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Guys, please stop with the McCoy weak arm BS. You all are smart enough to know he wouldn't even be in the Arena League if he had a weak arm. If you don't like him- fine. But come up with a different reason. The weak arm stuff is just lame.
So everybody in the NFL has the exact same arm? That makes a boatload of sense.
The "weak arm stuff" is the exact reason why he will never be a starter in this league. His arm may not be weak by everyday standards but by NFL standards, it is. Every QB in the NFL can throw a 60 yard pass, but some have to have their feet planted and put a lot of air under it while others can simply flick their wrist while on the run.
If you can't see the difference between McCoy's deep throws and Weeden's deep throws, you are blind. Plain and simple.
There's a reason Brandon Weeden's longest TD pass is 15 yards longer than any one McCoy has ever thrown for the Cleveland Browns.
Some QB's do very well with weak arms, like Chud Pennington. McCoy was in a system that was tailor-made for his strengths, and he still lost the starting job. Think of it what you will, those are the facts.
There's a reason Brandon Weeden's longest TD pass is 15 yards longer than any one McCoy has ever thrown for the Cleveland Browns
Sure Weeden throws the long ball with more ease, but looking back at the TD's your on about the 71yd TD by Gordon was thrown 40yds by Weeden, where as McCoys longest throw was 56yd pass which he threw 50yds through the air. So you cant use that scenario as your argument. Also the stats below are quite revealing also, showing McCoy as being the better at throwing longer passes.
I honestly dont care who is our QB so long as they are winning, I would like us to go get Alex Smith, or just let Weeden and McCoy have proper battle this year, and with what looks like better crop of QB's in next years Draft look to there if we dont have the answer with the QB's we have already.
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I think he's got a better arm than a lot of fans give him credit for.
I won't disrespect you PG because you are obviously a huge fan of the Browns. BUT, there are two things you have to admit about McCoy. 1, he has no zip on the long ball, he is a DB's dream QB due to the ball hanging so long. 2, he will never lead a team to a deep playoff run, let alone a Super Bowl. That is what we want, just like one of the posters on here named CLE wants playoffs. That is what we all want, and we will NOT get it from McCoy
PG, your fandom is admirable, your objectivity is poor. Look, Heckert and Holmgren have forgotten more about football than you and I will ever know. Do you believe they just said, "gee that McCoy kid sucks, let's draft another quarterback?" They broke down tape of every play McCoy ran first, knew what the call was, knew where the wrs were supposed to be. They graded Colt out- and they found him lacking. He's a smart kid- with physical limitations for the qb job. Let it go.
That's not to say our recently departed Front Office was incapable of making mistakes- because they did, taking Trent Richardson at #3. I said all along, in today's NFL you don't draft RBs high- Mike Lombardi happens to agree with me, BTW. At least for 2012, my hunch was 100% correct, and it was more than a hunch- looking at TR's college film, I didn't see another Adrian Peterson. If you want to tell me with a straight face TRich had a better rookie season than Doug Martin, you'll get laughed off the board. Rushing Stats There's a ton of guys ahead of Richardson on that list who were second round picks, or even lower- Washington's RB was a sixth rounder, Foster was an UFA. Richardson was drafted to be the next Jim Brown\ Walter Payton. Sorry kiddo, I'm not seeing or feeling it.
PG, your fandom is admirable, your objectivity is poor. Look, Heckert and Holmgren have forgotten more about football than you and I will ever know. Do you believe they just said, "gee that McCoy kid sucks, let's draft another quarterback?" They broke down tape of every play McCoy ran first, knew what the call was, knew where the wrs were supposed to be. They graded Colt out- and they found him lacking. He's a smart kid- with physical limitations for the qb job. Let it go.
i got what you were saying, but with that being said, sounds like holmgren and heckert forgot ALOT about football if they (from what you're saying) drafted mccoy, whiffed sooo badly, that they had to draft another qb the next year.
i think heckert did a good job here, BUT there is no way anyone can say holmgren lived up to his own 'legend' as pres of the browns.
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There's a reason Brandon Weeden's longest TD pass is 15 yards longer than any one McCoy has ever thrown for the Cleveland Browns
Sure Weeden throws the long ball with more ease, but looking back at the TD's your on about the 71yd TD by Gordon was thrown 40yds by Weeden, where as McCoys longest throw was 56yd pass which he threw 50yds through the air. So you cant use that scenario as your argument. Also the stats below are quite revealing also, showing McCoy as being the better at throwing longer passes.
