Coaching Wish List
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I live out of state and was able to catch my first Browns game of the season today. Luckily, we forced 8 turnovers.
The shocking thing to me was how unbelievably bad our play calling was. We ran one time I noticed out of a spread (passing) formation, and Trich took it 15 yards for a TD.
The rest of the running plays were out of a 2/3 TE bunch formation. To me with the speed in the NFL, you need to do some misdirection. Running out of the bunch every time is going to get the safeties all over your RB 2-3 yards downfield. This is what I saw most of the game - Low and behold, Clark (Steelers FS) had 9 tackles.
It went both ways. When we brought in 3 WR or spread the field out a bit, we threw everytime. (except the trich TD) We very rarely threw out of the bunch formation.
We run an offense a 13 year old does when he plays Madden. 5 wide when he's passing, Bunch when he's running. If we are going to tip it off that badly, at least put Cribbs in and run the WildDawg to get the extra blocker on running plays.
All that said - who is tops on everyone's wish list for the inevitable coaching change for next year? Could we lure Chip Kelly from Oregon? Would love to see an innovative offensive mind.
That, plus another shut down corner or pass rushing OLB/DE in the first round and this team makes the playoffs next year.
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i really don't know man. it all comes down to haslam and how he feels about giving the reigns of his 'company' over to who ever.
is he conservative and will he take someone that has a proven track record? or can he a little risky and go for an unknown?
i'm an old bag and i like the first approach. i'll put a name out there and i'm sure i'll get stomped for it but i always liked kirk ferentz from iowa. if he had a decent squad his coaching record would be much better than what it is.i think the guy knows both sides of the ball and is an excellent leader and disciplinarian.
how about dave wannstedt? (another bashing about to happen).
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Ive heard Gruden,Chip Kelly, Andy Reid if he leaves Philly....Today supposedly Cowher was riding the Browns balls real hard today after beating the Steelers people have specualtion there.Also Houston Offensive Coordinator who i forget his name but id love,you could also look into alot of Position Coaches in Philly who think Banner may have an eye one on....In all honesty i have no idea and im sure no one does besides Mr.Haslam and Banner
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Its hard to say since we know nothing about what haslam and banner have in mind..
Personally i would prefer a fresh creative guy with big balls like chip kelly but with banner running the show we will probably end up with andy reid..
I really hope whomever gets the job is also the clubs GM for true accountability on the field..
Dick jauron has done well and deserves to be under consideration as well imho..
Due to haslam already making a gutless decision in leaving shurmur in place rather than making jauron the temporary head coach does not leave me confident the team is any better off than it was under lerner..
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Hoping that Haslam fires Shurmur, would like to see a young innovative offensive mind like Mike McCoy he has shown that he can make his offense work with the players he has. He changed his offense last year when tebow came in and then changed it again this year for Manning.
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I don't think banner wants Andy Reid. Seems to me Banner lost a bit of a power struggle with him in Philly. Why put yourself in that situation again?
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Shurmer drives me nuts, but one thing we all need to acknowledge is the players are still playing very hard for him.
Maybe it's just their personal pride, or maybe they do believe in him. Despite all the conservatism, the players haven't given up...and we now have won 2 of 3 against our division rivals at home.
I'm not a fan of conservative football at all, I want an attacking team. Would Shurmer change his approach if he & his staff get more tools in the toolbox? A speedy ILB, another CB, perhaps the defense would allow him to gamble more on offense? Just playing devil's advocate here...fire away.
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No. Shurmur is a problem. The team isn't playing for him they're playing for pride.
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I don't believe in the "They played hard for the coach". They play hard beacuse they are profesionals and are getting paid to do so.
As for the coach, I , and everyone here, have no idea what is going to happen. I would like someone who has passion and isn't like Shurmer. Also get rid of this westcoast BS.
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Shurmer drives me nuts, but one thing we all need to acknowledge is the players are still playing very hard for him.
Maybe it's just their personal pride, or maybe they do believe in him. Despite all the conservatism, the players haven't given up...and we now have won 2 of 3 against our division rivals at home.
I'm not a fan of conservative football at all, I want an attacking team. Would Shurmer change his approach if he & his staff get more tools in the toolbox? A speedy ILB, another CB, perhaps the defense would allow him to gamble more on offense? Just playing devil's advocate here...fire away.
