Chud Hire Means We Are Going After Ej Manuel
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Because it worked so well for Philly and the Jets.
I don't think two shut down corners are necessarily what we 'need'. Just having enough speed and smarts to make plays... Hell, Sheldon Brown even made some plays this year. I have a feeling we will go after some more DBs in later round but I wouldn't be surprised if they take 'the best available' at #6.
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Because it worked so well for Philly and the Jets.
Hmm, Revis went down, only shut down corner they had. Cromartie was never a shut down corner in SD,so they were fleeced when they picked him up. Laron landry had one of his best tackling seasons, but other than that a average S.
Their LB core is ok, but getting up there. average age of 30. David Harris is still pretty good.
D line, who they have?
Eagles, get what you pay for, well in this case maybe not. Funny how things work out.
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If the pick is D, and Millner is there, might as well pencil it in. 2 shut down corners make the D line and LB's that much better and effective.
If the pick is D, and Millner is there, might as well pencil it in. 2 shut down corners make the D line and LB's that much better and effective.
When your top sacker on the team finished the season with 7 and he will more than likely have to switch positions to stay on the team, alone with the fact that our second best sacker is 35 and has never and will never play OLB, your priority in the draft is going to be that great 3-4 OLB pass rush specialist. Thank god there are a few good ones available this year, even if we trade down a bit.
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If the pick is D, and Millner is there, might as well pencil it in. 2 shut down corners make the D line and LB's that much better and effective.
When your top sacker on the team finished the season with 7 and he will more than likely have to switch positions to stay on the team, alone with the fact that our second best sacker is 35 and has never and will never play OLB, your priority in the draft is going to be that great 3-4 OLB pass rush specialist. Thank god there are a few good ones available this year, even if we trade down a bit.
When your top sacker on the team finished the season with 7 and he will more than likely have to switch positions to stay on the team, alone with the fact that our second best sacker is 35 and has never and will never play OLB, your priority in the draft is going to be that great 3-4 OLB pass rush specialist. Thank god there are a few good ones available this year, even if we trade down a bit.
Ok, i'll give you that. But if you have 2 corners that can shut down. That in turn will give the Dline and lb's more time to make the plays we have been lacking....What do they call them, coverage sacks. But again this is all dependent on if they switch to the 3-4 sigh again. I'm all for the trading down, but staying in the 10-16 range and ;maybe a 2nd round pick thrown in as well. Is there anyone that will be willing to trade into that spot and add the 2nd rd. pick?
GO After Cliff Avril in FA, I would like him and Sheard on the ends.
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When your top sacker on the team finished the season with 7 and he will more than likely have to switch positions to stay on the team, alone with the fact that our second best sacker is 35 and has never and will never play OLB, your priority in the draft is going to be that great 3-4 OLB pass rush specialist. Thank god there are a few good ones available this year, even if we trade down a bit.
Ok, i'll give you that. But if you have 2 corners that can shut down. That in turn will give the Dline and lb's more time to make the plays we have been lacking....What do they call them, coverage sacks. But again this is all dependent on if they switch to the 3-4 sigh again. I'm all for the trading down, but staying in the 10-16 range and ;maybe a 2nd round pick thrown in as well. Is there anyone that will be willing to trade into that spot and add the 2nd rd. pick?
GO After Cliff Avril in FA, I would like him and Sheard on the ends.
Ok, i'll give you that. But if you have 2 corners that can shut down. That in turn will give the Dline and lb's more time to make the plays we have been lacking....What do they call them, coverage sacks. But again this is all dependent on if they switch to the 3-4 sigh again. I'm all for the trading down, but staying in the 10-16 range and ;maybe a 2nd round pick thrown in as well. Is there anyone that will be willing to trade into that spot and add the 2nd rd. pick?
GO After Cliff Avril in FA, I would like him and Sheard on the ends.
I think it is a well known fact that it is easier to get by with less talent at DB if you have high pressuring pass rusher than to get coverage sacks with average rusher but great DBs. It doesn't matter how good your secondary is, if you can't get to the QB fast enough, a WR, TE, or RB will get open.
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Ok, i'll give you that. But if you have 2 corners that can shut down. That in turn will give the Dline and lb's more time to make the plays we have been lacking....What do they call them, coverage sacks. But again this is all dependent on if they switch to the 3-4 sigh again. I'm all for the trading down, but staying in the 10-16 range and ;maybe a 2nd round pick thrown in as well. Is there anyone that will be willing to trade into that spot and add the 2nd rd. pick?
GO After Cliff Avril in FA, I would like him and Sheard on the ends.
