Psl's No Longer Required At Stadium
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In the latest news, PSL's will no longer be required to purchase season tickets.
I'd like to hear the feeling of those who currently hold PSL's.
To be honest, I am not totally happy with this. More on principle than the loss of any money that might be involved. As I have it figured, the $3000 I spent on my 2 seats was gone 8-9 years ago and I really never expected to sell my seats. I figured I'd just die and that would be that.
However this past year I decided I wanted Club seats. I contacted my ticket Rep last October and scheduled a tour of the clubs so my wife could see them. All was fine and dandy and the idea was sold. Now I fear people off the street have come in and taken the seats in the section I wanted. If this has happened, I am going to be royally pissed. I can't justify the super expensive seats. I need the cheapest club seats I can get, and fear those will be the first to go.
The process is I have to send in a transfer request by April 1st, and only accounts which have made payments will be considered for relocation. My fear is if I keep following the process, some eggbert is going to tell me there are no tickets available in the club because a bunch of people off the street just came in and bought them.
I am beginning to think I might just need to call the ticket office and buy the club seats and simply not renew my old ones. But that pisses me off as well. As I said, I expected to die with the seats and that would be that. I didn't expect to simply hand over $3000. Again, it isn't so much the money, but rather the idea of doing so that irritates me.
But, I might as well. This move for no PSL's pretty much removes any chance of ever selling them unless you hold what I consider a premium seat. Mine would be borderline at best....row 19 uppers, 45 yard line. Good seats, but not so good people would be willing to pay much when they can get seats for free in other locations.
Anyway, what do you guys think?
In the latest news, PSL's will no longer be required to purchase season tickets.
I'd like to hear the feeling of those who currently hold PSL's.
To be honest, I am not totally happy with this. More on principle than the loss of any money that might be involved. As I have it figured, the $3000 I spent on my 2 seats was gone 8-9 years ago and I really never expected to sell my seats. I figured I'd just die and that would be that.
However this past year I decided I wanted Club seats. I contacted my ticket Rep last October and scheduled a tour of the clubs so my wife could see them. All was fine and dandy and the idea was sold. Now I fear people off the street have come in and taken the seats in the section I wanted. If this has happened, I am going to be royally pissed. I can't justify the super expensive seats. I need the cheapest club seats I can get, and fear those will be the first to go.
The process is I have to send in a transfer request by April 1st, and only accounts which have made payments will be considered for relocation. My fear is if I keep following the process, some eggbert is going to tell me there are no tickets available in the club because a bunch of people off the street just came in and bought them.
I am beginning to think I might just need to call the ticket office and buy the club seats and simply not renew my old ones. But that pisses me off as well. As I said, I expected to die with the seats and that would be that. I didn't expect to simply hand over $3000. Again, it isn't so much the money, but rather the idea of doing so that irritates me.
But, I might as well. This move for no PSL's pretty much removes any chance of ever selling them unless you hold what I consider a premium seat. Mine would be borderline at best....row 19 uppers, 45 yard line. Good seats, but not so good people would be willing to pay much when they can get seats for free in other locations.
Anyway, what do you guys think?
I don't profess to know all the etails about the PSL but I totally see your point about being bumped out of the queue for the club seats you were after. The organisation needs to recognise those who shelled out thousands per seat and protect them from other fans who have not made the same investment over that period. Lord knows your loyalty deserves it.
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In the latest news, PSL's will no longer be required to purchase season tickets.
I'd like to hear the feeling of those who currently hold PSL's.
To be honest, I am not totally happy with this. More on principle than the loss of any money that might be involved. As I have it figured, the $3000 I spent on my 2 seats was gone 8-9 years ago and I really never expected to sell my seats. I figured I'd just die and that would be that.
However this past year I decided I wanted Club seats. I contacted my ticket Rep last October and scheduled a tour of the clubs so my wife could see them. All was fine and dandy and the idea was sold. Now I fear people off the street have come in and taken the seats in the section I wanted. If this has happened, I am going to be royally pissed. I can't justify the super expensive seats. I need the cheapest club seats I can get, and fear those will be the first to go.
The process is I have to send in a transfer request by April 1st, and only accounts which have made payments will be considered for relocation. My fear is if I keep following the process, some eggbert is going to tell me there are no tickets available in the club because a bunch of people off the street just came in and bought them.
I am beginning to think I might just need to call the ticket office and buy the club seats and simply not renew my old ones. But that pisses me off as well. As I said, I expected to die with the seats and that would be that. I didn't expect to simply hand over $3000. Again, it isn't so much the money, but rather the idea of doing so that irritates me.
