Draft Thoughts 2013
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Wouldn't mind moving back as far as it takes to get a second round pick. I am hoping we could trade down and still get a good edge guy like B'jorn Warner and pick up Matt Elam (safety from florida).
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Maybe the Rams get antsy with Bradford or fall in love with someone early and we can trade back for their two first rounders. Then we could grab two of the following these guys: Chance Warmack, Xavier Rhodes, Dion Jordon/Sam Montgomery. Then we can hope that Joseph Fauria at TE is around in the third. My only other draft opinion is that we should stay away from Jones in the first because spinal stenosis is a serious condition and a threat to his career.
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Round 1 - Pick 6 Keenan Allen WR, CAL
Round 3 - Gabe Jackson G, Miss St, or if he isn't available, Landry Jones QB, Oklahoma, how funny would that be!
Round 4 - Levine Toiolo TE, Stanford
then go defense the rest of the way
Round 1 - Pick 6 Keenan Allen WR, CAL
Round 3 - Gabe Jackson G, Miss St, or if he isn't available, Landry Jones QB, Oklahoma, how funny would that be!
Round 4 - Levine Toiolo TE, Stanford
then go defense the rest of the way
No way we go offense heavy if we move to a 3-4, we would need a rush LB as top priority.
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Round 1 - Pick 6 Keenan Allen WR, CAL
Round 3 - Gabe Jackson G, Miss St, or if he isn't available, Landry Jones QB, Oklahoma, how funny would that be!
Round 4 - Levine Toiolo TE, Stanford
then go defense the rest of the way
Round 4 - Levine Toiolo TE, Stanford
Toilolo disappears in games. After you watch stanford you wonder if he actually played.
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In my Mock above the two guys I definitely want are Michael Williams and Rontez Miles. Williams might rise throughout the draft process (if he checks out athletically), and may rise the third round. Having him would do wonders for the ground game especially if Chud relies on Double Tight Sets. And Miles looks like a legit prospect, even though he routinely was the best athlete on the field when he played in D2.
Ideally the Browns can hope that Star Lotulelei falls to their pick and then they can entertain offers from the Dolphins, Saints, or Panthers. If they could recoup a second rounder and get the the middle of the round, a player like Chance Warmack, Dion Jordan, or Ezekiel Ansah would be great. This year I am all for trading down with the depth this draft has with pass rushers.
A Darkhorse Prospect I would love the Browns to take a chance on is Denard Robinson as a RB/Slot Receiver. He would probably need to be taken in the third round, which may be too high for a luxury pick, but he would be a great weapon on offense and special teams. If Robinson were to get something like 50 carries and 30 designed receptions on screens or slants, he would probably be worth a third rounder by scoring touchdowns. My main concern is that he probably will not hold up in the NFL.
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In my Mock above the two guys I definitely want are Michael Williams and Rontez Miles. Williams might rise throughout the draft process (if he checks out athletically), and may rise the third round. Having him would do wonders for the ground game especially if Chud relies on Double Tight Sets. And Miles looks like a legit prospect, even though he routinely was the best athlete on the field when he played in D2.
Ideally the Browns can hope that Star Lotulelei falls to their pick and then they can entertain offers from the Dolphins, Saints, or Panthers. If they could recoup a second rounder and get the the middle of the round, a player like Chance Warmack, Dion Jordan, or Ezekiel Ansah would be great. This year I am all for trading down with the depth this draft has with pass rushers.
A Darkhorse Prospect I would love the Browns to take a chance on is Denard Robinson as a RB/Slot Receiver. He would probably need to be taken in the third round, which may be too high for a luxury pick, but he would be a great weapon on offense and special teams. If Robinson were to get something like 50 carries and 30 designed receptions on screens or slants, he would probably be worth a third rounder by scoring touchdowns. My main concern is that he probably will not hold up in the NFL.
A Darkhorse Prospect I would love the Browns to take a chance on is Denard Robinson as a RB/Slot Receiver. He would probably need to be taken in the third round, which may be too high for a luxury pick, but he would be a great weapon on offense and special teams. If Robinson were to get something like 50 carries and 30 designed receptions on screens or slants, he would probably be worth a third rounder by scoring touchdowns. My main concern is that he probably will not hold up in the NFL.
Denard is actual more durable than people give him credit for. He went out a lot his first year starting (Soph year) but never missed a game. Many of the times that he went out it had to do with him being able to do the things he needed to do as a QB (injuries to his throwing arm). In the offseason he put on muscle and was able to stay in more his Jr year while still running the ball almost as much. The injury he suffered at the end of this year was nerve damage to his elbow on his throwing arm after a Nebraska palyer stepped on it.
ESPN lists him at 6', 197lbs. That is probably being generous in the height. He'll probably put on some more weight as he trains for the Sr Bowl and combine as a WR/HB/returner.
