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Just because I am an atheist does mean I cannot distinguish good from bad. It is nothing more than an excuse for some to behave in a selfish manor.
I would pose that our society which is on the border of child worship is a larger cause of recent problems than anything. Little Johnny and Susy are unable to do wrong in the eyes of their parents and they have no repercussions for their wrongdoing and that is the founding mindset of these children as they become adults.
He is not specifically pertaining to God, he is saying an spirituality as a whole. I believe in God, but do not need religion to be a good person. With that said, he is also talking about spiritual sources, in Indian culture stories themselves are spiritual beings (than again so it peyote).
He is not specifically pertaining to God, he is saying an spirituality as a whole. I believe in God, but do not need religion to be a good person. With that said, he is also talking about spiritual sources, in Indian culture stories themselves are spiritual beings (than again so it peyote).
I am not spiritual either, but I can still very easily distinguish right from wrong. It's pretty easy. I just think that the mindset of my child can do no wrong is more the driving force of a larger selfishness problem. They have never been told that they are wrong when they run around in a restaurant creating chaos for everyone around them. or never been told no when they wanted something. or existing without rules because "think of the children" or trying to correct some perceived wrong of their own parents(like being told no). Parents people have fallen into the trap of being their child's friend, and putting their child on a pedestal.
We are raising children that have no concept of how to behave like adults, and live in the real world.
Just my view on it though.
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He is not specifically pertaining to God, he is saying an spirituality as a whole. I believe in God, but do not need religion to be a good person. With that said, he is also talking about spiritual sources, in Indian culture stories themselves are spiritual beings (than again so it peyote).
I am not spiritual either, but I can still very easily distinguish right from wrong. It's pretty easy. I just think that the mindset of my child can do no wrong is more the driving force of a larger selfishness problem. They have never been told that they are wrong when they run around in a restaurant creating chaos for everyone around them. or never been told no when they wanted something. or existing without rules because "think of the children" or trying to correct some perceived wrong of their own parents(like being told no). Parents people have fallen into the trap of being their child's friend, and putting their child on a pedestal.
We are raising children that have no concept of how to behave like adults, and live in the real world.
Just my view on it though.
I am not spiritual either, but I can still very easily distinguish right from wrong. It's pretty easy. I just think that the mindset of my child can do no wrong is more the driving force of a larger selfishness problem. They have never been told that they are wrong when they run around in a restaurant creating chaos for everyone around them. or never been told no when they wanted something. or existing without rules because "think of the children" or trying to correct some perceived wrong of their own parents(like being told no). Parents people have fallen into the trap of being their child's friend, and putting their child on a pedestal.
We are raising children that have no concept of how to behave like adults, and live in the real world.
Just my view on it though.
I'd put that mainly on the boomers to be honest. And also to be fair, not all people raise their kids like that. I don't allow my kids to create chaos because frankly, it's embarrassing. I don't like when they scream. Screaming is for if someone's trying to abduct your. I will agree that many parents can't differentiate bring stern enough to keep their kids under control, and child abuse you have to worry that some new age asshole is going to call child services on you if your kid has a fit and you drag his ass outside by the arm.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
I am not spiritual either, but I can still very easily distinguish right from wrong. It's pretty easy. I just think that the mindset of my child can do no wrong is more the driving force of a larger selfishness problem. They have never been told that they are wrong when they run around in a restaurant creating chaos for everyone around them. or never been told no when they wanted something. or existing without rules because "think of the children" or trying to correct some perceived wrong of their own parents(like being told no). Parents people have fallen into the trap of being their child's friend, and putting their child on a pedestal.
We are raising children that have no concept of how to behave like adults, and live in the real world.
Just my view on it though.
I'd put that mainly on the boomers to be honest. And also to be fair, not all people raise their kids like that. I don't allow my kids to create chaos because frankly, it's embarrassing. I don't like when they scream. Screaming is for if someone's trying to abduct your. I will agree that many parents can't differentiate bring stern enough to keep their kids under control, and child abuse you have to worry that some new age asshole is going to call child services on you if your kid has a fit and you drag his ass outside by the arm.
