Rob Chudzinski Officially New Hc Of Browns
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Rooster Dick would only be happy if Brady Queen was the QB, Coach, and GM of the Browns. For rooster dick, He's the only one good looking enough. Rooster Dick sure has a thing for QB's who can only throw 8 yards downfield.
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Interesting hire to say the least and if in fact Norv is coming as OC, that is a major coup. Among the things I find myself agreeing with Good Ghoulie on in this thread is that Norv is a first rate OC.
Maybe the most encouraging thing I see in Norv's coming is that a former boss of Chud's thinks Chud is someone he'd like to work for. Says a great deal about the character of both men.
---->>> Gip... How many times have a NFL HC and OC (or DC for that matter) flipped roles later on in their careers?
I have some reservations about a vertical passing game in Cleveland in December, but happy to save those for another day.
Now to the 3-4 thread...
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Sadly, you can talk all you want about what he did with Derek Anderson. Big whoop. The Carolina offense, which has more talent than ours, sucked balls this season. Guess who the OC was? Our new HC. Enjoy trying to turn Weeden into a Golden Turd.
Sadly, you can talk all you want about what he did with Derek Anderson. Big whoop. The Carolina offense, which has more talent than ours, sucked balls this season. Guess who the OC was? Our new HC. Enjoy trying to turn Weeden into a Golden Turd.
So getting 10 wins and a Pro Bowl nod for an inept, Retarded lumberjack for a QB doesn't mean anything. But going 7-9 with Cam Newton means he's an absolute failure.
By the way, the Carolina Panthers finished 12th this season in YPG, 18th in PPG, averaged 20 first downs a game and had a 3rd down percentage of nearly 50%.
The Browns, on the other hand, finished 25th in YPG, 24th in PPG, averaged 17 first downs a game and had a 3rd down percentage of 31%.
The Carolina offense was middle of the pack or better in every major statistical category and were head and shoulders better than Cleveland's offense.
It doesn't hurt to do a little research.
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Sadly, you can talk all you want about what he did with Derek Anderson. Big whoop. The Carolina offense, which has more talent than ours, sucked balls this season. Guess who the OC was? Our new HC. Enjoy trying to turn Weeden into a Golden Turd.
Sadly, you can talk all you want about what he did with Derek Anderson. Big whoop. The Carolina offense, which has more talent than ours, sucked balls this season. Guess who the OC was? Our new HC. Enjoy trying to turn Weeden into a Golden Turd.
Chud doesn't play defense and the majority of Carolinas problems were on defense. They failed to hold leads late in the game. The lost to Tampa on last play, lost to Atlanta late letting them drive like 60yds in 20 or so seconds after Cam led them to late lead. Let Chicago score 17 4th quarter points to beat them by 1 point. The reason the Panthers weren't in the playoffs wasn't because of their offense.
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come on man. i want to hear more about the rooster dick, or as most people call 'em...a cock a doodle doo..
i know if i was one of those old tired birds like diehardbrownsfan living in a shack in a potato field and that mutherfucker woke me up.....he wouldn't be doing it again tomorrow.
wouldn't even need a gun. just a big ass coffee cup and a piece of wire.
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Cabot says Jauron is possibly gone so there you have it.... sheesh
Seriously... the 3-4 didnt work for Crennel, he couldnt find the players in the draft... took years to build and still no success
continuity for this defense that is showing some real progress is important IMO - and keeping Jauron is the start
i agree that switching to the 3-4 is a bad idea. i don't really care one way or the other about Jauron. Our defense last year was weak and unimpressive.
The 3-4 only works when teams commit to it over the long term. Teams that flip flop back and forth tend to never be good at either.
i agree that switching to the 3-4 is a bad idea. i don't really care one way or the other about Jauron. Our defense last year was weak and unimpressive.
The 3-4 only works when teams commit to it over the long term. Teams that flip flop back and forth tend to never be good at either.
I agree. We were unimpressive on D.
As a general rule I do favor the 3-4. If for no other reason it puts a little more speed on the field, which in our case is a good thing since we are usually trying to chase down opposing players.
