Weeden Blows! December, 2012
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I do think Heckert was pressured to get him. He is absolutely terrible. I wanted to give him the whole season to really form an opinion, but damn.
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28-7 in the second half.............great job at halftime coaches.
You need players to make adjustments, this offense has them but not always in the best spots..
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28-7 in the second half.............great job at halftime coaches.
You need players to make adjustments, this offense has them but not always in the best spots..
You need players to make adjustments, this offense has them but not always in the best spots..
I think you need a coach that knows how to make adjustments. We run the same crap EVERY game. There seems to be NO game specific adjustments at all. Just run slants and crossing routes, regardless of the opponent.
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I agree Weeden blows this year but I'll stand by the same assessment I have of Shurmur. You start with Weeden next year unless there is a better FA option available. You hope he gets better with a year plus under his belt in the same system with the same receivers. You try and get better and deeper in need positions like LB, OL, WR, FB, TE, DL. If after next year Weeden still hasn't gotten it or Shurmur is clearly holding the team back, make the change, but don't do it for the sake of doing it. The Browns next year will be a long shot to be a playoff team unless Tom Brady walks through the door so lets get some stability for once.
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You need players to make adjustments, this offense has them but not always in the best spots..
I think you need a coach that knows how to make adjustments. We run the same crap EVERY game. There seems to be NO game specific adjustments at all. Just run slants and crossing routes, regardless of the opponent.
I think you need a coach that knows how to make adjustments. We run the same crap EVERY game. There seems to be NO game specific adjustments at all. Just run slants and crossing routes, regardless of the opponent.
Almost every passing play has a deep, intermediate and checkdown option. This isn't rocket science it is the way schemes are. Passing the ball deep depends on protection, WR speed, QB decision making and defense. If one of those four things goes against the throw it doesn't work. There isn't a "special" playbook that Belichick or Mccarthy has, they've got the talent to execute and Belichick uses a lot of short passes to Welker to setup deeper throws.
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Why the in the Hell isn't TBenjamin on the field to stretch it? would probably relieve some pressure up front. Christ look what Torry Smith did for the Ratbirds last year, RAw talent that produced. In this game speed kills. TB could be running deep outs, skinny posts, just about anything. Yet we go with the traditional 2 wr set allowing 8 men up. Shumer needs to go, Weeds needs to get some confidence in his Wr's to make plays themselves. He has a gun, release, needs to have more confidence.
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Why the in the Hell isn't TBenjamin on the field to stretch it? would probably relieve some pressure up front. Christ look what Torry Smith did for the Ratbirds last year, RAw talent that produced. In this game speed kills. TB could be running deep outs, skinny posts, just about anything. Yet we go with the traditional 2 wr set allowing 8 men up. Shumer needs to go, Weeds needs to get some confidence in his Wr's to make plays themselves. He has a gun, release, needs to have more confidence.
Why the in the Hell isn't TBenjamin on the field to stretch it? would probably relieve some pressure up front. Christ look what Torry Smith did for the Ratbirds last year, RAw talent that produced. In this game speed kills. TB could be running deep outs, skinny posts, just about anything. Yet we go with the traditional 2 wr set allowing 8 men up. Shumer needs to go, Weeds needs to get some confidence in his Wr's to make plays themselves. He has a gun, release, needs to have more confidence.
Our RBs and O line don't scheme block that well so it's tough to go empty or 1 TE.
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Weeden is here for at least another season. In the off season he'll recognize and work on 'pocket awareness'. He is terrible in the pocket:
- can't seem to find the open guy
- can't make quick decisions
- can't decide when to do what
- regarding batted balls, he'll recognize that he has to also see the 4 - 9 feet in front of him instead of trying to throw a speedball through the defensesive. The batted balls are the most aggravating, he seems to often to throw right into oncoming traffic - again, seeing the few feet in front of him, as well as down field.
- quit staring down the play. Defenses often have no problem figuring out where the play is going cause Weeden stands and stares until it's time to pull the trigger.
However, there are allot of solid, easily identifable issues he can work on in the off season. The guy was a pro baseball player and should have the athletic smarts to identify and address his shortcomings. Why he hasn't done more this season is a real concern. Guys like Romo, Rothlisberger, Manning, Cousins, Flacco, etc. pull a play out when all looks like a bust. Weeden will calm down and build on that. Not ready to toss the guy just yet, at least until the rest of the team plays above his level. If the offensive line had been better against Washington, Weeden might have made better decisions. He did not have a good game, but Washington made him play to all his weaknesses too. Surprising for a Redskins team that hasn't really shown much of that until the game against Baltimore a week ago.
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Weeden is here for at least another season. In the off season he'll recognize and work on 'pocket awareness'. He is terrible in the pocket:
- can't seem to find the open guy
- can't make quick decisions
- can't decide when to do what
- regarding batted balls, he'll recognize that he has to also see the 4 - 9 feet in front of him instead of trying to throw a speedball through the defensesive. The batted balls are the most aggravating, he seems to often to throw right into oncoming traffic - again, seeing the few feet in front of him, as well as down field.