I'd put that mainly on the boomers to be honest. And also to be fair, not all people raise their kids like that. I don't allow my kids to create chaos because frankly, it's embarrassing. I don't like when they scream. Screaming is for if someone's trying to abduct your. I will agree that many parents can't differentiate bring stern enough to keep their kids under control, and child abuse you have to worry that some new age asshole is going to call child services on you if your kid has a fit and you drag his ass outside by the arm.
I am definitely speaking in generalities here. My kid very clearly knows what is right and wrong and knows that I will enforce it. And I know plenty that do discipline their children, but I also see a lot of people who fall into that other category.
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I am not spiritual either, but I can still very easily distinguish right from wrong. It's pretty easy. I just think that the mindset of my child can do no wrong is more the driving force of a larger selfishness problem. They have never been told that they are wrong when they run around in a restaurant creating chaos for everyone around them. or never been told no when they wanted something. or existing without rules because "think of the children" or trying to correct some perceived wrong of their own parents(like being told no). Parents people have fallen into the trap of being their child's friend, and putting their child on a pedestal.
We are raising children that have no concept of how to behave like adults, and live in the real world.
Just my view on it though.
I'd put that mainly on the boomers to be honest. And also to be fair, not all people raise their kids like that. I don't allow my kids to create chaos because frankly, it's embarrassing. I don't like when they scream. Screaming is for if someone's trying to abduct your. I will agree that many parents can't differentiate bring stern enough to keep their kids under control, and child abuse you have to worry that some new age asshole is going to call child services on you if your kid has a fit and you drag his ass outside by the arm.
I'd put that mainly on the boomers to be honest. And also to be fair, not all people raise their kids like that. I don't allow my kids to create chaos because frankly, it's embarrassing. I don't like when they scream. Screaming is for if someone's trying to abduct your. I will agree that many parents can't differentiate bring stern enough to keep their kids under control, and child abuse you have to worry that some new age asshole is going to call child services on you if your kid has a fit and you drag his ass outside by the arm.
So your parents were boomers no doubt.
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I'd put that mainly on the boomers to be honest. And also to be fair, not all people raise their kids like that. I don't allow my kids to create chaos because frankly, it's embarrassing. I don't like when they scream. Screaming is for if someone's trying to abduct your. I will agree that many parents can't differentiate bring stern enough to keep their kids under control, and child abuse you have to worry that some new age asshole is going to call child services on you if your kid has a fit and you drag his ass outside by the arm.
So your parents were boomers no doubt.
So your parents were boomers no doubt.
Baby boomers are the first generation I know of where divorces were just as commonplace as marriages. If that's not destructive to the family unit I don't know what is.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
Political Correctness is the Communism of the 21st Century. In theory it's a good thing, but it's manipulated and corrupted to rot society at it's core.
Props to Billy Corgan for surviving 20+ years with which appears to be terminal cancer.
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think of this...
we all came from a household - home sometime in our lives,
and hopefully for most of us the "growing up" period was without a crisis of some sort?
if you are currently raising kids, or have, the goal is the well being of that kid right?
in todays world, there are many schools of thought driven by what we learn at home-
by parents, by siblings, and are shared as a community.
But with tv and popular culture - kids are left with impressions of what is told or sold to them...
with the absence of a father figure at home, is it any wonder that there are alot of kids growing up
learning from what they see and hear apart from a nurturing home? is it good stuff?
are they angry? sadly I say yes they are - and even acting out the stuff they learn....
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So your parents were boomers no doubt.
Baby boomers are the first generation I know of where divorces were just as commonplace as marriages. If that's not destructive to the family unit I don't know what is.
Baby boomers are the first generation I know of where divorces were just as commonplace as marriages. If that's not destructive to the family unit I don't know what is.
I couldnt agree with you more....
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So your parents were boomers no doubt.
Baby boomers are the first generation I know of where divorces were just as commonplace as marriages. If that's not destructive to the family unit I don't know what is.
