Rob Portman Supports Gay Marriage.
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Don't misunderstand, I completely get your rationale.
Personally I'm pretty open minded on all of these social issues.
But since gay marriage and abortion and all of that crap is going to take care of itself anyway no matter who is president I vote on the issues I think 1 party or the other could change.
I mean seriously, we're not going to get a constitutional amendment no matter who's in the White House.
I also don't care if a kid wants to say a prayer at a school function.
WSS
If only the conservatives were to come out tomorrow and say we take a strict no social issue stance and run, I think it would be an easy win for them. The Moral high ground stuff kills them in popular opinion.
If only the conservatives were to come out tomorrow and say we take a strict no social issue stance and run, I think it would be an easy win for them. The Moral high ground stuff kills them in popular opinion.
Could be. I don't think people really want to be that conservative and use religion as an excuse.
I don't see all that many evangelistic Republican candidates, do you? Mitt Romney? John McCain? George W Bush?
On the other hand the president himself has Bragg often about his deep Christian roots and his dedication to that religion, right?
The church he joined, and I understand it was for show, was farther to the outside then any other presidential candidate.
I have a good friend who is Jewish and said he couldn't vote for an evangelistic Christian governor here in Ohio because they thought he was going to hell.
I asked him if he believed there was a hell and he said no.
So I wonder then who cares?
Of course he voted for Methodist minister Strickland.
So yes I guess you can blast the Republicans for being too Christian for your taste.
Maybe you could point out the Democrats stand up and says that Christianity is a crock of.....
WSS
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If only the conservatives were to come out tomorrow and say we take a strict no social issue stance and run, I think it would be an easy win for them. The Moral high ground stuff kills them in popular opinion.
Could be. I don't think people really want to be that conservative and use religion as an excuse.
I don't see all that many evangelistic Republican candidates, do you? Mitt Romney? John McCain? George W Bush?
On the other hand the president himself has Bragg often about his deep Christian roots and his dedication to that religion, right?
The church he joined, and I understand it was for show, was farther to the outside then any other presidential candidate.
I have a good friend who is Jewish and said he couldn't vote for an evangelistic Christian governor here in Ohio because they thought he was going to hell.
I asked him if he believed there was a hell and he said no.
So I wonder then who cares?
Of course he voted for Methodist minister Strickland.
So yes I guess you can blast the Republicans for being too Christian for your taste.
Maybe you could point out the Democrats stand up and says that Christianity is a crock of.....
WSS
Could be. I don't think people really want to be that conservative and use religion as an excuse.
I don't see all that many evangelistic Republican candidates, do you? Mitt Romney? John McCain? George W Bush?
On the other hand the president himself has Bragg often about his deep Christian roots and his dedication to that religion, right?
The church he joined, and I understand it was for show, was farther to the outside then any other presidential candidate.
I have a good friend who is Jewish and said he couldn't vote for an evangelistic Christian governor here in Ohio because they thought he was going to hell.
I asked him if he believed there was a hell and he said no.
So I wonder then who cares?
Of course he voted for Methodist minister Strickland.
So yes I guess you can blast the Republicans for being too Christian for your taste.
Maybe you could point out the Democrats stand up and says that Christianity is a crock of.....
WSS
If the D's were to take a Christianity is crock stance it would be just as damaging for me(and others). I really think that taking a position on religion only hurts you. your analogy was a perfect example of this. why alienate a potential voter based on religion? Its just needlessly divisive. run on a platform of government issues and become more palatable. It gives less BS reasons for a person to dismiss you as a candidate.
Trust me I am not a religion bashing atheist.
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It's not one in ten. That was always propaganda. Recently they actually got a pretty good handle on what the number is, and it's about 2.5%-3.0% of the population is gay. So, about the same number that is Jewish.
But, I'm not gay and it's a very important issue to me. I almost certainly wouldn't vote for someone who is rabidly anti-gay, or even moderately anti-gay. I really don't understand the argument that since there are other important issues we shouldn't discuss or address the lack of civil rights for a certain category of our fellow Americans.
It's a big deal to a lot of people. As Rob Portman just found out. You might even say it goes to the whole notion of "the pursuit of happiness." Also "equal protection" and "freedom." I think I remember reading about those somewhere.
