Available QB's
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Thanks for compiling that list.
The FA's are truly garbage. If keeping DA wouldn't cause a rift in the locker room (i.e., there was no QB controversy and he accepted the role as a clear backup), besides the McNabbs and Cassels we're obviously not in the market for, he's really the best option. He has value...
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Jeff Garcia - Tampa Bay is in no position to let Garcia get away. They were NOT winning with Garcia out...and Garcia is not going to cost THAT much to keep. He won't be hitting the market.
Garcia and Gruden hate each other. Those two need a divorce, and they'll probably get one this offseason. I think Garcia ends up in Minnesota.
Byron Leftwich's another name to bring up. He may not be anyone's first choice, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone gave him a shot.
Aloysius said:
Garcia and Gruden hate each other. Those two need a divorce, and they'll probably get one this offseason. I think Garcia ends up in Minnesota.Byron Leftwich's another name to bring up. He may not be anyone's first choice, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone gave him a shot.
I had forgotten about Leftwich. He may be headed for the Bears per this quote:
Asked if he'd be interested in playing for the Bears in 2009 Sunday, Steelers backup QB Byron Leftwich said "tell them to look me up."
"I'm a fan of Lovie Smith," added the impending free agent. "I thought that was where I was going to go in the beginning." Leftwich to Chicago makes too much sense. GM Jerry Angelo considers upgrading at QB his top offseason priority and Byron has the arm to throw through strong winds at Soldier Field.
Could be interesting. As for Garcia..I am not sure if Minnesota is in a RENTAL mode. They have a good nucleus...and getting "the guy" may be of more importance to them.
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there's an option if we don't keep DA: rex grossman. they're almost the same player, but grossman will come cheaper (pending resolution of DA's cap situation) and is more mobile. plus, he has a bit more touch on his short passes.
far from a great option, but good if it can save us cap space.
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there's an option if we don't keep DA: rex grossman. they're almost the same player, but grossman will come cheaper (pending resolution of DA's cap situation) and is more mobile. plus, he has a bit more touch on his short passes.
far from a great option, but good if it can save us cap space.
there's an option if we don't keep DA: rex grossman. they're almost the same player, but grossman will come cheaper (pending resolution of DA's cap situation) and is more mobile. plus, he has a bit more touch on his short passes.
far from a great option, but good if it can save us cap space.
We should just offer chicago DA for RG straight up.
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@inspecta said:
That was kinda my point with the "Keep DA on the roster" thread.Point taken, but there comes a point where what we'd receive in return outweighs his worth as a backup.
To me, that might very well be a 3rd-rounder.
mz. said:
Point taken, but there comes a point where what we'd receive in return outweighs his worth as a backup.Let's just remember that DA's 2010 contract is over $7M...which is why keeping him on this team NOT worth it.
He will NOT restructure to be a backup, but he might for a chance to start elsewhere.
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Brady's our starter without a doubt. Trade Anderson to SF or Chi for a 3rd Rd pick and then pick someone up like Kyle Boller or Rex Grossman
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Aloysius said:
Garcia and Gruden hate each other. Those two need a divorce, and they'll probably get one this offseason. I think Garcia ends up in Minnesota.Byron Leftwich's another name to bring up. He may not be anyone's first choice, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone gave him a shot.
I had forgotten about Leftwich. He may be headed for the Bears per this quote:
Asked if he'd be interested in playing for the Bears in 2009 Sunday, Steelers backup QB Byron Leftwich said "tell them to look me up."
"I'm a fan of Lovie Smith," added the impending free agent. "I thought that was where I was going to go in the beginning." Leftwich to Chicago makes too much sense. GM Jerry Angelo considers upgrading at QB his top offseason priority and Byron has the arm to throw through strong winds at Soldier Field.
Could be interesting. As for Garcia..I am not sure if Minnesota is in a RENTAL mode. They have a good nucleus...and getting "the guy" may be of more importance to them.
Could be interesting. As for Garcia..I am not sure if Minnesota is in a RENTAL mode. They have a good nucleus...and getting "the guy" may be of more importance to them.
Could be. I guess it depends on how much job security Brad Childress thinks he has. If he's at all worried, signing a veteran QB who's had success running the same offense in Philly would be a smart move.
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Could be interesting. As for Garcia..I am not sure if Minnesota is in a RENTAL mode. They have a good nucleus...and getting "the guy" may be of more importance to them.
Could be. I guess it depends on how much job security Brad Childress thinks he has. If he's at all worried, signing a veteran QB who's had success running the same offense in Philly would be a smart move.