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---->>> Gip... How many times have a NFL HC and OC (or DC for that matter) flipped roles later on in their careers?
I don't have a clue. I doubt they keep statistics on that. It has probably happened any number of times however.
I mean, with Ray Rhodes/Dick Jauron/Brad Childress on the last Browns staff it is possible that Pat Shurmur worked for one of them at one time.
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One I can think if is the Rams Martz HC,Lovie Smith DC > Bears Smith HC,MArtz OC
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still don't know why we didn't look at billick. all these wonder boy coordinators and ex head coaches aren't wearing a ring like billick.
he must be on a 'black' list somewhere.
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still don't know why we didn't look at billick. all these wonder boy coordinators and ex head coaches aren't wearing a ring like billick.
he must be on a 'black' list somewhere.
still don't know why we didn't look at billick. all these wonder boy coordinators and ex head coaches aren't wearing a ring like billick.
he must be on a 'black' list somewhere.
LOL, how many Rings did Crennell collect before he became the Browns Coach? Gipper will tell you off the top of his head how many HCs have won SBs with more than one team (I can't) but IIRC it's one, or two at most.
Bill-dick's black listed because he was a pompous ass living on his reputation when the Ratbirds hired him. Pretty easy to look brilliant when you have Randy Moss and Chris Carter catching the rock. The only reason "Mr. Offensive Genius" won his SB is he lucked into one of the greatest defenses of all time, that happened to have one of the luckiest runs in history on their way to the Lombardi.
If Ozzie & Biscotti thought he had outlived his usefulness in B-more, why would you want their retread?
I haven't forgotten Cleveland wasn't good enough for him the first time around, either.
Haslam wanted a coach that was "all in". You couldn't find a guy who fits that description more than Chud. Billick's gone the way of Gruden and Mangini- nice cushy network job that pays well. Seems now he's got the "itch" to coach again, elsewhere fortunately.
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still don't know why we didn't look at billick. all these wonder boy coordinators and ex head coaches aren't wearing a ring like billick.
he must be on a 'black' list somewhere.
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Zero hoorta....its actually zero. Holmgren was the closest, and had that that distinction ripped from his hands. That's why he was so pissed about that game.
Now, it doesn't mean it'll never happen, but it hadsnt yet....which suggests hiring a retread, even a SB retread, is no more likely to get you one than there unproven coordinator route.
Lots of SB winning coaches out there that keep staying away....gruden, cowher, dungy, billick. Yeah..,its a wonder they haven't come back since they already know how easy it is to win the big one. Hmmm....
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still don't know why we didn't look at billick. all these wonder boy coordinators and ex head coaches aren't wearing a ring like billick.
he must be on a 'black' list somewhere.
LOL, how many Rings did Crennell collect before he became the Browns Coach? Gipper will tell you off the top of his head how many HCs have won SBs with more than one team (I can't) but IIRC it's one, or two at most.
Bill-dick's black listed because he was a pompous ass living on his reputation when the Ratbirds hired him. Pretty easy to look brilliant when you have Randy Moss and Chris Carter catching the rock. The only reason "Mr. Offensive Genius" won his SB is he lucked into one of the greatest defenses of all time, that happened to have one of the luckiest runs in history on their way to the Lombardi.
If Ozzie & Biscotti thought he had outlived his usefulness in B-more, why would you want their retread?
I haven't forgotten Cleveland wasn't good enough for him the first time around, either.
Haslam wanted a coach that was "all in". You couldn't find a guy who fits that description more than Chud. Billick's gone the way of Gruden and Mangini- nice cushy network job that pays well. Seems now he's got the "itch" to coach again, elsewhere fortunately.
LOL, how many Rings did Crennell collect before he became the Browns Coach? Gipper will tell you off the top of his head how many HCs have won SBs with more than one team (I can't) but IIRC it's one, or two at most.
Actually...the number is exactly zero. Only 3 coaches have taken 2 different teams to the SB: Shula: Colts/Dolphins, Parcells: Giants/Pats, Holmgren: Packers/Seahawks
However, Weeb Ewbank did win titles with 2 teams: 58/59 Colts and 68 Jets, and I believe Guy Chamberlain was coach of two different teams, including the Canton Bulldogs, back in the 20s.
