Available QB's
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Here is an updated list of the QB's on the open market:
Kurt Warner - He will be resigned, or franchise tagged at the very least.
Matt Cassel - Looks like NE is doing the franchise tag. That takes him off the market for now. I don't see him going anywhere until they know how Brady is doing...and that won't happen until pre-season. May as well count him OFF the market.
Jeff Garcia - Tampa Bay is in no position to let Garcia get away. They were NOT winning with Garcia out...and Garcia is not going to cost THAT much to keep. He won't be hitting the market.
Rex Grossman - He has finally become what most thought he was...a career backup. He actually might be a good pickup for a lot of teams with a solid top QB.
Kyle Boller - Also a career backup. Nobody is going to waste much on him.
Charlie Batch - He is going into his 12th season and coming off injury. I wouldn't be surprised to see him not get any interest until after the season starts.
J.P.Losman - Another career backup as of now. He has no arm strength, and has looked terrible in backup to Edwards. However, he is young enough (will be 28) and has starting experience. He will get looks, but again, no starting slots will be offered.
Patrick Ramsay - He was a late pickup last time...he will be a late pickup this time. Roster filler.
Other NON-FA QB's discussed:
Matt Leinart - Not going anywhere. He signed a 6yr deal in 2006 and won't be a FA until 2012. He is only $1.1m in 2009, and $2.485m in 2010. That means they can easily afford BOTH him and Warner.
Donovan McNabb - Philly not only made the playoffs, but are in the running for the NFC Title...and maybe the SB. He is now officially off the market.
Vince Young - Vince may be shopped, but after his off the field problems...and his run first style...I don't see him getting much attention.
Kerry Collins - He will get a contract in Tennessee. He led that team, and VY is still a question mark at best.
QB's in the Draft:
Sam Bradford pulled out of the draft.
Matt Stafford - Likely #1 to Detroit
Mark Sanchez - Improved his stock this year...but still doesn't fit the 'successful QB' model many of us have quoted here. He has only 22 total games (much less starts) and basically is a one year wonder...not a long term starter.
That is why I see DA pulling in as much as a 2nd (more likely a 3rd). He will be taken behind the top 2 draft QB's (by a team not likely to get one of them) and I really don't see anyone else that has his UPSIDE on the FA market (that will actually hit).
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Here is an updated list of the QB's on the open market:
Kurt Warner - He will be resigned, or franchise tagged at the very least.
Matt Cassel - Looks like NE is doing the franchise tag. That takes him off the market for now. I don't see him going anywhere until they know how Brady is doing...and that won't happen until pre-season. May as well count him OFF the market.
Jeff Garcia - Tampa Bay is in no position to let Garcia get away. They were NOT winning with Garcia out...and Garcia is not going to cost THAT much to keep. He won't be hitting the market.
Rex Grossman - He has finally become what most thought he was...a career backup. He actually might be a good pickup for a lot of teams with a solid top QB.
Kyle Boller - Also a career backup. Nobody is going to waste much on him.
Charlie Batch - He is going into his 12th season and coming off injury. I wouldn't be surprised to see him not get any interest until after the season starts.
J.P.Losman - Another career backup as of now. He has no arm strength, and has looked terrible in backup to Edwards. However, he is young enough (will be 28) and has starting experience. He will get looks, but again, no starting slots will be offered.
Patrick Ramsay - He was a late pickup last time...he will be a late pickup this time. Roster filler.
Other NON-FA QB's discussed:
Matt Leinart - Not going anywhere. He signed a 6yr deal in 2006 and won't be a FA until 2012. He is only $1.1m in 2009, and $2.485m in 2010. That means they can easily afford BOTH him and Warner.
Donovan McNabb - Philly not only made the playoffs, but are in the running for the NFC Title...and maybe the SB. He is now officially off the market.
Vince Young - Vince may be shopped, but after his off the field problems...and his run first style...I don't see him getting much attention.
Kerry Collins - He will get a contract in Tennessee. He led that team, and VY is still a question mark at best.
QB's in the Draft:
Sam Bradford pulled out of the draft.
Matt Stafford - Likely #1 to Detroit
Mark Sanchez - Improved his stock this year...but still doesn't fit the 'successful QB' model many of us have quoted here. He has only 22 total games (much less starts) and basically is a one year wonder...not a long term starter.