But, I might as well. This move for no PSL's pretty much removes any chance of ever selling them unless you hold what I consider a premium seat. Mine would be borderline at best....row 19 uppers, 45 yard line. Good seats, but not so good people would be willing to pay much when they can get seats for free in other locations.
Anyway, what do you guys think?
I haven't seen the story yet, but if they are declaring that you no longer need a PSL, but if you already have one it now has zero value ... this sounds like real trouble.
I think PSLs are stupid, but you can't sell them to people for 13 years and then tell them they are worthless.
Sounds like a class-action lawsuit and bad, bad, fan relations if this is true the way I am hearing it.
Zombo
Zombo said:
I haven't seen the story yet, but if they are declaring that you no longer need a PSL, but if you already have one it now has zero value ... this sounds like real trouble.
I think PSLs are stupid, but you can't sell them to people for 13 years and then tell them they are worthless.
Sounds like a class-action lawsuit and bad, bad, fan relations if this is true the way I am hearing it.
Zombo
Here is the copied story.
By: Andy Baskin, newsnet5.com
CLEVELAND - In an effort to increase attendance and benefit new season ticket holders, the Browns will not require personal seat licenses for any new season ticket buyers at FirstEnergy Stadium.
Current PSL owners who have season tickets will still hold on to all PSL benefits, according to the Browns.
The Browns season ticket prices will remain flat for the 2013 home schedule. This marks the fifth straight year in which the price of Browns season tickets has not increased, representing the second-longest current streak in the NFL.
In addition, with the current pricing structure, the average cost of a Browns ticket is the second least expensive in the NFL. Since the opening of FirstEnergy Stadium in 1999, there have been select sections which did not require a PSL for season ticket purchases. Now, all this will be expanded to all locations in which season tickets are still available.
The Browns will be sending renewal notices for current season ticket holders starting this week, via both email and home delivery.
In a release from the Browns, CEO Joe Banner said, “Our fans have exhibited tremendous loyalty over the years and we want to continue to reward that loyalty through affordability and by putting a team on the field of which they can be proud.” Banner added, “To maintain that affordability, it was important that we keep the status quo on ticket prices for the fifth consecutive year and also extend the sections of the stadium that do not require a PSL.”
“This year we are going to work on improving all aspects of our game day experience, including cellphone service, which will undergo a significant upgrade starting in 2013,” Browns President Alec Scheiner added. “We hope to create an environment that will be enjoyable for all of our fans and difficult for our opponents. We are fully committed to having a team that will be successful on a consistent basis, and providing our fans with a compelling game day experience."
As a benefit, only existing PSL holders will have an opportunity to purchase additional season tickets without a PSL fee but with full PSL benefits (e.g., ownership) for any additional seat that they buy. PSL account holders can take advantage of this for any number of seats not to exceed their current allotment of season tickets. They will have the option of doing this within an exclusive window, which will run through April 1.
Just a FYI, there is no lawsuit to claim here. I don't have the PSL agreement in front of me but there is verbage that there is no implied value to the PSl's other than granting rights to buying the seats each year.
I understand the business decision behind the move. No doubt it is easier to sell season packages without the added cost of a PSL, but for the 30-40,000 of us who have paid, unless they can somehow show us the value we have over the people who don't have to pay a PSL fee, they are pretty much leaving us here with our dicks in our hand.
JMO
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In the latest news, PSL's will no longer be required to purchase season tickets.
I'd like to hear the feeling of those who currently hold PSL's.
To be honest, I am not totally happy with this. More on principle than the loss of any money that might be involved. As I have it figured, the $3000 I spent on my 2 seats was gone 8-9 years ago and I really never expected to sell my seats. I figured I'd just die and that would be that.
However this past year I decided I wanted Club seats. I contacted my ticket Rep last October and scheduled a tour of the clubs so my wife could see them. All was fine and dandy and the idea was sold. Now I fear people off the street have come in and taken the seats in the section I wanted. If this has happened, I am going to be royally pissed. I can't justify the super expensive seats. I need the cheapest club seats I can get, and fear those will be the first to go.
The process is I have to send in a transfer request by April 1st, and only accounts which have made payments will be considered for relocation. My fear is if I keep following the process, some eggbert is going to tell me there are no tickets available in the club because a bunch of people off the street just came in and bought them.
