Mandatory Sentencing
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A few thoughts:
First the libertarian in me thinks the drug laws are stupid in the first place.
The authoritarian says if you can't do the time, don't do the crime.
The cynic says that it makes sense the trial lawyers hate mandatory sentences because a big payoff for them can usually get a criminal of the hook.
Also when you replace actual punishment with big fine the legal system becomes a cash cow, which it is already.
And my combative side shakes his head and wonders were you were when the thousands of innocent people, women and children are raped beaten robbed and murdered by animals who have been let go by some bleeding heart asshole judge.
WSS
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so a street corner heroin dealer deserves a fine and probation? This guy is guilty of the same thing. So the rules shouldn't be different because he peddled oxycontin instead of Heroin. 25 years mandatory is crazy, but he doesn't get off with a fine and probation because he had a prescription for it. Sorry that's not how the world works. Drug dealing is drug dealing is drug dealing. Like I said, he sure didn't do it for sympathy. He did it for money and he's in a hole he dug himself into. I have no sympathy for him.
I do. Even under the worst reading of what he's done he's still not done anything terribly serious, and certainly nothing worth ruining his life for. But that's what we do in the name of "getting tough on drugs." We ruin lots of lives.
And yes, I think a street corner heroin dealer deserves a stiff fine and no jail time for a first offense. If there's no violence involved, and you're not caught selling to minors, it should not land you in jail. You should be fined and put on probation.
I do. Even under the worst reading of what he's done he's still not done anything terribly serious, and certainly nothing worth ruining his life for. But that's what we do in the name of "getting tough on drugs." We ruin lots of lives.
And yes, I think a street corner heroin dealer deserves a stiff fine and no jail time for a first offense. If there's no violence involved, and you're not caught selling to minors, it should not land you in jail. You should be fined and put on probation.
I'm pretty sure that already happens. The prisons are already overcrowded as are the jails. In Cleveland and I'm sure LA the police won't even put you in jail or enforce a misdemeanor warrant. Only felonies. No room or they have to use a suburban jail and pay for it.
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Just as an aside, Heck don't you realize you are unfairly targeting the poor with fines?
Victimizing the members of society who are least able to afford it!
Oh the humanity!
WSS
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Man, you are a garden variety Republican crank.
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Man, you are a garden variety Republican crank.
Man, you are a garden variety Republican crank.
And yet completely and absolutely correct.
Ironic aint it?
WSS
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Haha. Yes, the crank always thinks he's right. That's part of what makes him a crank.
I can't remember the last time I thought you were right or insightful about anything. You're just a really poor summarizer with a knack for logical fallacies. It's tough to be right when your assumptions are always wrong.
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I do. Even under the worst reading of what he's done he's still not done anything terribly serious, and certainly nothing worth ruining his life for. But that's what we do in the name of "getting tough on drugs." We ruin lots of lives.
And yes, I think a street corner heroin dealer deserves a stiff fine and no jail time for a first offense. If there's no violence involved, and you're not caught selling to minors, it should not land you in jail. You should be fined and put on probation.
I'm pretty sure that already happens. The prisons are already overcrowded as are the jails. In Cleveland and I'm sure LA the police won't even put you in jail or enforce a misdemeanor warrant. Only felonies. No room or they have to use a suburban jail and pay for it.
I'm pretty sure that already happens. The prisons are already overcrowded as are the jails. In Cleveland and I'm sure LA the police won't even put you in jail or enforce a misdemeanor warrant. Only felonies. No room or they have to use a suburban jail and pay for it.
Well, here are the Ohio drug laws. See if you can find what you're looking for in here. I tried to post it but it wouldn't let me. Said I was using too many emoticons.
Seriously, start reading in there and try not to imagine you're in a Joseph Heller novel.
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REACT: Megyn Kelly, Michelle Malkin Take On Columbia for Hiring Ex-Radical Kathy Boudin as Professor
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Columbia University has sparked outrage by giving a prestigious professorship to a former Weather Underground radical who spent 22 years in prison for a 1981 robbery that left three people dead.
