Defense Does Not Win Championships
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if that was the jist of your post that DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS then i agree with you. sure i'm man enough to admit when i am wrong. and I WAS WRONG. my apologies.
the thing is at whatever time it was in the morning that i posted i didn't take the time to even read your post. and without trying to sound lika an ass, i still haven't read it. just be more on point with thread titles. long posts with stats are like funerals....i don't do 'em.
i know that's a double standard because when i go on a 6 paragraph drunken rant, i expect people to read them. but i can't blame them if they don't.
maybe it's your small batman avatar or the uniform thing that puts me off about you.....but that doesn't make you or i a bad person. as long as you're a browns fan, you're alright in my book.
again. my apologies. btw i do have a little wireless networked laptop. but i also have 2 quad core mac g5s running more graphics, music and video software/hardware then you'll ever set your eyes on. -peace.
You're daddy messed up when he forgot to pull out. Right mouth? What a stupid fuck you are, lmao.
You're daddy messed up when he forgot to pull out. Right mouth? What a stupid fuck you are, lmao.
1 QUESTION??????????????????
Who won................... the team that scored MORE points...................or the team that gave up the fewest points???????????????????????
it's like the GREAT question............what came first.............the chicken or the egg????????????????
I would LIKE to be the team that gives up the less points. It is much easier to give up 10 points then it is to score 30 points.
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If the Broncos played better DEFENSE...........they would have won
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if that was the jist of your post that DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS then i agree with you. sure i'm man enough to admit when i am wrong. and I WAS WRONG. my apologies.
the thing is at whatever time it was in the morning that i posted i didn't take the time to even read your post. and without trying to sound lika an ass, i still haven't read it. just be more on point with thread titles. long posts with stats are like funerals....i don't do 'em.
i know that's a double standard because when i go on a 6 paragraph drunken rant, i expect people to read them. but i can't blame them if they don't.
maybe it's your small batman avatar or the uniform thing that puts me off about you.....but that doesn't make you or i a bad person. as long as you're a browns fan, you're alright in my book.
again. my apologies. btw i do have a little wireless networked laptop. but i also have 2 quad core mac g5s running more graphics, music and video software/hardware then you'll ever set your eyes on. -peace.
You're daddy messed up when he forgot to pull out. Right mouth? What a stupid fuck you are, lmao.
You're daddy messed up when he forgot to pull out. Right mouth? What a stupid fuck you are, lmao.
yeah i forgot that all those times i defended you i was misled thinking you were a vet, instead you were a merchant marine. LMAO!!
i'm man enough to admit when i'm wrong. i'm not sure you're a man at all. just an old ass biddy.
see ya wrinkles!
btw. i love your sig quoting scripture. i'll guarantee you that you are the dumb motherfucker. you really think when you are laying is some ditch or even a grave (doubt it) with the worms eating through your 2" brain that saint peter or saint paul or saint billy bob (whoever the fuck your old hillbilly ass believes in), will be around to let you in the gates of your made up heaven, when you are a blasphemous fornicating foul-mouthed prune?
i love all you religious fucks that come on here and talk the biggest shit around spouting out FBomba and "your mother this" and "your mother that" and believe because you go to church for one hour on sunday you can act like a fucking demon the rest of the week and everything will be alright in the eyes of YOUR god. fucking lying fools.
and you can STILL go fuck yourself! HA!!!
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I started a new thread on the fact that Some people think that Offense wins Super Bowls. Some people think that Defense was only important over 10 years ago, so I looked up all the Super Bowl winners since 2000, and stats are stats...First thou there atre 4 remaining teams in the Playoffs and tehre Defense rank is aw followed
San Fran 3rd
Balt 17th
Atl 24th
N.E. 25th
This is a odd year that there is only 1 team with a top 10 defense in the NFL, but they should go to the Super Bowl, and then they have a chance to keep the them since 2000 alive
Defense Rank for each Super Bowl Winner
2011 Giants 27th
2010 Packers 5th
2009 Saints 25th
2008 Steelers 1st
2007 Giants 7th
2006 Colts 21th
2005 Steelers 4th
2004 Pats 9th
2003 Pats 7th
2002 Bucs 1st
2001 Pats 24th
2000 Ravens 1st
So over the past 12 years,8 out of the 12 years a top 10 Defense has won the Super Bowl. 3 Number 1 Defenses won a Super Bowl as well, So even thou the NFL is much more pass happy league Defense still wins Championships. Now there are things that happen like last year when the G-Men got really really hot and there Defense played lights out during the playoffs, or 2009 when Drew Breez went Bonkers. For the most part it is and always be Defense that shows up more than Offense....