Baby boomers are the first generation I know of where divorces were just as commonplace as marriages. If that's not destructive to the family unit I don't know what is.
Having parents living together who hate each other and fight all the time not too good either.
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think of this...
we all came from a household - home sometime in our lives,
and hopefully for most of us the "growing up" period was without a crisis of some sort?
if you are currently raising kids, or have, the goal is the well being of that kid right?
in todays world, there are many schools of thought driven by what we learn at home-
by parents, by siblings, and are shared as a community.
But with tv and popular culture - kids are left with impressions of what is told or sold to them...
with the absence of a father figure at home, is it any wonder that there are alot of kids growing up
learning from what they see and hear apart from a nurturing home? is it good stuff?
are they angry? sadly I say yes they are - and even acting out the stuff they learn....
think of this...
we all came from a household - home sometime in our lives,
and hopefully for most of us the "growing up" period was without a crisis of some sort?
if you are currently raising kids, or have, the goal is the well being of that kid right?
in todays world, there are many schools of thought driven by what we learn at home-
by parents, by siblings, and are shared as a community.
But with tv and popular culture - kids are left with impressions of what is told or sold to them...
with the absence of a father figure at home, is it any wonder that there are alot of kids growing up
learning from what they see and hear apart from a nurturing home? is it good stuff?
are they angry? sadly I say yes they are - and even acting out the stuff they learn....
meh I really cannot agree. My mother was single for a good portion of my life, and I watched Bugs bunny cross dress and kiss men. Yet I do neither.
I watched Tom and Jerry basically kill each other with violence. Yet I am not violent.
Yes having a good family unit is nice but there is more to it then that. I was was raised in a broken home yet I know exactly how a good home operates. My mother raised me to be a responsible person and made sure that me and my brothers understood right from wrong.
A good strong father figure is nice but it is not essential. My grandfather died at a young age when he was hit by a car but my parents family came out as decent people, because my Grandmother made it a point that she had decent children.
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think of this...
we all came from a household - home sometime in our lives,
and hopefully for most of us the "growing up" period was without a crisis of some sort?
if you are currently raising kids, or have, the goal is the well being of that kid right?
in todays world, there are many schools of thought driven by what we learn at home-
by parents, by siblings, and are shared as a community.
But with tv and popular culture - kids are left with impressions of what is told or sold to them...
with the absence of a father figure at home, is it any wonder that there are alot of kids growing up
learning from what they see and hear apart from a nurturing home? is it good stuff?
are they angry? sadly I say yes they are - and even acting out the stuff they learn....
meh I really cannot agree. My mother was single for a good portion of my life, and I watched Bugs bunny cross dress and kiss men. Yet I do neither.
I watched Tom and Jerry basically kill each other with violence. Yet I am not violent.
Yes having a good family unit is nice but there is more to it then that. I was was raised in a broken home yet I know exactly how a good home operates. My mother raised me to be a responsible person and made sure that me and my brothers understood right from wrong.
A good strong father figure is nice but it is not essential. My grandfather died at a young age when he was hit by a car but my parents family came out as decent people, because my Grandmother made it a point that she had decent children.
meh I really cannot agree. My mother was single for a good portion of my life, and I watched Bugs bunny cross dress and kiss men. Yet I do neither.
I watched Tom and Jerry basically kill each other with violence. Yet I am not violent.
Yes having a good family unit is nice but there is more to it then that. I was was raised in a broken home yet I know exactly how a good home operates. My mother raised me to be a responsible person and made sure that me and my brothers understood right from wrong.
A good strong father figure is nice but it is not essential. My grandfather died at a young age when he was hit by a car but my parents family came out as decent people, because my Grandmother made it a point that she had decent children.
We have a lot in common dude.
But I think we are getting off track. Corgan is discussing how to change this. That is what I was hoping to discuss. Not really discussion the facts when we were young because quite honestly, it doesn't apply today.