Kathy Boudin, 69, now holds an adjunct professorship at Columbia University’s School of Social Work, The New York Post reported today. She apparently teaches courses on convicts re-entering society.
A movie by Robert Redford, “The Company You Keep,” also starring Susan Sarandon, is loosely based on the $1.6 million heist and will be released in a week. Two police officers and a Brinks security guard were killed in the robbery.
Megyn Kelly discussed the latest controversy surrounding an American university with Fox News contributor Michelle Malkin, who said colleges in this country are increasingly turning into “cesspools of tenured radicalization and rationalization for left-wing domestic violence.”
She said people need to take notice of how colleges and Hollywood are “whitewashing” the violent acts of the Weather Underground and other left-wing groups.
Megyn pointed out that O.J. Simpson and Casey Anthony were acquitted of murder, but punished in the court of public opinion, while Boudin is now teaching Ivy League students.
“She can admit to killing three law enforcement officers, serve 22 years in prison for it, and Columbia University gives her a prestigious job!” said Kelly.
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Haha. Yes, the crank always thinks he's right. That's part of what makes him a crank.
I can't remember the last time I thought you were right or insightful about anything. You're just a really poor summarizer with a knack for logical fallacies. It's tough to be right when your assumptions are always wrong.
Haha. Yes, the crank always thinks he's right. That's part of what makes him a crank.
I can't remember the last time I thought you were right or insightful about anything. You're just a really poor summarizer with a knack for logical fallacies. It's tough to be right when your assumptions are always wrong.
Well seeing as how you have been reduced to nothing more than ad hominem attacks I guess I'm not all that crushed.
Bite my crank matey.
WSS
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Oh, dear God. That's not an example of an ad hominem attack. But I guess the guy who includes a logical fallacy in just about every post wouldn't know one when he sees one.
Go back and find any the dozens of "Of course you would say that because you're an Obama bootlicker" posts.
There. That's the ad hominem fallacy.
Someone who takes every thread about the legal system and brings it back to a bitch about trial lawyers and liberal judges; who takes every every discussion about voting rights and takes it back to illiterate blacks on welfare, food stamp, and drugs; who takes every thread about global warming and brings it back to Al Gore; who took a thread about income inequality and suggested liberals want everyone to make the same amount of money, and I could go on ...yes, this is garden variety Republican crankery.
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Here are Ohio's drug sentencing guidelines, including mandatory sentences.
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Well I may or may not have used the word buttlicker still I'd say attacking me as a crank or asshole or whatever, (which is usually the height of your wit) , count as an attack on my character.
Lets try this: and that is because you are an arrogant dickhead.
Voila
But I understand your position. you are more angry that heroin dealers get 1 president terms then you are about child killers be released.
I have not seen any polls but I assume child rapists and murderers vote Democrat?
WSS
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Geez. And you wonder why you never made it big.
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You do realize that people get sentenced in the absence of mandatory sentencing, right? And that's why your cheap personal attack only makes you look dim?
Cal will like it though. Congrats.
PS - This? "But I understand your position. you are more angry that heroin dealers get 1 president terms then you are about child killers be released." Is a nice example of this.
You are a fucking machine.
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You do realize that people get sentenced in the absence of mandatory sentencing, right? And that's why your cheap personal attack only makes you look dim?
Cal will like it though. Congrats.
PS - This? "But I understand your position. you are more angry that heroin dealers get 1 president terms then you are about child killers be released." Is a nice example of this.
You are a fucking machine.
You do realize that people get sentenced in the absence of mandatory sentencing, right? And that's why your cheap personal attack only makes you look dim?
Cal will like it though. Congrats.
PS - This? "But I understand your position. you are more angry that heroin dealers get 1 president terms then you are about child killers be released." Is a nice example of this.
You are a fucking machine.
Perhaps Bill is in a state of suspended animation neither technically dead or alive. Far out.
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You do realize that people get sentenced in the absence of mandatory sentencing, right? And that's why your cheap personal attack only makes you look dim?
Cal will like it though. Congrats.