you forgot a few simple facts,,,,,,,the average winning score of the Super Bowl is 31 points so where the heck was that vaunted defense that got thrashed? Further if defense wins where has it been the last many super bowls? Offense wins chhampionships always has and you forgot to mention the offense of winning teams in the bowl, Defense wins championships is a worn useless defunct statement since 1949
btw, to follow your not so bright assessment the last time a shutout came in the NFL championship was by an offensive powerhouse known for rubber band defense in 1964
you forgot a few simple facts,,,,,,,the average winning score of the Super Bowl is 31 points so where the heck was that vaunted defense that got thrashed? Further if defense wins where has it been the last many super bowls? Offense wins chhampionships always has and you forgot to mention the offense of winning teams in the bowl, Defense wins championships is a worn useless defunct statement since 1949
btw, to follow your not so bright assessment the last time a shutout came in the NFL championship was by an offensive powerhouse known for rubber band defense in 1964
Ah this argument again. How many of those 31 points came off of turnovers or from a defense that forced the other team to punt deep in their own territory (great field position)? The vast majority of Super Bowl's include at least one pick six. It only takes a little bit of thought. I know you can do it..
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Did you read my post??? Because the point of the thread is that Defenses DO WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS, and I was proving it by the stats I was providing...SO get up to speed on what....Read my post before calling me a asshole..
It all about Defenses and great QB play. Back in my day by the way I remember everything you are talking about, and yes I would love to talk uniforms, because unl.ike some of you change is good...I am pretty sure you do not wear the samething you wore in the 70s and 80s.....
So when you reply to this I want to see This " TampaDawgs I a moron and did not read everything, I am truly Sorry for being a Dick. I can not help myself!!!" thanks miktoxic
I will be waiting because a real man can admit he was a moron when he was a moron...Are you a real Man, or you going to hide behind your little laptop
if that was the jist of your post that DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS then i agree with you. sure i'm man enough to admit when i am wrong. and I WAS WRONG. my apologies.
the thing is at whatever time it was in the morning that i posted i didn't take the time to even read your post. and without trying to sound lika an ass, i still haven't read it. just be more on point with thread titles. long posts with stats are like funerals....i don't do 'em.
i know that's a double standard because when i go on a 6 paragraph drunken rant, i expect people to read them. but i can't blame them if they don't.
maybe it's your small batman avatar or the uniform thing that puts me off about you.....but that doesn't make you or i a bad person. as long as you're a browns fan, you're alright in my book.
again. my apologies. btw i do have a little wireless networked laptop. but i also have 2 quad core mac g5s running more graphics, music and video software/hardware then you'll ever set your eyes on. -peace.
if that was the jist of your post that DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS then i agree with you. sure i'm man enough to admit when i am wrong. and I WAS WRONG. my apologies.
the thing is at whatever time it was in the morning that i posted i didn't take the time to even read your post. and without trying to sound lika an ass, i still haven't read it. just be more on point with thread titles. long posts with stats are like funerals....i don't do 'em.
i know that's a double standard because when i go on a 6 paragraph drunken rant, i expect people to read them. but i can't blame them if they don't.
maybe it's your small batman avatar or the uniform thing that puts me off about you.....but that doesn't make you or i a bad person. as long as you're a browns fan, you're alright in my book.
again. my apologies. btw i do have a little wireless networked laptop. but i also have 2 quad core mac g5s running more graphics, music and video software/hardware then you'll ever set your eyes on. -peace.