I honestly dont care who is our QB so long as they are winning, I would like us to go get Alex Smith, or just let Weeden and McCoy have proper battle this year, and with what looks like better crop of QB's in next years Draft look to there if we dont have the answer with the QB's we have already.
Sure Weeden throws the long ball with more ease, but looking back at the TD's your on about the 71yd TD by Gordon was thrown 40yds by Weeden, where as McCoys longest throw was 56yd pass which he threw 50yds through the air. So you cant use that scenario as your argument. Also the stats below are quite revealing also, showing McCoy as being the better at throwing longer passes.
I honestly dont care who is our QB so long as they are winning, I would like us to go get Alex Smith, or just let Weeden and McCoy have proper battle this year, and with what looks like better crop of QB's in next years Draft look to there if we dont have the answer with the QB's we have already.
That's all well and good, but go back and watch Colt's long passes. Colt's 56 yard pass was impressive but he still heavily underthrew Massaquoi, who had his man beat and was streaking down the sideline but had to turn around and backpedal to make the catch. With Weeden's arm, that would have been an easy TD. Same goes for the TD pass to Ben Watson earlier in that game. Ben Watson had his man beat and was behind the safety, and Colt's pass took so long to get there that the corner had time to close the gap and almost make a play on the ball.
As for being "better", if you're going by completion percentage I guess you could say that. But to only take two shots down the field in an entire season is hardly the best sample size to judge from. The guy had to be wide open for McCoy to take a shot, and even then he still underthrew him. That doesn't make a guy better, in my book.
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Sure Weeden throws the long ball with more ease, but looking back at the TD's your on about the 71yd TD by Gordon was thrown 40yds by Weeden, where as McCoys longest throw was 56yd pass which he threw 50yds through the air. So you cant use that scenario as your argument. Also the stats below are quite revealing also, showing McCoy as being the better at throwing longer passes.
I honestly dont care who is our QB so long as they are winning, I would like us to go get Alex Smith, or just let Weeden and McCoy have proper battle this year, and with what looks like better crop of QB's in next years Draft look to there if we dont have the answer with the QB's we have already.
That's all well and good, but go back and watch Colt's long passes. Colt's 56 yard pass was impressive but he still heavily underthrew Massaquoi, who had his man beat and was streaking down the sideline but had to turn around and backpedal to make the catch. With Weeden's arm, that would have been an easy TD. Same goes for the TD pass to Ben Watson earlier in that game. Ben Watson had his man beat and was behind the safety, and Colt's pass took so long to get there that the corner had time to close the gap and almost make a play on the ball.
As for being "better", if you're going by completion percentage I guess you could say that. But to only take two shots down the field in an entire season is hardly the best sample size to judge from. The guy had to be wide open for McCoy to take a shot, and even then he still underthrew him. That doesn't make a guy better, in my book.
That's all well and good, but go back and watch Colt's long passes. Colt's 56 yard pass was impressive but he still heavily underthrew Massaquoi, who had his man beat and was streaking down the sideline but had to turn around and backpedal to make the catch. With Weeden's arm, that would have been an easy TD. Same goes for the TD pass to Ben Watson earlier in that game. Ben Watson had his man beat and was behind the safety, and Colt's pass took so long to get there that the corner had time to close the gap and almost make a play on the ball.
As for being "better", if you're going by completion percentage I guess you could say that. But to only take two shots down the field in an entire season is hardly the best sample size to judge from. The guy had to be wide open for McCoy to take a shot, and even then he still underthrew him. That doesn't make a guy better, in my book.
Your correct with what saying, McCoys throws do get underthrown when could be ending up TD's if it was Weeden throwing them, that is if Weeden actually gave the WR a play on the ball, which I think is what many have been dissapointed in Weeden with, he came in with reputation of having good accuracy, but hell some of his throws to open guys were awful. I am just trying to play Devils Advocate with you, as I dont exepect either to be starting QB for us after next year or even at begining of upcoming season.
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It's the Browns. It's hard to plan anything.
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to draft another QB this year would be a huge mistake.
defense defense defense.