I am beginning to think I might just need to call the ticket office and buy the club seats and simply not renew my old ones. But that pisses me off as well. As I said, I expected to die with the seats and that would be that. I didn't expect to simply hand over $3000. Again, it isn't so much the money, but rather the idea of doing so that irritates me.
But, I might as well. This move for no PSL's pretty much removes any chance of ever selling them unless you hold what I consider a premium seat. Mine would be borderline at best....row 19 uppers, 45 yard line. Good seats, but not so good people would be willing to pay much when they can get seats for free in other locations.
Anyway, what do you guys think?
In the latest news, PSL's will no longer be required to purchase season tickets.
I'd like to hear the feeling of those who currently hold PSL's.
To be honest, I am not totally happy with this. More on principle than the loss of any money that might be involved. As I have it figured, the $3000 I spent on my 2 seats was gone 8-9 years ago and I really never expected to sell my seats. I figured I'd just die and that would be that.
However this past year I decided I wanted Club seats. I contacted my ticket Rep last October and scheduled a tour of the clubs so my wife could see them. All was fine and dandy and the idea was sold. Now I fear people off the street have come in and taken the seats in the section I wanted. If this has happened, I am going to be royally pissed. I can't justify the super expensive seats. I need the cheapest club seats I can get, and fear those will be the first to go.
The process is I have to send in a transfer request by April 1st, and only accounts which have made payments will be considered for relocation. My fear is if I keep following the process, some eggbert is going to tell me there are no tickets available in the club because a bunch of people off the street just came in and bought them.
I am beginning to think I might just need to call the ticket office and buy the club seats and simply not renew my old ones. But that pisses me off as well. As I said, I expected to die with the seats and that would be that. I didn't expect to simply hand over $3000. Again, it isn't so much the money, but rather the idea of doing so that irritates me.
But, I might as well. This move for no PSL's pretty much removes any chance of ever selling them unless you hold what I consider a premium seat. Mine would be borderline at best....row 19 uppers, 45 yard line. Good seats, but not so good people would be willing to pay much when they can get seats for free in other locations.
Anyway, what do you guys think?
At minimum they should give you PSL holders the first option at buying these premium seats you want before offering them to someone off the streets.
I agree that you need to have a talk with your home boy Jimma.
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In the latest news, PSL's will no longer be required to purchase season tickets.
I'd like to hear the feeling of those who currently hold PSL's.
To be honest, I am not totally happy with this. More on principle than the loss of any money that might be involved. As I have it figured, the $3000 I spent on my 2 seats was gone 8-9 years ago and I really never expected to sell my seats. I figured I'd just die and that would be that.
However this past year I decided I wanted Club seats. I contacted my ticket Rep last October and scheduled a tour of the clubs so my wife could see them. All was fine and dandy and the idea was sold. Now I fear people off the street have come in and taken the seats in the section I wanted. If this has happened, I am going to be royally pissed. I can't justify the super expensive seats. I need the cheapest club seats I can get, and fear those will be the first to go.
The process is I have to send in a transfer request by April 1st, and only accounts which have made payments will be considered for relocation. My fear is if I keep following the process, some eggbert is going to tell me there are no tickets available in the club because a bunch of people off the street just came in and bought them.
I am beginning to think I might just need to call the ticket office and buy the club seats and simply not renew my old ones. But that pisses me off as well. As I said, I expected to die with the seats and that would be that. I didn't expect to simply hand over $3000. Again, it isn't so much the money, but rather the idea of doing so that irritates me.
But, I might as well. This move for no PSL's pretty much removes any chance of ever selling them unless you hold what I consider a premium seat. Mine would be borderline at best....row 19 uppers, 45 yard line. Good seats, but not so good people would be willing to pay much when they can get seats for free in other locations.
Anyway, what do you guys think?
At minimum they should give you PSL holders the first option at buying these premium seats you want before offering them to someone off the streets.
I agree that you need to have a talk with your home boy Jimma.
At minimum they should give you PSL holders the first option at buying these premium seats you want before offering them to someone off the streets.
I agree that you need to have a talk with your home boy Jimma.
Exactly- if you have tenure as a current PSL holder- there's no way in hell they should let someone come off the street and "jump the line" for a more desirable section. (Incidentally MHO is- outside of the Club Level, it's lower deck inside the 25 yard lines, higher than row 10) The PSL holders should get first shot on those seats, not some Johnny Come lately.
I'll be on speed dial with the guy who's our "PSL holder of record" and have him have a chat with his "personal representative" yes you have one- in the Browns ticket office.