You might even say it goes to the whole notion of "the pursuit of happiness." Also "equal protection" and "freedom." I think I remember reading about those somewhere.
Clearly an antiquated document.
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It's not one in ten. That was always propaganda. Recently they actually got a pretty good handle on what the number is, and it's about 2.5%-3.0% of the population is gay. So, about the same number that is Jewish.
But, I'm not gay and it's a very important issue to me. I almost certainly wouldn't vote for someone who is rabidly anti-gay, or even moderately anti-gay. I really don't understand the argument that since there are other important issues we shouldn't discuss or address the lack of civil rights for a certain category of our fellow Americans.
It's a big deal to a lot of people. As Rob Portman just found out. You might even say it goes to the whole notion of "the pursuit of happiness." Also "equal protection" and "freedom." I think I remember reading about those somewhere.
It's not one in ten. That was always propaganda. Recently they actually got a pretty good handle on what the number is, and it's about 2.5%-3.0% of the population is gay. So, about the same number that is Jewish.
But, I'm not gay and it's a very important issue to me. I almost certainly wouldn't vote for someone who is rabidly anti-gay, or even moderately anti-gay. I really don't understand the argument that since there are other important issues we shouldn't discuss or address the lack of civil rights for a certain category of our fellow Americans.
It's a big deal to a lot of people. As Rob Portman just found out. You might even say it goes to the whole notion of "the pursuit of happiness." Also "equal protection" and "freedom." I think I remember reading about those somewhere.
I can't disagree with defending one's right to "the pursuit of happiness" as I am a huge advocate of the constitution being the law of the land. Don't miss what I'm saying in my post. Gays should be allowed to marry. It has absolutely zero effect on my life. However, the economy has a HUGE affect on everyone's life and I feel it should have been the main focus of the last election. Life's not fair and sometimes people need to wait to get things so if that means putting gay marriage on hold to fix the economy then so be it. It sucks, yeah, but that's what I believe we should be doing. I just don't understand how social politics pull so much weight over an impending financial crisis.
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Well like you said, it gas zero affect on YOUR life
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It's not one in ten. That was always propaganda. Recently they actually got a pretty good handle on what the number is, and it's about 2.5%-3.0% of the population is gay. So, about the same number that is Jewish.
But, I'm not gay and it's a very important issue to me. I almost certainly wouldn't vote for someone who is rabidly anti-gay, or even moderately anti-gay. I really don't understand the argument that since there are other important issues we shouldn't discuss or address the lack of civil rights for a certain category of our fellow Americans.
It's a big deal to a lot of people. As Rob Portman just found out. You might even say it goes to the whole notion of "the pursuit of happiness." Also "equal protection" and "freedom." I think I remember reading about those somewhere.
I can't disagree with defending one's right to "the pursuit of happiness" as I am a huge advocate of the constitution being the law of the land. Don't miss what I'm saying in my post. Gays should be allowed to marry. It has absolutely zero effect on my life. However, the economy has a HUGE affect on everyone's life and I feel it should have been the main focus of the last election. Life's not fair and sometimes people need to wait to get things so if that means putting gay marriage on hold to fix the economy then so be it. It sucks, yeah, but that's what I believe we should be doing. I just don't understand how social politics pull so much weight over an impending financial crisis.
I can't disagree with defending one's right to "the pursuit of happiness" as I am a huge advocate of the constitution being the law of the land. Don't miss what I'm saying in my post. Gays should be allowed to marry. It has absolutely zero effect on my life. However, the economy has a HUGE affect on everyone's life and I feel it should have been the main focus of the last election. Life's not fair and sometimes people need to wait to get things so if that means putting gay marriage on hold to fix the economy then so be it. It sucks, yeah, but that's what I believe we should be doing. I just don't understand how social politics pull so much weight over an impending financial crisis.
It is really a pretty easy fix that could be done in days, just a few changes in existing law mostly in terminology. Like I said earlier it would suck if I were the 10%(or whatever the number may be). Just because there are larger issues does not exclude it from being an issue.
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Sen. Saxby Chambliss, when asked if his views had changed on gay marriage, the Georgia Republican quipped: āIām not gay. So Iām not going to marry one.ā
Again, these guys are really sympathetic to people who aren't them.
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Sen. Saxby Chambliss, when asked if his views had changed on gay marriage, the Georgia Republican quipped: āIām not gay. So Iām not going to marry one.ā
Again, these guys are really sympathetic to people who aren't them.