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I cant believe some of you Browns fans are upset about this hire. Im not a Browns/Panthers fan so let me give you an unbiased opinion:
The BEST coaches in the world, at football and/or anything else make a plan/scheme that adheres to their players strengths, and does not try to force players to go with their own scheme. They adapt. Chudzinksi has shown in Carolina that not only did he adapt an offense purely for Cam Newton, but he made it simple enough that guy that apparently (from reports) does not have great football smarts.
People also forget that it was actually Carolina that started this Read/Option fad in the NFL thats taken the league by storm.
Cam Newton had a great rookie year AND had a GREAT sophmore year as well. Go look at his stats this year. He threw less int's, and threw for more TDs then his rookie year.
For people that think Carolina has talent, that makes me laugh. They had no run game excdept a handful of games where Deangelo Williams had a couple big runs, other than that their running backs are an absolute joke. Their best receiver is an old man who is 5'9" and to top it off, their offensive line was battered all year.
The defense started off slow but that defense did do much better halfway through the season. Carolina was actually a very good team this year, think they went 5-1 in the last 6 games.
Chud was a great hire, you guys really should be excited, he will make a plan to cater to Weeden/Trich/Gordons strengths.
In all honesty, I think he was a steal.
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I like Chud as a coach, but damn it I cant stand to see the word Chud. Lets call him Rob please!
I hope we bring in Greg Jennings at wr and Dom. Cromartie as a DB.
Also, I may be getting stationed back in Ohio, so I cant wait to go watch a home game again. Go Browns!!!
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I cant believe some of you Browns fans are upset about this hire. Im not a Browns/Panthers fan so let me give you an unbiased opinion:
The BEST coaches in the world, at football and/or anything else make a plan/scheme that adheres to their players strengths, and does not try to force players to go with their own scheme. They adapt. Chudzinksi has shown in Carolina that not only did he adapt an offense purely for Cam Newton, but he made it simple enough that guy that apparently (from reports) does not have great football smarts.
People also forget that it was actually Carolina that started this Read/Option fad in the NFL thats taken the league by storm.
Cam Newton had a great rookie year AND had a GREAT sophmore year as well. Go look at his stats this year. He threw less int's, and threw for more TDs then his rookie year.
For people that think Carolina has talent, that makes me laugh. They had no run game excdept a handful of games where Deangelo Williams had a couple big runs, other than that their running backs are an absolute joke. Their best receiver is an old man who is 5'9" and to top it off, their offensive line was battered all year.
The defense started off slow but that defense did do much better halfway through the season. Carolina was actually a very good team this year, think they went 5-1 in the last 6 games.
Chud was a great hire, you guys really should be excited, he will make a plan to cater to Weeden/Trich/Gordons strengths.
In all honesty, I think he was a steal.
I cant believe some of you Browns fans are upset about this hire. Im not a Browns/Panthers fan so let me give you an unbiased opinion:
The BEST coaches in the world, at football and/or anything else make a plan/scheme that adheres to their players strengths, and does not try to force players to go with their own scheme. They adapt. Chudzinksi has shown in Carolina that not only did he adapt an offense purely for Cam Newton, but he made it simple enough that guy that apparently (from reports) does not have great football smarts.
People also forget that it was actually Carolina that started this Read/Option fad in the NFL thats taken the league by storm.
Cam Newton had a great rookie year AND had a GREAT sophmore year as well. Go look at his stats this year. He threw less int's, and threw for more TDs then his rookie year.
For people that think Carolina has talent, that makes me laugh. They had no run game excdept a handful of games where Deangelo Williams had a couple big runs, other than that their running backs are an absolute joke. Their best receiver is an old man who is 5'9" and to top it off, their offensive line was battered all year.
The defense started off slow but that defense did do much better halfway through the season. Carolina was actually a very good team this year, think they went 5-1 in the last 6 games.