'Peen, I'd call the customer service rep and give them a piece of your mind- I have a suspicion the phone lines are going to be jammed with some current PSL holders who are mighty unhappy by this turn of events.
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Don't have a psl but if i did these changes would make me livid and i'd be on the phone to Berea:
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In the latest news, PSL's will no longer be required to purchase season tickets.
I'd like to hear the feeling of those who currently hold PSL's.
To be honest, I am not totally happy with this. More on principle than the loss of any money that might be involved. As I have it figured, the $3000 I spent on my 2 seats was gone 8-9 years ago and I really never expected to sell my seats. I figured I'd just die and that would be that.
However this past year I decided I wanted Club seats. I contacted my ticket Rep last October and scheduled a tour of the clubs so my wife could see them. All was fine and dandy and the idea was sold. Now I fear people off the street have come in and taken the seats in the section I wanted. If this has happened, I am going to be royally pissed. I can't justify the super expensive seats. I need the cheapest club seats I can get, and fear those will be the first to go.
The process is I have to send in a transfer request by April 1st, and only accounts which have made payments will be considered for relocation. My fear is if I keep following the process, some eggbert is going to tell me there are no tickets available in the club because a bunch of people off the street just came in and bought them.
I am beginning to think I might just need to call the ticket office and buy the club seats and simply not renew my old ones. But that pisses me off as well. As I said, I expected to die with the seats and that would be that. I didn't expect to simply hand over $3000. Again, it isn't so much the money, but rather the idea of doing so that irritates me.
But, I might as well. This move for no PSL's pretty much removes any chance of ever selling them unless you hold what I consider a premium seat. Mine would be borderline at best....row 19 uppers, 45 yard line. Good seats, but not so good people would be willing to pay much when they can get seats for free in other locations.
Anyway, what do you guys think?
At minimum they should give you PSL holders the first option at buying these premium seats you want before offering them to someone off the streets.
I agree that you need to have a talk with your home boy Jimma.
At minimum they should give you PSL holders the first option at buying these premium seats you want before offering them to someone off the streets.
I agree that you need to have a talk with your home boy Jimma.
I'd be unbelievably surprised if they didn't do this. That would be awful business practice and I feel confident Haslam is too smart for that. I can't say it doesn't suck though that many spent money on PSL's.
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If you want to reward my loyalty reward it by giving me full rights to my seats and refunding my PSL money.
How is it right to keep my money and then let new people come in and buy season tickets and then buy them again next year? How are they not retaining their seats. Can I put in for moving my seat location up since I have had a PSL for years and they will bump them out and give me their better seat?
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Ballpeen be rich.
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This whole issue and the way it has been handled by The Browns is piss poor imo.
Very Poor PR Job Jimmy
For an organization that (Granted in the past) sent out e-mails to season tickets holders
everytime/anytime Mike Holmgren had a brilliant idea, or Pat Shurmur held a so called press conference or when
they opened a new club selling pregame meals.
But this current business regime can't even notify their season ticket holder base via twitter,by e-mail
or any other reasonable accepted outlet that there PSL's have become valued slightly higher than an Enron
stock offering.
Yes we know renewals go out in a week or so.
So now we can get more season tickets added to our accounts and get them psl protected....
Honestly I can't find folks who want to go to games now as it is, much less add more tickets to the bonfire.
But maybe we will get those pins in the mail again or maybe the Little Orange Seat
At least we got that going for us.
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FWIW, this sounds more reasonable, no PSLs for the nosebleeds that have been pretty darn empty the last couple of years.
"Well, after writing the above I checked the Browns website before sending this email. Rumors about dropping PSLs turn out to be ridiculous, as i assumed. What they're trying to do is to sell more of the crappy unsold seats, and u probably know that most of our games and those of other bad NFL teams, have not been truly sold out the past couple seasons. So the Browns point out that there have always been some seats (think dog pound) that haven't required a PSL, and they're just expanding that to some other sections of unsold seats. They also say that current season ticket holders will have 1st shot at buying "additional" season tickets designated for non-PSL before the general public. They also say for current season ticket holders these additional tickets will still carry the advantages as if they were bought with a PSL, but i don't know what that means because i can't think of any advantage (unless the non-PSL seats like the pound are not renewable or maybe not associated with upgrade seniority).
So u might share that info with your board."
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I understand that, but I think it goes beyond the nosebleeds. People can buy in to any section that has unsold seats...that is what a ticket rep told me yesterday morning when I called.