I think it is a well known fact that it is easier to get by with less talent at DB if you have high pressuring pass rusher than to get coverage sacks with average rusher but great DBs. It doesn't matter how good your secondary is, if you can't get to the QB fast enough, a WR, TE, or RB will get open.
I think it is a well known fact that it is easier to get by with less talent at DB if you have high pressuring pass rusher than to get coverage sacks with average rusher but great DBs. It doesn't matter how good your secondary is, if you can't get to the QB fast enough, a WR, TE, or RB will get open.
Lets just say that it will be a hard choice for Chud/Lombardi/Banner/Haslam/whoever to make if Dee Milliner is still there along with one or two of the top rated pass rushers like Jones/Werner/Moore etc.
That is what these guys are paid to do: make a choice and get it right.
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If the pick is D, and Millner is there, might as well pencil it in. 2 shut down corners make the D line and LB's that much better and effective.
When your top sacker on the team finished the season with 7 and he will more than likely have to switch positions to stay on the team, alone with the fact that our second best sacker is 35 and has never and will never play OLB, your priority in the draft is going to be that great 3-4 OLB pass rush specialist. Thank god there are a few good ones available this year, even if we trade down a bit.
When your top sacker on the team finished the season with 7 and he will more than likely have to switch positions to stay on the team, alone with the fact that our second best sacker is 35 and has never and will never play OLB, your priority in the draft is going to be that great 3-4 OLB pass rush specialist. Thank god there are a few good ones available this year, even if we trade down a bit.
There is no way we switch to just a 3-4 defense! Most defenses in the nfl these days are a hybrid of both anyway. If we switched to just play the 3-4 than we'd have to trade Phil Taylor as he would have no where to play with Rubin already knowing the NT position under Mangini and we're not trading Taylor. Who ever comes in to run the defense will most likely utilize all fronts and the personnel we already have much as how Chud explained it in his presser. Relax! What we do know is that this defense will not be a bend and break Jauron D. We will see lots of blitzing and attacking as Chud stated.
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When your top sacker on the team finished the season with 7 and he will more than likely have to switch positions to stay on the team, alone with the fact that our second best sacker is 35 and has never and will never play OLB, your priority in the draft is going to be that great 3-4 OLB pass rush specialist. Thank god there are a few good ones available this year, even if we trade down a bit.
There is no way we switch to just a 3-4 defense! Most defenses in the nfl these days are a hybrid of both anyway. If we switched to just play the 3-4 than we'd have to trade Phil Taylor as he would have no where to play with Rubin already knowing the NT position under Mangini and we're not trading Taylor. Who ever comes in to run the defense will most likely utilize all fronts and the personnel we already have much as how Chud explained it in his presser. Relax! What we do know is that this defense will not be a bend and break Jauron D. We will see lots of blitzing and attacking as Chud stated.
There is no way we switch to just a 3-4 defense! Most defenses in the nfl these days are a hybrid of both anyway. If we switched to just play the 3-4 than we'd have to trade Phil Taylor as he would have no where to play with Rubin already knowing the NT position under Mangini and we're not trading Taylor. Who ever comes in to run the defense will most likely utilize all fronts and the personnel we already have much as how Chud explained it in his presser. Relax! What we do know is that this defense will not be a bend and break Jauron D. We will see lots of blitzing and attacking as Chud stated.
Honestly I think Taylor has enough athleticism to plat DE in the 3-4.
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I think it is a well known fact that it is easier to get by with less talent at DB if you have high pressuring pass rusher than to get coverage sacks with average rusher but great DBs. It doesn't matter how good your secondary is, if you can't get to the QB fast enough, a WR, TE, or RB will get open.
Lets just say that it will be a hard choice for Chud/Lombardi/Banner/Haslam/whoever to make if Dee Milliner is still there along with one or two of the top rated pass rushers like Jones/Werner/Moore etc.
That is what these guys are paid to do: make a choice and get it right.
Lets just say that it will be a hard choice for Chud/Lombardi/Banner/Haslam/whoever to make if Dee Milliner is still there along with one or two of the top rated pass rushers like Jones/Werner/Moore etc.
That is what these guys are paid to do: make a choice and get it right.
I agree with you Gipper and first round busts for pass rushers is very high not so much for CB's. I could give you guys wanting a pass rusher a huge list of bust pass rushers, Gholston & Maybin off the top of my head come to mind and i could look up 15 more if you'd like? You draft the sure fire thing in the top 15 and for me that is Milliner or Teo. We don't want a repeat of losing a Ngata to draft a Wimpley. We lost a future HOF because Savage wanted a pass rusher much like you guys!
