We Turned Down Offer To Trade Down With Rams
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When you can trade down and still get the top guy on your board, you do that. We could have, we didn't.
That is a failure.
Can't say that for sure, suppose we had traded down and Pittsburgh or Baltimore traded up to take Mingo? Then everyone would be mad and saying Mingo is the next great thing.
Can't say that for sure, suppose we had traded down and Pittsburgh or Baltimore traded up to take Mingo? Then everyone would be mad and saying Mingo is the next great thing.
Then we would have weakened a division rivals draft spending potential and then gotten Jones, and most of you guys are already saying that about him anyway.
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Zombo said:
Trading down in the first round is for Homos. Take the top guy on your board. We did that.
Z
When you can trade down and still get the top guy on your board, you do that. We could have, we didn't.
That is a failure.
When you can trade down and still get the top guy on your board, you do that. We could have, we didn't.
That is a failure.
There's no guarentee that if we had traded down that he would still be there. It's likely but no way of knowing for sure. I like and respect the fact that he was the guy our front office wanted and when he's still available when we're on the clock they mad the choice. Whether it was the right choice or not remains to be seen but until this front office proves to be incompetant, I'm going to trust that they know more about the players than I do.
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Jets (3-4, 2 picks, #1 starting CB- Cromartie, Kyle Wilson) wouldn't pass up Milliner after trading Revis. Especially when their recent experiences with undersized pass rushers haven't turned out favorably.@mike-h said:
Jets (3-4, 2 picks) need a pass rusher, worked out Mingo.
Saints need a pass rusher (3-4, pick 15)
Either of those teams would have taken Mingo before 16.
Saints (3-4, pick 15) were equally high on both Jones and Mingo. Could have gone either way, but the point is that one of the two would have been available.
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Wilson was drafted 1st round and Antonio is a great qb, something has to give there. My bet is they are expecting Antonio to leave, so they drafted Millner. However Millner is no where near the DB we missed last year in Claiborne.Millner way be really good, but Revis and Haden good, we will see.
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/kyle-wilson?id=79527
Wilson looks like the DB Mcfadden we drafted, and Wilson was a 1st rounder.
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Zombo said:
Trading down in the first round is for Homos. Take the top guy on your board. We did that.
Z
When you can trade down and still get the top guy on your board, you do that. We could have, we didn't.
That is a failure.
When you can trade down and still get the top guy on your board, you do that. We could have, we didn't.
That is a failure.
Speculation.
They said if he's there, were taking him. No guarantee he was there later. Now we sit back and see if he was worth it.
Z
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@mike-h said:
The Jets had two picks and picked a DL because they didn't like Jones. Mingo would have more than likely been the pick at 13 if he was still there.
It's not because they lost both Devito and Pouha and have a depleted defensive line. Not is it because Sheldon Richardson can play in any of the defensive fronts that Ryan uses.
It's because they didn't like Jarvis Jones. That's the reason. The Jets have a bad history with pass rushing tweeners and roster of pass rushing specialists taken in the last couple years, I doubt they were going to add another.
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The Jets were going to select Barkevious Mingo w/the 13th pick. If you would've traded down you'd probably have Jarvis Jones.
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The Jets were going to select Barkevious Mingo w/the 13th pick. If you would've traded down you'd probably have Jarvis Jones.
Endymion said:
The Jets were going to select Barkevious Mingo w/the 13th pick. If you would've traded down you'd probably have Jarvis Jones.
So as a Steeler fan, what's the take over there on getting Jarvis Jones? BTW, I'm shocked we actually traded with you guys.
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Endymion said:
The Jets were going to select Barkevious Mingo w/the 13th pick. If you would've traded down you'd probably have Jarvis Jones.
So as a Steeler fan, what's the take over there on getting Jarvis Jones? BTW, I'm shocked we actually traded with you guys.
So as a Steeler fan, what's the take over there on getting Jarvis Jones? BTW, I'm shocked we actually traded with you guys.