Shurmer drives me nuts, but one thing we all need to acknowledge is the players are still playing very hard for him.
Maybe it's just their personal pride, or maybe they do believe in him. Despite all the conservatism, the players haven't given up...and we now have won 2 of 3 against our division rivals at home.
I'm not a fan of conservative football at all, I want an attacking team. Would Shurmer change his approach if he & his staff get more tools in the toolbox? A speedy ILB, another CB, perhaps the defense would allow him to gamble more on offense? Just playing devil's advocate here...fire away.
UHHHHHH why are they playing hard, NEW OWNER PLAYING FOR A JOB. Shurmer Sucks
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I live out of state and was able to catch my first Browns game of the season today. Luckily, we forced 8 turnovers.
The shocking thing to me was how unbelievably bad our play calling was. We ran one time I noticed out of a spread (passing) formation, and Trich took it 15 yards for a TD.
The rest of the running plays were out of a 2/3 TE bunch formation. To me with the speed in the NFL, you need to do some misdirection. Running out of the bunch every time is going to get the safeties all over your RB 2-3 yards downfield. This is what I saw most of the game - Low and behold, Clark (Steelers FS) had 9 tackles.
It went both ways. When we brought in 3 WR or spread the field out a bit, we threw everytime. (except the trich TD) We very rarely threw out of the bunch formation.
We run an offense a 13 year old does when he plays Madden. 5 wide when he's passing, Bunch when he's running. If we are going to tip it off that badly, at least put Cribbs in and run the WildDawg to get the extra blocker on running plays.
All that said - who is tops on everyone's wish list for the inevitable coaching change for next year? Could we lure Chip Kelly from Oregon? Would love to see an innovative offensive mind.
That, plus another shut down corner or pass rushing OLB/DE in the first round and this team makes the playoffs next year.
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A contemporary hybrid clone of these three bad asses is what the Browns need:
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How do you notice something that didn't happen?
Two WRs wide left, single TE right. Offset I right. Wide Oline splits. Ran left.
Not a spread formation true, but certainly not a 2/3 TE Tight obvious running formation. Pittsburgh had 8 in the box but one of those 8 was so was out on the WRs so really only 7 in the box. Lead blocker sealed the run blitzing LB leaving only the S able to make the tackle. He missed. Free lineman was able to seal the backside LB.
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How do you notice something that didn't happen?
Two WRs wide left, single TE right. Offset I right. Wide Oline splits. Ran left.
Not a spread formation true, but certainly not a 2/3 TE Tight obvious running formation. Pittsburgh had 8 in the box but one of those 8 was so was out on the WRs so really only 7 in the box. Lead blocker sealed the run blitzing LB leaving only the S able to make the tackle. He missed. Free lineman was able to seal the backside LB.
Two WRs wide left, single TE right. Offset I right. Wide Oline splits. Ran left.
Not a spread formation true, but certainly not a 2/3 TE Tight obvious running formation. Pittsburgh had 8 in the box but one of those 8 was so was out on the WRs so really only 7 in the box. Lead blocker sealed the run blitzing LB leaving only the S able to make the tackle. He missed. Free lineman was able to seal the backside LB.
It is pretty sad that someone like me can predict what play we're going to run based on the formation. If an idiot like me can do it, how hard do you think it is for defensive coaches who do nothing but study film 18 hours a day to do?
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Shurmer drives me nuts, but one thing we all need to acknowledge is the players are still playing very hard for him.
Maybe it's just their personal pride, or maybe they do believe in him. Despite all the conservatism, the players haven't given up...and we now have won 2 of 3 against our division rivals at home.
I'm not a fan of conservative football at all, I want an attacking team. Would Shurmer change his approach if he & his staff get more tools in the toolbox? A speedy ILB, another CB, perhaps the defense would allow him to gamble more on offense? Just playing devil's advocate here...fire away.
UHHHHHH why are they playing hard, NEW OWNER PLAYING FOR A JOB. Shurmer Sucks
UHHHHHH why are they playing hard, NEW OWNER PLAYING FOR A JOB. Shurmer Sucks
I've been harsh on unShurmer, as harsh as anyone. The team was scrapping even before the Haslam purchase if I recall it correctly.
I hate his offense, plain & simple.