Some comparable guys:
Dexter McCluster 5'8'' 170lbs
DeSeasn Jackson 5'10'' 175lbs
Danny Woodhead 5'8'' 200lbs
Chris Johnson 5'11'' 191lbs
Daren Sproles 5'6'' 190lbs
Antwaan Randle El 5'10'' 190lbs
Wes Welker 5'9'' 185lbs
Percy Harvin 5'11'' 184lbs
Randall Cobb 5'10'' 192lbs
If you watched the Michigsn v South Carolina game he was actually running between the tackles and running through guys. He was fighting for yards and this was against a defense with future NFL players.
I'm not trying to be too much of a homer I am just trying to be helpful
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Another late guy to keep an eye on is Sam McGuffie.
Lol really? What has he been up to at Rice since transferring from U of M? He had his moments here as a freshman.
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He switched to slot reciever. Still runs a 4.4 but switched due to concussions. Had a pretty good year this year, but hes definitely a weapon, will be around late and maybe go undrafted depending on workouts.
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
He switched to slot reciever. Still runs a 4.4 but switched due to concussions. Had a pretty good year this year, but hes definitely a weapon, will be around late and maybe go undrafted depending on workouts.
Yeah he had like 3 his freshman year here
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Maybe the Rams get antsy with Bradford or fall in love with someone early and we can trade back for their two first rounders. Then we could grab two of the following these guys: Chance Warmack, Xavier Rhodes, Dion Jordon/Sam Montgomery. Then we can hope that Joseph Fauria at TE is around in the third. My only other draft opinion is that we should stay away from Jones in the first because spinal stenosis is a serious condition and a threat to his career.
Maybe the Rams get antsy with Bradford or fall in love with someone early and we can trade back for their two first rounders. Then we could grab two of the following these guys: Chance Warmack, Xavier Rhodes, Dion Jordon/Sam Montgomery. Then we can hope that Joseph Fauria at TE is around in the third. My only other draft opinion is that we should stay away from Jones in the first because spinal stenosis is a serious condition and a threat to his career.
I was just thinking that. If someone had 2 first rounders it might be worth thinking of trading with them for some depth of quality picks.
It looks like right now that the Rams have the #16 and something like #22-23.
Picking up both a Sam Montgomery and Chance Warmack sounds sweet.
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Right now, pre-combine, this year seems pretty clear cut (IMHO):
at #6 take : Jarvis Jones OLB, Damontre Moore OLB, Bjoern Werner OLB, or Dee Milliner CB
in that order, if they are available. Which at least one of them will. If not, trade down and try to take:
Barkevious Mingo OLB, Jonathan Banks CB, Matt Elam S, or Sam Montgomery OLB
Really, of all the projected first rounders so far, these are the guys we could use. With the switch to 3-4 appearing all but a foregone conclusion, it seems we will have to hit FA hard to add to our D, especially at LB, but we REALLY need help at FS and CB as well.
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I agree that our offense played worse than our D last year but with the combination of our offense having so much youth and our D losing starters to FA (more than likely) the pick will be defense, depending on what we do in FA it'll probably be OLB or CB. As for needing a QB, I agree we need better play from that position but Weeden, deservingly so, will get another year. The guy may be able to put it together with a new offense, and there are no clear cut upgrades available. As for all that trade stuff Ghoolie is spewing about, uhhh u have no idea what youre talking about.
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@king-ghoolie-lives said:
The Browns need offensive weapons. It is far too early to predict the draft. A lot will depend on how active they are in free agency.
We need a QB, a FB, two WRs and a badass TE. Those are the most important and immediate needs.
The Browns played good enough on defense not to require a major overhaul there. LIkewise this team is not going to waste high picks for OL like we did with Joe "I can't move sideways" Thomas.
The Browns have listened to the Cleveland media and assholes like Doug Dieken for the past 13 years and it has produced a Pro Bowl offensive line and a thimble of wins.
Those days are over. The Browns need playmakers. Whether by draft, trade or FA, the focus must be on offensive playmakers.
The Browns just drafted just about everything you say they need last year: QB: Weeden,
2 WRs: Gordon/Benjamin, FB: Smelley. They picked up a WR and a TE the year before.
Sure, it would be nice to replace everything we have with Tom Brady, Jim Brown, Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, and Tony Gonzales
....but that ain't gonna happen. They are going to go with what they have. They cannot afford to do a wholesale change of their offensive skill players one year after they did a wholesale change of their offensive skill players.
They may try to pick up some of what you say in FA....but I think they are stuck to a large extent with what they got.
What they needed MOST was some decent coaching....hopefully THAT is the wholesale change that was required that will be successful.
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@king-ghoolie-lives said:
I think the third round pick, with McCoy and Cribbs could get us another second round pick.
Perhaps the third, Cribbs and Joe Thomas could get us another 1st, but I doubt it.
I think Cribbs is set to be a FA....so that would mean they have no right to trade him, unless they sign him first.
And JT ain't going nowhere. If you think so then you have been smoking too much of your own sausage.
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How do you guys see Phil Taylor playing end?
How do you guys see Phil Taylor playing end?
I can see phil playing all 3 line positions if we switch to 3-4, that defense requires bigger linemen anyway 3 DT's essentially, you dont use your typical DE's in the 3-4
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