As John said, the way this was released and communicated was pretty poor.
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I understand that, but I think it goes beyond the nosebleeds. People can buy in to any section that has unsold seats...that is what a ticket rep told me yesterday morning when I called.
As John said, the way this was released and communicated was pretty poor.
I understand that, but I think it goes beyond the nosebleeds. People can buy in to any section that has unsold seats...that is what a ticket rep told me yesterday morning when I called.
As John said, the way this was released and communicated was pretty poor.
I called in yesterday as well and Peen is right. I was told that somebody off the street can buy season tickets with no PSL's and can get located closer in than I am at now. We will however be given the option to move our seats closer before ANY tickets are sold to the general public. However when new people buy tickets as long as they renew every year they keep their same seats.
So in essence you are being "forced" to move your seats forward this year. If everybody does so then we will all have better seats than those people who are just now buying in. However if for whatever reason people do not relocate their seats this year their will indeed be people off the streets with better seats than we currently have. So I asked the guy. So if that happens and two years from now I want to move my seat forward and you have somebody closer who never paid for a PSL do I get their seat since I did and I have been a season ticket holder longer? He couldn't answer.
Tickets are in my brothers name so he will be calling our rep and shaking her down so I will let you all know what we end up getting to compensate us for the screwing we are all getting. That way you can call and try to get some kind of compensation as well.
Maybe the new owner would prefer if we quit buying tickets and we didn't sell out games. Maybe that is what we should do? I will tell you that I think this is worse than Modell moving the team. Haslam is screwing people for absolutely no reason. If you want to drop PSL's then give me my damn PSL money back you thief.
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I understand that, but I think it goes beyond the nosebleeds. People can buy in to any section that has unsold seats...that is what a ticket rep told me yesterday morning when I called.
As John said, the way this was released and communicated was pretty poor.
I called in yesterday as well and Peen is right. I was told that somebody off the street can buy season tickets with no PSL's and can get located closer in than I am at now. We will however be given the option to move our seats closer before ANY tickets are sold to the general public. However when new people buy tickets as long as they renew every year they keep their same seats.
So in essence you are being "forced" to move your seats forward this year. If everybody does so then we will all have better seats than those people who are just now buying in. However if for whatever reason people do not relocate their seats this year their will indeed be people off the streets with better seats than we currently have. So I asked the guy. So if that happens and two years from now I want to move my seat forward and you have somebody closer who never paid for a PSL do I get their seat since I did and I have been a season ticket holder longer? He couldn't answer.
Tickets are in my brothers name so he will be calling our rep and shaking her down so I will let you all know what we end up getting to compensate us for the screwing we are all getting. That way you can call and try to get some kind of compensation as well.
Maybe the new owner would prefer if we quit buying tickets and we didn't sell out games. Maybe that is what we should do? I will tell you that I think this is worse than Modell moving the team. Haslam is screwing people for absolutely no reason. If you want to drop PSL's then give me my damn PSL money back you thief.
I called in yesterday as well and Peen is right. I was told that somebody off the street can buy season tickets with no PSL's and can get located closer in than I am at now. We will however be given the option to move our seats closer before ANY tickets are sold to the general public. However when new people buy tickets as long as they renew every year they keep their same seats.
So in essence you are being "forced" to move your seats forward this year. If everybody does so then we will all have better seats than those people who are just now buying in. However if for whatever reason people do not relocate their seats this year their will indeed be people off the streets with better seats than we currently have. So I asked the guy. So if that happens and two years from now I want to move my seat forward and you have somebody closer who never paid for a PSL do I get their seat since I did and I have been a season ticket holder longer? He couldn't answer.
Tickets are in my brothers name so he will be calling our rep and shaking her down so I will let you all know what we end up getting to compensate us for the screwing we are all getting. That way you can call and try to get some kind of compensation as well.
Maybe the new owner would prefer if we quit buying tickets and we didn't sell out games. Maybe that is what we should do? I will tell you that I think this is worse than Modell moving the team. Haslam is screwing people for absolutely no reason. If you want to drop PSL's then give me my damn PSL money back you thief.
