Who The Browns Must Reach For In Fa

Richiswhere

Here is a nice site to see what free agents are out there by team and/or position

http://www.spotrac.com/free-agents/nfl/

DanInNYC

@the-gipper said:

Here is the list of Browns FAs....is there anyone here we cannot afford to lose?

(and why won't this thing reproduce these lists properly?

I would like to keep Ogbonnaya, Alex Smith or Ben Watson, Cribbs, Phil Dawson, Christian Yount, Sheldon Brown, and Ray Ventrone.

As for FAs Anthony Spencer (OLB) from the Cowboys is on my radar. The Cowboys might switch from 4-3 to 3-4 and he might not be collateral damage from that. I would be thrilled if the team picked up a FS and/or WR in free agency. Watching the Ravens receiver corps, which is crazy good, has convinced me that we need another threat at WR- even though Little and Gordon are going to be very good.

CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFS

Is it possible for Dawson to just resign solely on the fact he's been in Cleveland forever? And maybe he thinks were about to turn the corner as well.

@daninnyc said:

I would like to keep Ogbonnaya, Alex Smith or Ben Watson, Cribbs, Phil Dawson, Christian Yount, Sheldon Brown, and Ray Ventrone.

Chris O is nice but Brandon Jackson looked pretty lethal against the steelers on a play where he made the linebackers look dumb. Haven't really seen much oh him.

hoorta

@represent said:

Top FA you shoot for

WR. Dwayne Bowe Maybe

WR. Wes Welker Will re-sign with the Pats

WR. Greg Jennings

OLB/DL. Shawne Merrimen Washed up, no thanks

DL. Osi Umenyiora High side of 30 we're rebuilding

LB. Keith Brooking

LB. Rey Maualuga Over-rated, and I live in Bungle Land

CB. Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie

Guys i wouldn't mind signing.

DL. Richard Seymour About ready to retire, no thanks

LB. Dwight Freeny High side of 30 we're rebuilding

WR. Ted Ginn Jr Why do guys keep bringing him up? We have Cribbs far more versatile, and better IMO

"Cough" Mike Wallace

Franchise Phil Dawson

Flyin J

@browns149 said:

I think that tag price would go into affect after the 2013 season. We looked it up in the NFLPA CBA and it's kind of hard to understand the language, because it is written by lawyers, for lawyers to read. But it is in article 10 if you would like to read it for yourself.

http://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/collective-bargaining-agreement-2011-2020.pdf

I dont read lawyer lol. Ill trust Pluto

http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/blog/index.ssf/2012/12/keep_phil_dawson_or_kick_yours.html

BendMeOver

@represent said:

"Cough" Mike Wallace

Mike Wallace will undoubtedly come cheaper this year. Last year he was seeking Fitzgerald money ($11M) and the Steelers offered $8.5M to which he refused. Wallace held out most of camp and really wasn't much of an impact player for the Steelers last year (as he didn't know the playbook). Now with the Steelers not really expecting to resign him he will go to another team and Arizona is really the only team where he will "know" the offense.

Mike Wallace will probably garner a $5M to $6M contract and he'll probably only want to sign for 1-2 years (believing he can get Fitzgerald money later). However, that would be a stupid assumption, as his biggest asset is speed and he'll start losing that elite speed soon. Is he worth it? I'd still like to see him stay on as a Steeler and I think he will play better. All-in-all, he only knows about 6-9 go routes and looking at him without speed there's a ton of better recievers you can sign. There's no way he re-signs with Pittsburgh for $5-$6M with Brown making $8.5M. I don't see the Steelers offering him $8.5M again after last season.

I don't think he'll make a big impact in 2013 on a new team...if you get him, he'll probably help you out in 2014.

The Gipper

Endymion said:

Mike Wallace will undoubtedly come cheaper this year. Last year he was seeking Fitzgerald money ($11M) and the Steelers offered $8.5M to which he refused. Wallace held out most of camp and really wasn't much of an impact player for the Steelers last year (as he didn't know the playbook). Now with the Steelers not really expecting to resign him he will go to another team and Arizona is really the only team where he will "know" the offense.

Mike Wallace will probably garner a $5M to $6M contract and he'll probably only want to sign for 1-2 years (believing he can get Fitzgerald money later). Is he worth it? I'd still like to see him stay on as a Steeler and I think he will play better. There's no way he resigns with Pittsburgh for $5-$6M with Brown making $8.5M. I don't see the Steelers offering him $8.5M again after last season.

I don't think he'll make a big impact in 2013 on a new team...if you get him, he'll probably help you out in 2014.

So, you think the Bruce Arians offense made him and that he is likely to go play with Bruce in the desert?

Erie Dawg

Hoorta im not so sure on welker. I think he was kind of pissed about the franchise tag last offseason. I dont think N.E. even gave him a sniff of any contract negotiations. He had the drop in the superbowl and a couple on sunday against the ravens.

great slot receiver plays with alot of heart but the drops in the clutch may hurt him.

Unsympathetic

Fujita is horrible - he should not be in the league next year.

Dwayne Bowe is also horrible - he gets the majority of his yards in garbage time, he is anti-clutch.

Spencer/johnson/bennett are good.

OLB who are worth looking at are philip wheeler and paul kruger.

I hope Banner knows to avoid DRC.

Tim Couch Pulls Out

@poeticg said:

Resign Cribbs, Dawson, Hodges, Miava, Marcus Benard(Wow, I almost forgot about him, he's going to be a real beast opposite Sheard next year! Scratch the DE off the Needs list now!)