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Majority of the people in here need to remove the Weeden Goggles.
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Majority of the people in here need to remove the Weeden Goggles.
Majority of the people in here need to remove the Weeden Goggles.
Weeden needs to pull the goggles out of his ass and start playing football. You need to stop being an idiot
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I just can't see McCoy being the type of QB our HC is looking for and you could even argue he was a better fit for the lawsuit the last bunch wanted to play the game.
Weeden may never be the QB to take us forward but I still think he is more the type of player they are looking for and I'd personally give him one more season to sink or swim.
Surely given the players in this draft and our obvious need, we have to take a pass rusher with our first pick and try to bring in secondary help through FA. I'm no expert and don't get to see college football over here but reading what's been said, the talent this year is on defence rather than QB.
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I just can't see McCoy being the type of QB our HC is looking for and you could even argue he was a better fit for the lawsuit the last bunch wanted to play the game.
Weeden may never be the QB to take us forward but I still think he is more the type of player they are looking for and I'd personally give him one more season to sink or swim.
Surely given the players in this draft and our obvious need, we have to take a pass rusher with our first pick and try to bring in secondary help through FA. I'm no expert and don't get to see college football over here but reading what's been said, the talent this year is on defence rather than QB.
I just can't see McCoy being the type of QB our HC is looking for and you could even argue he was a better fit for the lawsuit the last bunch wanted to play the game.
Weeden may never be the QB to take us forward but I still think he is more the type of player they are looking for and I'd personally give him one more season to sink or swim.
Surely given the players in this draft and our obvious need, we have to take a pass rusher with our first pick and try to bring in secondary help through FA. I'm no expert and don't get to see college football over here but reading what's been said, the talent this year is on defence rather than QB.
I completely agree. I'd give Weeden one more year with a HC and OC willing to work with the talents that he has rather than trying to force him into the coachs system. The draft isn't great for QB's this year anyways, build the defense this year. If Weeden sucks next year, move on for the 2014 season.
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I just can't see McCoy being the type of QB our HC is looking for and you could even argue he was a better fit for the lawsuit the last bunch wanted to play the game.
Weeden may never be the QB to take us forward but I still think he is more the type of player they are looking for and I'd personally give him one more season to sink or swim.
Surely given the players in this draft and our obvious need, we have to take a pass rusher with our first pick and try to bring in secondary help through FA. I'm no expert and don't get to see college football over here but reading what's been said, the talent this year is on defence rather than QB.
I completely agree. I'd give Weeden one more year with a HC and OC willing to work with the talents that he has rather than trying to force him into the coachs system. The draft isn't great for QB's this year anyways, build the defense this year. If Weeden sucks next year, move on for the 2014 season.
I completely agree. I'd give Weeden one more year with a HC and OC willing to work with the talents that he has rather than trying to force him into the coachs system. The draft isn't great for QB's this year anyways, build the defense this year. If Weeden sucks next year, move on for the 2014 season.
everyone says colt will be traded or cut. yet he's been on the roster for how long now?
everyone is saying give weeden one more year (including myself, only because i don't think we should draft OR bring in another IMO). who's to say weeden gets the starting job?
wouldn't everyone be surprised if mccoy beats out weeden for the starting spot given a fair QB competition?
i'm not saying it's going to happen, but it'd sure as hell stir things up on this board.
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I completely agree. I'd give Weeden one more year with a HC and OC willing to work with the talents that he has rather than trying to force him into the coachs system. The draft isn't great for QB's this year anyways, build the defense this year. If Weeden sucks next year, move on for the 2014 season.
everyone says colt will be traded or cut. yet he's been on the roster for how long now?
everyone is saying give weeden one more year (including myself, only because i don't think we should draft OR bring in another IMO). who's to say weeden gets the starting job?
wouldn't everyone be surprised if mccoy beats out weeden for the starting spot given a fair QB competition?
i'm not saying it's going to happen, but it'd sure as hell stir things up on this board.
everyone says colt will be traded or cut. yet he's been on the roster for how long now?
everyone is saying give weeden one more year (including myself, only because i don't think we should draft OR bring in another IMO). who's to say weeden gets the starting job?
wouldn't everyone be surprised if mccoy beats out weeden for the starting spot given a fair QB competition?
i'm not saying it's going to happen, but it'd sure as hell stir things up on this board.