Most of the fanbase really likes Jarvis Jones, as he fills a supposedly huge need. I'm not so crazy about him, but I hope he works out. A slow guy with back problems sounds like a guy we just cut. Linebackers typically don't start in their first year of LeBeau's system and taking a linebacker first overall to sit a year is silly. I really like Arthur Brown and they could've had him in the second round, instead. Pittsburgh needs offensive talent, Eifert, Patterson or Hunter would've been a better first round pickup and we could've got another pick trading back. I'm not shocked you traded with us. We gave up a third round pick on the expectation we would get a 3rd rounder for Mike Wallace next year. If 2013 is a down year as I kinda fear, you'll have a high third round pick for a 4th rounder this year...there's no way your franchise could've turned down an offer like that. I don't know if we really got value out of that trade pick as I don't know much about the safety they picked up. Our safety is kinda short and we've been burned by safety's labeled as "hard hitters" previously under Corbert. If he works out and eventually starts then the trade would've been worth it.
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@mike-h said:
The Jets had two picks and picked a DL because they didn't like Jones. Mingo would have more than likely been the pick at 13 if he was still there.
It's not because they lost both Devito and Pouha and have a depleted defensive line. Not is it because Sheldon Richardson can play in any of the defensive fronts that Ryan uses.
It's because they didn't like Jarvis Jones. That's the reason. The Jets have a bad history with pass rushing tweeners and roster of pass rushing specialists taken in the last couple years, I doubt they were going to add another.
It's not because they lost both Devito and Pouha and have a depleted defensive line. Not is it because Sheldon Richardson can play in any of the defensive fronts that Ryan uses.
It's because they didn't like Jarvis Jones. That's the reason. The Jets have a bad history with pass rushing tweeners and roster of pass rushing specialists taken in the last couple years, I doubt they were going to add another.
I saw enough of Jarvis Jones in college to believe he is going to be a semi-flop in the NFL. When you look at Jones you ask, "Where's the beef?" Kinda like Barky Mingo.
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So as a Steeler fan, what's the take over there on getting Jarvis Jones? BTW, I'm shocked we actually traded with you guys.
Most of the fanbase really likes Jarvis Jones, as he fills a supposedly huge need. I'm not so crazy about him, but I hope he works out. A slow guy with back problems sounds like a guy we just cut. Linebackers typically don't start in their first year of LeBeau's system and taking a linebacker first overall to sit a year is silly. I really like Arthur Brown and they could've had him in the second round, instead. Pittsburgh needs offensive talent, Eifert, Patterson or Hunter would've been a better first round pickup and we could've got another pick trading back. I'm not shocked you traded with us. We gave up a third round pick on the expectation we would get a 3rd rounder for Mike Wallace next year. If 2013 is a down year as I kinda fear, you'll have a high third round pick for a 4th rounder this year...there's no way your franchise could've turned down an offer like that. I don't know if we really got value out of that trade pick as I don't know much about the safety they picked up. Our safety is kinda short and we've been burned by safety's labeled as "hard hitters" previously under Corbert. If he works out and eventually starts then the trade would've been worth it.
Endymion said:
Most of the fanbase really likes Jarvis Jones, as he fills a supposedly huge need. I'm not so crazy about him, but I hope he works out. A slow guy with back problems sounds like a guy we just cut. Linebackers typically don't start in their first year of LeBeau's system and taking a linebacker first overall to sit a year is silly. I really like Arthur Brown and they could've had him in the second round, instead. Pittsburgh needs offensive talent, Eifert, Patterson or Hunter would've been a better first round pickup and we could've got another pick trading back. I'm not shocked you traded with us. We gave up a third round pick on the expectation we would get a 3rd rounder for Mike Wallace next year. If 2013 is a down year as I kinda fear, you'll have a high third round pick for a 4th rounder this year...there's no way your franchise could've turned down an offer like that. I don't know if we really got value out of that trade pick as I don't know much about the safety they picked up. Our safety is kinda short and we've been burned by safety's labeled as "hard hitters" previously under Corbert. If he works out and eventually starts then the trade would've been worth it.
If you watch Jones on the field he is anything but slow. Ignore that 40 time at the combine. What's bad about Jones is that he was AWOL in a number of Georgia games and he's not going to be able to block effectively due to his build.
