Desmond Bryant
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I see us trading one of those guys. My bet is on Taylor. I think we might be able to get a 2 and something else for him.
I see us trading one of those guys. My bet is on Taylor. I think we might be able to get a 2 and something else for him.
I like that option, then pick up a late rounder to fill the spot, work in progress.
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No trading of any current DL. Winn and Hughes are unproven. Taylor/Rubin/Bryant is a good DL group, the D had significant problems shutting down the run last year, and Rubin is still on a reasonable contract for a difference-maker at his position.
Hughes and Winn are both smaller in size than Rubin and Bryant, and neither have played in the 3-4 in the pros.. so we can't say conclusively that both will be good. I want them to succeed, I hope they're great.. but we can't confirm that as of today.
Also: Did the Browns shut down the run on any 3rd and 1 or 4th and 1 last year? I can remember exactly zero times, and everyone in this thread proposes we trade away one of our starting DT's when we have a need to improve our run defense? Bad idea. Yes, Rubin's value is high -- because he is good, and we should keep him for the same reason.
Another problem with the idea of "making a trade" is that there's always the magical fantasy that we will receive equal value in return. That almost never happens. Bill Simmons has a term for it.. the pu-pu platter.
We're always talking about the need to improve at certain positions.. and then, the instant we actually have an unquestionable strength on the team, you want to trade away key reasons why it's a strength? That's insane.
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I actually agree with you, I'd rather us keep all 5 of these guys. That rotation would be disgusting. I'm just not sure how the FO is going to value it. Taylor is worth a 2 and maybe a 4, and it's something that the FO will consider. We can address another need without creating a hole with those picks. Which is more valuable?
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I actually agree with you, I'd rather us keep all 5 of these guys. That rotation would be disgusting. I'm just not sure how the FO is going to value it. Taylor is worth a 2 and maybe a 4, and it's something that the FO will consider. We can address another need without creating a hole with those picks. Which is more valuable?
I actually agree with you, I'd rather us keep all 5 of these guys. That rotation would be disgusting. I'm just not sure how the FO is going to value it. Taylor is worth a 2 and maybe a 4, and it's something that the FO will consider. We can address another need without creating a hole with those picks. Which is more valuable?
We already achieved the value by drafting Rubin in the 5th and he's become nearly an allpro. Obviously Taylor in the first is significantly more athletic than Rubin.
There's zero certainty the picks you make would be as productive as Taylor or Rubin are already.. that's why it's called the pu-pu platter, because you trade away an all-pro and get a bunch of crap in return.
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I actually agree with you, I'd rather us keep all 5 of these guys. That rotation would be disgusting. I'm just not sure how the FO is going to value it. Taylor is worth a 2 and maybe a 4, and it's something that the FO will consider. We can address another need without creating a hole with those picks. Which is more valuable?
We already achieved the value by drafting Rubin in the 5th and he's become nearly an allpro. Obviously Taylor in the first is significantly more athletic than Rubin.
There's zero certainty the picks you make would be as productive as Taylor or Rubin are already.. that's why it's called the pu-pu platter, because you trade away an all-pro and get a bunch of crap in return.
We already achieved the value by drafting Rubin in the 5th and he's become nearly an allpro. Obviously Taylor in the first is significantly more athletic than Rubin.
There's zero certainty the picks you make would be as productive as Taylor or Rubin are already.. that's why it's called the pu-pu platter, because you trade away an all-pro and get a bunch of crap in return.
Rubin was a sixth round pick but it's a good point either way. Keep all of them IMO. It can't hurt to have 5 guys that can essentially rotate and play all 3 positions. They all may not be an ideal nose tackle or 3-4 DE but they are all capable of rotating through both positions for a series or set of downs. Rubin at NT and Bryant and Taylor starting at ends and you have a solid core.
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This rotation is going to be sick ,This may be a little odd but, He only missed one game in the last 4 years and I think that was a flu . One day and we have Instant recognizable strength in the NLF . Now more then ever in the NLF its about rotating players . Keeping them fresh . Excited .
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I see us trading one of those guys. My bet is on Taylor. I think we might be able to get a 2 and something else for him.
I see us trading one of those guys. My bet is on Taylor. I think we might be able to get a 2 and something else for him.
no fucking way.
what we add to subtract?
dumbest thing i've seen you post in a long time. you keep everybody.
now the light is getting a little more precise on how we draft next month.
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Cleveland Browns: The Browns underwent a complete overhaul this offseason, changing general managers (out with Tom Heckert, in with Michael Lombardi) and head coaches (out with Pat Shurmur, in with Rob Chudzinski). The Browns are also changing defensive schemes, going back to a 3-4 under Ray Horton, a top head coaching candidate for orchestrating a Cardinals defense that was among the top units in the NFL despite receiving little to no help from their offense. Lombardi spent big on the front seven, signing outside linebacker Paul Kruger to a five-year contract worth just over $40 million, a move that would soon be followed up by the arrival of defensive lineman Desmond Bryant, who agreed to a five-year deal worth $34 million. Between Kruger, who had nine sacks in 2012, and Bryant, a valuable starter for the Oakland Raiders, the Browns beefed up an already promising front seven that includes Phil Taylor, Ahytba Rubin, Billy Winn, D'Qwell Jackson and Jabaal Sheard.