Are you being sarcastic

Browns149

@the-gipper said:

So, you think the Bruce Arians offense made him and that he is likely to go play with Bruce in the desert?

Would you rather play in Cleveland, or Arizona with your favorite Offensive coach? Granted our QB situation is about the same as Arizona, but we have bad weather and cold.

Comeonman

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Are you being sarcastic

Lets hope so

The Gipper

@browns149 said:

Would you rather play in Cleveland, or Arizona with your favorite Offensive coach? Granted our QB situation is about the same as Arizona, but we have bad weather and cold.

I don't think the weather really has much to do with it....but the offense very well may. And his relationship with Arians may be such that he would really want to go play for him. Then, of course, he is still a "professional" athlete, which means he may go play wherever he gets the most money.

BendMeOver

@the-gipper said:

So, you think the Bruce Arians offense made him and that he is likely to go play with Bruce in the desert?

No, I think Bruce Arians is the only coach that knows how to utilize him properly to be a playmaker in 2013. There is the QB thing in Arizona, but it's hard to tell how they will address that position until free-agency or more likely the draft is done. Further, I don't see Wallace going to Arizona, unless he takes less than $5M/yr. Arizona won't dish out much for Wallace, because they have a super-highly paid #1 reciever in Fitzgerald. Plus Fitzgerald doesn't drop as many passes through at him (or hadn't the last time I paid attention to the Cardinals).

The Gipper

Endymion said:

No, I think Bruce Arians is the only coach that knows how to utilize him properly to be a playmaker in 2013. There is the QB thing in Arizona, but it's hard to tell how they will address that position until free-agency or more likely the draft is done. Further, I don't see Wallace going to Arizona, unless he takes less than $5M/yr. Arizona won't dish out much for Wallace, because they have a super-highly paid #1 reciever in Fitzgerald. Plus Fitzgerald doesn't drop as many passes through at him (or hadn't the last time I paid attention to the Cardinals).

Hmm, are you saying that Wallace would not want to play second fiddle to Fitzgerald? That he will insist on being a "#1" receiver, and also to be paid like it wherever he goes?

If that is the case, then absolutely, the dude will be limiting his options on where to go.

I don't even know if he joined the Browns that he would be considered the "#1 receiver" here.

Horn of Lake Erie

@unsympathetic said:

Dwayne Bowe is also horrible - he gets the majority of his yards in garbage time, he is anti-clutch.

Debatable. This guy has played on the perennial shit show team for QBs.

thenew23

@unsympathetic said:

Fujita is horrible - he should not be in the league next year.

Dwayne Bowe is also horrible - he gets the majority of his yards in garbage time, he is anti-clutch.

Spencer/johnson/bennett are good.

OLB who are worth looking at are philip wheeler and paul kruger.

I hope Banner knows to avoid DRC.

Kruger would be fantastic, but I don't see it happening; however, Ray Horton is a player's coach and it seems that he may be able to lure in guys b/c of his attitude. I know Haden and Ward have already commented about being excited to have him come in and coach the D.

dab7291993

DRC is coming off of his rookie contract and I highly doubt he demands more than $5M-$7M with his recent play. We can afford him. Why are people against signing good players? I know people want to be realistic, but DRC isn't out of the question.

BendMeOver

@the-gipper said:

Hmm, are you saying that Wallace would not want to play second fiddle to Fitzgerald? That he will insist on being a "#1" receiver, and also to be paid like it wherever he goes?

Wallace doesn't care about being second fiddle to Fitzgerald, he wants to be paid like Fitzgerald. He valued himself at $10-$12M/yr, and the Steelers offered $8.5M. When Wallace refused $8.5M/yr they gave it to Antonio Brown. The Steelers don't plan to lock him up with a franchise tag (last I heard) and I don't think they have $8.5M/yr to offer him in 2013 (even if they wanted to). I don't see Arizona offering Wallace big bucks and probably not even market bucks for Wallace cause they have so much invested in Fitzgerald already.

The fact of the matter is, Wallace held out of camp and he continued to drop key (catchable) balls in 2012. While there's typically more than one reason the Steelers lost games in 2012, there were a number of big plays that involved Wallace in those losses. Had Wallace played like the elite reciever he fancies himself, the Steelers would've won a few more games in 2012. They only needed to win one more game to make the play-offs in 2012. I don't think the 2012 Steelers (as a whole) had the desire/fire/drive in them to actually make it to the Super Bowl had they made the play-offs though. Then again, I really didn't see the Ravens going to the Super Bowl this year either (I felt it would either be the Broncos or Patriots...moreso the Patriots).

As I said earlier, based on his play in the latter half of 2011 and 2012, I just don't see any team offering Wallace more than $5-6M/yr right now. That's well below his offer last year. Wallace will probably sign late in the season, probably not until training camps begin because he will be offered less in 2013 due to his substandard play in 2012. As a result, Wallace will probably be seeking a 1-2 year contract to try to maximize his payday again in 2014/2015. His whole game is based on speed though, and sooner or later he won't have that quickness. By taking a shorter contract, he's gambling really heavily as he doesn't have great hands, or great route running ability.

The Gipper

What you are saying is that Wallace ain't all that and a bag of chips and that his overinflated balloon of an ego is about ready to be popped? That not only will he not get the 10-12 mill. he thinks he should get, but will not even get any offers that approach the 8.5 that he could have gotten had he signed the offer from the Steelers?