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There is no way we switch to just a 3-4 defense! Most defenses in the nfl these days are a hybrid of both anyway. If we switched to just play the 3-4 than we'd have to trade Phil Taylor as he would have no where to play with Rubin already knowing the NT position under Mangini and we're not trading Taylor. Who ever comes in to run the defense will most likely utilize all fronts and the personnel we already have much as how Chud explained it in his presser. Relax! What we do know is that this defense will not be a bend and break Jauron D. We will see lots of blitzing and attacking as Chud stated.
Honestly I think Taylor has enough athleticism to plat DE in the 3-4.
Honestly I think Taylor has enough athleticism to plat DE in the 3-4.
No he doesnt, he's not nearly fast enough. He is however a prototypical NT in the 3-4 but we already have that in Rubin and we know hes good at it. Winn fits a DE in the 3-4 perfect and he played that positon at Boise. Mark my workds we're gonaa run a hybrid D. its done alot these days, Carolina runs it, Arizona runs it, Bmore runs it, Denver, NE, Jets. thats just the teams i can think of.
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Lets just say that it will be a hard choice for Chud/Lombardi/Banner/Haslam/whoever to make if Dee Milliner is still there along with one or two of the top rated pass rushers like Jones/Werner/Moore etc.
That is what these guys are paid to do: make a choice and get it right.
I agree with you Gipper and first round busts for pass rushers is very high not so much for CB's. I could give you guys wanting a pass rusher a huge list of bust pass rushers, Gholston & Maybin off the top of my head come to mind and i could look up 15 more if you'd like? You draft the sure fire thing in the top 15 and for me that is Milliner or Teo. We don't want a repeat of losing a Ngata to draft a Wimpley. We lost a future HOF because Savage wanted a pass rusher much like you guys!
I agree with you Gipper and first round busts for pass rushers is very high not so much for CB's. I could give you guys wanting a pass rusher a huge list of bust pass rushers, Gholston & Maybin off the top of my head come to mind and i could look up 15 more if you'd like? You draft the sure fire thing in the top 15 and for me that is Milliner or Teo. We don't want a repeat of losing a Ngata to draft a Wimpley. We lost a future HOF because Savage wanted a pass rusher much like you guys!
Right now, I think I personally would be inclined to go the route of Milliner if he were there.
Hell, with Chud...you never know, he may want to go offense, and get that big OG out of Alabama.
Wouldn't that make Ghoolie happy?
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Honestly I think Taylor has enough athleticism to plat DE in the 3-4.
No he doesnt, he's not nearly fast enough. He is however a prototypical NT in the 3-4 but we already have that in Rubin and we know hes good at it. Winn fits a DE in the 3-4 perfect and he played that positon at Boise. Mark my workds we're gonaa run a hybrid D. its done alot these days, Carolina runs it, Arizona runs it, Bmore runs it, Denver, NE, Jets. thats just the teams i can think of.
No he doesnt, he's not nearly fast enough. He is however a prototypical NT in the 3-4 but we already have that in Rubin and we know hes good at it. Winn fits a DE in the 3-4 perfect and he played that positon at Boise. Mark my workds we're gonaa run a hybrid D. its done alot these days, Carolina runs it, Arizona runs it, Bmore runs it, Denver, NE, Jets. thats just the teams i can think of.
I disagree. He is about the same size as Raven's DE Haloti Ngata, they both turn out similar 40 times, and from watching Phil, he is fairly athletic. Just my opinion though.
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3-4 D-linemen don't need to be fast, they need strength and need to be able to plug gaps and eat blockers. IMO Taylor, Rubin, Winn on the 3-4 front would be great; however, we are weak at LB much like when Crennel was here. We would have to make big jumps in FA to get a decent 3-4 base. Plus, if Sheard did not work out at OLB it could be a disaster, and Rucker (who is signed through '15) doesn't fit either. I guess they could pull it off, but it doesn't seem like a smart move if they make the change.
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Lets just say that it will be a hard choice for Chud/Lombardi/Banner/Haslam/whoever to make if Dee Milliner is still there along with one or two of the top rated pass rushers like Jones/Werner/Moore etc.
That is what these guys are paid to do: make a choice and get it right.
I agree with you Gipper and first round busts for pass rushers is very high not so much for CB's. I could give you guys wanting a pass rusher a huge list of bust pass rushers, Gholston & Maybin off the top of my head come to mind and i could look up 15 more if you'd like? You draft the sure fire thing in the top 15 and for me that is Milliner or Teo. We don't want a repeat of losing a Ngata to draft a Wimpley. We lost a future HOF because Savage wanted a pass rusher much like you guys!
