Spot Checks
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This idea doesn't even pass a simple cost/benefit analysis, so why don't we just stop talking about it?
This idea doesn't even pass a simple cost/benefit analysis, so why don't we just stop talking about it?
yes let's talk about reforming mental health again who's going to pay for that exactly? please remind me, and don't say Republicans because we know that is not true.
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I am sorry, there is.
Let's have drug inspection spot checks. Drugs kill people.
Checks can't be made as you suggest. A process has to be followed. First a complaint has to be made with the city, then notifying the property owner they need to make changes to noticeable problems. The fire marshall can't just drive down the street and decide to inspect a private residence with no obvious problems.
You guys are out of your fucking minds. You don't own guns, cool. You'd actually be good with a few cops showing up at you door and let them start rooting around in your drawers?
Unbelievable....and I mean that literally, you wouldn't allow that.
steve is the one mentioning random checks I have already mentioned that no inspector shows up unscheduled so I will just give you a pass for not having read that far into the argument
steve is the one mentioning random checks I have already mentioned that no inspector shows up unscheduled so I will just give you a pass for not having read that far into the argument
I am still at a loss here....are we talking about random inspections or just registered gun owners?? Forgive me joining the debate late. I saw this thread and read it.
You can't single out gun owners as a means of intimidation, which is exactly the method suggested.
It would do no good to send notice to unregistered gun owners. It wouldn't be very hard to hide them somewhere before next Tuesdays meeting.
I mentioned this earlier but nobody had comment, so I'll say it again: The problem is the guns. It's the people. We have to fix that.
Over the generations we have become brainwashed to some extent about violence, or dulled to it's reality.
Guns have always been available, but gun violence didn't really start to take off in a common way until maybe the late 50's, early 60's.
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Republicans come out against any sort of gun control not just banning of guns but anything related to guns and point the finger instead at mental health but they are in no way willing to pay for mental health reform so what is thier solution? Nothing? Because that seems like a terrible solution to me
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you guys obviously have paranoid fantasies about the police breaking into your house in search in your underwear drawer when in fact inspectors only look for what is within the letter of the law.
you guys obviously have paranoid fantasies about the police breaking into your house in search in your underwear drawer when in fact inspectors only look for what is within the letter of the law.
The only fantasy is you thinking guns are the problem and eliminating them is going to keep you safer.
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you guys obviously have paranoid fantasies about the police breaking into your house in search in your underwear drawer when in fact inspectors only look for what is within the letter of the law.
The only fantasy is you thinking guns are the problem and eliminating them is going to keep you safer.
The only fantasy is you thinking guns are the problem and eliminating them is going to keep you safer.
Again (and again) nobody is talking about eliminating them. This is but one of many small measures that could be taken to lessen gun deaths.
Just because half of gun violence concerns illegal weapons doesn't mean we should forget about the other half.
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The only fantasy is you thinking guns are the problem and eliminating them is going to keep you safer.
Again (and again) nobody is talking about eliminating them. This is but one of many small measures that could be taken to lessen gun deaths.
Just because half of gun violence concerns illegal weapons doesn't mean we should forget about the other half.
Again (and again) nobody is talking about eliminating them. This is but one of many small measures that could be taken to lessen gun deaths.
Just because half of gun violence concerns illegal weapons doesn't mean we should forget about the other half.
Actually, it's more like 60-80 percent of all gun crimes.
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Gun inspectors? LOL
For cryin out loud.
1. Fire inspectors don't inspect HOMES, they inspect businesses. Home inspectors are hired to inspect for purchasing a used home, or a new home.
As it is, a home being built, is on schedule, inspected to comply with buidling regs. That is before the home is owned by the future owner.
2. Stopping a car for "weaving" ??? There is no Constitutional guarantee of car ownership, or driving privacy.
3. The safety and security of HOMES is guaranteed to be safe from random gov intrusion. I"m sure that nutjob Bloopberg of NY would have
:random inspections" of homes for sugar, guns, salt, butter.....it's all bs.
4. Isn't that profiling, to go after gun owners for special harrassment?
5. Trust me, and I"m not the only one who knows this.... a "scheduled random check" is dumb- you can rely on people all of a sudden locking up their gun(s)
and complying during the check. Like Inspector General inspections. Scheduled, and all of a sudden in the military, the enlisted mess hall looks beautiful,
....really nice table cloths, place settings, flowers, fancy napkins, you betcha. Day After Inspection? Gone like a freight train. LOL. Back to normal.