Sen. Saxby Chambliss, when asked if his views had changed on gay marriage, the Georgia Republican quipped: āIām not gay. So Iām not going to marry one.ā
Again, these guys are really sympathetic to people who aren't them.
I'm starting to realize why black people never really got out and voted til Obama.
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Sen. Saxby Chambliss, when asked if his views had changed on gay marriage, the Georgia Republican quipped: āIām not gay. So Iām not going to marry one.ā
Again, these guys are really sympathetic to people who aren't them.
I'm starting to realize why black people never really got out and voted til Obama.
I'm starting to realize why black people never really got out and voted til Obama.
Exactly.
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Sen. Saxby Chambliss, when asked if his views had changed on gay marriage, the Georgia Republican quipped: āIām not gay. So Iām not going to marry one.ā
Again, these guys are really sympathetic to people who aren't them.
I'm starting to realize why black people never really got out and voted til Obama.
I'm starting to realize why black people never really got out and voted til Obama.
Like why the klan really got out in force behind David Duke I guess.
Keep in mind, open minded boy, that black people hate gays worse than most.
Big reason the empty suit's been flip flopping all over the place on the issue...
WSS
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Blacks went from 61% turnout in 2004 to 65% in 2008, while whites went from 67% in 2004 to 66% in 2008, so I don't really think the statement is even warranted in the first place. Clearly, blacks were more energized by a black candidate. But it's simply not true that "black people never really got out and voted til Obama" is it?
And in 2012, while the official Census figures aren't in, it seems the white vote turnout was down again in 2012, and blacks may have even turned out in greater numbers than whites for the first time in history. So, if you're going to take one data point and say that blacks didn't come out and vote until Obama was on the ballot, I guess you'd have to take that same data point and say white voters didn't show up because there was a black man on the ballot.
But I wouldn't say either of those things. Nor would I liken black enthusiasm for the first black president to the Klan's enthusiasm for a fellow white supremacist. But I'm also not prejudiced against black people.
I think Vapor was just baiting you anyway.
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Sen. Saxby Chambliss, when asked if his views had changed on gay marriage, the Georgia Republican quipped: āIām not gay. So Iām not going to marry one.ā
Again, these guys are really sympathetic to people who aren't them.
I'm starting to realize why black people never really got out and voted til Obama.
I'm starting to realize why black people never really got out and voted til Obama.
Well they did vote for the other black President, Clinton.
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Blacks went from 61% turnout in 2004 to 65% in 2008, while whites went from 67% in 2004 to 66% in 2008, so I don't really think the statement is even warranted in the first place. Clearly, blacks were more energized by a black candidate. But it's simply not true that "black people never really got out and voted til Obama" is it?
And in 2012, while the official Census figures aren't in, it seems the white vote turnout was down again in 2012, and blacks may have even turned out in greater numbers than whites for the first time in history. So, if you're going to take one data point and say that blacks didn't come out and vote until Obama was on the ballot, I guess you'd have to take that same data point and say white voters didn't show up because there was a black man on the ballot.
But I wouldn't say either of those things. Nor would I liken black enthusiasm for the first black president to the Klan's enthusiasm for a fellow white supremacist. But I'm also not prejudiced against black people.
I think Vapor was just baiting you anyway.
Blacks went from 61% turnout in 2004 to 65% in 2008, while whites went from 67% in 2004 to 66% in 2008, so I don't really think the statement is even warranted in the first place. Clearly, blacks were more energized by a black candidate. But it's simply not true that "black people never really got out and voted til Obama" is it?
And in 2012, while the official Census figures aren't in, it seems the white vote turnout was down again in 2012, and blacks may have even turned out in greater numbers than whites for the first time in history. So, if you're going to take one data point and say that blacks didn't come out and vote until Obama was on the ballot, I guess you'd have to take that same data point and say white voters didn't show up because there was a black man on the ballot.
And that doesn't even make sense. If white people are as evil and prejudiced as you seem to think they should have come out in droves for the white candidate but they didn't.
But I wouldn't say either of those things. Nor would I liken black enthusiasm for the first black president to the Klan's enthusiasm for a fellow white supremacist.
Ha ha. I remember you bitching about Mormon support for Romney but...