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With a little wheeling and dealing we could have had a first five rounds that looked like this
Guarantee you we would be a better team with this draft class than the one Lombanner did.
I'll dig this up in a year when these guys all have great rookie seasons.
1.Jarvis Jones
2.Travis Kelce
3.Tyrann Mathieu
4. Barrett Jones
5. Sanders Commings
"All Truth Passes Through Three stages. First, It Is Ridiculed, Second It Is Violently Opposed, And Third, It Is Accepted As Self-Evident" ~Arthur Schopenhauer -
With a little wheeling and dealing we could have had a first five rounds that looked like this
Guarantee you we would be a better team with this draft class than the one Lombanner did.
I'll dig this up in a year when these guys all have great rookie seasons.
1.Jarvis Jones
2.Travis Kelce
3.Tyrann Mathieu
4. Barrett Jones
5. Sanders Commings
With a little wheeling and dealing we could have had a first five rounds that looked like this
Guarantee you we would be a better team with this draft class than the one Lombanner did.
I'll dig this up in a year when these guys all have great rookie seasons.
1.Jarvis Jones
2.Travis Kelce
3.Tyrann Mathieu
4. Barrett Jones
5. Sanders Commings
We didn't have to wheel & deal to get Tyrann Mathieu ... we just needed to be stupid.
Zombo
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With a little wheeling and dealing we could have had a first five rounds that looked like this
Guarantee you we would be a better team with this draft class than the one Lombanner did.
I'll dig this up in a year when these guys all have great rookie seasons.
1.Jarvis Jones
2.Travis Kelce
3.Tyrann Mathieu
4. Barrett Jones
5. Sanders Commings
With a little wheeling and dealing we could have had a first five rounds that looked like this
Guarantee you we would be a better team with this draft class than the one Lombanner did.
I'll dig this up in a year when these guys all have great rookie seasons.
1.Jarvis Jones
2.Travis Kelce
3.Tyrann Mathieu
4. Barrett Jones
5. Sanders Commings
I was on board with taking Barret Jones when it was the Browns turn....but, they traded the pick. Again, why these trades? So that Lombardi could have his own hand picked staff work on these and not the guys he inherited?
(If that is the case, that simply tells me that he himself is NOT up to par on the talent that was out there available in this draft....that he didn't trust his current scouting staff with any picks other than 6th/7th rounders and that he did NO work beyond the first round or three to acquaint himself with the available talent.
Then WTF has he been doing since he was hired....and the years before that when his media job was to evaluate talent? Sipping Maitais on a beach? Likely.
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With a little wheeling and dealing we could have had a first five rounds that looked like this
Guarantee you we would be a better team with this draft class than the one Lombanner did.
I'll dig this up in a year when these guys all have great rookie seasons.
1.Jarvis Jones
2.Travis Kelce
3.Tyrann Mathieu
4. Barrett Jones
5. Sanders Commings
I was on board with taking Barret Jones when it was the Browns turn....but, they traded the pick. Again, why these trades? So that Lombardi could have his own hand picked staff work on these and not the guys he inherited?
(If that is the case, that simply tells me that he himself is NOT up to par on the talent that was out there available in this draft....that he didn't trust his current scouting staff with any picks other than 6th/7th rounders and that he did NO work beyond the first round or three to acquaint himself with the available talent.
Then WTF has he been doing since he was hired....and the years before that when his media job was to evaluate talent? Sipping Maitais on a beach? Likely.
I was on board with taking Barret Jones when it was the Browns turn....but, they traded the pick. Again, why these trades? So that Lombardi could have his own hand picked staff work on these and not the guys he inherited?
(If that is the case, that simply tells me that he himself is NOT up to par on the talent that was out there available in this draft....that he didn't trust his current scouting staff with any picks other than 6th/7th rounders and that he did NO work beyond the first round or three to acquaint himself with the available talent.
Then WTF has he been doing since he was hired....and the years before that when his media job was to evaluate talent? Sipping Maitais on a beach? Likely.
Exactly right.
Lombardi delegates his job to his scouting team and does nothing himself. He's a talking head and nothing more.