Won't work, is a silly idea.
6. I don't have time for six. Gotta run....
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Cal and the Slippery Slope are bros
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Gun inspectors? LOL
For cryin out loud.
1. Fire inspectors don't inspect HOMES, they inspect businesses. Home inspectors are hired to inspect for purchasing a used home, or a new home.
As it is, a home being built, is on schedule, inspected to comply with buidling regs. That is before the home is owned by the future owner.
2. Stopping a car for "weaving" ??? There is no Constitutional guarantee of car ownership, or driving privacy.
3. The safety and security of HOMES is guaranteed to be safe from random gov intrusion. I"m sure that nutjob Bloopberg of NY would have
:random inspections" of homes for sugar, guns, salt, butter.....it's all bs.
4. Isn't that profiling, to go after gun owners for special harrassment?
5. Trust me, and I"m not the only one who knows this.... a "scheduled random check" is dumb- you can rely on people all of a sudden locking up their gun(s)
and complying during the check. Like Inspector General inspections. Scheduled, and all of a sudden in the military, the enlisted mess hall looks beautiful,
....really nice table cloths, place settings, flowers, fancy napkins, you betcha. Day After Inspection? Gone like a freight train. LOL. Back to normal.
Won't work, is a silly idea.
6. I don't have time for six. Gotta run....
Gun inspectors? LOL
For cryin out loud.
1. Fire inspectors don't inspect HOMES, they inspect businesses. Home inspectors are hired to inspect for purchasing a used home, or a new home.
As it is, a home being built, is on schedule, inspected to comply with buidling regs. That is before the home is owned by the future owner.
2. Stopping a car for "weaving" ??? There is no Constitutional guarantee of car ownership, or driving privacy.
3. The safety and security of HOMES is guaranteed to be safe from random gov intrusion. I"m sure that nutjob Bloopberg of NY would have
:random inspections" of homes for sugar, guns, salt, butter.....it's all bs.
4. Isn't that profiling, to go after gun owners for special harrassment?
5. Trust me, and I"m not the only one who knows this.... a "scheduled random check" is dumb- you can rely on people all of a sudden locking up their gun(s)
and complying during the check. Like Inspector General inspections. Scheduled, and all of a sudden in the military, the enlisted mess hall looks beautiful,
....really nice table cloths, place settings, flowers, fancy napkins, you betcha. Day After Inspection? Gone like a freight train. LOL. Back to normal.
Won't work, is a silly idea.
6. I don't have time for six. Gotta run....
Everything that concerns gun control is a stupid idea to you, but no one has answered my simple question: who is going to pay for mental health reform? Who?
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
It's such an overly broad, unworkable, idea that its no surprise that scum like Wayne lapierre have seized on it. It can never be implemented and has no hope of working. That is why the nra and other human excrement keep pushing it. Because seizing on mental health is the same as shrugging your shoulders and saying "gee whiz, I guess we can't do nothin, but its all ok longs I gots sum guns!"
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Gun inspectors? LOL
For cryin out loud.
1. Fire inspectors don't inspect HOMES, they inspect businesses. Home inspectors are hired to inspect for purchasing a used home, or a new home.
As it is, a home being built, is on schedule, inspected to comply with buidling regs. That is before the home is owned by the future owner.
2. Stopping a car for "weaving" ??? There is no Constitutional guarantee of car ownership, or driving privacy.
3. The safety and security of HOMES is guaranteed to be safe from random gov intrusion. I"m sure that nutjob Bloopberg of NY would have
:random inspections" of homes for sugar, guns, salt, butter.....it's all bs.
4. Isn't that profiling, to go after gun owners for special harrassment?
5. Trust me, and I"m not the only one who knows this.... a "scheduled random check" is dumb- you can rely on people all of a sudden locking up their gun(s)
and complying during the check. Like Inspector General inspections. Scheduled, and all of a sudden in the military, the enlisted mess hall looks beautiful,
....really nice table cloths, place settings, flowers, fancy napkins, you betcha. Day After Inspection? Gone like a freight train. LOL. Back to normal.
Won't work, is a silly idea.
6. I don't have time for six. Gotta run....
Everything that concerns gun control is a stupid idea to you, but no one has answered my simple question: who is going to pay for mental health reform? Who?