I think Colts best chance to win the starting job was in last years offense with Shurmur and the WCO he was trying to run. He should've been given the opportunity to win the job in camp last year but didn't. From everything we've heard about Chud and what I know from watching Norv run the Chargers offense, Colt isn't the kind of QB that they want to run the offense that they would prefer to run. I guess it's possible that Colt outplays him in camp (assuming he's still here) and they adjust the offense to fit more of Colt's style but I don't see that happening.
My bet is he's the Green Bay backup QB when training camps open.
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Everything that's been said about our new offensive scheme seems to point to a more vertical style with a big armed QB who can throw it deep.
I'm not saying Weeden can pull it off but that's the sort of player he is designed to be. MCCoy may be able to manage an offence by dinking and dunking it down the field but it's not the way we are looking to play and personally I'm pleased about that.
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That's all well and good, but go back and watch Colt's long passes. Colt's 56 yard pass was impressive but he still heavily underthrew Massaquoi, who had his man beat and was streaking down the sideline but had to turn around and backpedal to make the catch. With Weeden's arm, that would have been an easy TD. Same goes for the TD pass to Ben Watson earlier in that game. Ben Watson had his man beat and was behind the safety, and Colt's pass took so long to get there that the corner had time to close the gap and almost make a play on the ball.
As for being "better", if you're going by completion percentage I guess you could say that. But to only take two shots down the field in an entire season is hardly the best sample size to judge from. The guy had to be wide open for McCoy to take a shot, and even then he still underthrew him. That doesn't make a guy better, in my book.
Your correct with what saying, McCoys throws do get underthrown when could be ending up TD's if it was Weeden throwing them, that is if Weeden actually gave the WR a play on the ball, which I think is what many have been dissapointed in Weeden with, he came in with reputation of having good accuracy, but hell some of his throws to open guys were awful. I am just trying to play Devils Advocate with you, as I dont exepect either to be starting QB for us after next year or even at begining of upcoming season.
Your correct with what saying, McCoys throws do get underthrown when could be ending up TD's if it was Weeden throwing them, that is if Weeden actually gave the WR a play on the ball, which I think is what many have been dissapointed in Weeden with, he came in with reputation of having good accuracy, but hell some of his throws to open guys were awful. I am just trying to play Devils Advocate with you, as I dont exepect either to be starting QB for us after next year or even at begining of upcoming season.
It's really about deciding whether you want a guy who underthrows his receivers or overthrows them. Either way, it still sucks and its a nutpunch to see a guy wide open and have the QB not able to deliver it accurately to him.
Between the two on the team, I'd say its 75-25 Weeden's job to lose. But I wouldn't be surprised to see us address QB with our third rounder, depending on who's on the board. If Tyler Bray is still available, and after the day he ha today, I could see him coming to Cleveland. I'd rather see us try for Manuel, personally.
I don't think there's a FA out there that is marketdly better than Weeden. Smith has composed decent stats but is not the type of player I envision running Chud's offense
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Your correct with what saying, McCoys throws do get underthrown when could be ending up TD's if it was Weeden throwing them, that is if Weeden actually gave the WR a play on the ball, which I think is what many have been dissapointed in Weeden with, he came in with reputation of having good accuracy, but hell some of his throws to open guys were awful. I am just trying to play Devils Advocate with you, as I dont exepect either to be starting QB for us after next year or even at begining of upcoming season.
It's really about deciding whether you want a guy who underthrows his receivers or overthrows them. Either way, it still sucks and its a nutpunch to see a guy wide open and have the QB not able to deliver it accurately to him.
Between the two on the team, I'd say its 75-25 Weeden's job to lose. But I wouldn't be surprised to see us address QB with our third rounder, depending on who's on the board. If Tyler Bray is still available, and after the day he ha today, I could see him coming to Cleveland. I'd rather see us try for Manuel, personally.
I don't think there's a FA out there that is marketdly better than Weeden. Smith has composed decent stats but is not the type of player I envision running Chud's offense
It's really about deciding whether you want a guy who underthrows his receivers or overthrows them. Either way, it still sucks and its a nutpunch to see a guy wide open and have the QB not able to deliver it accurately to him.