Chud was a great hire, you guys really should be excited, he will make a plan to cater to Weeden/Trich/Gordons strengths.
In all honesty, I think he was a steal.
don't get me wrong dude. i never said i didn't like the hire. it just came off as a fast pull of the trigger.
first it was "we're going to evaluate and come up with a list of candidates all of which we'll talk to, blah, blah, blah...." then obviously the first guy on the list: "OMG chip kelly! chip kelly!" then no chip kelly. then i don't even know if they talked to anyone else in the NFL. i know trestman was mentioned but he's CFL. then a day later we hire chudz.
they sure didn't interview everyone like they said they would and all i said is why is noone looking at billick. hell i know he's a pompous ass but so is harbaugh, so was bobby knight and some of the greatest minds are just hard to deal with.
chudz is younger and i agree will not gut a system or roster (turner might want to though) but i would think it's easier for someone who actually has done something to do it again than someone with no knowledge of it trying to do it for the first time.
all i'm saying. sure a lot of these guys don't want to coach anymore (cowher gruden etc.) because they know how hard it is. but if any of those guys said hey i'm willing to give it a shot they'd be first on your list.
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I cant believe some of you Browns fans are upset about this hire. Im not a Browns/Panthers fan so let me give you an unbiased opinion:
The BEST coaches in the world, at football and/or anything else make a plan/scheme that adheres to their players strengths, and does not try to force players to go with their own scheme. They adapt. Chudzinksi has shown in Carolina that not only did he adapt an offense purely for Cam Newton, but he made it simple enough that guy that apparently (from reports) does not have great football smarts.
People also forget that it was actually Carolina that started this Read/Option fad in the NFL thats taken the league by storm.
Cam Newton had a great rookie year AND had a GREAT sophmore year as well. Go look at his stats this year. He threw less int's, and threw for more TDs then his rookie year.
For people that think Carolina has talent, that makes me laugh. They had no run game excdept a handful of games where Deangelo Williams had a couple big runs, other than that their running backs are an absolute joke. Their best receiver is an old man who is 5'9" and to top it off, their offensive line was battered all year.
The defense started off slow but that defense did do much better halfway through the season. Carolina was actually a very good team this year, think they went 5-1 in the last 6 games.
Chud was a great hire, you guys really should be excited, he will make a plan to cater to Weeden/Trich/Gordons strengths.
In all honesty, I think he was a steal.
don't get me wrong dude. i never said i didn't like the hire. it just came off as a fast pull of the trigger.
first it was "we're going to evaluate and come up with a list of candidates all of which we'll talk to, blah, blah, blah...." then obviously the first guy on the list: "OMG chip kelly! chip kelly!" then no chip kelly. then i don't even know if they talked to anyone else in the NFL. i know trestman was mentioned but he's CFL. then a day later we hire chudz.
they sure didn't interview everyone like they said they would and all i said is why is noone looking at billick. hell i know he's a pompous ass but so is harbaugh, so was bobby knight and some of the greatest minds are just hard to deal with.
chudz is younger and i agree will not gut a system or roster (turner might want to though) but i would think it's easier for someone who actually has done something to do it again than someone with no knowledge of it trying to do it for the first time.
all i'm saying. sure a lot of these guys don't want to coach anymore (cowher gruden etc.) because they know how hard it is. but if any of those guys said hey i'm willing to give it a shot they'd be first on your list.
don't get me wrong dude. i never said i didn't like the hire. it just came off as a fast pull of the trigger.
first it was "we're going to evaluate and come up with a list of candidates all of which we'll talk to, blah, blah, blah...." then obviously the first guy on the list: "OMG chip kelly! chip kelly!" then no chip kelly. then i don't even know if they talked to anyone else in the NFL. i know trestman was mentioned but he's CFL. then a day later we hire chudz.
they sure didn't interview everyone like they said they would and all i said is why is noone looking at billick. hell i know he's a pompous ass but so is harbaugh, so was bobby knight and some of the greatest minds are just hard to deal with.
chudz is younger and i agree will not gut a system or roster (turner might want to though) but i would think it's easier for someone who actually has done something to do it again than someone with no knowledge of it trying to do it for the first time.
all i'm saying. sure a lot of these guys don't want to coach anymore (cowher gruden etc.) because they know how hard it is. but if any of those guys said hey i'm willing to give it a shot they'd be first on your list.