The way I have seen the PSL's was an initial non refundable deposit for the priveledge of being a season ticket holder. Surely you guys bought these seats in locations you wanted at the time or ones you at least could afford. I am seeing this as a pre cursor to the Browns raising the costs of all ticket prices dramtically from 2014 onwards. Getting rid of the PSL payments is one way of easing the displeasure that might come when ticket prices start going up in coming seasons. We have done well over the last few years with the cost of tickets, being in the bottom 4 or 5 teams for prices. so as much as it sucks to have forked out good money a few years ago for your PSL's, If you want the better seats then seems need to jump at the chance now to have better chance of getting them. PSL's could be reasons why some fans never bothered in the past to buy season tickets, so saying people coming off the street to grab the best tickets is maybe a bit much. I dont know the major ins and outs of how the Browns offered up previous better seats, but hopefully there will still be some incentives for existing season ticket holders.
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I called in yesterday as well and Peen is right. I was told that somebody off the street can buy season tickets with no PSL's and can get located closer in than I am at now. We will however be given the option to move our seats closer before ANY tickets are sold to the general public. However when new people buy tickets as long as they renew every year they keep their same seats.
So in essence you are being "forced" to move your seats forward this year. If everybody does so then we will all have better seats than those people who are just now buying in. However if for whatever reason people do not relocate their seats this year their will indeed be people off the streets with better seats than we currently have. So I asked the guy. So if that happens and two years from now I want to move my seat forward and you have somebody closer who never paid for a PSL do I get their seat since I did and I have been a season ticket holder longer? He couldn't answer.
Tickets are in my brothers name so he will be calling our rep and shaking her down so I will let you all know what we end up getting to compensate us for the screwing we are all getting. That way you can call and try to get some kind of compensation as well.
Maybe the new owner would prefer if we quit buying tickets and we didn't sell out games. Maybe that is what we should do? I will tell you that I think this is worse than Modell moving the team. Haslam is screwing people for absolutely no reason. If you want to drop PSL's then give me my damn PSL money back you thief.
The way I have seen the PSL's was an initial non refundable deposit for the priveledge of being a season ticket holder. Surely you guys bought these seats in locations you wanted at the time or ones you at least could afford. I am seeing this as a pre cursor to the Browns raising the costs of all ticket prices dramtically from 2014 onwards. Getting rid of the PSL payments is one way of easing the displeasure that might come when ticket prices start going up in coming seasons. We have done well over the last few years with the cost of tickets, being in the bottom 4 or 5 teams for prices. so as much as it sucks to have forked out good money a few years ago for your PSL's, If you want the better seats then seems need to jump at the chance now to have better chance of getting them. PSL's could be reasons why some fans never bothered in the past to buy season tickets, so saying people coming off the street to grab the best tickets is maybe a bit much. I dont know the major ins and outs of how the Browns offered up previous better seats, but hopefully there will still be some incentives for existing season ticket holders.
The way I have seen the PSL's was an initial non refundable deposit for the priveledge of being a season ticket holder. Surely you guys bought these seats in locations you wanted at the time or ones you at least could afford. I am seeing this as a pre cursor to the Browns raising the costs of all ticket prices dramtically from 2014 onwards. Getting rid of the PSL payments is one way of easing the displeasure that might come when ticket prices start going up in coming seasons. We have done well over the last few years with the cost of tickets, being in the bottom 4 or 5 teams for prices. so as much as it sucks to have forked out good money a few years ago for your PSL's, If you want the better seats then seems need to jump at the chance now to have better chance of getting them. PSL's could be reasons why some fans never bothered in the past to buy season tickets, so saying people coming off the street to grab the best tickets is maybe a bit much. I dont know the major ins and outs of how the Browns offered up previous better seats, but hopefully there will still be some incentives for existing season ticket holders.
It wasn't exactly like that Keith. On the initial offering, you could specify upper or lower deck, (or club) and put a number on how much you wanted to spend per seat. You had 3 choices. If you were serious about it, of course you went for the top $$ seats- the ticket office then doled them out on basis of seniority, and BTW, not the way I would have done it. As you'll see later on, they thought last row on the 50 upper deck was better than first five rows on the 10- absolutely not the case.
I just e-mailed the guy I hold my PSLs with- IF in the unlikely event we can move into the "premo" sections- that would be 107-110 or 131-135 it will save us some money. Outside of Club level, those sections had the highest initial buy in cost. Incidentally- when the PSLs first went on sale, you needed 30+ years of seniority to have a shot at them. LOL, Don's 17 years literally got him last row in the upper deck on the 50, we've moved down since. We're currently in 111, and that's with 32 years of seniority, at least we shouldn't have to pay the upcharge in PSL prices upgrading- which would have been a couple thousand dollars IIRC. To my mind, the initial fee wasn't that bad- it cost me $500 a year for three years to buy in with Don.