Everything that concerns gun control is a stupid idea to you, but no one has answered my simple question: who is going to pay for mental health reform? Who?
The same people that would pay for this. I don't understand how the government divvies up the money, and they seem to be able to create it out of thin air. Balancing the budget doesn't concern me at all when discussing these (or any) solutions. Therefore, I'd argue that the costs for overhauls of each proposal would be similar. The benefits of them couldn't be further from each other.
What are the benefits of a spot check? A bunch of people who are greatly inconvenienced and giving up a constitutionally guaranteed liberty (see the fourth amendment). The only people who will have to go through this hassle are those who legally purchased guns (even though we know that the vast majority of gun crimes are from illegal guns). You're saying it's a privilege to own a gun, that's fine, but if you legally own a gun, you're not seeing these checks as a privilege, you're seeing them as a punishment for following the law. Meanwhile, the money spent conducting spot checks on law-abiding citizens could rather be spent on trying to get illegal guns off the street (which your solution to the problem ignores).
The benefits of a mental health system overhaul? Firstly, you're not challenging any of the constitution by putting money into healthcare, unlike spot checks (which as I stated earlier would be opposed by the NRA AND the ACLU). How many violent crimes is it going to stop? Who knows. But what it will do is help reduce the stigma of mental illnesses such as depression (which 20% of Americans have!), and make treatment more available for those who are afflicted.
My point is, you don't know the effect either proposal will have on gun crimes, but you can take a look at what else will change. A spot check system would just be a huge inconvenience for people who follow the law and a surrender of constitutional rights. At least with a mental health overhaul, more people will be able to get the treatment they need for mental illness.
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Everything that concerns gun control is a stupid idea to you, but no one has answered my simple question: who is going to pay for mental health reform? Who?
The same people that would pay for this. I don't understand how the government divvies up the money, and they seem to be able to create it out of thin air. Balancing the budget doesn't concern me at all when discussing these (or any) solutions. Therefore, I'd argue that the costs for overhauls of each proposal would be similar. The benefits of them couldn't be further from each other.
What are the benefits of a spot check? A bunch of people who are greatly inconvenienced and giving up a constitutionally guaranteed liberty (see the fourth amendment). The only people who will have to go through this hassle are those who legally purchased guns (even though we know that the vast majority of gun crimes are from illegal guns). You're saying it's a privilege to own a gun, that's fine, but if you legally own a gun, you're not seeing these checks as a privilege, you're seeing them as a punishment for following the law. Meanwhile, the money spent conducting spot checks on law-abiding citizens could rather be spent on trying to get illegal guns off the street (which your solution to the problem ignores).
The benefits of a mental health system overhaul? Firstly, you're not challenging any of the constitution by putting money into healthcare, unlike spot checks (which as I stated earlier would be opposed by the NRA AND the ACLU). How many violent crimes is it going to stop? Who knows. But what it will do is help reduce the stigma of mental illnesses such as depression (which 20% of Americans have!), and make treatment more available for those who are afflicted.
My point is, you don't know the effect either proposal will have on gun crimes, but you can take a look at what else will change. A spot check system would just be a huge inconvenience for people who follow the law and a surrender of constitutional rights. At least with a mental health overhaul, more people will be able to get the treatment they need for mental illness.
The same people that would pay for this. I don't understand how the government divvies up the money, and they seem to be able to create it out of thin air. Balancing the budget doesn't concern me at all when discussing these (or any) solutions. Therefore, I'd argue that the costs for overhauls of each proposal would be similar. The benefits of them couldn't be further from each other.
What are the benefits of a spot check? A bunch of people who are greatly inconvenienced and giving up a constitutionally guaranteed liberty (see the fourth amendment). The only people who will have to go through this hassle are those who legally purchased guns (even though we know that the vast majority of gun crimes are from illegal guns). You're saying it's a privilege to own a gun, that's fine, but if you legally own a gun, you're not seeing these checks as a privilege, you're seeing them as a punishment for following the law. Meanwhile, the money spent conducting spot checks on law-abiding citizens could rather be spent on trying to get illegal guns off the street (which your solution to the problem ignores).