- quit staring down the play. Defenses often have no problem figuring out where the play is going cause Weeden stands and stares until it's time to pull the trigger.
However, there are allot of solid, easily identifable issues he can work on in the off season. The guy was a pro baseball player and should have the athletic smarts to identify and address his shortcomings. Why he hasn't done more this season is a real concern. Guys like Romo, Rothlisberger, Manning, Cousins, Flacco, etc. pull a play out when all looks like a bust. Weeden will calm down and build on that. Not ready to toss the guy just yet, at least until the rest of the team plays above his level. If the offensive line had been better against Washington, Weeden might have made better decisions. He did not have a good game, but Washington made him play to all his weaknesses too. Surprising for a Redskins team that hasn't really shown much of that until the game against Baltimore a week ago.
Weeden is here for at least another season. In the off season he'll recognize and work on 'pocket awareness'. He is terrible in the pocket:
- can't seem to find the open guy
- can't make quick decisions
- can't decide when to do what
- regarding batted balls, he'll recognize that he has to also see the 4 - 9 feet in front of him instead of trying to throw a speedball through the defensesive. The batted balls are the most aggravating, he seems to often to throw right into oncoming traffic - again, seeing the few feet in front of him, as well as down field.
- quit staring down the play. Defenses often have no problem figuring out where the play is going cause Weeden stands and stares until it's time to pull the trigger.
However, there are allot of solid, easily identifable issues he can work on in the off season. The guy was a pro baseball player and should have the athletic smarts to identify and address his shortcomings. Why he hasn't done more this season is a real concern. Guys like Romo, Rothlisberger, Manning, Cousins, Flacco, etc. pull a play out when all looks like a bust. Weeden will calm down and build on that. Not ready to toss the guy just yet, at least until the rest of the team plays above his level. If the offensive line had been better against Washington, Weeden might have made better decisions. He did not have a good game, but Washington made him play to all his weaknesses too. Surprising for a Redskins team that hasn't really shown much of that until the game against Baltimore a week ago.
I think the MAIN reason he hasn't done more this season is Shurmer. It seems to me Shurmer is NOT putting him in a place to succeed. We run the same 5-8 plays ALL game. The defense knows whats coming. When you take a 3 step drop and fire a slant or crossing play, the d-line just stops and puts up their hands. You can't do that ALL DAY LONG and expect to be good in the NFL.
"And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve." -
Weeden is here for at least another season. In the off season he'll recognize and work on 'pocket awareness'. He is terrible in the pocket:
- can't seem to find the open guy
- can't make quick decisions
- can't decide when to do what
- regarding batted balls, he'll recognize that he has to also see the 4 - 9 feet in front of him instead of trying to throw a speedball through the defensesive. The batted balls are the most aggravating, he seems to often to throw right into oncoming traffic - again, seeing the few feet in front of him, as well as down field.
- quit staring down the play. Defenses often have no problem figuring out where the play is going cause Weeden stands and stares until it's time to pull the trigger.
However, there are allot of solid, easily identifable issues he can work on in the off season. The guy was a pro baseball player and should have the athletic smarts to identify and address his shortcomings. Why he hasn't done more this season is a real concern. Guys like Romo, Rothlisberger, Manning, Cousins, Flacco, etc. pull a play out when all looks like a bust. Weeden will calm down and build on that. Not ready to toss the guy just yet, at least until the rest of the team plays above his level. If the offensive line had been better against Washington, Weeden might have made better decisions. He did not have a good game, but Washington made him play to all his weaknesses too. Surprising for a Redskins team that hasn't really shown much of that until the game against Baltimore a week ago.
I think the MAIN reason he hasn't done more this season is Shurmer. It seems to me Shurmer is NOT putting him in a place to succeed. We run the same 5-8 plays ALL game. The defense knows whats coming. When you take a 3 step drop and fire a slant or crossing play, the d-line just stops and puts up their hands. You can't do that ALL DAY LONG and expect to be good in the NFL.
I think the MAIN reason he hasn't done more this season is Shurmer. It seems to me Shurmer is NOT putting him in a place to succeed. We run the same 5-8 plays ALL game. The defense knows whats coming. When you take a 3 step drop and fire a slant or crossing play, the d-line just stops and puts up their hands. You can't do that ALL DAY LONG and expect to be good in the NFL.
I disagree, Weeden struggled early finding receivers 1 on 1 on the outside early.
Eventually they regressed to their typical dig and hitch routes because Weeden wasn't getting it done.
People complained about wanting to see Weeden in the shotgun, well he's been in the shotgun, nothing impressive.
Different QB, same excuses.