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think of this...
we all came from a household - home sometime in our lives,
and hopefully for most of us the "growing up" period was without a crisis of some sort?
if you are currently raising kids, or have, the goal is the well being of that kid right?
in todays world, there are many schools of thought driven by what we learn at home-
by parents, by siblings, and are shared as a community.
But with tv and popular culture - kids are left with impressions of what is told or sold to them...
with the absence of a father figure at home, is it any wonder that there are alot of kids growing up
learning from what they see and hear apart from a nurturing home? is it good stuff?
are they angry? sadly I say yes they are - and even acting out the stuff they learn....
meh I really cannot agree. My mother was single for a good portion of my life, and I watched Bugs bunny cross dress and kiss men. Yet I do neither.
I watched Tom and Jerry basically kill each other with violence. Yet I am not violent.
Yes having a good family unit is nice but there is more to it then that. I was was raised in a broken home yet I know exactly how a good home operates. My mother raised me to be a responsible person and made sure that me and my brothers understood right from wrong.
A good strong father figure is nice but it is not essential. My grandfather died at a young age when he was hit by a car but my parents family came out as decent people, because my Grandmother made it a point that she had decent children.
meh I really cannot agree. My mother was single for a good portion of my life, and I watched Bugs bunny cross dress and kiss men. Yet I do neither.
I watched Tom and Jerry basically kill each other with violence. Yet I am not violent.
Yes having a good family unit is nice but there is more to it then that. I was was raised in a broken home yet I know exactly how a good home operates. My mother raised me to be a responsible person and made sure that me and my brothers understood right from wrong.
A good strong father figure is nice but it is not essential. My grandfather died at a young age when he was hit by a car but my parents family came out as decent people, because my Grandmother made it a point that she had decent children.
I am NOT making a value judgement on anybody - and for the most part, I remember the same cartoons....
what I am saying is the bombarding of messages in popular culture that can capture a young mind into a lifestyle that they may not be ready to
deal with... like having sex and worse-getting pregnant- because my concern is for my two daughters-
I really dont appreciate Lady GaGa or that cartoon Nicki Minaj having any influence on them-
but they do.. why? because I let them listen to their music (groan) and give them the leeway to figure it out for themselves..
all the while giving them the instruction and discpline that any good parent will do for their kids. along with forgiving them & loving them when it seems impossible to do!
like your mom and grandma did for you.
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meh I really cannot agree. My mother was single for a good portion of my life, and I watched Bugs bunny cross dress and kiss men. Yet I do neither.
I watched Tom and Jerry basically kill each other with violence. Yet I am not violent.
Yes having a good family unit is nice but there is more to it then that. I was was raised in a broken home yet I know exactly how a good home operates. My mother raised me to be a responsible person and made sure that me and my brothers understood right from wrong.
A good strong father figure is nice but it is not essential. My grandfather died at a young age when he was hit by a car but my parents family came out as decent people, because my Grandmother made it a point that she had decent children.
We have a lot in common dude.
But I think we are getting off track. Corgan is discussing how to change this. That is what I was hoping to discuss. Not really discussion the facts when we were young because quite honestly, it doesn't apply today.
We have a lot in common dude.
But I think we are getting off track. Corgan is discussing how to change this. That is what I was hoping to discuss. Not really discussion the facts when we were young because quite honestly, it doesn't apply today.
sorry, I think it was me?
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meh I really cannot agree. My mother was single for a good portion of my life, and I watched Bugs bunny cross dress and kiss men. Yet I do neither.
I watched Tom and Jerry basically kill each other with violence. Yet I am not violent.
Yes having a good family unit is nice but there is more to it then that. I was was raised in a broken home yet I know exactly how a good home operates. My mother raised me to be a responsible person and made sure that me and my brothers understood right from wrong.
A good strong father figure is nice but it is not essential. My grandfather died at a young age when he was hit by a car but my parents family came out as decent people, because my Grandmother made it a point that she had decent children.