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Rotation. An injury here and there, and be glad about these two signings. That is a very scary bunch of kick arse defensive players.
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how many players have the same name in the NFL?
desmond bryant...dez bryant?
are they like the cromarties?
wow. it's like going to chinatown and trying to find a guy not named ling dong or johnny lee.
what happened to names like tyrone or willy?
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34 million for a guy with 18 career starts & 11.5 sacks in 4 years just seems like a big overpay to me.
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34 million for a guy with 18 career starts & 11.5 sacks in 4 years just seems like a big overpay to me.
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34 million for a guy with 18 career starts & 11.5 sacks in 4 years just seems like a big overpay to me.
34 million for a guy with 18 career starts & 11.5 sacks in 4 years just seems like a big overpay to me.
Not true.
He had the fourth most QB pressures of all DT's in the NFL last season. He only started 8 games, meaning that he was just a substitute for the other 8, limiting his opportunities.. and yet he still produced.
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
I see us trading one of those guys. My bet is on Taylor. I think we might be able to get a 2 and something else for him.
no fucking way.
what we add to subtract?
dumbest thing i've seen you post in a long time. you keep everybody.
now the light is getting a little more precise on how we draft next month.
no fucking way.
what we add to subtract?
dumbest thing i've seen you post in a long time. you keep everybody.
now the light is getting a little more precise on how we draft next month.
Sorry mik, you're stupid if you think the FO isn't even going to consider trading one of them. Like I said in a later post, I think we should stick with the depth we have, but you're telling me they aren't going to entertain trade offers? Riiiight.
Kindly, take the stick out of your ass and open your eyes the next time you read and respond to something I post.
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no fucking way.
what we add to subtract?
dumbest thing i've seen you post in a long time. you keep everybody.
now the light is getting a little more precise on how we draft next month.
Sorry mik, you're stupid if you think the FO isn't even going to consider trading one of them. Like I said in a later post, I think we should stick with the depth we have, but you're telling me they aren't going to entertain trade offers? Riiiight.
Kindly, take the stick out of your ass and open your eyes the next time you read and respond to something I post.
Sorry mik, you're stupid if you think the FO isn't even going to consider trading one of them. Like I said in a later post, I think we should stick with the depth we have, but you're telling me they aren't going to entertain trade offers? Riiiight.
Take the stick out of your ass and open your eyes the next time you read and respond to something I post.
No, you're living in fantasy land. Just because "we're offering" doesn't mean that offer is going to be good.
Of course every player is always available to be traded. McCoy has been made available for the past 18 months, and the FO has received exactly zero offers for him.
I would never trade Rubin for a sixth or seventh round pick.. and that's as high of an offer as we are going to receive.
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
34 million for a guy with 18 career starts & 11.5 sacks in 4 years just seems like a big overpay to me.
Not true.
He had the fourth most QB pressures of all DT's in the NFL last season. He only started 8 games, meaning that he was just a substitute for the other 8, limiting his opportunities.. and yet he still produced.
Not true.
He had the fourth most QB pressures of all DT's in the NFL last season. He only started 8 games, meaning that he was just a substitute for the other 8, limiting his opportunities.. and yet he still produced.
Could it be he was richard seymore's back up? That could be the reason for the lack of starts, Idk.
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Sorry mik, you're stupid if you think the FO isn't even going to consider trading one of them. Like I said in a later post, I think we should stick with the depth we have, but you're telling me they aren't going to entertain trade offers? Riiiight.
Take the stick out of your ass and open your eyes the next time you read and respond to something I post.
No, you're living in fantasy land. Just because "we're offering" doesn't mean that offer is going to be good.
Of course every player is always available to be traded. McCoy has been made available for the past 18 months, and the FO has received exactly zero offers for him.
I would never trade Rubin for a sixth or seventh round pick.. and that's as high of an offer as we are going to receive.
No, you're living in fantasy land. Just because "we're offering" doesn't mean that offer is going to be good.
Of course every player is always available to be traded. McCoy has been made available for the past 18 months, and the FO has received exactly zero offers for him.
I would never trade Rubin for a sixth or seventh round pick.. and that's as high of an offer as we are going to receive.
No, this isn't fantasy land at all. The front office is going to entertain trade offers. Rubin is one of the league's top defensive linemen and he's only 26. He demands at least a 2nd or 3rd rounder and change.
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If we could somehow manage a 2nd out if Rubin, I wouldn't mind it at all.
But nobody is hurting bad enough at DT to offer a second for a 6th round draft pick.
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Still don't know why people want to trade starters.
We just filled a hole, now they want to create one?
Zombo
Zombo said:
Still don't know why people want to trade starters.
We just filled a hole, now they want to create one?
Zombo
If it means getting a second round pick out of it, then yes.
There are many offensive players predicted to go in the second that can really help our team.
But really I'm just thinking about EJ Manuel.
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