Desmond Bryant
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Oh, I understand that people like you think that the game of football is all nuance and technique and that all the players should be be treated delicately like they were fairy princesses. But I see that as a lot of excuse for failure.
But at its core, I go with Vince Lombardi's credo over yours: "it is all about blocking and tackling." We need football players. Guys that are bigger, stronger, faster than those on the other team. All those nuances can and will be overcome if you have better, smarter football players, and that is whether they play the 4-3 or 3-4 or the 5-3 or the 46 defense.
And I sure the hell disagree that anyone that we have now on this front 7 is "surplus".
The Browns defense last year ranked 19th against the run and 25th against the pass. I don't see how any one of these players can be "surplus" until they have like a top 5 ranking in those categories.
I mean, does anyone out there really give a flying fadoodle if the Browns run the 4-3 or the 3-4? I don't. Do you?
Gip, you're right. How could I and every coach/exec/coordinator be so blind?
Schemes are useless. Lets line 11 players up wherever they want. After all, it's just tackling a person with a ball.
Your ignorance of the sport is astounding.
You show me any team that runs a 5-3 base defense or a 46 defense and I'll show you a 0 win team.
Gip, you're right. How could I and every coach/exec/coordinator be so blind?
Schemes are useless. Lets line 11 players up wherever they want. After all, it's just tackling a person with a ball.
Your ignorance of the sport is astounding.
You show me any team that runs a 5-3 base defense or a 46 defense and I'll show you a 0 win team.
The 1985 Bears ran the 46 defense. They went 15-1 and are considered one of the best teams in history.
Because of the players they had on that team, they could come back today and run the same defense and be very successful. Or, they could run the 3-4 and also be successful.
So, maybe here is where we differ: Apparently, you believe success is ALL about the scheme.
I say that success all about the quality of the players and the coaching. Hordes of coaches have tried to duplicate the LeBeau scheme...but none of them have been as successful because they don't teach it as well.
The scheme a team runs is a minor factor in success.
And my further point is that it is fucking absurd that a well paid professional football defensive player could not adapt to a different scheme.
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Zombo said:
The Ravens had 7 DL on their Super Bowl roster.
What do you mean by 6 starters?
There will be three starters. Bryant, Rubin and Taylor get paid to start.
Winn and Hughes get paid to be backups.
Sheard will be a LB.
I think the problem with the math here may be your over-inflated opinion of the depth guys. They are rotational guys. Every team needs them.
Zombo
You do realize Kruger and Sheard will both rotate in at DE, right? Kruger plays with his hand in the dirt about a quarter of the time.
That's Taylor, Rubin, Bryant, Kruger, Sheard, Winn and Hughes rotating at 3 spots.
Any one of those players, excluding Hughes, can start for many teams in the NFL.
You do realize Kruger and Sheard will both rotate in at DE, right? Kruger plays with his hand in the dirt about a quarter of the time.
That's Taylor, Rubin, Bryant, Kruger, Sheard, Winn and Hughes rotating at 3 spots.
Any one of those players, excluding Hughes, can start for many teams in the NFL.
And we should keep them all. If Sheard and Kruger are also to play LB, then those 7 players would be rotating at 4 spots, not 3.
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Zombo said:
The Ravens had 7 DL on their Super Bowl roster.
What do you mean by 6 starters?
There will be three starters. Bryant, Rubin and Taylor get paid to start.
Winn and Hughes get paid to be backups.
Sheard will be a LB.
I think the problem with the math here may be your over-inflated opinion of the depth guys. They are rotational guys. Every team needs them.
Zombo
You do realize Kruger and Sheard will both rotate in at DE, right? Kruger plays with his hand in the dirt about a quarter of the time.
That's Taylor, Rubin, Bryant, Kruger, Sheard, Winn and Hughes rotating at 3 spots.
Any one of those players, excluding Hughes, can start for many teams in the NFL.
You do realize Kruger and Sheard will both rotate in at DE, right? Kruger plays with his hand in the dirt about a quarter of the time.
That's Taylor, Rubin, Bryant, Kruger, Sheard, Winn and Hughes rotating at 3 spots.
Any one of those players, excluding Hughes, can start for many teams in the NFL.
You do realize that a guy lined up at 3-4 OLB CAN put his hand down in the dirt, don't you? Or that we WILL be running a few 4-3 formations as well?
I mean what do you think is going to happen if we pushed Kruger and Sheard down into the 3-4 DE spot? Run the defense with 9 guys that play? We have 3 DL spots, 3 with tested starting talent, 3 with tested reserve talent. We are not going to be cutting people loose. Don't believe me? Listen to Banners interview from yesterday.
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No, my point is that you don't blindly name a 6th round pick great after 1 year. People are already talking like he is the second coming of Christ. We don't know how good he can be as a starter. He did good as a rotation guy last year, I hope he does good again as one this year, and I hope he turns into a great player... but I haven't seen enough of him to hand him the keys to the kingdom like everyone else wants to do.
I never said he was great. I said he could be a starter, which he can be.
Unless we fill a couple more holes, I'm not sure the Browns are a kingdom I would want to inherit.
