Brandon Weedon Better Next Year
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Great article....and I think it's right on the money. It was the problem with Shurmur and Holmgren and the rest of them. They had their system and anyone coming to play for the Browns had to learn that system or they wouldn't play here. In reality...McCoy was probably a better fit for Shurmurs offense although not by much. I think we're going to see a huge improvement from Weeden with a different set of coaches and play calling next season.
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Can we tag this post and bring it back next season? Tards!
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Weeden will shine next season. Looking forward to a much better team all around.
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Great article.
Give the kid another chance this year. There are worse or NO players at much needed positions.
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Can we tag this post and bring it back next season? Tards!
Can we tag this post and bring it back next season? Tards!
"Show dick some respect" - Judd Nelson
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Pluto is always very good, though in this case he is being the master of the obvious.
Anyone that watched the Browns last year knew that Weeden didn't fit Shurmur's system. I am not sure even Joe Montana would have fit Shurmur's system, and he was the prototypical WCO QB. Shurmur couldn't coach.
I expect Weeden to be much better next year....more experience, an offense that fits his style, etc.
But, of course, we are getting feelers that Lombardi doesn't like Weeden. Well, frack off Lombardi, that is why no one trusts your judgment.
At this point I am more interested in Chud's and Turner assessment of how Weeden can run THEIR offense.
Lombardi will NOT dictate to them the style of offense they will run. His job is to get the players for Chud that fit what he wants to do....and right now I cannot help but think that Weeden could be very good in the Chud/Turner system.
Hell...Alex Smith would probably have been better running the Holmgren/Shurmur offense than the Chud offense, though he didn't do bad in that spread option thing. I don't think that is the style of offense, per se, that is going to be run here.
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As I said in the other thread, I'm honestly just hoping they make the decision early and stick to it. I'm all in favor for competition in most every position in the NFL, but not QB. Use whatever saying you want but an NFL team comes and goes by the QB position. That guy needs to know from day one it's his team and build the rapport with the offense. I'm with you guys, I think Weeden can be really good in this system. But if for some reason they don't think he's the guy, trade/draft who you want and give him the first team reps from day one.
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The coaching and scheme changes aren't as much of a concern to me as factors such as the guard position and the footwork/pocket abilities of Weeden coming into next year, BUT considering he will be in the shotgun more makes that aspect better. And another receiver in the mix as well for competition to the current starters.
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Keep Weeden another season at least. Let him be a leader, he has professional sports experience, which IS worth allot. Can't help but think Shurmur never respected Weeden's ability, nor McCoy's which is just another reason Shurmur will not be good anywhere. The guy has little confidence that the players can be as much a part of the team's success (with their own input and decisions) as the coach. Norv has been around allot longer and seems much smarter. What baffles me is why, with the tracking capabilities teams have now, would they continue to use a failing system ? Surely the points this article bring out were able to be viewed during teh season as well. Not as much as hindsight, but even during the use, they couldn't see Weeden's capabilities and what his habits were and change their theme ? Dumb coaching, dumb management. Cannot say at this point Weeden will be the future of this team, but he definitely shows the most promise we've seen and read than anyone over the last several years.
Really looking forward to 2013 / 14 season, can't start soon enough !
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i'll just say this, if weeden isn't better this coming season, you know we'll be looking to draft QB #1 in 2014.
and as far as a QB competition...it's happening. haslam said it last week.
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i'll just say this, if weeden isn't better this coming season, you know we'll be looking to draft QB #1 in 2014.
and as far as a QB competition...it's happening. haslam said it last week.
i'll just say this, if weeden isn't better this coming season, you know we'll be looking to draft QB #1 in 2014.
and as far as a QB competition...it's happening. haslam said it last week.
Suck for johnny football?
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Suck for johnny football?
Johnny Football does not fit our scheme in the slightest and won't have the same season next year as he did this year. He has some great tools, but he's an undersized, scrambling dink-and-dunker. Think Drew Brees with a smaller arm but more maneuverable.
He's Colt McCoy, if Colt McCoy didn't suck.
For the system we had under Shurmur, he'd be great. Not so much in Chud's offense.
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Suck for johnny football?
Johnny Football does not fit our scheme in the slightest and won't have the same season next year as he did this year. He has some great tools, but he's an undersized, scrambling dink-and-dunker. Think Drew Brees with a smaller arm but more maneuverable.
He's Colt McCoy, if Colt McCoy didn't suck.
For the system we had under Shurmur, he'd be great. Not so much in Chud's offense.
Johnny Football does not fit our scheme in the slightest and won't have the same season next year as he did this year. He has some great tools, but he's an undersized, scrambling dink-and-dunker. Think Drew Brees with a smaller arm but more maneuverable.
He's Colt McCoy, if Colt McCoy didn't suck.
For the system we had under Shurmur, he'd be great. Not so much in Chud's offense.
Sorry but i disagree with everything you said.
Colt is not as fast and less arm.