Aloysius said:
Could be. I guess it depends on how much job security Brad Childress thinks he has. If he's at all worried, signing a veteran QB who's had success running the same offense in Philly would be a smart move.Aloy, I heard from someone in Minnesota that the Vikings may attempt to trade for Mark Bulger
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There'd be a $10M cap hit if the Rams cut or trade Bulger, so he's not going anywhere.
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I wouldn't be so 100% sure about McNabb staying in Philly. If he ends up choking in another big game, which he seems to do sometimes, the heat will drop on him again. And he still harbors feelings about that whole benching situation. Unless they win the Superbowl, which cures everything.
I guess it really has no bearing on the Browns, unless they end up interested in a trade for DA.
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@shepwrite said:
Garcia and TB are all but divorced. That marriage is dead.Losman lacks arm strength? That I'd never heard. I think he'll gain some popularity as the offseason grows longer, much like Anderson.
I'm not as convinced as you about Leinart, John, but on the other hand... you could be dead on. If Warner signs a one-year deal? Sure, Leinart waits. But if he signs for two or three, Leinart and Condon (is that right?) will burn the village.
Well, looks like Garcia is back in the running in TB....with Chuckie out of there. Besides, if Garcia DOES move on...that means TB is likely in the running for a new QB.
Back to comments about McNabb and Philly, he DIDN'T choke. In fact, he brought them all the way back and took the lead...but the defense couldn't hold it. Go figure. Thing is, he is likely going to require 2 1sts to get him anyway.
New rumors out of Chicago (homerism at it's best) are saying Warner is going to test the market and come to Chicago. I guess Warner's agent is talking it up. Well, what else would he be doing when he needs to get his guy a great contract. I for one doubt serioulsy that Warner walks after taking AZ to the promised land. As for Leinart...Warner will likely get a 2 yr contract...and Leinart is under contract until 2012...so he likely doesn't go anywhere THIS year (next year maybe, but I think he gets worked in a bit more next year and takes over in 2011.
I am more and more convinced we will get at least a 2nd rounder for DA.
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@shepwrite said:
Garcia and TB are all but divorced. That marriage is dead.Losman lacks arm strength? That I'd never heard. I think he'll gain some popularity as the offseason grows longer, much like Anderson.
I'm not as convinced as you about Leinart, John, but on the other hand... you could be dead on. If Warner signs a one-year deal? Sure, Leinart waits. But if he signs for two or three, Leinart and Condon (is that right?) will burn the village.
Well, looks like Garcia is back in the running in TB....with Chuckie out of there. Besides, if Garcia DOES move on...that means TB is likely in the running for a new QB.
Back to comments about McNabb and Philly, he DIDN'T choke. In fact, he brought them all the way back and took the lead...but the defense couldn't hold it. Go figure. Thing is, he is likely going to require 2 1sts to get him anyway.
New rumors out of Chicago (homerism at it's best) are saying Warner is going to test the market and come to Chicago. I guess Warner's agent is talking it up. Well, what else would he be doing when he needs to get his guy a great contract. I for one doubt serioulsy that Warner walks after taking AZ to the promised land. As for Leinart...Warner will likely get a 2 yr contract...and Leinart is under contract until 2012...so he likely doesn't go anywhere THIS year (next year maybe, but I think he gets worked in a bit more next year and takes over in 2011.
I am more and more convinced we will get at least a 2nd rounder for DA.
Back to comments about McNabb and Philly, he DIDN'T choke. In fact, he brought them all the way back and took the lead...but the defense couldn't hold it. Go figure. Thing is, he is likely going to require 2 1sts to get him anyway.
Sorry, but McNabb choked. He flat out missed open receivers all day long, even when he wasn't under pressure. That's McNabb in a nut shell when it gets to big games. He suddenly becomes DA.
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Back to comments about McNabb and Philly, he DIDN'T choke. In fact, he brought them all the way back and took the lead...but the defense couldn't hold it. Go figure. Thing is, he is likely going to require 2 1sts to get him anyway.
Sorry, but McNabb choked. He flat out missed open receivers all day long, even when he wasn't under pressure. That's McNabb in a nut shell when it gets to big games. He suddenly becomes DA.
Masters said:
Sorry, but McNabb choked. He flat out missed open receivers all day long, even when he wasn't under pressure. That's McNabb in a nut shell when it gets to big games. He suddenly becomes DA.28/47 375yds, 3 TD, 1 INT
and that with only 66 yds rushing from his RB's (he got 31 himself).
That's 60% completions....a 3-1 TD/INT ratio....and he accounted for 388 (-18 for sacks) of 454 total yards for the Eagles.
Doesn't sound much like a choke job to me. And if DA was still putting up numbers like that he would still be the starting QB in Cleveland.
