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Cispa Passed The House Yesterday

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  • If you say so.

    Personally I think we are as free as the ruling class allows us to be.

    We can say do whatever we wish as long as they deem it to be politically correct.

    And I don't know which of the Bill of Rights exists without a disclaimer.

    Also I'd wager its not a big task to find out what ever the government wants anyway.

    Also amazon.com and Google probably have a bigger dossier on us than anybody at the FBI.

    WSS

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  • VaporTrailV VaporTrail

    It's been a crazy busy news week, let's not forget about this important legislation.

    http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/04/opinion-meeks-cispa-cyber/

    CISPA is changing at the margins but it still has four major problems:
    • An overly broad, almost unlimited definition of the information can be shared with government agencies. And because that info is shared “notwithstanding any law,” CISPA trumps any federal or state privacy law that currently prohibits disclosure.
    • Enactment is likely to lead to expansion of the government’s role in the monitoring of private communications.
    • It could shift control of government cybersecurity efforts from civilian agencies to the NSA.
    • It creates a backdoor wiretap program because the information shared with the government isn’t limited to just cybersecurity, but could also be used for other purposes, such as law enforcement or by intelligence agencies.

    Obama said he'd veto it if it gets to him. Think he'll still do it after this week?

    Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

    @vaportrail said:

    It's been a crazy busy news week, let's not forget about this important legislation.

    http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/04/opinion-meeks-cispa-cyber/

    Obama said he'd veto it if it gets to him. Think he'll still do it after this week?

    Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

    damn it vapor I can't figure you out, that's something someone extremely conservative like me would say

  • Vapor is liberal in some views and conservative in others.

    "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.

  • I lean Democrat on social and fiscal issues, I'm probably the farthest left on the board for these topics. For homeland security, national defense, and foreign policy I strongly align with the Libertarian party. For the most part, I think the Constitution kicks ass, and I'd like to see that we adhere to it whenever possible.

  • Oh man that just opens thousands of questions up. Liberal on social issues but a constitutionalist, very interesting. First question, totally random. Abortion: constitutional or not? I'm going to have to start a new thread for all the questions I would have for a liberal leaning believer in the constitution lol

  • He appears to be a big fan of abortion, so ill guess his answer is thumbs up. Constitutional. I personally think the constitution is exactly as useful as the bible. I'll let you decide how useful that is.

    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
    MLD WoodyM 1 Reply

  • Well that's about as odd of a statement as I've ever heard. I'll assume that you believe the constitution is useless, which it will be sometime in my life if the Supreme Court has anything to do with it. I don't get what why you would relate it to the bible. The bible being useful depends completely on the reader. The constitution being useful depends on which judge is interpreting it. After typing that I'm starting to see your point in a weird way

    T 1 Reply

  • Abortion isn't in the Constitution so in theory it should fall to the states to decide. I, however, have a problem with the government trying to take away a woman's right to choose.

  • I would disagree that it is not covered in the constitution. No one shall be deprived of life without due process would be my argument. But I also believe that an unborn child once conceived is a human being with human rights. Not everyone sees it that way

    MLD WoodyM 1 Reply

  • Is murder unconstitutional?

    ComeonmanC 1 Reply
  • ComeonmanC Comeonman

    I would disagree that it is not covered in the constitution. No one shall be deprived of life without due process would be my argument. But I also believe that an unborn child once conceived is a human being with human rights. Not everyone sees it that way

    @comeonman said:

    I would disagree that it is not covered in the constitution. No one shall be deprived of life without due process would be my argument. But I also believe that an unborn child once conceived is a human being with human rights. Not everyone sees it that way

    I don't think a clump of a two then 4 the 8 cells is a human being.

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
    ComeonmanC 1 Reply
  • T The Cysko Kid

    He appears to be a big fan of abortion, so ill guess his answer is thumbs up. Constitutional. I personally think the constitution is exactly as useful as the bible. I'll let you decide how useful that is.

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    He appears to be a big fan of abortion, so ill guess his answer is thumbs up. Constitutional. I personally think the constitution is exactly as useful as the bible. I'll let you decide how useful that is.