People will vote on the basis of a shared dislike of a particular group, be it black or white.
But I'm also not prejudiced against black people.
Your prejudice is on the opposite side, that's all.
I think Vapor was just baiting you anyway.
I'd say he's just talking out his ass.
So the point is gay marriage right?
More blacks oppose it than whites.
And Obama pandered to them like a champ.
But we're mad at Rob Portman?
Now if I use the descriptive terms you guys use about white Christians, superstitious, ignorant, bigoted, hateful or stupid you'd most likely gripe.
But it's a stupid analogy anyway.
WSS
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Blacks went from 61% turnout in 2004 to 65% in 2008, while whites went from 67% in 2004 to 66% in 2008, so I don't really think the statement is even warranted in the first place. Clearly, blacks were more energized by a black candidate. But it's simply not true that "black people never really got out and voted til Obama" is it?
And in 2012, while the official Census figures aren't in, it seems the white vote turnout was down again in 2012, and blacks may have even turned out in greater numbers than whites for the first time in history. So, if you're going to take one data point and say that blacks didn't come out and vote until Obama was on the ballot, I guess you'd have to take that same data point and say white voters didn't show up because there was a black man on the ballot.
But I wouldn't say either of those things. Nor would I liken black enthusiasm for the first black president to the Klan's enthusiasm for a fellow white supremacist. But I'm also not prejudiced against black people.
I think Vapor was just baiting you anyway.
I think Vapor was just baiting you anyway.
No, I just made an uneducated comment, which is something I think most people here won't admit to.
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Oh yeah, well, I've made those kind of statements too, dammit !
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oops. Wait, I ....
too late.
crap.
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I think Vapor was just baiting you anyway.
No, I just made an uneducated comment, which is something I think most people here won't admit to.
No, I just made an uneducated comment, which is something I think most people here won't admit to.
Oh come on, most of us are happy to admit when you make an uneducated comment.
WSS
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I think Vapor was just baiting you anyway.
No, I just made an uneducated comment, which is something I think most people here won't admit to.
No, I just made an uneducated comment, which is something I think most people here won't admit to.
That's big of you vapor. I'll continue on with a wrong viewpoint, sometimes just to play devils advocate, so i'll cop to it. I doubt anyone here is guilty of being right all the time.
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and I thought I was alone too...
plenty of "Doh" moments here for me when I re-read my offerings, lol
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Your memory is really bad. I wasn't "bitching" about Mormon support for Romney. I was countering your constant "bitching" about black support for Obama by showing you that there are other groups that are equally loyal to a particular member of their race or religion and you don't seem to have a problem with them. It was only blacks you had a problem with. And that critique still stands. It even works in this very thread!
Honestly, brother, once again I'd just like to point out to you that if you worked in any sort of public position and you just compared the way black voters are enthusiastic for Obama with the way the Klan was enthusiastic for David Duke ...you'd be fired. And publicly rebuked. And people who have to distance themselves from you.
Of course, you'd have been fired for about 93 other things you've written in the past, but you can just chalk it up to the world being "too PC" and not you being kind of racist.
What's always fun about you is that your big problem with blacks is that you think they're too provincial and insular and only see things from a black perspective, and play for the black team. Meanwhile, you're too provincial and insular and only see things from a white perspective, and play for the white team. You really lack the basic self-awareness to see that you're doing the exact same thing you accuse them of doing. Which, of course, is psychology 101 - the thing that really bothers you about other people is really the thing that bothers you about yourself - but we don't need to put you on the couch.
And what's fun about this thread is that it started with Vapor making a claim about black voters. And then Diehard said "exactly." And then I brought out the numbers that showed that black voters have always voted in large numbers, and that the Obama effect is only a few percentage points, and that it doesn't support the statement he made. So Vapor said, "My bad." Because he's willing to confront when his opinions aren't born out by reality.
You, on the other hand, never do. Me pointing out the actual numbers of how blacks votes? That's prejudice on the other side!
Cue Steven Colbert: "Reality has a well-known liberal bias."
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But back to the gay marriage thread, this is an interesting map that shows the nature of the problem for any politician - outside the South - who doesn't support gay marriage. It's about DADT, but you get the picture. The public has moved faster than the politicians. It's also about how politicians are motivated more by how their active base and their interest groups would respond than the public at large.
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