That is why I see DA pulling in as much as a 2nd (more likely a 3rd). He will be taken behind the top 2 draft QB's (by a team not likely to get one of them) and I really don't see anyone else that has his UPSIDE on the FA market (that will actually hit).
Jeff Garcia - Tampa Bay is in no position to let Garcia get away. They were NOT winning with Garcia out...and Garcia is not going to cost THAT much to keep. He won't be hitting the market.
Garcia and Gruden hate each other. Those two need a divorce, and they'll probably get one this offseason. I think Garcia ends up in Minnesota.
Byron Leftwich's another name to bring up. He may not be anyone's first choice, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone gave him a shot.
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Thanks for compiling that list.
The FA's are truly garbage. If keeping DA wouldn't cause a rift in the locker room (i.e., there was no QB controversy and he accepted the role as a clear backup), besides the McNabbs and Cassels we're obviously not in the market for, he's really the best option. He has value...
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Jeff Garcia - Tampa Bay is in no position to let Garcia get away. They were NOT winning with Garcia out...and Garcia is not going to cost THAT much to keep. He won't be hitting the market.
Garcia and Gruden hate each other. Those two need a divorce, and they'll probably get one this offseason. I think Garcia ends up in Minnesota.
Byron Leftwich's another name to bring up. He may not be anyone's first choice, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone gave him a shot.
Aloysius said:
Garcia and Gruden hate each other. Those two need a divorce, and they'll probably get one this offseason. I think Garcia ends up in Minnesota.Byron Leftwich's another name to bring up. He may not be anyone's first choice, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone gave him a shot.
I had forgotten about Leftwich. He may be headed for the Bears per this quote:
Asked if he'd be interested in playing for the Bears in 2009 Sunday, Steelers backup QB Byron Leftwich said "tell them to look me up."
"I'm a fan of Lovie Smith," added the impending free agent. "I thought that was where I was going to go in the beginning." Leftwich to Chicago makes too much sense. GM Jerry Angelo considers upgrading at QB his top offseason priority and Byron has the arm to throw through strong winds at Soldier Field.
Could be interesting. As for Garcia..I am not sure if Minnesota is in a RENTAL mode. They have a good nucleus...and getting "the guy" may be of more importance to them.
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there's an option if we don't keep DA: rex grossman. they're almost the same player, but grossman will come cheaper (pending resolution of DA's cap situation) and is more mobile. plus, he has a bit more touch on his short passes.
far from a great option, but good if it can save us cap space.
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there's an option if we don't keep DA: rex grossman. they're almost the same player, but grossman will come cheaper (pending resolution of DA's cap situation) and is more mobile. plus, he has a bit more touch on his short passes.
far from a great option, but good if it can save us cap space.
there's an option if we don't keep DA: rex grossman. they're almost the same player, but grossman will come cheaper (pending resolution of DA's cap situation) and is more mobile. plus, he has a bit more touch on his short passes.
far from a great option, but good if it can save us cap space.
We should just offer chicago DA for RG straight up.
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@inspecta said:
That was kinda my point with the "Keep DA on the roster" thread.Point taken, but there comes a point where what we'd receive in return outweighs his worth as a backup.
To me, that might very well be a 3rd-rounder.
mz. said:
Point taken, but there comes a point where what we'd receive in return outweighs his worth as a backup.Let's just remember that DA's 2010 contract is over $7M...which is why keeping him on this team NOT worth it.
He will NOT restructure to be a backup, but he might for a chance to start elsewhere.
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Brady's our starter without a doubt. Trade Anderson to SF or Chi for a 3rd Rd pick and then pick someone up like Kyle Boller or Rex Grossman
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Aloysius said:
Garcia and Gruden hate each other. Those two need a divorce, and they'll probably get one this offseason. I think Garcia ends up in Minnesota.Byron Leftwich's another name to bring up. He may not be anyone's first choice, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone gave him a shot.
I had forgotten about Leftwich. He may be headed for the Bears per this quote:
Asked if he'd be interested in playing for the Bears in 2009 Sunday, Steelers backup QB Byron Leftwich said "tell them to look me up."
"I'm a fan of Lovie Smith," added the impending free agent. "I thought that was where I was going to go in the beginning." Leftwich to Chicago makes too much sense. GM Jerry Angelo considers upgrading at QB his top offseason priority and Byron has the arm to throw through strong winds at Soldier Field.