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I've been saying this all along. Keep Shurmur. Give the franchise some stability and see where the future leads. I laugh at how Shurmur gets blamed for everything and everyone else get's a pass. Weeden is a average QB at best. Every head coach in the NFL will tell you on passing plays there are three levels and based on protection and who gets open the QB makes his read and his throw. It isn't rocket science, John Gruden doesn't have a top secret playbook that will make Weeden into Peyton Manning.
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I've been saying this all along. Keep Shurmur. Give the franchise some stability and see where the future leads. I laugh at how Shurmur gets blamed for everything and everyone else get's a pass. Weeden is a average QB at best. Every head coach in the NFL will tell you on passing plays there are three levels and based on protection and who gets open the QB makes his read and his throw. It isn't rocket science, John Gruden doesn't have a top secret playbook that will make Weeden into Peyton Manning.
I've been saying this all along. Keep Shurmur. Give the franchise some stability and see where the future leads. I laugh at how Shurmur gets blamed for everything and everyone else get's a pass. Weeden is a average QB at best. Every head coach in the NFL will tell you on passing plays there are three levels and based on protection and who gets open the QB makes his read and his throw. It isn't rocket science, John Gruden doesn't have a top secret playbook that will make Weeden into Peyton Manning.
i'll not say that i have killed shurmur for his coaching
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what i did do is BITCH about how he got this job. if you wanted to see a browns team play hard and disciplined for a coach then you should have been around here 2 or 3 years ago when mangini was here.
shurmur is like weeden. you can't support a guy because he's a rookie and makes mistakes and say he'll be alright and then bitch about someone who basically is in the same exact position. this franchise needs to be 'locked down'. no movement (after holmgren leaves) whatsoever.
yes there is a glimmer of hope on both sides of the ball. a couple of adjustments FA and draft wise and is ee us being a powerhouse in this division for years to come.
keep everybody (except holmgren), let everyone get another year under their belt, with an OC calling the plays and (if that happens) i guarantee a 10 win season next year.
money.
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I've been saying this all along. Keep Shurmur. Give the franchise some stability and see where the future leads. I laugh at how Shurmur gets blamed for everything and everyone else get's a pass. Weeden is a average QB at best. Every head coach in the NFL will tell you on passing plays there are three levels and based on protection and who gets open the QB makes his read and his throw. It isn't rocket science, John Gruden doesn't have a top secret playbook that will make Weeden into Peyton Manning.
i'll not say that i have killed shurmur for his coaching
BUT
what i did do is BITCH about how he got this job. if you wanted to see a browns team play hard and disciplined for a coach then you should have been around here 2 or 3 years ago when mangini was here.
shurmur is like weeden. you can't support a guy because he's a rookie and makes mistakes and say he'll be alright and then bitch about someone who basically is in the same exact position. this franchise needs to be 'locked down'. no movement (after holmgren leaves) whatsoever.
yes there is a glimmer of hope on both sides of the ball. a couple of adjustments FA and draft wise and is ee us being a powerhouse in this division for years to come.
keep everybody (except holmgren), let everyone get another year under their belt, with an OC calling the plays and (if that happens) i guarantee a 10 win season next year.
money.
i'll not say that i have killed shurmur for his coaching
BUT
what i did do is BITCH about how he got this job. if you wanted to see a browns team play hard and disciplined for a coach then you should have been around here 2 or 3 years ago when mangini was here.
shurmur is like weeden. you can't support a guy because he's a rookie and makes mistakes and say he'll be alright and then bitch about someone who basically is in the same exact position. this franchise needs to be 'locked down'. no movement (after holmgren leaves) whatsoever.
yes there is a glimmer of hope on both sides of the ball. a couple of adjustments FA and draft wise and is ee us being a powerhouse in this division for years to come.
keep everybody (except holmgren), let everyone get another year under their belt, with an OC calling the plays and (if that happens) i guarantee a 10 win season next year.
money.
One of the main complaints about Shurmur is that he seems to NOT give clear guidance to his rookie QB; that he shows completely unimaginative play calling; and that he seems to constantly putting his offense...and his rookie QB into untenable situations.
He exudes no enthusiasm, no confidence, no bravado, no intestinal fortitude. Those may not be necessary, but he also seems as dull with his scheme as he is dull in his personality.
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