LOL the small batman Avatar is because I am not smart enough on a Computer to put a pic there, let alone I have tried a 1000 times to put pics or videos on here and still cannot figure it out. Plus I have not put anything about our Uniforms on here in a while, but I am sure I will at some point over the next 6 months or so......I just really think we need a upgrade, I understand the tradition thing, but those are called throwback jerseys....I do agree with everyone about the helmet keept the helmet is fine, but upgrades are needed.....This would be a perfect time, new owner, new coach, new prez, new name staduim name, new offense, youngest team in the NFL...This would be the ideal time....
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you forgot a few simple facts,,,,,,,the average winning score of the Super Bowl is 31 points so where the heck was that vaunted defense that got thrashed? Further if defense wins where has it been the last many super bowls? Offense wins chhampionships always has and you forgot to mention the offense of winning teams in the bowl, Defense wins championships is a worn useless defunct statement since 1949
btw, to follow your not so bright assessment the last time a shutout came in the NFL championship was by an offensive powerhouse known for rubber band defense in 1964
Ah this argument again. How many of those 31 points came off of turnovers or from a defense that forced the other team to punt deep in their own territory (great field position)? The vast majority of Super Bowl's include at least one pick six. It only takes a little bit of thought. I know you can do it..
Ah this argument again. How many of those 31 points came off of turnovers or from a defense that forced the other team to punt deep in their own territory (great field position)? The vast majority of Super Bowl's include at least one pick six. It only takes a little bit of thought. I know you can do it..
lame excuse giving the defense credit for the winner averaging 31 points a game over 46 years. If defense wins championships guess that applies only the winner of the bowl not the loser. If defense gets a team to the championship, they must lay down and lose big giving up a average of 31 by their vaunted defense that got them there
Like I said your excuse is lame ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,31 points says it all Offense wins Championships
The faster Cleveland gets away from the lame DAWG Pound nonsense and the lamer starts in OL trenches nonsense and the sooner they focus on playmakers who touch the ball, which I believe Haslem will do, the sooner they will end a twenty three year losing funk which coincides with the invention of the Dawg Pound
Offense Wins.......Franchise QB's are the key.............Defense keeps you in the game.........Go Buckeyes -
Ah this argument again. How many of those 31 points came off of turnovers or from a defense that forced the other team to punt deep in their own territory (great field position)? The vast majority of Super Bowl's include at least one pick six. It only takes a little bit of thought. I know you can do it..
lame excuse giving the defense credit for the winner averaging 31 points a game over 46 years. If defense wins championships guess that applies only the winner of the bowl not the loser. If defense gets a team to the championship, they must lay down and lose big giving up a average of 31 by their vaunted defense that got them there
Like I said your excuse is lame ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,31 points says it all Offense wins Championships
The faster Cleveland gets away from the lame DAWG Pound nonsense and the lamer starts in OL trenches nonsense and the sooner they focus on playmakers who touch the ball, which I believe Haslem will do, the sooner they will end a twenty three year losing funk which coincides with the invention of the Dawg Pound
lame excuse giving the defense credit for the winner averaging 31 points a game over 46 years. If defense wins championships guess that applies only the winner of the bowl not the loser. If defense gets a team to the championship, they must lay down and lose big giving up a average of 31 by their vaunted defense that got them there
Like I said your excuse is lame ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,31 points says it all Offense wins Championships
The faster Cleveland gets away from the lame DAWG Pound nonsense and the lamer starts in OL trenches nonsense and the sooner they focus on playmakers who touch the ball, which I believe Haslem will do, the sooner they will end a twenty three year losing funk which coincides with the invention of the Dawg Pound
Well, I DO think the whole Dawg Pound thing needs to be put to rest. All it really is now is a marketing ploy put forth by guys in the PR department who are too lazy to come up with something original.
....though I don't think the use of it has anything to do with winning or losing....unless it can be claimed that the same lame dawg pound crap is simply indicative of bad management at all levels...on and off field.
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The Dog Pound in Municipal Stadium was the "real" dog pound. The one in the soon to be First Energy Stadium doesn't even come close.