Cowher, Gruden, etc. are statistically just as likely to win a Super Bowl with Cleveland as Chud is.
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don't get me wrong dude. i never said i didn't like the hire. it just came off as a fast pull of the trigger.
first it was "we're going to evaluate and come up with a list of candidates all of which we'll talk to, blah, blah, blah...." then obviously the first guy on the list: "OMG chip kelly! chip kelly!" then no chip kelly. then i don't even know if they talked to anyone else in the NFL. i know trestman was mentioned but he's CFL. then a day later we hire chudz.
they sure didn't interview everyone like they said they would and all i said is why is noone looking at billick. hell i know he's a pompous ass but so is harbaugh, so was bobby knight and some of the greatest minds are just hard to deal with.
chudz is younger and i agree will not gut a system or roster (turner might want to though) but i would think it's easier for someone who actually has done something to do it again than someone with no knowledge of it trying to do it for the first time.
all i'm saying. sure a lot of these guys don't want to coach anymore (cowher gruden etc.) because they know how hard it is. but if any of those guys said hey i'm willing to give it a shot they'd be first on your list.
Cowher, Gruden, etc. are statistically just as likely to win a Super Bowl with Cleveland as Chud is.
Cowher, Gruden, etc. are statistically just as likely to win a Super Bowl with Cleveland as Chud is.
yes correct and i'm not disputing that.
at least we know the guys you mentioned know how to manage (be a HC) in the NFL. i mean manage other coaches, the media, being #1 to answer to pres. and owner etc. etc.
does chudz have that on his resume?
that's my point. i'm not trying to make this into an argument about we made a bad hire....i never said that. i brought it up for discussion to other people's opinions. most owner's of businesses when hiring for a new position from copy boy to CFO want to know that they have done the same job at another company with excellent reviews. in the real world there aren't too many employers willing to give someone that shot.
but if not for a couple of guys like haslam in my lifetime i'd have been stuck in the low end of an industry for decades.
i like giving a guy a shot. the problem is what if he turns out to be just another glorified coordinator and 3 years from now we're still a 5 and 11 team? will haslam stick to his word and keep the guy on as he said he "WILL KEEP STABILITY WITH THIS HIRE FOR YEARS AND YEARS TO COME."
will we all be calling for his head?
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Cowher, Gruden, etc. are statistically just as likely to win a Super Bowl with Cleveland as Chud is.
yes correct and i'm not disputing that.
at least we know the guys you mentioned know how to manage (be a HC) in the NFL. i mean manage other coaches, the media, being #1 to answer to pres. and owner etc. etc.
does chudz have that on his resume?
that's my point. i'm not trying to make this into an argument about we made a bad hire....i never said that. i brought it up for discussion to other people's opinions. most owner's of businesses when hiring for a new position from copy boy to CFO want to know that they have done the same job at another company with excellent reviews. in the real world there aren't too many employers willing to give someone that shot.
but if not for a couple of guys like haslam in my lifetime i'd have been stuck in the low end of an industry for decades.
i like giving a guy a shot. the problem is what if he turns out to be just another glorified coordinator and 3 years from now we're still a 5 and 11 team? will haslam stick to his word and keep the guy on as he said he "WILL KEEP STABILITY WITH THIS HIRE FOR YEARS AND YEARS TO COME."
will we all be calling for his head?
yes correct and i'm not disputing that.
at least we know the guys you mentioned know how to manage (be a HC) in the NFL. i mean manage other coaches, the media, being #1 to answer to pres. and owner etc. etc.
does chudz have that on his resume?
that's my point. i'm not trying to make this into an argument about we made a bad hire....i never said that. i brought it up for discussion to other people's opinions. most owner's of businesses when hiring for a new position from copy boy to CFO want to know that they have done the same job at another company with excellent reviews. in the real world there aren't too many employers willing to give someone that shot.
but if not for a couple of guys like haslam in my lifetime i'd have been stuck in the low end of an industry for decades.
i like giving a guy a shot. the problem is what if he turns out to be just another glorified coordinator and 3 years from now we're still a 5 and 11 team? will haslam stick to his word and keep the guy on as he said he "WILL KEEP STABILITY WITH THIS HIRE FOR YEARS AND YEARS TO COME."
will we all be calling for his head?