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Masters said:
Sorry, but McNabb choked. He flat out missed open receivers all day long, even when he wasn't under pressure. That's McNabb in a nut shell when it gets to big games. He suddenly becomes DA.28/47 375yds, 3 TD, 1 INT
and that with only 66 yds rushing from his RB's (he got 31 himself).
That's 60% completions....a 3-1 TD/INT ratio....and he accounted for 388 (-18 for sacks) of 454 total yards for the Eagles.
Doesn't sound much like a choke job to me. And if DA was still putting up numbers like that he would still be the starting QB in Cleveland.
28/47 375yds, 3 TD, 1 INT
and that with only 66 yds rushing from his RB's (he got 31 himself).
That's 60% completions....a 3-1 TD/INT ratio....and he accounted for 388 (-18 for sacks) of 454 total yards for the Eagles.
Doesn't sound much like a choke job to me. And if DA was still putting up numbers like that he would still be the starting QB in Cleveland.
When you look at the box score, it looks good. When you watched the game, it was bad. Clutch QBs don't flat out miss open guys the way McNabb did several times in that game. They were misses that if a good throw is made, change that game with out a doubt.
As just one examle, with over 2 minutes left in the 4th:
1st-10, ARI47 2:09 D. McNabb incomplete pass to the left
2nd-10, ARI47 2:06 D. McNabb incomplete pass down the middle
3rd-10, ARI47 2:01 D. McNabb incomplete pass to the left
4th-10, ARI47 1:51 D. McNabb incomplete pass to the right
They were all just bad passes.
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Update on the Warner/Leinart discussion:
Assumption is, Warner will return to Cardinals
Three days after stellar Super Bowl XLIII, one of the most sought-after question in the NFL is, "Does Kurt Warner return to the Arizona Cardinals next season or does he retire?"
The answer is ... Yes!
Warner said Tuesday when he and the Cardinals cleaned out their lockers at their Tempe training facility and said their goodbyes that he will let everyone know his answer shortly.
But after everything that's been said, everything that's been intimated publicly and privately by everyone involved, the general perception in and around the Cardinals' organization seems crystal clear
He will be back. And he likely will sign a new, two-year contract extension - possibly in the neighborhood of $18-20 million - to try and lead this once-woebegone franchise right back into glorious history.
Give it two weeks, three weeks tops.
That was the word circulating through the Warner camp before and following the Cardinals' 27-23 loss to the Steelers in Tampa. And unless management completely drops the ball and short-changes the quarterback at the negotiating table, it's appears to be a done deal.
Still, Warner would make no such public assumptions. He did say on Tuesday he wants to finish his career with the Cardinals.
As I had thought, Warner is likely to do a 2yr deal (through 2010)...that leaves Leinart with 2011 as the starter auditioning to get a max contract...or getting a contract extension before then if he takes over as starter.
The fact still remains that Leinart only makes $2.485M in 2010 ($1.11M in 2009) so he is a very affordable backup to Warner...and will continue to develop ala Rodgers in GB. It is actually the PERFECT set up for AZ.
I highly doubt EITHER will be available this year.
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Here is another updated on the FA QB situation:
GARCIA READS WRITING ON THE WALL IN TAMPA
Posted by Josh Alper on February 10, 2009, 11:49 a.m.
When the Buccaneers re-signed Luke McCown on Monday, the deal came with assurances that he would be given a chance to compete for the starting job. It doesn’t sound like Jeff Garcia plans on sticking around for the competition.
“It looks like they have decided to go in another direction with the signing of Luke,” Garcia said. “We’ll see what happens in the next couple of weeks but it seems very unlikely that I will get an offer.”
That would leave Brian Griese and Josh Johnson as quarterbacks on the Bucs roster, and give Garcia a chance to pursue starting opportunities elsewhere. Depending on how things shake out on other teams, those options could include the Bears, Dolphins, Jets, Lions, Panthers and Vikings.
Sounds to me that TB has just officially put themselves in the market for a starting QB...unless you think that Luke McCown/Brian Griese/Josh Johnson equals a quality professional QB position.
Add into this situation the fact that they have a new GM, HC, and new OC. Sounds to me as if they may be looking at a young QB with upside...TB picks 19th so not likely that they have any chance at one of the top 2 QB's in the draft....and at 39, Garcia isn't likely to be a HUGE commodity.
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Interesting twist going on in Arizona. They just fired their QB Coach.
He was there for the last 2yrs...which are the 2yrs that Leinart has been riding the pines and Warner has been the defacto starter.
Makes you wonder if they are looking to bring somebody in that will have a better relationship (admittedly rocky early on) with Leinart in an effort to groom him to take over the club in a year or two (or immediately).
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