The benefits of a mental health system overhaul? Firstly, you're not challenging any of the constitution by putting money into healthcare, unlike spot checks (which as I stated earlier would be opposed by the NRA AND the ACLU). How many violent crimes is it going to stop? Who knows. But what it will do is help reduce the stigma of mental illnesses such as depression (which 20% of Americans have!), and make treatment more available for those who are afflicted.
My point is, you don't know the effect either proposal will have on gun crimes, but you can take a look at what else will change. A spot check system would just be a huge inconvenience for people who follow the law and a surrender of constitutional rights. At least with a mental health overhaul, more people will be able to get the treatment they need for mental illness.
Wishful thinking. When it comes time to pay for it I guarantee republicans stymie it.
Btw. Ive said before in this very thread that home inspections would have to be but one of a wide range of initiatives designed to slow murderous gun rampages.
Also the NRA doesn't want mass shootings to stop. At all. It's good for their business after all.
Meanwhile there were more school shootings today. A five year old is being held in a bunker by a gunman today, and he will be killed I have no doubt. A prosecuter was gunned down on Texas. There was a shooting at a mediation yesterday.
If someone is cutting their own wrists is your priority to get the knife away first? Or examine what caused it first?
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The same people that would pay for this. I don't understand how the government divvies up the money, and they seem to be able to create it out of thin air. Balancing the budget doesn't concern me at all when discussing these (or any) solutions. Therefore, I'd argue that the costs for overhauls of each proposal would be similar. The benefits of them couldn't be further from each other.
What are the benefits of a spot check? A bunch of people who are greatly inconvenienced and giving up a constitutionally guaranteed liberty (see the fourth amendment). The only people who will have to go through this hassle are those who legally purchased guns (even though we know that the vast majority of gun crimes are from illegal guns). You're saying it's a privilege to own a gun, that's fine, but if you legally own a gun, you're not seeing these checks as a privilege, you're seeing them as a punishment for following the law. Meanwhile, the money spent conducting spot checks on law-abiding citizens could rather be spent on trying to get illegal guns off the street (which your solution to the problem ignores).
The benefits of a mental health system overhaul? Firstly, you're not challenging any of the constitution by putting money into healthcare, unlike spot checks (which as I stated earlier would be opposed by the NRA AND the ACLU). How many violent crimes is it going to stop? Who knows. But what it will do is help reduce the stigma of mental illnesses such as depression (which 20% of Americans have!), and make treatment more available for those who are afflicted.
My point is, you don't know the effect either proposal will have on gun crimes, but you can take a look at what else will change. A spot check system would just be a huge inconvenience for people who follow the law and a surrender of constitutional rights. At least with a mental health overhaul, more people will be able to get the treatment they need for mental illness.
Wishful thinking. When it comes time to pay for it I guarantee republicans stymie it.
Btw. Ive said before in this very thread that home inspections would have to be but one of a wide range of initiatives designed to slow murderous gun rampages.
Also the NRA doesn't want mass shootings to stop. At all. It's good for their business after all.
Meanwhile there were more school shootings today. A five year old is being held in a bunker by a gunman today, and he will be killed I have no doubt. A prosecuter was gunned down on Texas. There was a shooting at a mediation yesterday.
If someone is cutting their own wrists is your priority to get the knife away first? Or examine what caused it first?
Wishful thinking. When it comes time to pay for it I guarantee republicans stymie it.
Btw. Ive said before in this very thread that home inspections would have to be but one of a wide range of initiatives designed to slow murderous gun rampages.
Also the NRA doesn't want mass shootings to stop. At all. It's good for their business after all.
Meanwhile there were more school shootings today. A five year old is being held in a bunker by a gunman today, and he will be killed I have no doubt. A prosecuter was gunned down on Texas. There was a shooting at a mediation yesterday.
If someone is cutting their own wrists is your priority to get the knife away first? Or examine what caused it first?
I think that Cysco wants to establish a George Orwell type of Government i.e., 1984. We can have telescreens, thought police the whole nine yards. Give away all kinds of freedoms so them crazy bastards can't buy a gun.
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Wishful thinking. When it comes time to pay for it I guarantee republicans stymie it.
Btw. Ive said before in this very thread that home inspections would have to be but one of a wide range of initiatives designed to slow murderous gun rampages.
Also the NRA doesn't want mass shootings to stop. At all. It's good for their business after all.
Meanwhile there were more school shootings today. A five year old is being held in a bunker by a gunman today, and he will be killed I have no doubt. A prosecuter was gunned down on Texas. There was a shooting at a mediation yesterday.
