Desmond Bryant
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Ok, 6th round draft pick Billy Winn, 6'4 295 lbs with 26 career tackles is going to be a starting 3-4 defensive end for us and we are going to trade a proven commodity like Rubin to open up a spot for him.
Zombo
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Ok, 6th round draft pick Billy Winn, 6'4 295 lbs with 26 career tackles is going to be a starting 3-4 defensive end for us and we are going to trade a proven commodity like Rubin to open up a spot for him.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Ok, 6th round draft pick Billy Winn, 6'4 295 lbs with 26 career tackles is going to be a starting 3-4 defensive end for us and we are going to trade a proven commodity like Rubin to open up a spot for him.
Zombo
We might. His numbers aren't bad for the time that he saw and considering the fact that Taylor and Rubin were ahead of him on the depth chart. Both he and Hughes, imo have the potential to be starter quality players, and they will be if they keep playing as well as they did this year. If we do happen to retain everyone, I think we're going to have to trade one of them away in the future before they walk to start somewhere else.
Again, I'm not saying we should do it. I'd much rather us keep this talent and just wear down opposing O-lines. Regardless, the Browns are going to listen to whatever offers they might get (and I guarantee that someone will be showing interest in at least one of these guys).
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Ok, 6th round draft pick Billy Winn, 6'4 295 lbs with 26 career tackles is going to be a starting 3-4 defensive end for us and we are going to trade a proven commodity like Rubin to open up a spot for him.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Ok, 6th round draft pick Billy Winn, 6'4 295 lbs with 26 career tackles is going to be a starting 3-4 defensive end for us and we are going to trade a proven commodity like Rubin to open up a spot for him.
Zombo
It's things like this that make you realized how stupid some of the people on this board are. Everyone thinks every years 7th round pick is going to be the next HoFer.
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Taylor, Rubin, Bryant, Winn, Hughes... That's a lot of talent for our front 3. Word is Rubin may be expendable now, but I disagree, even if we draft a true 3-4 DE. These 5 guys make up an excellent DL rotation for a 3-4, in my opinion. Plus, Kruger and/or Sheard moves up to DE at times. Pretty vicious... on paper
Let's see what else happens... desperately NEED at least one quality CB
Taylor, Rubin, Bryant, Winn, Hughes... That's a lot of talent for our front 3. Word is Rubin may be expendable now, but I disagree, even if we draft a true 3-4 DE. These 5 guys make up an excellent DL rotation for a 3-4, in my opinion. Plus, Kruger and/or Sheard moves up to DE at times. Pretty vicious... on paper
Let's see what else happens... desperately NEED at least one quality CB
I don't see where having 5 guys in a rotation for 3 positions is an "overabundance" of talent. In fact, I still see Sheard at DE, even in the 3-4. That would make 6 players in that rotation. Keep them fresh, keep them nasty.
At LB now we have DQ, Kruger, Groves, Gocong, Fort, Acho, Robertson, JMJ,..and I suppose I am missing someone. That is also a decent rotation of 8 players for the 4 LB spots.
That makes 14 potential players for the defensive front 7 spot. Is that about right for an NFL roster?
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If it means getting a second round pick out of it, then yes.
There are many offensive players predicted to go in the second that can really help our team.
But really I'm just thinking about EJ Manuel.
I guess I'm seeing Bryant, Rubin and Taylor all starting with Winn and Hughes rotating in as depth.
If we trade one of those guys, we've created a weakness.
That article suggests the Browns see all three as interior linemen, I don't think that's how the Browns see it.
Zombo
Zombo said:
I guess I'm seeing Bryant, Rubin and Taylor all starting with Winn and Hughes rotating in as depth.
If we trade one of those guys, we've created a weakness.
That article suggests the Browns see all three as interior linemen, I don't think that's how the Browns see it.
Zombo
I agree with Zombo. Why fill a hole then just open a new one. Why turn a strength into a potential weakness.
Give me that 5-6 man rotation and let them play fresh and play mean.
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Taylor, Rubin, Bryant, Winn, Hughes... That's a lot of talent for our front 3. Word is Rubin may be expendable now, but I disagree, even if we draft a true 3-4 DE. These 5 guys make up an excellent DL rotation for a 3-4, in my opinion. Plus, Kruger and/or Sheard moves up to DE at times. Pretty vicious... on paper
Let's see what else happens... desperately NEED at least one quality CB
I don't see where having 5 guys in a rotation for 3 positions is an "overabundance" of talent. In fact, I still see Sheard at DE, even in the 3-4. That would make 6 players in that rotation. Keep them fresh, keep them nasty.