I am NOT making a value judgement on anybody - and for the most part, I remember the same cartoons....
what I am saying is the bombarding of messages in popular culture that can capture a young mind into a lifestyle that they may not be ready to
deal with... like having sex and worse-getting pregnant- because my concern is for my two daughters-
I really dont appreciate Lady GaGa or that cartoon Nicki Minaj having any influence on them-
but they do.. why? because I let them listen to their music (groan) and give them the leeway to figure it out for themselves..
all the while giving them the instruction and discpline that any good parent will do for their kids. along with forgiving them & loving them when it seems impossible to do!
like your mom and grandma did for you.
I am NOT making a value judgement on anybody - and for the most part, I remember the same cartoons....
what I am saying is the bombarding of messages in popular culture that can capture a young mind into a lifestyle that they may not be ready to
deal with... like having sex and worse-getting pregnant- because my concern is for my two daughters-
I really dont appreciate Lady GaGa or that cartoon Nicki Minaj having any influence on them-
but they do.. why? because I let them listen to their music (groan) and give them the leeway to figure it out for themselves..
all the while giving them the instruction and discpline that any good parent will do for their kids. along with forgiving them & loving them when it seems impossible to do!
like your mom and grandma did for you.
The point of my tangent is that we have always had negative influences around us but we had a breakdown somewhere along the way. I feel that a lot has to do with people unwilling to discipline their children. Our parents told us we did wrong and corrected us. When we seen something we did not understand they explained it to us best they could(sex is big on this list). Some of the kids now do not have that and those negative influences take hold.
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meh I really cannot agree. My mother was single for a good portion of my life, and I watched Bugs bunny cross dress and kiss men. Yet I do neither.
I watched Tom and Jerry basically kill each other with violence. Yet I am not violent.
Yes having a good family unit is nice but there is more to it then that. I was was raised in a broken home yet I know exactly how a good home operates. My mother raised me to be a responsible person and made sure that me and my brothers understood right from wrong.
A good strong father figure is nice but it is not essential. My grandfather died at a young age when he was hit by a car but my parents family came out as decent people, because my Grandmother made it a point that she had decent children.
I am NOT making a value judgement on anybody - and for the most part, I remember the same cartoons....
what I am saying is the bombarding of messages in popular culture that can capture a young mind into a lifestyle that they may not be ready to
deal with... like having sex and worse-getting pregnant- because my concern is for my two daughters-
I really dont appreciate Lady GaGa or that cartoon Nicki Minaj having any influence on them-
but they do.. why? because I let them listen to their music (groan) and give them the leeway to figure it out for themselves..
all the while giving them the instruction and discpline that any good parent will do for their kids. along with forgiving them & loving them when it seems impossible to do!
like your mom and grandma did for you.
I am NOT making a value judgement on anybody - and for the most part, I remember the same cartoons....
what I am saying is the bombarding of messages in popular culture that can capture a young mind into a lifestyle that they may not be ready to
deal with... like having sex and worse-getting pregnant- because my concern is for my two daughters-
I really dont appreciate Lady GaGa or that cartoon Nicki Minaj having any influence on them-
but they do.. why? because I let them listen to their music (groan) and give them the leeway to figure it out for themselves..
all the while giving them the instruction and discpline that any good parent will do for their kids. along with forgiving them & loving them when it seems impossible to do!
like your mom and grandma did for you.
I can't speak to having kids man (I never will never), I don't profess to know what it is like to be a parent. But I think the point is they cannot figure it out for themselves. I guess growing up with all older bros and sisters helped, I was able to buy my first album, The Police, Synchronicity at 5 and know all the lyrics to Ride the Lightening and The Misfits at 9. But that was art man. Maybe I didn't know it, but you listen to the music and not worry what beer James Hetfield is drinking. Now it a bombardment or who give a fuck. Even MTV barley did that, maybe an hourly update in the mid 90's. Head bangers ball once a week.
I don't know...
Luck is Tim Couch. Big, Dumb Goofy, slow thinking QB - Ghoolie, 2-28-12 -
i think I drove my parents crazy with Alice Cooper too....
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meh I really cannot agree. My mother was single for a good portion of my life, and I watched Bugs bunny cross dress and kiss men. Yet I do neither.