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I called in yesterday as well and Peen is right. I was told that somebody off the street can buy season tickets with no PSL's and can get located closer in than I am at now. We will however be given the option to move our seats closer before ANY tickets are sold to the general public. However when new people buy tickets as long as they renew every year they keep their same seats.
So in essence you are being "forced" to move your seats forward this year. If everybody does so then we will all have better seats than those people who are just now buying in. However if for whatever reason people do not relocate their seats this year their will indeed be people off the streets with better seats than we currently have. So I asked the guy. So if that happens and two years from now I want to move my seat forward and you have somebody closer who never paid for a PSL do I get their seat since I did and I have been a season ticket holder longer? He couldn't answer.
Tickets are in my brothers name so he will be calling our rep and shaking her down so I will let you all know what we end up getting to compensate us for the screwing we are all getting. That way you can call and try to get some kind of compensation as well.
Maybe the new owner would prefer if we quit buying tickets and we didn't sell out games. Maybe that is what we should do? I will tell you that I think this is worse than Modell moving the team. Haslam is screwing people for absolutely no reason. If you want to drop PSL's then give me my damn PSL money back you thief.
The way I have seen the PSL's was an initial non refundable deposit for the priveledge of being a season ticket holder. Surely you guys bought these seats in locations you wanted at the time or ones you at least could afford. I am seeing this as a pre cursor to the Browns raising the costs of all ticket prices dramtically from 2014 onwards. Getting rid of the PSL payments is one way of easing the displeasure that might come when ticket prices start going up in coming seasons. We have done well over the last few years with the cost of tickets, being in the bottom 4 or 5 teams for prices. so as much as it sucks to have forked out good money a few years ago for your PSL's, If you want the better seats then seems need to jump at the chance now to have better chance of getting them. PSL's could be reasons why some fans never bothered in the past to buy season tickets, so saying people coming off the street to grab the best tickets is maybe a bit much. I dont know the major ins and outs of how the Browns offered up previous better seats, but hopefully there will still be some incentives for existing season ticket holders.
The way I have seen the PSL's was an initial non refundable deposit for the priveledge of being a season ticket holder. Surely you guys bought these seats in locations you wanted at the time or ones you at least could afford. I am seeing this as a pre cursor to the Browns raising the costs of all ticket prices dramtically from 2014 onwards. Getting rid of the PSL payments is one way of easing the displeasure that might come when ticket prices start going up in coming seasons. We have done well over the last few years with the cost of tickets, being in the bottom 4 or 5 teams for prices. so as much as it sucks to have forked out good money a few years ago for your PSL's, If you want the better seats then seems need to jump at the chance now to have better chance of getting them. PSL's could be reasons why some fans never bothered in the past to buy season tickets, so saying people coming off the street to grab the best tickets is maybe a bit much. I dont know the major ins and outs of how the Browns offered up previous better seats, but hopefully there will still be some incentives for existing season ticket holders.
I don't think you understand fully that up until this point, PSL's have been a form of currency. You cannot just get what you want. If you wanted seats you got on a waiting list and waiting for years until seats opened up, or you found somebody who would sell you their PSL's. This was generally a better option, because your seats would be in the last 5 rows of the stadium if you got them from the Browns. If you wanted good seats and bought somebody's PSL's the premium could be triple the original PSL price, due to demand for a good seat. So for all of us who spent the money there is no more demand and no way to ever recoup the money spent. And the principle of it is just terrible.
As for your comment about prices. Well yes they are going to go up. The only reason they haven't in 4-5 years isn't because anybody cares about us (evident from this move) but because they can't since the team sucks so bad every year. And then they use that as a selling point like we are all stupid and don't realize it.
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I get what you are all saying but unfortunately this is the side effects of the team being bad. Back when the team came back tickets were in very high demand and PSL's made perfect sense. Now that the Browns have been awful for essentially a decade I doubt there's hoards of people lining up to purchase them. This is just how business goes, when demand is low you have to offer up a cheaper alternative to spurn interest. The golf club near my house used to have a decent waiting list, a one time fee for being a member on top of annual dues and cost an arm and a leg to go to IF you could get a tee time. Since the economy has been in the shitter and tons of people lost work where I live now I can walk on basically any time I want for maybe 60% of the cost. I'm not saying it doesn't suck but that's life sometimes. Everyone who paid for PSL's bought at peak "market" time and now it's at an all time low. I'd still be surprised if they don't offer some sort of deal to PSL owners though.