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The Dog Pound in Municipal Stadium was the "real" dog pound. The one in the soon to be First Energy Stadium doesn't even come close.
The Dog Pound in Municipal Stadium was the "real" dog pound. The one in the soon to be First Energy Stadium doesn't even come close.
Yea, I mean, its named after an electric company. What are you gonna call it?
"The Big Bug Zapper"?
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Ah this argument again. How many of those 31 points came off of turnovers or from a defense that forced the other team to punt deep in their own territory (great field position)? The vast majority of Super Bowl's include at least one pick six. It only takes a little bit of thought. I know you can do it..
lame excuse giving the defense credit for the winner averaging 31 points a game over 46 years. If defense wins championships guess that applies only the winner of the bowl not the loser. If defense gets a team to the championship, they must lay down and lose big giving up a average of 31 by their vaunted defense that got them there
Like I said your excuse is lame ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,31 points says it all Offense wins Championships
The faster Cleveland gets away from the lame DAWG Pound nonsense and the lamer starts in OL trenches nonsense and the sooner they focus on playmakers who touch the ball, which I believe Haslem will do, the sooner they will end a twenty three year losing funk which coincides with the invention of the Dawg Pound
lame excuse giving the defense credit for the winner averaging 31 points a game over 46 years. If defense wins championships guess that applies only the winner of the bowl not the loser. If defense gets a team to the championship, they must lay down and lose big giving up a average of 31 by their vaunted defense that got them there
Like I said your excuse is lame ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,31 points says it all Offense wins Championships
The faster Cleveland gets away from the lame DAWG Pound nonsense and the lamer starts in OL trenches nonsense and the sooner they focus on playmakers who touch the ball, which I believe Haslem will do, the sooner they will end a twenty three year losing funk which coincides with the invention of the Dawg Pound
Well I think the better question is not how many points the winning team averaged but how many points the losing team averaged? If its say 28 pts or something then you might have a valid point. I suspect its not. And if offense wins championships why wouldn't you want a good OL? That seems contradictory to ignore half the offense players.
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lame excuse giving the defense credit for the winner averaging 31 points a game over 46 years. If defense wins championships guess that applies only the winner of the bowl not the loser. If defense gets a team to the championship, they must lay down and lose big giving up a average of 31 by their vaunted defense that got them there
Like I said your excuse is lame ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,31 points says it all Offense wins Championships
The faster Cleveland gets away from the lame DAWG Pound nonsense and the lamer starts in OL trenches nonsense and the sooner they focus on playmakers who touch the ball, which I believe Haslem will do, the sooner they will end a twenty three year losing funk which coincides with the invention of the Dawg Pound
Well I think the better question is not how many points the winning team averaged but how many points the losing team averaged? If its say 28 pts or something then you might have a valid point. I suspect its not. And if offense wins championships why wouldn't you want a good OL? That seems contradictory to ignore half the offense players.
Well I think the better question is not how many points the winning team averaged but how many points the losing team averaged? If its say 28 pts or something then you might have a valid point. I suspect its not. And if offense wins championships why wouldn't you want a good OL? That seems contradictory to ignore half the offense players.
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Ah this argument again. How many of those 31 points came off of turnovers or from a defense that forced the other team to punt deep in their own territory (great field position)? The vast majority of Super Bowl's include at least one pick six. It only takes a little bit of thought. I know you can do it..
lame excuse giving the defense credit for the winner averaging 31 points a game over 46 years. If defense wins championships guess that applies only the winner of the bowl not the loser. If defense gets a team to the championship, they must lay down and lose big giving up a average of 31 by their vaunted defense that got them there
Like I said your excuse is lame ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,31 points says it all Offense wins Championships
The faster Cleveland gets away from the lame DAWG Pound nonsense and the lamer starts in OL trenches nonsense and the sooner they focus on playmakers who touch the ball, which I believe Haslem will do, the sooner they will end a twenty three year losing funk which coincides with the invention of the Dawg Pound
The faster Cleveland gets away from the lame DAWG Pound nonsense and the lamer starts in OL trenches nonsense and the sooner they focus on playmakers who touch the ball, which I believe Haslem will do, the sooner they will end a twenty three year losing funk which coincides with the invention of the Dawg Pound
why mess with the dog pound? every team has some sort of identity take that away and we have?
would you rather have a cheese head?