Could be interesting. As for Garcia..I am not sure if Minnesota is in a RENTAL mode. They have a good nucleus...and getting "the guy" may be of more importance to them.
Could be interesting. As for Garcia..I am not sure if Minnesota is in a RENTAL mode. They have a good nucleus...and getting "the guy" may be of more importance to them.
Could be. I guess it depends on how much job security Brad Childress thinks he has. If he's at all worried, signing a veteran QB who's had success running the same offense in Philly would be a smart move.
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Could be interesting. As for Garcia..I am not sure if Minnesota is in a RENTAL mode. They have a good nucleus...and getting "the guy" may be of more importance to them.
Could be. I guess it depends on how much job security Brad Childress thinks he has. If he's at all worried, signing a veteran QB who's had success running the same offense in Philly would be a smart move.
Aloysius said:
Could be. I guess it depends on how much job security Brad Childress thinks he has. If he's at all worried, signing a veteran QB who's had success running the same offense in Philly would be a smart move.Aloy, I heard from someone in Minnesota that the Vikings may attempt to trade for Mark Bulger
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There'd be a $10M cap hit if the Rams cut or trade Bulger, so he's not going anywhere.
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I wouldn't be so 100% sure about McNabb staying in Philly. If he ends up choking in another big game, which he seems to do sometimes, the heat will drop on him again. And he still harbors feelings about that whole benching situation. Unless they win the Superbowl, which cures everything.
I guess it really has no bearing on the Browns, unless they end up interested in a trade for DA.
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@shepwrite said:
Garcia and TB are all but divorced. That marriage is dead.Losman lacks arm strength? That I'd never heard. I think he'll gain some popularity as the offseason grows longer, much like Anderson.
I'm not as convinced as you about Leinart, John, but on the other hand... you could be dead on. If Warner signs a one-year deal? Sure, Leinart waits. But if he signs for two or three, Leinart and Condon (is that right?) will burn the village.
Well, looks like Garcia is back in the running in TB....with Chuckie out of there. Besides, if Garcia DOES move on...that means TB is likely in the running for a new QB.
Back to comments about McNabb and Philly, he DIDN'T choke. In fact, he brought them all the way back and took the lead...but the defense couldn't hold it. Go figure. Thing is, he is likely going to require 2 1sts to get him anyway.
New rumors out of Chicago (homerism at it's best) are saying Warner is going to test the market and come to Chicago. I guess Warner's agent is talking it up. Well, what else would he be doing when he needs to get his guy a great contract. I for one doubt serioulsy that Warner walks after taking AZ to the promised land. As for Leinart...Warner will likely get a 2 yr contract...and Leinart is under contract until 2012...so he likely doesn't go anywhere THIS year (next year maybe, but I think he gets worked in a bit more next year and takes over in 2011.
I am more and more convinced we will get at least a 2nd rounder for DA.
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@shepwrite said:
Garcia and TB are all but divorced. That marriage is dead.Losman lacks arm strength? That I'd never heard. I think he'll gain some popularity as the offseason grows longer, much like Anderson.
I'm not as convinced as you about Leinart, John, but on the other hand... you could be dead on. If Warner signs a one-year deal? Sure, Leinart waits. But if he signs for two or three, Leinart and Condon (is that right?) will burn the village.
Well, looks like Garcia is back in the running in TB....with Chuckie out of there. Besides, if Garcia DOES move on...that means TB is likely in the running for a new QB.
Back to comments about McNabb and Philly, he DIDN'T choke. In fact, he brought them all the way back and took the lead...but the defense couldn't hold it. Go figure. Thing is, he is likely going to require 2 1sts to get him anyway.
New rumors out of Chicago (homerism at it's best) are saying Warner is going to test the market and come to Chicago. I guess Warner's agent is talking it up. Well, what else would he be doing when he needs to get his guy a great contract. I for one doubt serioulsy that Warner walks after taking AZ to the promised land. As for Leinart...Warner will likely get a 2 yr contract...and Leinart is under contract until 2012...so he likely doesn't go anywhere THIS year (next year maybe, but I think he gets worked in a bit more next year and takes over in 2011.
I am more and more convinced we will get at least a 2nd rounder for DA.
Back to comments about McNabb and Philly, he DIDN'T choke. In fact, he brought them all the way back and took the lead...but the defense couldn't hold it. Go figure. Thing is, he is likely going to require 2 1sts to get him anyway.