At LB now we have DQ, Kruger, Groves, Gocong, Fort, Acho, Robertson, JMJ,..and I suppose I am missing someone. That is also a decent rotation of 8 players for the 4 LB spots.
That makes 14 potential players for the defensive front 7 spot. Is that about right for an NFL roster?
I don't see where having 5 guys in a rotation for 3 positions is an "overabundance" of talent. In fact, I still see Sheard at DE, even in the 3-4. That would make 6 players in that rotation. Keep them fresh, keep them nasty.
At LB now we have DQ, Kruger, Groves, Gocong, Fort, Acho, Robertson, JMJ,..and I suppose I am missing someone. That is also a decent rotation of 8 players for the 4 LB spots.
That makes 14 potential players for the defensive front 7 spot. Is that about right for an NFL roster?
How do you see the 250 lb Sheard at DE while the 280 lb Kruger is at OLB? I think both of these players will be moved back and forth between DE and OLB, but their position the majority of the time will be OLB.
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I don't see where having 5 guys in a rotation for 3 positions is an "overabundance" of talent. In fact, I still see Sheard at DE, even in the 3-4. That would make 6 players in that rotation. Keep them fresh, keep them nasty.
At LB now we have DQ, Kruger, Groves, Gocong, Fort, Acho, Robertson, JMJ,..and I suppose I am missing someone. That is also a decent rotation of 8 players for the 4 LB spots.
That makes 14 potential players for the defensive front 7 spot. Is that about right for an NFL roster?
How do you see the 250 lb Sheard at DE while the 280 lb Kruger is at OLB? I think both of these players will be moved back and forth between DE and OLB, but their position the majority of the time will be OLB.
How do you see the 250 lb Sheard at DE while the 280 lb Kruger is at OLB? I think both of these players will be moved back and forth between DE and OLB, but their position the majority of the time will be OLB.
Maybe. All I know is that heretofore Sheard has been a DE. He doesn't seem like a LB to me.
So, as far as I am concerned, these guys are all interchangeable somewhat.
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How do you see the 250 lb Sheard at DE while the 280 lb Kruger is at OLB? I think both of these players will be moved back and forth between DE and OLB, but their position the majority of the time will be OLB.
Maybe. All I know is that heretofore Sheard has been a DE. He doesn't seem like a LB to me.
So, as far as I am concerned, these guys are all interchangeable somewhat.
Maybe. All I know is that heretofore Sheard has been a DE. He doesn't seem like a LB to me.
So, as far as I am concerned, these guys are all interchangeable somewhat.
If Sheard can't make the switch to OLB then they will trade him. They have no use for a 4-3 DE.
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Zombo said:
I guess I'm seeing Bryant, Rubin and Taylor all starting with Winn and Hughes rotating in as depth.
If we trade one of those guys, we've created a weakness.
That article suggests the Browns see all three as interior linemen, I don't think that's how the Browns see it.
Zombo
I agree with Zombo. Why fill a hole then just open a new one. Why turn a strength into a potential weakness.
Give me that 5-6 man rotation and let them play fresh and play mean.
I agree with Zombo. Why fill a hole then just open a new one. Why turn a strength into a potential weakness.
Give me that 5-6 man rotation and let them play fresh and play mean.
Because Lombardi might think there's a more valuable prospect in the 2nd round. What we lose in depth might be outweighed by an impact starter elsewhere. No one other than TCPO is suggesting this is what we do; I'm simply stating it as a possibility.
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Most teams don't employ a backup for every DL position in order to free up a roster spot. That's where utility players come in handy.Same goes for offensive linemen.
I'm not asking that we do that, but it would make sense. Name any other 3-4 team that's been this deep at DL with solid quality players. It's a waste of talent to a certain extent.
If we could turn Rubin into a good player at another position of need as well as a depth player, it makes sense. You bolster your roster with talent any way you can.
He'd be more valuable to us as a rookie OG that plays every snap than as a 28 year old DT that plays 60-75% of the snaps.
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Most teams don't employ a backup for every DL position in order to free up a roster spot. That's where utility players come in handy.Same goes for offensive linemen.
I'm not asking that we do that, but it would make sense. Name any other 3-4 team that's been this deep at DL with solid quality players. It's a waste of talent to a certain extent.