Look, did you want Haslam to interview every Tom, Dick, & Harry out there before he decided?
We have no idea if Jimmy & Banner did give a call to Gruden or Cowher and their peers, and got "sorry, not interested" back. Seriously, You think those ex-coaches turned commentators put in 80-100 hour weeks during the season? Why would they want to go back to that grind? A little research told me it's near impossible to pin down a commentators real salary, but reportedly Bob Costas makes $5 million a year, Chris Berman $3 million, so take it from there. A good guess would be the likes of Gruden and Cowher make damn near the salary of an NFL HC, with way better job security and 1\10 the hours involved.
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Cowher, Gruden, etc. are statistically just as likely to win a Super Bowl with Cleveland as Chud is.
yes correct and i'm not disputing that.
at least we know the guys you mentioned know how to manage (be a HC) in the NFL. i mean manage other coaches, the media, being #1 to answer to pres. and owner etc. etc.
does chudz have that on his resume?
that's my point. i'm not trying to make this into an argument about we made a bad hire....i never said that. i brought it up for discussion to other people's opinions. most owner's of businesses when hiring for a new position from copy boy to CFO want to know that they have done the same job at another company with excellent reviews. in the real world there aren't too many employers willing to give someone that shot.
but if not for a couple of guys like haslam in my lifetime i'd have been stuck in the low end of an industry for decades.
i like giving a guy a shot. the problem is what if he turns out to be just another glorified coordinator and 3 years from now we're still a 5 and 11 team? will haslam stick to his word and keep the guy on as he said he "WILL KEEP STABILITY WITH THIS HIRE FOR YEARS AND YEARS TO COME."
will we all be calling for his head?
yes correct and i'm not disputing that.
at least we know the guys you mentioned know how to manage (be a HC) in the NFL. i mean manage other coaches, the media, being #1 to answer to pres. and owner etc. etc.
does chudz have that on his resume?
that's my point. i'm not trying to make this into an argument about we made a bad hire....i never said that. i brought it up for discussion to other people's opinions. most owner's of businesses when hiring for a new position from copy boy to CFO want to know that they have done the same job at another company with excellent reviews. in the real world there aren't too many employers willing to give someone that shot.
but if not for a couple of guys like haslam in my lifetime i'd have been stuck in the low end of an industry for decades.
i like giving a guy a shot. the problem is what if he turns out to be just another glorified coordinator and 3 years from now we're still a 5 and 11 team? will haslam stick to his word and keep the guy on as he said he "WILL KEEP STABILITY WITH THIS HIRE FOR YEARS AND YEARS TO COME."
will we all be calling for his head?
That remains to be seen. Plenty of great coordinators have turned out to be shit coaches, I know what you mean.
But very great HC had to start somewhere. I'm not saying Chud will be great, I'm not expecting him to. But I feel he can be good.
If Chud does blow the big one, in three years he'll be gone. Haslam preached consistency but fan pressure and media pressure will see to it that Chud gets the ax. I think the stability will lie more in not blowing up the FO and not completely reassembling the coaching corps.
If Chud stumbles, we'll have a proven HC on the roster who runs the same style of offense and will have been in Cleveland for a couple years in Turner. Then we just promote from within instead of destroying everything. I think that's the stability Haslam was talking about.
I like this direction they've decided to go. Get a ypunger guy who's known for his innovative mind and surround him with experience in his coordinators. It's kind of like what the Steelers did with Cowher. When Cowher was hired, he had Dick LeBeau, Dom Capers, and Ron Erhardt on his staff.
I say lets go all in, lets get Jim Brown to coach RB's just like the Steelers had Dick Hoak.
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