If someone is cutting their own wrists is your priority to get the knife away first? Or examine what caused it first?
I think that Cysco wants to establish a George Orwell type of Government i.e., 1984. We can have telescreens, thought police the whole nine yards. Give away all kinds of freedoms so them crazy bastards can't buy a gun.
I think that Cysco wants to establish a George Orwell type of Government i.e., 1984. We can have telescreens, thought police the whole nine yards. Give away all kinds of freedoms so them crazy bastards can't buy a gun.
I'm surprised you've even heard of orwell. In your fear of a dystopian future you're ignoring the dystopian future we live in.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
Yeah, I'm completely unwilling to go along with this idea. What exactly are they gonna check for, the owners being too black? Being a registered gun owner should NOT mean that you are submitting yourself to mandatory searches and potential seizures.
Yeah, I'm completely unwilling to go along with this idea. What exactly are they gonna check for, the owners being too black? Being a registered gun owner should NOT mean that you are submitting yourself to mandatory searches and potential seizures.
Actually if they look too Filipino.
But seriously you have a license, a registration, for a firearm.
Just like you do for your car.
With your car the cops can pull you over for anything and submit you to test, right?
So they spot check the house, much in the same manner.
Hello sir we know that you have 39 millimeter pistols registered here could we see where they are being kept?
Uh let's see ones under the kids bed the other 1 is over by the crack pipe.
But actually you know what I mean if they're not safely secured as required they can get flned.
Or they can get the license revoked.
Think about it you can't even drive or start your car if a passenger in the back seat has an open beer.
Those spot checks are completely legitimate, at least under today's law.
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Check points on the roads are perfectly constitutional whether you've done something wrong or not.
These are only allowed when the police make it public knowledge were these checkpoints will be. They just can't set one up anywhere or anytime. Atleast not in Ohio.
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Gun inspectors? LOL
For cryin out loud.
1. Fire inspectors don't inspect HOMES, they inspect businesses. Home inspectors are hired to inspect for purchasing a used home, or a new home.
As it is, a home being built, is on schedule, inspected to comply with buidling regs. That is before the home is owned by the future owner.
2. Stopping a car for "weaving" ??? There is no Constitutional guarantee of car ownership, or driving privacy.
3. The safety and security of HOMES is guaranteed to be safe from random gov intrusion. I"m sure that nutjob Bloopberg of NY would have
:random inspections" of homes for sugar, guns, salt, butter.....it's all bs.
4. Isn't that profiling, to go after gun owners for special harrassment?
5. Trust me, and I"m not the only one who knows this.... a "scheduled random check" is dumb- you can rely on people all of a sudden locking up their gun(s)
and complying during the check. Like Inspector General inspections. Scheduled, and all of a sudden in the military, the enlisted mess hall looks beautiful,
....really nice table cloths, place settings, flowers, fancy napkins, you betcha. Day After Inspection? Gone like a freight train. LOL. Back to normal.
Won't work, is a silly idea.
6. I don't have time for six. Gotta run....
Everything that concerns gun control is a stupid idea to you, but no one has answered my simple question: who is going to pay for mental health reform? Who?
Everything that concerns gun control is a stupid idea to you, but no one has answered my simple question: who is going to pay for mental health reform? Who?
Legalize pot and use the taxes from that to pay for it. 2 problems solved with one joint
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Everything that concerns gun control is a stupid idea to you, but no one has answered my simple question: who is going to pay for mental health reform? Who?
Legalize pot and use the taxes from that to pay for it. 2 problems solved with one joint
Legalize pot and use the taxes from that to pay for it. 2 problems solved with one joint
Sin tax ammunition to ten times its actual worth like they've done to cigarettes. Using that to help reform mental health will make a positive statement.
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I'm for the legalization of pot btw. Why not? It's a lot less harmful than alcohol.
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I think that Cysco wants to establish a George Orwell type of Government i.e., 1984. We can have telescreens, thought police the whole nine yards. Give away all kinds of freedoms so them crazy bastards can't buy a gun.
I'm surprised you've even heard of orwell. In your fear of a dystopian future you're ignoring the dystopian future we live in.
I'm surprised you've even heard of orwell. In your fear of a dystopian future you're ignoring the dystopian future we live in.
I read Orwell in the 1960's dude. Get real.
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