While I hate the trades, I am kind of happy they decided to put their faith in next years scouts rather than in Lombardi's scouting.
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With a little wheeling and dealing we could have had a first five rounds that looked like this
Guarantee you we would be a better team with this draft class than the one Lombanner did.
I'll dig this up in a year when these guys all have great rookie seasons.
1.Jarvis Jones
2.Travis Kelce
3.Tyrann Mathieu
4. Barrett Jones
5. Sanders Commings
With a little wheeling and dealing we could have had a first five rounds that looked like this
Guarantee you we would be a better team with this draft class than the one Lombanner did.
I'll dig this up in a year when these guys all have great rookie seasons.
1.Jarvis Jones
2.Travis Kelce
3.Tyrann Mathieu
4. Barrett Jones
5. Sanders Commings
Kelce and maybe Commings the only two I'm OK with. J. Jones and Mathieu will be underwhelming on defense (Tyrann may be a good punt returner) and B. Jones will be mediocre. Kelce is a guy the Browns should have gone after -- he's going to be a good one.
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On the radio this morning Lombardi was doing an interview in which he stated "I felt that we could get better value out of our 4th and th round draft pick assets by trading them for higher round picks next year than by selecting anyone that was available there this year". He said that is the "long term view" that he is taking. He also said that he didn't think anyone available at those points were "the right fit" for the Browns such that they want to utilize those assets on current picks.
Well.....maybe. Maybe you can get something better a year from now than what you can get now. Maybe the "right fit" was not there. Maybe you are taking the long term view. Maybe you are just bullshitting us and yourselve with those arguments...which sound disingenuous.
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Kiley and Booms are fucking idiots. Here's how some of that conversation went
Booms-Why in the fourth round did you not take one of the players you had in for a visit? Lombardi-Just because we have them in for a visit doesn't mean we deem the value of that player at a pick. Booms-Well why do you have them in come in for a meeting then? Lombardi- To see if they are a pick, look we are not a college here trying to recruit guys to our team.
I'm not a Lombardi fan in the slightest, but he sure handled himself well in front of these two clowns.
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On the radio this morning Lombardi was doing an interview in which he stated "I felt that we could get better value out of our 4th and th round draft pick assets by trading them for higher round picks next year than by selecting anyone that was available there this year". He said that is the "long term view" that he is taking. He also said that he didn't think anyone available at those points were "the right fit" for the Browns such that they want to utilize those assets on current picks.
Well.....maybe. Maybe you can get something better a year from now than what you can get now. Maybe the "right fit" was not there. Maybe you are taking the long term view. Maybe you are just bullshitting us and yourselve with those arguments...which sound disingenuous.
On the radio this morning Lombardi was doing an interview in which he stated "I felt that we could get better value out of our 4th and th round draft pick assets by trading them for higher round picks next year than by selecting anyone that was available there this year". He said that is the "long term view" that he is taking. He also said that he didn't think anyone available at those points were "the right fit" for the Browns such that they want to utilize those assets on current picks.
Well.....maybe. Maybe you can get something better a year from now than what you can get now. Maybe the "right fit" was not there. Maybe you are taking the long term view. Maybe you are just bullshitting us and yourselve with those arguments...which sound disingenuous.
The optimist in me says if you can get a higher round pick for a lower round pick, then obviously do it. Trading the 14th pick in the 4th round (after bess trade) for the steelers' 3rd rounder next year, which will most likely be middling again, plus then a 5th rounder for the colts' 4th rounder next year, we're basically turning a 5th rounder in to a 3rd rounder.
The cynic in me is saying that Banner/Lombardi are basically going to say 'don't judge us until after next season when we have 10+ of our guys in the team' - basically taking advantage of the eternal optimism and loyalty of browns fans everywhere in order to get a free year.
It's basically impossible to judge them on talent evaluation this year; unless Mingo is a complete bust, everything will more or less work out as expected. McFadden will be solid if unspectacular and maybe one or two of the 6/7 round guys will contribute. If McFadden plays at pro bowl level, or the late picks actually contribute, like Billy Winn, we can have cause for optimism. Until then, it's just too early to comment.
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