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Worst pick Hecket has made yet, i think he felt pressured into taking him by Holmgren and the fact that we missed on RG3....He isnt the answer im sorry guys we gotta look else where... I knew when we made the pick we could have grabbed someone else and just McCoy ride this season out or shit took Cousins or Wilson a guy in a later round who Wasnt a 1st round pick or 29 Fucking years old,who could be better...
Worst pick Hecket has made yet, i think he felt pressured into taking him by Holmgren and the fact that we missed on RG3....He isnt the answer im sorry guys we gotta look else where... I knew when we made the pick we could have grabbed someone else and just McCoy ride this season out or shit took Cousins or Wilson a guy in a later round who Wasnt a 1st round pick or 29 Fucking years old,who could be better...
I do think Heckert was pressured to get him. He is absolutely terrible. I wanted to give him the whole season to really form an opinion, but damn.
After the draft there were interviews and press conferences, and in them Heckert said (without naming names) that there was a situation where Holmgren stepped in and wanted Tom to take a player (obviously Weeden at 22) and Tom thought he was a good pick but not that high. He told Holmgren (as related in the press conference) that he likes him but not at this spot so if Holmgren wants him to draft him, he was going to half to tell Heckert to make the pick because he really was not who he wanted at that spot. Also, I remember reading that Lerner put heat on Holmgren to get a franchise QB for the Browns which I am sure had something to do with the pick.
All that being said, I have been disappointed with some of Brandon Weeden's games, but I am not ready to cut the guy after a rookie season like some. He needs to be given another year to show, one way or another, if he is the franchise QB that we have been looking for. As a side note, to me he has looked very different from earlier in the year. It seems like they are trying to make him into a game manager instead of a gunslinger. I am not sure if that is really what is going on or if the blame for the change lands on Weeden for being hesitant or the coaches for trying to win games to save their asses instead of developing Brandon..
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I believe he has the tools, just to refine and I can't help but think the off season will allow that.
Unfortunately I felt the same way after Derek Anderson's break out season, then the next year he went complete flop.
Again, not ready to bail after one rookie season. We've not had stabilioty for so long, need to try to cultivate. This team has shown allot of growth over the last several weeks. The Washington game was simply a slap in the face that our growth still leaves allot of room for improvement. Probably a good thing. As unsure about Shurmur as I am, I hate changing again, but yesterday gave me a reality check again. Several weeks ago I wanted Shurmur gone during the biweek, then after a few good weeks I was wondering if they were gelling and he was not so bad. Now, back on the fence again.
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Two preseason games against shitty teams and Weeden is now God all of a sudden? Yikes, you all are in for a huge letdown.
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Both of you are assholes. Get a fucking life.
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As the resident naysayer, curmudgeon, and I believe only 58 year old guy , probably the only guy here to push up 8 wheels and a couple 10s, I am going to inject MY preseason analysis.........
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The Browns first units have executed plays, made some plays AND played better than their opponents, WHO, the last time I looked, were both NFL teams. While I have dismissed preseason with the adage of " nobody gets the Lombardi trophy in preseason", the fact of the matter is, preseason STILL counts in many, many ways.
Certainly, the guys who got injured cal ell you fist hand that the hitting and intensity IS real. Eh? As far as the bullshit of " look who they played", I submit to you that all ANY team can do is compete against the opponent put before them.
To anyone who has followed the Browns, even nasty ass me, you can see something different from any year I can remember. Some players are making plays and some of the plays are being executed quite nicely.
Nobody ever loses the Lombardi in preseason either, so lighten up.
Each team, coach and player has different objectives in preseason. It is a time to hone first units, weed out bad players, discover diamonds in the rough, and even make judgments on coaches and philosophies.
I can say this much, I watched the Browns this week during bowling. Other people, Memphians were making some positive comments when the Browns made plays So what does the preseason really mean? We fans don't have a fucking clue. There are so many variables, so many tests, trials and tribulations going on, it isn't a one-dimensional thing.
I know this much; watching the Browns so far I have felt some pride, and some hope. I have enough doubt in my own predictions that I think there is a possibility that I am going to have to pay that fucking knucklehead $100 on the over and under in total wins.
The preseason performance so far makes a lot of people think that this will be a fun year.
So for you naysayers, me included, be apprised you may eat cow, and Browns fans may have some nice things t crow about. I think that's what we have learned so far.
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all I am saying is dont be to faced...Hate Weeden now love him come on man!!!!!! You can look at every post I have ever put on here in support of Weeden. 99% of you can not say the same
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all I am saying is dont be to faced...Hate Weeden now love him come on man!!!!!! You can look at every post I have ever put on here in support of Weeden. 99% of you can not say the same
all I am saying is dont be to faced...Hate Weeden now love him come on man!!!!!! You can look at every post I have ever put on here in support of Weeden. 99% of you can not say the same
I've always supported Weeden, and will continue to until he is no longer a viable option at QB. Hopefully, that isn't for many years to come...
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