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In the latest news, PSL's will no longer be required to purchase season tickets.
I'd like to hear the feeling of those who currently hold PSL's.
To be honest, I am not totally happy with this. More on principle than the loss of any money that might be involved. As I have it figured, the $3000 I spent on my 2 seats was gone 8-9 years ago and I really never expected to sell my seats. I figured I'd just die and that would be that.
However this past year I decided I wanted Club seats. I contacted my ticket Rep last October and scheduled a tour of the clubs so my wife could see them. All was fine and dandy and the idea was sold. Now I fear people off the street have come in and taken the seats in the section I wanted. If this has happened, I am going to be royally pissed. I can't justify the super expensive seats. I need the cheapest club seats I can get, and fear those will be the first to go.
The process is I have to send in a transfer request by April 1st, and only accounts which have made payments will be considered for relocation. My fear is if I keep following the process, some eggbert is going to tell me there are no tickets available in the club because a bunch of people off the street just came in and bought them.
I am beginning to think I might just need to call the ticket office and buy the club seats and simply not renew my old ones. But that pisses me off as well. As I said, I expected to die with the seats and that would be that. I didn't expect to simply hand over $3000. Again, it isn't so much the money, but rather the idea of doing so that irritates me.
But, I might as well. This move for no PSL's pretty much removes any chance of ever selling them unless you hold what I consider a premium seat. Mine would be borderline at best....row 19 uppers, 45 yard line. Good seats, but not so good people would be willing to pay much when they can get seats for free in other locations.
Anyway, what do you guys think?
I haven't seen the story yet, but if they are declaring that you no longer need a PSL, but if you already have one it now has zero value ... this sounds like real trouble.
I think PSLs are stupid, but you can't sell them to people for 13 years and then tell them they are worthless.
Sounds like a class-action lawsuit and bad, bad, fan relations if this is true the way I am hearing it.
Zombo
Zombo said:
I haven't seen the story yet, but if they are declaring that you no longer need a PSL, but if you already have one it now has zero value ... this sounds like real trouble.
I think PSLs are stupid, but you can't sell them to people for 13 years and then tell them they are worthless.
Sounds like a class-action lawsuit and bad, bad, fan relations if this is true the way I am hearing it.
Zombo
If my PSL's have zero value, thhe Browns will be hearing from my lawyer
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Zombo said:
I haven't seen the story yet, but if they are declaring that you no longer need a PSL, but if you already have one it now has zero value ... this sounds like real trouble.
I think PSLs are stupid, but you can't sell them to people for 13 years and then tell them they are worthless.
Sounds like a class-action lawsuit and bad, bad, fan relations if this is true the way I am hearing it.
Zombo
If my PSL's have zero value, thhe Browns will be hearing from my lawyer
If my PSL's have zero value, thhe Browns will be hearing from my lawyer
I'm sure they are terrified.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
If my PSL's have zero value, thhe Browns will be hearing from my lawyer
I'm sure they are terrified.
I'm sure they are terrified.
They will be when 20,000 people file a law suit against them
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I just talked to my Ticket rep. and the conversation went as follows:
ME: What's going on with new season ticket buyers NOT having to buy PSL's?
Ticket rep: you will not have to purchase PSL's with 2013 season tickets
ME: I already have season tickets, but now the PSL's I HAD to buy in 1999 are worthless?
Ticket rep: No, they will end up being worth more, we are just not selling them any more, so we are cutting them off, your psls will actually go up in value because we will not be selling any more and you will need PSL seats in order to have the best locations
ME: so if someone who has tickets next to me stops buying them, those seats will not need psl's to be bought by someone else?
Ticket rep: if they were PSL's, someone with a PSL will move to them, through our relocation process. What section do you sit in?
ME: 149
Ticket rep: oh yea, nobody without a PSL will be in the lower level. The lower level has been sold out of PSLs since 1999. The value in your PSL's will go up for sure
ME: what if no one moves to the seats next to me? will they be sold without psl's then?
Ticket rep: yes, but that will not happen
ME: How is my PSL's going to be worth more? I won't be able to sell them to anyone, when they can just buy season tickets without a PSL. Or if someone moves to my seats, they won't have to pay me for the PSL either?
Ticket rep: They will not be able to buy tickets in the lower level
Ticket rep: so anyone who wants to sit in the lower level will have to buy a PSL from our current PSL holders
Then he ended the chat session.
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