PS - This? "But I understand your position. you are more angry that heroin dealers get 1 president terms then you are about child killers be released." Is a nice example of this.
You are a fucking machine.
Perhaps Bill is in a state of suspended animation neither technically dead or alive. Far out.
Perhaps Bill is in a state of suspended animation neither technically dead or alive. Far out.
Like Terri Schiavo.
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You do realize that people get sentenced in the absence of mandatory sentencing, right? And that's why your cheap personal attack only makes you look dim?
Cal will like it though. Congrats.
PS - This? "But I understand your position. you are more angry that heroin dealers get 1 president terms then you are about child killers be released." Is a nice example of this.
You are a fucking machine.
Perhaps Bill is in a state of suspended animation neither technically dead or alive. Far out.
Perhaps Bill is in a state of suspended animation neither technically dead or alive. Far out.
Bill?
WSS
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Perhaps Bill is in a state of suspended animation neither technically dead or alive. Far out.
Bill?
WSS
Bill?
WSS
Heck's logical fallacy link
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Oh, dear God. That's not an example of an ad hominem attack. But I guess the guy who includes a logical fallacy in just about every post wouldn't know one when he sees one.
Go back and find any the dozens of "Of course you would say that because you're an Obama bootlicker" posts.
There. That's the ad hominem fallacy.
Someone who takes every thread about the legal system and brings it back to a bitch about trial lawyers and liberal judges; who takes every every discussion about voting rights and takes it back to illiterate blacks on welfare, food stamp, and drugs; who takes every thread about global warming and brings it back to Al Gore; who took a thread about income inequality and suggested liberals want everyone to make the same amount of money, and I could go on ...yes, this is garden variety Republican crankery.
Oh, dear God. That's not an example of an ad hominem attack. But I guess the guy who includes a logical fallacy in just about every post wouldn't know one when he sees one.
Go back and find any the dozens of "Of course you would say that because you're an Obama bootlicker" posts.
There. That's the ad hominem fallacy.
Someone who takes every thread about the legal system and brings it back to a bitch about trial lawyers and liberal judges; who takes every every discussion about voting rights and takes it back to illiterate blacks on welfare, food stamp, and drugs; who takes every thread about global warming and brings it back to Al Gore; who took a thread about income inequality and suggested liberals want everyone to make the same amount of money, and I could go on ...yes, this is garden variety Republican crankery.
So because I unfortunately overestimated your knowledge I went back and looked up ad hominem to make sure I was using it correctly.
Yes indeed attacking my character instead of responding to what I have to say is certainly an ad hominem attack.
So your constant attacks on me being Oh, dim or unsuccessful or a Republican crank or any of the other dozens of nice things you have to say most certainly fall into that category.
And unfortunately the example went over your head, remember the arrogant d******* remark?
Now do you understand?
But I understand it's part of your shtick to be arrogant condescending not only to me but most others.
As far as mandatory sentences Cal is completely right.
It did grow out of the misdeeds of many of your liberal judges.
It occurs to me that a common thread among many conservative shows is pointing out cases of liberal judges letting child molesters out early only to rape and kill again.
So as a society we were forced to institute minimum sentencing. Most people think drugs are a more serious problem than I do. Oh well.
I won't go so far as to say you support that but it is pretty obvious the first time its moved to you to make a post is when a heroin dealer gets a stiffer settings than you think he deserved.
I have yet to hear you speak of those actually innocent people victimized by violent criminals who were let out early at the discretion of the court.
WSS
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Geez. And you wonder why you never made it big. heckbunker
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I thought you were "mr know-it-all", heckbunker. You're the arrogant twit who always disregards people
you pretend that you can't have "serious conversations with". And yet, you resort to the crap that
the worst on this board, historically, resort to. That is, resorting to twisted, immature bouts of pouting,
unjustified "offense", and cya all over the place.
What, you would like to bite Steve's ear or something?
Or, just throw a rock when we aren't looking? So much for "mr know it all". More like "mr bs it all"
You can't win, you apparently are unable to justify your arrogance, so you go pouty-pouty mode?
Yeesh. You are serious, too.
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