I agree with you Gipper and first round busts for pass rushers is very high not so much for CB's. I could give you guys wanting a pass rusher a huge list of bust pass rushers, Gholston & Maybin off the top of my head come to mind and i could look up 15 more if you'd like? You draft the sure fire thing in the top 15 and for me that is Milliner or Teo. We don't want a repeat of losing a Ngata to draft a Wimpley. We lost a future HOF because Savage wanted a pass rusher much like you guys!
I haven't watched that much Notre Dame football- and maybe it was just a horrible game, but Teo absolutely stunk in the National Championship game. It wasn't just missing tackles that concerned me, it was constantly being out of position on pass plays, and an inability to shed blocks. Frankly, 'Bamas center, Barret Jones who will also go first round destroyed him.
Seriously, I was asking myself- "How in the hell did this guy win the Butkus award?" Plus it looks like Teo is an ILB, and that's a lot lower on the Browns priority list.
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I believe we'll run whatever defense gives us the best chance to stop the offense on that particular day. Matchup a and down and distance should dictate formation and personnel. That's what I like about Chud, he understands that and isn't a stubborn asshole that sticks to his system because it worked in the past.
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Apparently Chud is trying to bring back Derek Anderson.
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Well Schefter is reporting that Chud is targeting Pagano out of SD as the DC. Also said something about running a hybrid D, showing multiple fronts. Don't know much about Pagano, but his D last year was ranked 24th?
Well Schefter is reporting that Chud is targeting Pagano out of SD as the DC. Also said something about running a hybrid D, showing multiple fronts. Don't know much about Pagano, but his D last year was ranked 24th?
24th? According to who?
San Diego's D finished ranked:
9th Total Yds/Gm allowed
18th Pass Yds/Gm allowed
6th Rush Yds/Gm allowed
16th Pts/Gm allowed
All categories better than the Browns last year.
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No he doesnt, he's not nearly fast enough. He is however a prototypical NT in the 3-4 but we already have that in Rubin and we know hes good at it. Winn fits a DE in the 3-4 perfect and he played that positon at Boise. Mark my workds we're gonaa run a hybrid D. its done alot these days, Carolina runs it, Arizona runs it, Bmore runs it, Denver, NE, Jets. thats just the teams i can think of.
I disagree. He is about the same size as Raven's DE Haloti Ngata, they both turn out similar 40 times, and from watching Phil, he is fairly athletic. Just my opinion though.
I disagree. He is about the same size as Raven's DE Haloti Ngata, they both turn out similar 40 times, and from watching Phil, he is fairly athletic. Just my opinion though.
Haloti is a one of kind athlete that can play both technics much like Justin Smith in SF. Taylor is very talented but not at there level, both are sure fire HOFers.
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I agree with you Gipper and first round busts for pass rushers is very high not so much for CB's. I could give you guys wanting a pass rusher a huge list of bust pass rushers, Gholston & Maybin off the top of my head come to mind and i could look up 15 more if you'd like? You draft the sure fire thing in the top 15 and for me that is Milliner or Teo. We don't want a repeat of losing a Ngata to draft a Wimpley. We lost a future HOF because Savage wanted a pass rusher much like you guys!
I haven't watched that much Notre Dame football- and maybe it was just a horrible game, but Teo absolutely stunk in the National Championship game. It wasn't just missing tackles that concerned me, it was constantly being out of position on pass plays, and an inability to shed blocks. Frankly, 'Bamas center, Barret Jones who will also go first round destroyed him.
Seriously, I was asking myself- "How in the hell did this guy win the Butkus award?" Plus it looks like Teo is an ILB, and that's a lot lower on the Browns priority list.
I haven't watched that much Notre Dame football- and maybe it was just a horrible game, but Teo absolutely stunk in the National Championship game. It wasn't just missing tackles that concerned me, it was constantly being out of position on pass plays, and an inability to shed blocks. Frankly, 'Bamas center, Barret Jones who will also go first round destroyed him.
Seriously, I was asking myself- "How in the hell did this guy win the Butkus award?" Plus it looks like Teo is an ILB, and that's a lot lower on the Browns priority list.
That game was not indicative of Manti's ability it was probable the worst game ive ever watched him play and ive watched most. Granted some will say he faced the stiffest competition and in the biggest game of his career and didnt show up, but i think most draftniks still believe he is a very safe pick as being a great LB. How good is the question personally? I think he'll be compared with the Urlachers, Lewis's, but i am a homer. Is he worth taking as high as 6, i'm not sure about that, amybe you trade down a few spots and get him. What i do know is i want a safe pick for our first rounder, we can ill afford to miss on that one. Wether that be a sure fire interior linemen, shutdown corner, or a great LB i don't care as long as its a safe pick and the player contributes highly for years to come. I think drafting a pass rusher in the first round is a HUGE gamble this team cannot afford to take.
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