Sorry, but McNabb choked. He flat out missed open receivers all day long, even when he wasn't under pressure. That's McNabb in a nut shell when it gets to big games. He suddenly becomes DA.
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Back to comments about McNabb and Philly, he DIDN'T choke. In fact, he brought them all the way back and took the lead...but the defense couldn't hold it. Go figure. Thing is, he is likely going to require 2 1sts to get him anyway.
Sorry, but McNabb choked. He flat out missed open receivers all day long, even when he wasn't under pressure. That's McNabb in a nut shell when it gets to big games. He suddenly becomes DA.
Masters said:
Sorry, but McNabb choked. He flat out missed open receivers all day long, even when he wasn't under pressure. That's McNabb in a nut shell when it gets to big games. He suddenly becomes DA.28/47 375yds, 3 TD, 1 INT
and that with only 66 yds rushing from his RB's (he got 31 himself).
That's 60% completions....a 3-1 TD/INT ratio....and he accounted for 388 (-18 for sacks) of 454 total yards for the Eagles.
Doesn't sound much like a choke job to me. And if DA was still putting up numbers like that he would still be the starting QB in Cleveland.
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Masters said:
Sorry, but McNabb choked. He flat out missed open receivers all day long, even when he wasn't under pressure. That's McNabb in a nut shell when it gets to big games. He suddenly becomes DA.28/47 375yds, 3 TD, 1 INT
and that with only 66 yds rushing from his RB's (he got 31 himself).
That's 60% completions....a 3-1 TD/INT ratio....and he accounted for 388 (-18 for sacks) of 454 total yards for the Eagles.
Doesn't sound much like a choke job to me. And if DA was still putting up numbers like that he would still be the starting QB in Cleveland.
28/47 375yds, 3 TD, 1 INT
and that with only 66 yds rushing from his RB's (he got 31 himself).
That's 60% completions....a 3-1 TD/INT ratio....and he accounted for 388 (-18 for sacks) of 454 total yards for the Eagles.
Doesn't sound much like a choke job to me. And if DA was still putting up numbers like that he would still be the starting QB in Cleveland.
When you look at the box score, it looks good. When you watched the game, it was bad. Clutch QBs don't flat out miss open guys the way McNabb did several times in that game. They were misses that if a good throw is made, change that game with out a doubt.
As just one examle, with over 2 minutes left in the 4th:
1st-10, ARI47 2:09 D. McNabb incomplete pass to the left
2nd-10, ARI47 2:06 D. McNabb incomplete pass down the middle
3rd-10, ARI47 2:01 D. McNabb incomplete pass to the left
4th-10, ARI47 1:51 D. McNabb incomplete pass to the right
They were all just bad passes.
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Update on the Warner/Leinart discussion:
Assumption is, Warner will return to Cardinals
Three days after stellar Super Bowl XLIII, one of the most sought-after question in the NFL is, "Does Kurt Warner return to the Arizona Cardinals next season or does he retire?"
The answer is ... Yes!
Warner said Tuesday when he and the Cardinals cleaned out their lockers at their Tempe training facility and said their goodbyes that he will let everyone know his answer shortly.
But after everything that's been said, everything that's been intimated publicly and privately by everyone involved, the general perception in and around the Cardinals' organization seems crystal clear
He will be back. And he likely will sign a new, two-year contract extension - possibly in the neighborhood of $18-20 million - to try and lead this once-woebegone franchise right back into glorious history.
Give it two weeks, three weeks tops.
That was the word circulating through the Warner camp before and following the Cardinals' 27-23 loss to the Steelers in Tampa. And unless management completely drops the ball and short-changes the quarterback at the negotiating table, it's appears to be a done deal.
Still, Warner would make no such public assumptions. He did say on Tuesday he wants to finish his career with the Cardinals.
As I had thought, Warner is likely to do a 2yr deal (through 2010)...that leaves Leinart with 2011 as the starter auditioning to get a max contract...or getting a contract extension before then if he takes over as starter.
The fact still remains that Leinart only makes $2.485M in 2010 ($1.11M in 2009) so he is a very affordable backup to Warner...and will continue to develop ala Rodgers in GB. It is actually the PERFECT set up for AZ.
I highly doubt EITHER will be available this year.
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