Cispa Passed The House Yesterday
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It's been a crazy busy news week, let's not forget about this important legislation.
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/04/opinion-meeks-cispa-cyber/
CISPA is changing at the margins but it still has four major problems:
- An overly broad, almost unlimited definition of the information can be shared with government agencies. And because that info is shared “notwithstanding any law,” CISPA trumps any federal or state privacy law that currently prohibits disclosure.
- Enactment is likely to lead to expansion of the government’s role in the monitoring of private communications.
- It could shift control of government cybersecurity efforts from civilian agencies to the NSA.
- It creates a backdoor wiretap program because the information shared with the government isn’t limited to just cybersecurity, but could also be used for other purposes, such as law enforcement or by intelligence agencies.
Obama said he'd veto it if it gets to him. Think he'll still do it after this week?
Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.
It's been a crazy busy news week, let's not forget about this important legislation.
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/04/opinion-meeks-cispa-cyber/
Obama said he'd veto it if it gets to him. Think he'll still do it after this week?
Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.
But they won't use it for just randomly checking normal citizens.
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despite my distrust of the Obama administration I don't have much problem with expanding the powers of surveillance. I think usually those who fight the hardest against it probably have something to hide. I understand that.as two be silly Ben Franklin quote, fellas, we've done that years ago. That horse has left the barn.
just recently the authorities were questioning hardware and electronics stores about who may have purchased parts to make the bombs in Boston. Fine.and yet if someone suggests going through library records to see who has checked out books on bomb making recently some of you guys flip.
WSS
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The horse is only looking out of the window, Steve.
That's no reason to take the barn walls down, and tear down the pasture fence.
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If you say so.
Personally I think we are as free as the ruling class allows us to be.
We can say do whatever we wish as long as they deem it to be politically correct.
And I don't know which of the Bill of Rights exists without a disclaimer.
Also I'd wager its not a big task to find out what ever the government wants anyway.
Also amazon.com and Google probably have a bigger dossier on us than anybody at the FBI.
WSS
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It's been a crazy busy news week, let's not forget about this important legislation.
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/04/opinion-meeks-cispa-cyber/
CISPA is changing at the margins but it still has four major problems:
- An overly broad, almost unlimited definition of the information can be shared with government agencies. And because that info is shared “notwithstanding any law,” CISPA trumps any federal or state privacy law that currently prohibits disclosure.
- Enactment is likely to lead to expansion of the government’s role in the monitoring of private communications.
- It could shift control of government cybersecurity efforts from civilian agencies to the NSA.
- It creates a backdoor wiretap program because the information shared with the government isn’t limited to just cybersecurity, but could also be used for other purposes, such as law enforcement or by intelligence agencies.
Obama said he'd veto it if it gets to him. Think he'll still do it after this week?
Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.
damn it vapor I can't figure you out, that's something someone extremely conservative like me would sayIt's been a crazy busy news week, let's not forget about this important legislation.
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/04/opinion-meeks-cispa-cyber/
Obama said he'd veto it if it gets to him. Think he'll still do it after this week?
Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.
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Vapor is liberal in some views and conservative in others.
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I lean Democrat on social and fiscal issues, I'm probably the farthest left on the board for these topics. For homeland security, national defense, and foreign policy I strongly align with the Libertarian party. For the most part, I think the Constitution kicks ass, and I'd like to see that we adhere to it whenever possible.
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Oh man that just opens thousands of questions up. Liberal on social issues but a constitutionalist, very interesting. First question, totally random. Abortion: constitutional or not? I'm going to have to start a new thread for all the questions I would have for a liberal leaning believer in the constitution lol
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He appears to be a big fan of abortion, so ill guess his answer is thumbs up. Constitutional. I personally think the constitution is exactly as useful as the bible. I'll let you decide how useful that is.
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Well that's about as odd of a statement as I've ever heard. I'll assume that you believe the constitution is useless, which it will be sometime in my life if the Supreme Court has anything to do with it. I don't get what why you would relate it to the bible. The bible being useful depends completely on the reader. The constitution being useful depends on which judge is interpreting it. After typing that I'm starting to see your point in a weird way
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Abortion isn't in the Constitution so in theory it should fall to the states to decide. I, however, have a problem with the government trying to take away a woman's right to choose.
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I would disagree that it is not covered in the constitution. No one shall be deprived of life without due process would be my argument. But I also believe that an unborn child once conceived is a human being with human rights. Not everyone sees it that way
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I would disagree that it is not covered in the constitution. No one shall be deprived of life without due process would be my argument. But I also believe that an unborn child once conceived is a human being with human rights. Not everyone sees it that way
I would disagree that it is not covered in the constitution. No one shall be deprived of life without due process would be my argument. But I also believe that an unborn child once conceived is a human being with human rights. Not everyone sees it that way
I don't think a clump of a two then 4 the 8 cells is a human being.
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He appears to be a big fan of abortion, so ill guess his answer is thumbs up. Constitutional. I personally think the constitution is exactly as useful as the bible. I'll let you decide how useful that is.
He appears to be a big fan of abortion, so ill guess his answer is thumbs up. Constitutional. I personally think the constitution is exactly as useful as the bible. I'll let you decide how useful that is.
Cysko... no one is a fan of abortion...
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I would disagree that it is not covered in the constitution. No one shall be deprived of life without due process would be my argument. But I also believe that an unborn child once conceived is a human being with human rights. Not everyone sees it that way
I don't think a clump of a two then 4 the 8 cells is a human being.
hmmm... Wonder how many times babies are aborted when they are only a clump of 8 cells, but again that is the argument... When does life begin. Ever heard of late term abortions? Look at what planned parenthood is advocating these days, might surprise youI don't think a clump of a two then 4 the 8 cells is a human being.
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Is murder unconstitutional?
yes, I'm sure you have heard people call abortion murder. Should have picked a different question lol. Just interested in your different somewhat liberal and somewhat conservative viewsIs murder unconstitutional?
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So, seriously, exactly what bad things do you think you could or would happen in our day to day lives because of this legislation?
WSS
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yes, I'm sure you have heard people call abortion murder. Should have picked a different question lol. Just interested in your different somewhat liberal and somewhat conservative viewsIs murder unconstitutional?
yes, I'm sure you have heard people call abortion murder. Should have picked a different question lol. Just interested in your different somewhat liberal and somewhat conservative views
The point I'm trying to make is neither abortion nor murder are touched on by the Constitution. You mentioned "life without due process" but that's in the amendment pertaining to the rights of those who are being tried for crimes.
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So, seriously, exactly what bad things do you think you could or would happen in our day to day lives because of this legislation?
WSS
So, seriously, exactly what bad things do you think you could or would happen in our day to day lives because of this legislation?
WSS
I see where you are coming from and you are right, probably nothing.
But it's the principle, CISPA is an invasion of privacy. And who knows what it could snowball into, best to nip it in the bud.
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