    Cysko... no one is a fan of abortion...

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

    @comeonman said:

    I would disagree that it is not covered in the constitution. No one shall be deprived of life without due process would be my argument. But I also believe that an unborn child once conceived is a human being with human rights. Not everyone sees it that way

    I don't think a clump of a two then 4 the 8 cells is a human being.

    @mld-woody said:

    I don't think a clump of a two then 4 the 8 cells is a human being.

    hmmm... Wonder how many times babies are aborted when they are only a clump of 8 cells, but again that is the argument... When does life begin. Ever heard of late term abortions? Look at what planned parenthood is advocating these days, might surprise you
    MLD WoodyM 1 Reply
  • VaporTrailV VaporTrail

    Is murder unconstitutional?

    @vaportrail said:

    Is murder unconstitutional?

    yes, I'm sure you have heard people call abortion murder. Should have picked a different question lol. Just interested in your different somewhat liberal and somewhat conservative views
    VaporTrailV 1 Reply

  • So, seriously, exactly what bad things do you think you could or would happen in our day to day lives because of this legislation?

    WSS

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  • ComeonmanC Comeonman

    @vaportrail said:

    Is murder unconstitutional?

    yes, I'm sure you have heard people call abortion murder. Should have picked a different question lol. Just interested in your different somewhat liberal and somewhat conservative views

    @comeonman said:

    yes, I'm sure you have heard people call abortion murder. Should have picked a different question lol. Just interested in your different somewhat liberal and somewhat conservative views

    The point I'm trying to make is neither abortion nor murder are touched on by the Constitution. You mentioned "life without due process" but that's in the amendment pertaining to the rights of those who are being tried for crimes.

  • W Westside Steve

    So, seriously, exactly what bad things do you think you could or would happen in our day to day lives because of this legislation?

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    So, seriously, exactly what bad things do you think you could or would happen in our day to day lives because of this legislation?

    WSS

    I see where you are coming from and you are right, probably nothing.

    But it's the principle, CISPA is an invasion of privacy. And who knows what it could snowball into, best to nip it in the bud.

    "All Truth Passes Through Three stages. First, It Is Ridiculed, Second It Is Violently Opposed, And Third, It Is Accepted As Self-Evident" ~Arthur Schopenhauer
  • W Westside Steve

    So, seriously, exactly what bad things do you think you could or would happen in our day to day lives because of this legislation?

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    So, seriously, exactly what bad things do you think you could or would happen in our day to day lives because of this legislation?

    WSS

    Vague wording. The language of the bill allows ISPs to determine anyone's traffic is a risk to their network, and can hand your data to the government or put a hold on your account at will. CISPA isn't going to make it any tougher to be a cyber-criminal, it just adds risk to law abiding citizens. This bill makes your information obtainable to the government without a warrant. You might not have a problem with that, but I do.

  • maybe fan is inaccurate, but he's certainly not a foe of it

    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
    MLD WoodyM 1 Reply
  • ComeonmanC Comeonman

    Well that's about as odd of a statement as I've ever heard. I'll assume that you believe the constitution is useless, which it will be sometime in my life if the Supreme Court has anything to do with it. I don't get what why you would relate it to the bible. The bible being useful depends completely on the reader. The constitution being useful depends on which judge is interpreting it. After typing that I'm starting to see your point in a weird way

    @comeonman said:

    Well that's about as odd of a statement as I've ever heard. I'll assume that you believe the constitution is useless, which it will be sometime in my life if the Supreme Court has anything to do with it. I don't get what why you would relate it to the bible. The bible being useful depends completely on the reader. The constitution being useful depends on which judge is interpreting it. After typing that I'm starting to see your point in a weird way

    Not at all, not at all. I believe the Bible has a lot of merit, but to sit there and lean on it and call it the absolute doctrine of god that must be followed to the letter is just plain silly. Frankly the Constitution is much the same. It has undeniable merit, but to look to it 250 years later as an absolute is foolish.

    By the way that's not that odd of a statement, especially around here. And don't worry, a lot of people don't know what the hell to make of a lot of things I say.

    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
    MLD WoodyM 1 Reply
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