If we could turn Rubin into a good player at another position of need as well as a depth player, it makes sense. You bolster your roster with talent any way you can.
He'd be more valuable to us as a rookie OG that plays every snap than as a 28 year old DT that plays 60-75% of the snaps.
Most teams don't employ a backup for every DL position in order to free up a roster spot. That's where utility players come in handy.Same goes for offensive linemen.
I'm not asking that we do that, but it would make sense. Name any other 3-4 team that's been this deep at DL with solid quality players. It's a waste of talent to a certain extent.
If we could turn Rubin into a good player at another position of need as well as a depth player, it makes sense. You bolster your roster with talent any way you can.
He'd be more valuable to us as a rookie OG that plays every snap than as a 28 year old DT that plays 60-75% of the snaps.
If you are saying that Phil Taylor does not fit as a 3-4 end and that him and Rubin and Hughes are going to play the same position, then what you say makes sense.
But I think you have an over-inflated opinion of 6th rounder Winn as a starting 3-4 end.
Zombo
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Maybe. All I know is that heretofore Sheard has been a DE. He doesn't seem like a LB to me.
So, as far as I am concerned, these guys are all interchangeable somewhat.
If Sheard can't make the switch to OLB then they will trade him. They have no use for a 4-3 DE.
If Sheard can't make the switch to OLB then they will trade him. They have no use for a 4-3 DE.
You make a good point Im having trouble finding his strong suit right now.
"Will" is out to slow
"Sam" Im not sure how he will do covering TE's??
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I don't see where having 5 guys in a rotation for 3 positions is an "overabundance" of talent. In fact, I still see Sheard at DE, even in the 3-4. That would make 6 players in that rotation. Keep them fresh, keep them nasty.
At LB now we have DQ, Kruger, Groves, Gocong, Fort, Acho, Robertson, JMJ,..and I suppose I am missing someone. That is also a decent rotation of 8 players for the 4 LB spots.
That makes 14 potential players for the defensive front 7 spot. Is that about right for an NFL roster?
How do you see the 250 lb Sheard at DE while the 280 lb Kruger is at OLB? I think both of these players will be moved back and forth between DE and OLB, but their position the majority of the time will be OLB.
How do you see the 250 lb Sheard at DE while the 280 lb Kruger is at OLB? I think both of these players will be moved back and forth between DE and OLB, but their position the majority of the time will be OLB.
Yeah, guys don't realize on a lot of plays a 3-4 is in actuality a 5-2 defense.
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If Sheard can't make the switch to OLB then they will trade him. They have no use for a 4-3 DE.
You make a good point Im having trouble finding his strong suit right now.
"Will" is out to slow
"Sam" Im not sure how he will do covering TE's??
You make a good point Im having trouble finding his strong suit right now.
"Will" is out to slow
"Sam" Im not sure how he will do covering TE's??
He's plenty fast and athletic, he had plenty of teams looking at him as a 3-4 OLB in the draft. What I AM saying is that he WILL NOT play 3-4 DE. I'm not saying he will or will not make the transition to 3-4 OLB, but I am saying they will try before ever trying to trade/release him. I don't feel Groves will come in and upseat him as a starter, I'll say that much in certainty.
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Most teams don't employ a backup for every DL position in order to free up a roster spot. That's where utility players come in handy.Same goes for offensive linemen.
I'm not asking that we do that, but it would make sense. Name any other 3-4 team that's been this deep at DL with solid quality players. It's a waste of talent to a certain extent.
If we could turn Rubin into a good player at another position of need as well as a depth player, it makes sense. You bolster your roster with talent any way you can.
He'd be more valuable to us as a rookie OG that plays every snap than as a 28 year old DT that plays 60-75% of the snaps.
Most teams don't employ a backup for every DL position in order to free up a roster spot. That's where utility players come in handy.Same goes for offensive linemen.
I'm not asking that we do that, but it would make sense. Name any other 3-4 team that's been this deep at DL with solid quality players. It's a waste of talent to a certain extent.
If we could turn Rubin into a good player at another position of need as well as a depth player, it makes sense. You bolster your roster with talent any way you can.
He'd be more valuable to us as a rookie OG that plays every snap than as a 28 year old DT that plays 60-75% of the snaps.
And you're thinking injuries don't happen either. Taylor was out 1\2 the season last year, remember? So who plays nose in that case? Rubin. Cripe, we finally have quality depth at a position, and you guys want to trade it away.