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I think its funny you have people on here who get all fired up over changing our Uniforms because its tradition...Blah, Blah, Blah..Then the same people want to get rid of the Dawgpound that has been around almost 30 years...uhh I think thats called tradition too!!?? I guess I can play that came too
I want gas prices from the 80s, and big fake titties from 2012....
Only Browns fans....
I guess Oakland should get rid of the black hole, or the Steelers and there yellow towels..........
Please wake up it 2013, not 1983 change is great, hell if was 1983 you could not be a moron on a Computer, or have your cell phone, or even watch the Browns.....
I really could care less if we have a dawgpound or not, but stick with one side or the other PLZ
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Ah this argument again. How many of those 31 points came off of turnovers or from a defense that forced the other team to punt deep in their own territory (great field position)? The vast majority of Super Bowl's include at least one pick six. It only takes a little bit of thought. I know you can do it..
lame excuse giving the defense credit for the winner averaging 31 points a game over 46 years. If defense wins championships guess that applies only the winner of the bowl not the loser. If defense gets a team to the championship, they must lay down and lose big giving up a average of 31 by their vaunted defense that got them there
Like I said your excuse is lame ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,31 points says it all Offense wins Championships
The faster Cleveland gets away from the lame DAWG Pound nonsense and the lamer starts in OL trenches nonsense and the sooner they focus on playmakers who touch the ball, which I believe Haslem will do, the sooner they will end a twenty three year losing funk which coincides with the invention of the Dawg Pound
If defense wins championships guess that applies only the winner of the bowl not the loser. If defense gets a team to the championship, they must lay down and lose big giving up a average of 31 by their vaunted defense that got them there
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You might want to check the facts instead of making them up as you go.
The average winning Super Bowl score is 29.95 points while the average losing score is 15.61. However, that's only part of the story. You have to look at how the winning and losing teams scored those points. Kick returns and pick sixes certainly do not go towards the offense. Your biggest flaw in this argument is how you attribute all scoring plays to the offense 100% without looking at the actual facts.
Fun fact of the day: Teams with a pick six are 11-0 in the Super Bowl(source: http://www.journaltimes.com/html_5c506c39-ba66-521d-a45b-c36b80dfd402.html).
Have a nice day.
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If defense wins championships guess that applies only the winner of the bowl not the loser. If defense gets a team to the championship, they must lay down and lose big giving up a average of 31 by their vaunted defense that got them there
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You might want to check the facts instead of making them up as you go.
The average winning Super Bowl score is 29.95 points while the average losing score is 15.61. However, that's only part of the story. You have to look at how the winning and losing teams scored those points. Kick returns and pick sixes certainly do not go towards the offense. Your biggest flaw in this argument is how you attribute all scoring plays to the offense 100% without looking at the actual facts.
Fun fact of the day: Teams with a pick six are 11-0 in the Super Bowl(source: http://www.journaltimes.com/html_5c506c39-ba66-521d-a45b-c36b80dfd402.html).
Have a nice day.
You might want to check the facts instead of making them up as you go.
The average winning Super Bowl score is 29.95 points while the average losing score is 15.61. However, that's only part of the story. You have to look at how the winning and losing teams scored those points. Kick returns and pick sixes certainly do not go towards the offense. Your biggest flaw in this argument is how you attribute all scoring plays to the offense 100% without looking at the actual facts.
Fun fact of the day: Teams with a pick six are 11-0 in the Super Bowl(source: http://www.journaltimes.com/html_5c506c39-ba66-521d-a45b-c36b80dfd402.html).
Have a nice day.
You're wasting your time. Facts and data aren't rich's strong suit. She's more of a "huff and puff and blow farts out of my pussy" kind of gal.