Red shirt freshman beat #1 bama the kid was playing high school ball the year before i honestly cant see his numbers getting worse.
I dont know if anyone knows what chuds "offense" is. Are we going to see the 2007 version , or the spread option scrambling qb version? With that being said would it be fair to say that he fits his system to the Qb?
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Johnny Football does not fit our scheme in the slightest and won't have the same season next year as he did this year. He has some great tools, but he's an undersized, scrambling dink-and-dunker. Think Drew Brees with a smaller arm but more maneuverable.
He's Colt McCoy, if Colt McCoy didn't suck.
For the system we had under Shurmur, he'd be great. Not so much in Chud's offense.
Sorry but i disagree with everything you said.
Colt is not as fast and less arm.
Red shirt freshman beat #1 bama the kid was playing high school ball the year before i honestly cant see his numbers getting worse.
I dont know if anyone knows what chuds "offense" is. Are we going to see the 2007 version , or the spread option scrambling qb version? With that being said would it be fair to say that he fits his system to the Qb?
Sorry but i disagree with everything you said.
Colt is not as fast and less arm.
Red shirt freshman beat #1 bama the kid was playing high school ball the year before i honestly cant see his numbers getting worse.
I dont know if anyone knows what chuds "offense" is. Are we going to see the 2007 version , or the spread option scrambling qb version? With that being said would it be fair to say that he fits his system to the Qb?
Their arm strength is about the same, but Manziel's mobility is better.
As for the Alabama game, people seem to forget that the Texas A&M defense forced three turnovers on the Crimson Tide, converting two into touchdowns and the last one to save an inevitable Alabama comeback.
And he wasn't playing high school ball the year before, because he was redshirted. This will be his third year of college.
It's well know what Chud's offense is. It's a vertical passing attack reliant on TE's coupled with a strong running game. That's what we ran in 2007, that's what the Panthers ran last season, and that's what they ran the second half of this season after the cutesy read option proved to be ineffective.
It's fair to say Chud adapts to his QB's strengths but the common denominator of all of his QB's has been a cannon arm.
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Brandon Weeden has never lost to the Steelers.
Can't give up on him.
Zombo
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Zombo said:
Brandon Weeden has never lost to the Steelers.
Can't give up on him.
Zombo
WOW, that is true, isn't it. Most of us didn't think of that.
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Sorry but i disagree with everything you said.
Colt is not as fast and less arm.
Red shirt freshman beat #1 bama the kid was playing high school ball the year before i honestly cant see his numbers getting worse.
I dont know if anyone knows what chuds "offense" is. Are we going to see the 2007 version , or the spread option scrambling qb version? With that being said would it be fair to say that he fits his system to the Qb?
Their arm strength is about the same, but Manziel's mobility is better.
As for the Alabama game, people seem to forget that the Texas A&M defense forced three turnovers on the Crimson Tide, converting two into touchdowns and the last one to save an inevitable Alabama comeback.
And he wasn't playing high school ball the year before, because he was redshirted. This will be his third year of college.
It's well know what Chud's offense is. It's a vertical passing attack reliant on TE's coupled with a strong running game. That's what we ran in 2007, that's what the Panthers ran last season, and that's what they ran the second half of this season after the cutesy read option proved to be ineffective.
It's fair to say Chud adapts to his QB's strengths but the common denominator of all of his QB's has been a cannon arm.
Their arm strength is about the same, but Manziel's mobility is better.
As for the Alabama game, people seem to forget that the Texas A&M defense forced three turnovers on the Crimson Tide, converting two into touchdowns and the last one to save an inevitable Alabama comeback.
And he wasn't playing high school ball the year before, because he was redshirted. This will be his third year of college.
It's well know what Chud's offense is. It's a vertical passing attack reliant on TE's coupled with a strong running game. That's what we ran in 2007, that's what the Panthers ran last season, and that's what they ran the second half of this season after the cutesy read option proved to be ineffective.
It's fair to say Chud adapts to his QB's strengths but the common denominator of all of his QB's has been a cannon arm.
Well since D.A was claimed off waivers by savage in '05 and chud wasn't part of the team until '07 and carolina drafting cam #1 overall was a no brainer its more of a fluke that they both happen to have good arms.
But you have to admit manzel played one hell of a game against the tide, kept his composure and another reason he won the Heisman.
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Zombo said:
Brandon Weeden has never lost to the Steelers.
Can't give up on him.
Zombo
Oh im not just making conversation, actually quite excited to see weeds with turner and co.
If he dont have 25 touchdowns this year somethings wrong
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that all being said if ginger stick still keeps telegraphing his passes and giving up horrible field possesion with ints, let alone pick 6's, and looking like a victim trying to audible out of a play etc. etc.... major off season for him.
it really sucks that the nfl is that way, but if you can't prove yourself in 3 years...you're a goner.
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I expect a lot of TD's and a lot of interceptions from Weeden.
Next year's success/lack of success will come down to defense imo.
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