And Banner said he's okay with the DL depth.
I said he could be a starter, which he can be.
You do not know that. Nobody knows that. You are making an assumption. You could very well be correct, but as of today you are making an assumption.
Winn was not starting at the end of last season - Hughes was, and if we had the same defense next season with the same coordinator, the other DE starter opposite Sheard was going to be.. Hughes, not Winn.
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I said he could be a starter, which he can be.
You do not know that. Nobody knows that. You are making an assumption. You could very well be correct, but as of today you are making an assumption.
Winn was not starting at the end of last season - Hughes was, and if we had the same defense next season with the same coordinator, the other DE starter opposite Sheard was going to be.. Hughes, not Winn.
You do not know that. Nobody knows that. You are making an assumption. You could very well be correct, but as of today you are making an assumption.
Winn was not starting at the end of last season - Hughes was, and if we had the same defense next season with the same coordinator, the other DE starter opposite Sheard was going to be.. Hughes, not Winn.
Billy Winn may be the most over-adored reserve since Ben Gay.
Zombo
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You do not know that. Nobody knows that. You are making an assumption. You could very well be correct, but as of today you are making an assumption.
Winn was not starting at the end of last season - Hughes was, and if we had the same defense next season with the same coordinator, the other DE starter opposite Sheard was going to be.. Hughes, not Winn.
Billy Winn may be the most over-adored reserve since Ben Gay.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Billy Winn may be the most over-adored reserve since Ben Gay.
Zombo
Kelly Holcomb is immortal!
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hey ladies. can the browns ever complete a squad on one side of the ball, defense or offense, without fucking it up?
i mean we grab some good FAs within 48 hours of the opening bell and now that we have them signed (giving us starters and depth) fans now all of a sudden want to trade other players away to fullfill their arm chair GMs fantasy?
GTFO!
of course the FO will entertain trade offers BUT at what cost? are we gonna trade rubin who is arguably the 2nd best DT on the team? for who or what? on first thought i say keep everybody and weed the weak out in training camp.
would you trade rubin straight up for mallet? ok. maybe. only if there is a replacement in the draft sitting there when we pick. but that's not the point. now we have resources that we've needed for years and when we finally get them you want to break up the team.
c'mon man.
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In Bryants press conference yesterday Banner said something along the line of "we won't be trading any D-Lineman" .
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In Bryants press conference yesterday Banner said something along the line of "we won't be trading any D-Lineman" .
In Bryants press conference yesterday Banner said something along the line of "we won't be trading any D-Lineman" .
Thank God!
We are going to rock the AFC North.
Z
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Can't remember what article, but it said the Rubin would be an end, along with Bryant. Leaving the DT to phil Taylor with Kitchen as a backup, and Hughes and Winn are the depth DEs
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This DL/LB-focused strategy in FA makes perfect sense.
How?
1) The dynamic Horton scheme necessitates LB and DE who can swap to the other position on any given down. It also requires depth in each position, as you are constantly having to adapt and move differently based on your formational position.
2) We play in the AFC North. This isn't a division of pussy-domes and seventy degree weather. If we can dominate the line and the box, even an average secondary will allow this defense to take us places
3) Yes, help is needed at CB. But, CB is an area that very easily addressed in the draft.
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Great news from Banner
Chief executive officer Joe Banner dismissed rumblings that the Browns are interested in trading defensive linemen Phil Taylor or Ahtyba Rubin. There was speculation they could be involved in a deal for Patriots backup Ryan Mallett. “Our purpose has been to put together a really strong unit, have some depth so we can rotate and so if we have any injuries the line will still be one of the primary assets of the team," Banner said, via The Akron Beacon Journal. "That’s what we feel like we’re achieving. We’re not looking to be trading anybody.”
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Has anyone found any good tape/videos of Bryant on the field? I haven't been able to find much at all and would love to get a first hand look at him. Thanks!
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Has anyone found any good tape/videos of Bryant on the field? I haven't been able to find much at all and would love to get a first hand look at him. Thanks!
Has anyone found any good tape/videos of Bryant on the field? I haven't been able to find much at all and would love to get a first hand look at him. Thanks!
Your best bet is going to be watching Oakland team highlight tapes and finding plays he is in. Otherwise your just going to be finding a lot of Dez Bryant videos.
I might look into making a highlight tape for our new FA today and tomorrow, kind of bored right now. I'll get back to you if I end up taking the time to do it.
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Has anyone found any good tape/videos of Bryant on the field? I haven't been able to find much at all and would love to get a first hand look at him. Thanks!
Your best bet is going to be watching Oakland team highlight tapes and finding plays he is in. Otherwise your just going to be finding a lot of Dez Bryant videos.
I might look into making a highlight tape for our new FA today and tomorrow, kind of bored right now. I'll get back to you if I end up taking the time to do it.
Your best bet is going to be watching Oakland team highlight tapes and finding plays he is in. Otherwise your just going to be finding a lot of Dez Bryant videos.
I might look into making a highlight tape for our new FA today and tomorrow, kind of bored right now. I'll get back to you if I end up taking the time to do it.
That would be really awesome.
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