Incidentally with all these defensive pickups, it wouldn't be out of the question to draft Warmack with our #1, assuming there isn't a CB there we don't love.
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I don't mind the move if they plan to keep everyone but if they end up trading Taylor or Rubin , which is a possibility then I'd be disappointed.
Still think they overpaid, he's a 2013 Frosty Rucker with more promising numbers for half a season.
Like the size could see him at left end,Rubin on the nose Taylor at DT.. Winn and Hughes rotating.
Wasn't expecting a DL but hopefully it's one of our strengths again next season.
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Most teams don't employ a backup for every DL position in order to free up a roster spot. That's where utility players come in handy.Same goes for offensive linemen.
I'm not asking that we do that, but it would make sense. Name any other 3-4 team that's been this deep at DL with solid quality players. It's a waste of talent to a certain extent.
If we could turn Rubin into a good player at another position of need as well as a depth player, it makes sense. You bolster your roster with talent any way you can.
He'd be more valuable to us as a rookie OG that plays every snap than as a 28 year old DT that plays 60-75% of the snaps.
Most teams don't employ a backup for every DL position in order to free up a roster spot. That's where utility players come in handy.Same goes for offensive linemen.
I'm not asking that we do that, but it would make sense. Name any other 3-4 team that's been this deep at DL with solid quality players. It's a waste of talent to a certain extent.
If we could turn Rubin into a good player at another position of need as well as a depth player, it makes sense. You bolster your roster with talent any way you can.
He'd be more valuable to us as a rookie OG that plays every snap than as a 28 year old DT that plays 60-75% of the snaps.
Sorry, but to me it sounds Retarded to weaken your team just when you have tried to strengthen it. Besides....these guys need to be football players. They can't be giving us this horseshit that "I can't play the 3-4, I can only play in the 4-3" or vice versa. Play football...tackle some sumbitch on the other team.
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You make a good point Im having trouble finding his strong suit right now.
"Will" is out to slow
"Sam" Im not sure how he will do covering TE's??
He's plenty fast and athletic, he had plenty of teams looking at him as a 3-4 OLB in the draft. What I AM saying is that he WILL NOT play 3-4 DE. I'm not saying he will or will not make the transition to 3-4 OLB, but I am saying they will try before ever trying to trade/release him. I don't feel Groves will come in and upseat him as a starter, I'll say that much in certainty.
He's plenty fast and athletic, he had plenty of teams looking at him as a 3-4 OLB in the draft. What I AM saying is that he WILL NOT play 3-4 DE. I'm not saying he will or will not make the transition to 3-4 OLB, but I am saying they will try before ever trying to trade/release him. I don't feel Groves will come in and upseat him as a starter, I'll say that much in certainty.
Ok the reason im saying that I dont know where he fits is he has never been in the olb role. His job has been put a hand down and run at the qb.
I agree he is athletic and that is why I think you are assuming that he will be great in pass protection/coverage. His biggest knock on him was that he is above avg. In run stopping, and his unknown coverage skills and instincts. We will see. Maybe some of the questions will be answered at the presser in Cleveland today.
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Most teams don't employ a backup for every DL position in order to free up a roster spot. That's where utility players come in handy.Same goes for offensive linemen.
I'm not asking that we do that, but it would make sense. Name any other 3-4 team that's been this deep at DL with solid quality players. It's a waste of talent to a certain extent.
If we could turn Rubin into a good player at another position of need as well as a depth player, it makes sense. You bolster your roster with talent any way you can.
He'd be more valuable to us as a rookie OG that plays every snap than as a 28 year old DT that plays 60-75% of the snaps.
Sorry, but to me it sounds Retarded to weaken your team just when you have tried to strengthen it. Besides....these guys need to be football players. They can't be giving us this horseshit that "I can't play the 3-4, I can only play in the 4-3" or vice versa. Play football...tackle some sumbitch on the other team.
Sorry, but to me it sounds Retarded to weaken your team just when you have tried to strengthen it. Besides....these guys need to be football players. They can't be giving us this horseshit that "I can't play the 3-4, I can only play in the 4-3" or vice versa. Play football...tackle some sumbitch on the other team.
And that's why nobody takes your opinion seriously on matters of personnel or philosophies.
The mere fact that you don't understand the difference between a 3-4 OLB and a 4-3 OLB shows me you're not ready.
And taking a surplus player and trading him in hopes to address a period of need is hardly weakening the team. You fail to grasp simple concepts
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