Between the two on the team, I'd say its 75-25 Weeden's job to lose. But I wouldn't be surprised to see us address QB with our third rounder, depending on who's on the board. If Tyler Bray is still available, and after the day he ha today, I could see him coming to Cleveland. I'd rather see us try for Manuel, personally.
I don't think there's a FA out there that is marketdly better than Weeden. Smith has composed decent stats but is not the type of player I envision running Chud's offense
Yeah if we can fill at least one hole via FA I could go for a QB in the third depending on who is there. Wouldn't mind seeing Landry Jones fall that far, but he wont
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It's really about deciding whether you want a guy who underthrows his receivers or overthrows them. Either way, it still sucks and its a nutpunch to see a guy wide open and have the QB not able to deliver it accurately to him.
Between the two on the team, I'd say its 75-25 Weeden's job to lose. But I wouldn't be surprised to see us address QB with our third rounder, depending on who's on the board. If Tyler Bray is still available, and after the day he ha today, I could see him coming to Cleveland. I'd rather see us try for Manuel, personally.
I don't think there's a FA out there that is marketdly better than Weeden. Smith has composed decent stats but is not the type of player I envision running Chud's offense
Yeah if we can fill at least one hole via FA I could go for a QB in the third depending on who is there. Wouldn't mind seeing Landry Jones fall that far, but he wont
Yeah if we can fill at least one hole via FA I could go for a QB in the third depending on who is there. Wouldn't mind seeing Landry Jones fall that far, but he wont
With all the needs on just the defensive side of the ball taking a qb anywhere before the last pick would be a waste, and even then it is. The qb class this year sucks, stock up on what the draft is loaded with, defensive talent.
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Unless by the wildest stretch of the imagination Joe Flacco actually does hit the FA market, there is absofuckinglutely nothing out there in the Draft of the FA market that is an upgrade over BW3. And I include in that Alex Smith.
If Chud liked Weeden he would have said so by now. Weeds is probably gonzo. Even if he stays he'd just be backing up DA anyway.
If Chud liked Weeden he would have said so by now. Weeds is probably gonzo. Even if he stays he'd just be backing up DA anyway.
I am sure by now you have been notified but...indeed, over the weekend Chud told Banner and Lombardi that he wants to keep Weeden and see how he can do with him.
Banner still says they will bring in competition for Weeden, but who that may be, who knows.
Will it burst your bubble if Chud passes on DA?
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If Chud liked Weeden he would have said so by now. Weeds is probably gonzo. Even if he stays he'd just be backing up DA anyway.
I am sure by now you have been notified but...indeed, over the weekend Chud told Banner and Lombardi that he wants to keep Weeden and see how he can do with him.
Banner still says they will bring in competition for Weeden, but who that may be, who knows.
Will it burst your bubble if Chud passes on DA?
I am sure by now you have been notified but...indeed, over the weekend Chud told Banner and Lombardi that he wants to keep Weeden and see how he can do with him.
Banner still says they will bring in competition for Weeden, but who that may be, who knows.
Will it burst your bubble if Chud passes on DA?
Not surprised if they keep Weedz but it'll be interesting right off the bat to see who gets to wear the number 3.
And if they can't get DA they'll probably get Matt Moore, who I am also pretty familiar with.
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Yeah if we can fill at least one hole via FA I could go for a QB in the third depending on who is there. Wouldn't mind seeing Landry Jones fall that far, but he wont
With all the needs on just the defensive side of the ball taking a qb anywhere before the last pick would be a waste, and even then it is. The qb class this year sucks, stock up on what the draft is loaded with, defensive talent.
With all the needs on just the defensive side of the ball taking a qb anywhere before the last pick would be a waste, and even then it is. The qb class this year sucks, stock up on what the draft is loaded with, defensive talent.
^this. 1000%.
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I am sure by now you have been notified but...indeed, over the weekend Chud told Banner and Lombardi that he wants to keep Weeden and see how he can do with him.
Banner still says they will bring in competition for Weeden, but who that may be, who knows.
Will it burst your bubble if Chud passes on DA?
Not surprised if they keep Weedz but it'll be interesting right off the bat to see who gets to wear the number 3.
And if they can't get DA they'll probably get Matt Moore, who I am also pretty familiar with.
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