They don't blindly adhere to it, as it's seeming Shurmer does. I
t's like he's standing on the sidelines on gameday going "Well this worked for my boss, so it will work for me". Has anybody checked the date on his playsheet? I'm almost positive it says "Property of 1996 Green Bay Packers"
When an NFL.com writer publishes an article saying that an outside source guessed the upcoming Browns play with 95% accuracy, it's time to start changing things up.
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My main issue with Shurmer has to do with his duties on the sideline each Sunday. He has put way too much on his plate each week. He doesn't have the experience to be able to handle play calling and typical head coaching duties. To me, it seems like he losses grasp of what's happening in the flow of the game. This is certainly something a coach can see from the press box.
Last year he had Dick Juran on the sideline with him to help him a bit. Now all the "experience" is in a press box. I know Childress doesn't like calling plays Sunday, but in my opinion, one of two things needs to happen for him to succeed in Cleveland.
1. Transfer play calling to someone else
Or...
2. Bring Juran or Childress to the sideline on Sundays.
To Bacon's point, I think the talent has been a bit lacking, but there are other teams in the league in a similar situation as the Browns, but have shown success (Dolphins, Titans). This has to go on Shurmer. My point is that it isn't due to his inability as coach, but rather his self-imposed burden on the sidelines.
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It is predictable, but its our d that is killing us. You have to believe that the Browns knew that Bradshaw was going to run, and he ran for 200 yards. Its so hard to ask for another coach and another system because they will have another year learning curve. Hell the Packers run a wco and it tooks Rodgers 3 years to perfect it. If we keep changing coaches we are going to be stuck in the never ending circle that is losing. Coaches should have 3 years to work shit out.
There's a difference between continuity and sticking with a shit coach. The guy isn't anything close to an offensively gifted.
The Packers stuck with McCarthy because McCarthy at least had experience running an offense. McCarthy was an NFL offensive coordinator for five years before taking the job in Green Bay.
Shurmer had one (two?) year of coordinating. For the Rams. His claim to fame is helping the Rams climb from an abysmal 1-15 season to a respectable 7-9 record the following season. You know, with that first overall pick Sam Bradford. The QB who was supposed to be the most NFL ready QB in years, coming from a pro-style Oklahoma offense.
I'm sure Bradford didn't instantly improve that team overnight.
The difference between teams like Green Bay or Philly, who run variations of the WCO, and Cleveland is that the former only sample the WCO. They don't blindly adhere to it, as it's seeming Shurmer does. I
t's like he's standing on the sidelines on gameday going "Well this worked for my boss, so it will work for me". Has anybody checked the date on his playsheet? I'm almost positive it says "Property of 1996 Green Bay Packers"
When an NFL.com writer publishes an article saying that an outside source guessed the upcoming Browns play with 95% accuracy, it's time to start changing things up.
There's a difference between continuity and sticking with a shit coach. The guy isn't anything close to an offensively gifted.
The Packers stuck with McCarthy because McCarthy at least had experience running an offense. McCarthy was an NFL offensive coordinator for five years before taking the job in Green Bay.
Shurmer had one (two?) year of coordinating. For the Rams. His claim to fame is helping the Rams climb from an abysmal 1-15 season to a respectable 7-9 record the following season. You know, with that first overall pick Sam Bradford. The QB who was supposed to be the most NFL ready QB in years, coming from a pro-style Oklahoma offense.
I'm sure Bradford didn't instantly improve that team overnight.
The difference between teams like Green Bay or Philly, who run variations of the WCO, and Cleveland is that the former only sample the WCO. They don't blindly adhere to it, as it's seeming Shurmer does. I
t's like he's standing on the sidelines on gameday going "Well this worked for my boss, so it will work for me". Has anybody checked the date on his playsheet? I'm almost positive it says "Property of 1996 Green Bay Packers"
When an NFL.com writer publishes an article saying that an outside source guessed the upcoming Browns play with 95% accuracy, it's time to start changing things up.
Hit the nail on the head. Just another small piece of info about our lovely coach. I was looking over his resume and why the hell did this guy even become a head coach? His claim to fame was being the OC for the Rams, but in this 3 years there the offense ranked 29th, 26th, and 31st. I
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If I was Haslam, I'd delay the Banner hiring a few weeks and keep Homie in his position a little longer and tell him he needs to fire Shurmer.
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I am with you 100%. Good luck trying to be rational with Browns fans though. It seems like half of the members on this board and the local media thought that we were going to beat playoff and Superbowl caliber teams this year. The players have been playing hard, the offense looks more potent than it has since they have been back against some good defenses, and the defense has been missing three starters (its best player, a starting linebacker, and last year's 1st round draft pick). If you want to call for a coaches head, make it the special teams coach Chris Tabor. The special teams play has been awful.
Anyways BaconHound, I have a feeling that Shurmur will get more of a chance than fans think; especially if the Browns do well in the second half of the season. I wonder how many of these fans were calling for Belichik's head way back when.
I don't know anyone that thought that we would be good this season, nearly everyone thought it would be a rough, developmental season.
Fans are mad because we're seeing a terrible product out on the field, due to Shurmur's playcalling, which is the WCO by the book. He is running the most predictable offense in NFL history, and it's not getting any different.
I don't know anyone that thought that we would be good this season, nearly everyone thought it would be a rough, developmental season.
Fans are mad because we're seeing a terrible product out on the field, due to Shurmur's playcalling, which is the WCO by the book. He is running the most predictable offense in NFL history, and it's not getting any different.
The fans must not have watched all of the games last year where the Browns averaged under 14 points a game against a bunch of mediocre defenses (with the exception of the Ravens, Texans, and 49ers). We are putting up more points and moving the ball with more consistency against some top flight defenses this year. In fact, the offense has shown improvement so far while the defense has struggled to stop the opposing offenses. Our weak linebacking, thin secondary, and inconsistent pass rush has really hurt us. So, I am going to have to disagree with the general consensus which seems to go along with the chorus line of the crappy Cleveland media. For example, Grossi (a hack) wrote an article that I read yesterday morning blaming the offense-who put up 27 points and kept the Giants D from sacking Weeden- for the loss in the Giants game when the real problem was turnovers and getting shredded by Eli Manning and Bradshaw's running. This makes no sense. Was the offense supposed to put up 50 against the defending Super Bowl champs? I watch all of the games and form my own opinions instead of listening to a bunch of disgruntled Cleveland beat reporters.
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hell he might be another vince lombardi......in 20 years.
do we as fans of a franchise who hasn't won dick in decades want our franchise to be his on-the-job training post?
5 years plans went out about 5 years a go. if you don't get your job done and show improvement every year (not only in wins, but in discipline, showing diversity on both sides of the ball with different schemes, garnering talent etc. etc.) most people don't stick around past their second year. ask holmgren about mangini.
heckert has got us some talent. but has he done a GREAT job? eh, i'd give him a six out of ten. a lot of these guys are starting to show me a little sumthin' sumthin'.
but holmgren and shurmur have to be the 2 biggest blots on haslam's radar and he's probably already got the f-16s warming up on the runway to go shoot them down.
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