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The faster Cleveland gets away from the lame DAWG Pound nonsense and the lamer starts in OL trenches nonsense and the sooner they focus on playmakers who touch the ball, which I believe Haslem will do, the sooner they will end a twenty three year losing funk which coincides with the invention of the Dawg Pound
why mess with the dog pound? every team has some sort of identity take that away and we have?
would you rather have a cheese head?
why mess with the dog pound? every team has some sort of identity take that away and we have?
would you rather have a cheese head?
We had an identity it was the Brownies the Elf and we won always...........and we threw him into the lake Erie and drowned him for the dumbass dog pound and 23 losing years after 34 winning years
Go think about the identity and think about which one works better
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If defense wins championships guess that applies only the winner of the bowl not the loser. If defense gets a team to the championship, they must lay down and lose big giving up a average of 31 by their vaunted defense that got them there
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You might want to check the facts instead of making them up as you go.
The average winning Super Bowl score is 29.95 points while the average losing score is 15.61. However, that's only part of the story. You have to look at how the winning and losing teams scored those points. Kick returns and pick sixes certainly do not go towards the offense. Your biggest flaw in this argument is how you attribute all scoring plays to the offense 100% without looking at the actual facts.
Fun fact of the day: Teams with a pick six are 11-0 in the Super Bowl(source: http://www.journaltimes.com/html_5c506c39-ba66-521d-a45b-c36b80dfd402.html).
Have a nice day.
You might want to check the facts instead of making them up as you go.
The average winning Super Bowl score is 29.95 points while the average losing score is 15.61. However, that's only part of the story. You have to look at how the winning and losing teams scored those points. Kick returns and pick sixes certainly do not go towards the offense. Your biggest flaw in this argument is how you attribute all scoring plays to the offense 100% without looking at the actual facts.
Fun fact of the day: Teams with a pick six are 11-0 in the Super Bowl(source: http://www.journalti...6b80dfd402.html).
Have a nice day.
I am applying winning to the formula. If defense wins championships why do they not show in the Super Bowl???????????? DUH ANSWER AS TO WHY THEY DO NOT SHOW UP! Meanwhile the winning team has averaged 31 points keep make more lame excuses why defense wins championships. NO excuses tell us why they give up 31.....stick turnovers where the sun don't shine, if defense wins they overcome...........31 points says defense wins squat
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You might want to check the facts instead of making them up as you go.
The average winning Super Bowl score is 29.95 points while the average losing score is 15.61. However, that's only part of the story. You have to look at how the winning and losing teams scored those points. Kick returns and pick sixes certainly do not go towards the offense. Your biggest flaw in this argument is how you attribute all scoring plays to the offense 100% without looking at the actual facts.
Fun fact of the day: Teams with a pick six are 11-0 in the Super Bowl(source: http://www.journaltimes.com/html_5c506c39-ba66-521d-a45b-c36b80dfd402.html).
Have a nice day.
You're wasting your time. Facts and data aren't rich's strong suit. She's more of a "huff and puff and blow farts out of my pussy" kind of gal.
You're wasting your time. Facts and data aren't rich's strong suit. She's more of a "huff and puff and blow farts out of my pussy" kind of gal.
I know but it's funny. It's like arguing with a 2 year old. I'm still curious to see where this mythical 31 points is coming from too. I guess we'll never know...
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Well, you better tell Michael Lombardi that...he has no clue when it comes to drafting what a team needs. He said best QB in 2010 was Jimmy Clausen...he had us picking Derick Morgan and one of his favorite player is Tim Tebow. He has no clue...oh, and he said we should have gotten justin blackmon last year...so, no josh gordon but justin blackmon... of course many of you will agree with this quote
"McCoy has never looked like the long-term answer at quarterback from my vantage point of studying tape at NFL Films. He lacks power in his arm, willingness to make throws downs the field and ability to drive the ball into a tight pocket. He has the look of a backup quarterback who will play well in the right system for short stints, but have a hard time being the 'man.'"
so in recap Lombardi can see mediocrity but can't find talent
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