I watched Tom and Jerry basically kill each other with violence. Yet I am not violent.
Yes having a good family unit is nice but there is more to it then that. I was was raised in a broken home yet I know exactly how a good home operates. My mother raised me to be a responsible person and made sure that me and my brothers understood right from wrong.
A good strong father figure is nice but it is not essential. My grandfather died at a young age when he was hit by a car but my parents family came out as decent people, because my Grandmother made it a point that she had decent children.
We have a lot in common dude.
But I think we are getting off track. Corgan is discussing how to change this. That is what I was hoping to discuss. Not really discussion the facts when we were young because quite honestly, it doesn't apply today.
We have a lot in common dude.
But I think we are getting off track. Corgan is discussing how to change this. That is what I was hoping to discuss. Not really discussion the facts when we were young because quite honestly, it doesn't apply today.
Yeah we did get pretty off track. I for the most part agree with his assessment of our media and politicians.
I am going to expand a bit on his comment about anti family television. I don't see that as an agenda being pushed so much as a reflection of our society. since so many are able to identify with broken homes, media has just followed.
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I was a rebel as a teen.
My music?
I listened to my Beatles Rubber Soul album on 78 speed on our old record player,
so they sounded like the Three Chipmunks.
I lived on the edge. But that gaga tramp =- just plain nasty and mind warping.
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I was a rebel as a teen.
My music?
I listened to my Beatles Rubber Soul album on 78 speed on our old record player,
so they sounded like the Three Chipmunks.
I lived on the edge. But that gaga tramp =- just plain nasty and mind warping.
I was a rebel as a teen.
My music?
I listened to my Beatles Rubber Soul album on 78 speed on our old record player,
so they sounded like the Three Chipmunks.
I lived on the edge. But that gaga tramp =- just plain nasty and mind warping.
Cal, I listened to that album yesterday.
Luck is Tim Couch. Big, Dumb Goofy, slow thinking QB - Ghoolie, 2-28-12 -
I am NOT making a value judgement on anybody - and for the most part, I remember the same cartoons....
what I am saying is the bombarding of messages in popular culture that can capture a young mind into a lifestyle that they may not be ready to
deal with... like having sex and worse-getting pregnant- because my concern is for my two daughters-
I really dont appreciate Lady GaGa or that cartoon Nicki Minaj having any influence on them-
but they do.. why? because I let them listen to their music (groan) and give them the leeway to figure it out for themselves..
all the while giving them the instruction and discpline that any good parent will do for their kids. along with forgiving them & loving them when it seems impossible to do!
like your mom and grandma did for you.
I can't speak to having kids man (I never will never), I don't profess to know what it is like to be a parent. But I think the point is they cannot figure it out for themselves. I guess growing up with all older bros and sisters helped, I was able to buy my first album, The Police, Synchronicity at 5 and know all the lyrics to Ride the Lightening and The Misfits at 9. But that was art man. Maybe I didn't know it, but you listen to the music and not worry what beer James Hetfield is drinking. Now it a bombardment or who give a fuck. Even MTV barley did that, maybe an hourly update in the mid 90's. Head bangers ball once a week.
I don't know...
I can't speak to having kids man (I never will never), I don't profess to know what it is like to be a parent. But I think the point is they cannot figure it out for themselves. I guess growing up with all older bros and sisters helped, I was able to buy my first album, The Police, Synchronicity at 5 and know all the lyrics to Ride the Lightening and The Misfits at 9. But that was art man. Maybe I didn't know it, but you listen to the music and not worry what beer James Hetfield is drinking. Now it a bombardment or who give a fuck. Even MTV barley did that, maybe an hourly update in the mid 90's. Head bangers ball once a week.
I don't know...
I respect your choice, but honestly I think you're missing out. In the early '00s I was the guy that said I'd never have kids but I'm glad I was wrong. It's our biological imperative, for one, our only real purpose in life, but above and beyond that, its the most real, most satisfying love there is. It's cool, I'm not telling you what you should be doing but I'm glad I made the choices I did.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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