This Is Your Democrat Obamaocare Train Wreck
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Right-wing talking points are lies. But, hey, it makes you feel good - so it must be true!
You want to throw out the phrase "broken economy?" The single biggest federal bill is George Bush's Medicare Part B - over 900 billion dollars.
The two biggest increases to the debt are the gratuitous wars started by George Bush - at a cost of upwards of 4 trillion dollars.
Outside of fox news and other right-wing spam websites, none of these assertions are remotely verifiable.. and ultimately not at all even in the same universe with the reality of how the precert and reimbursement systems work for hospitals and doctors offices.
1) You want to claim a cost overrun? Show the original data to demonstrate what it would have been, and then show this new data, and finally demonstrate why the new data shows an "overrun." Otherwise you, just like everything from Paul Ryan's mouth, are lying.
2) "About Half" the public says something? Show the hundreds of polls that must have happened to back this assertion up.
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Do your own research. All you're doing now is being is all totally soaked in Egypt.
Defense of this abysmal Obamao regime won't work anymore. We, as a country, are past that now.
Go ahead, do your own research on the disaster that ObaMaocare already is, and is going to be.
Then I won't be smug when you come back and sing the "I'm so sorry" song.
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Don't waste your time unsympathetic. Talking to him, believe me, is a big waste of time.
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Yeah, do your own research!
But only on right wing blogs....
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Don't waste your time listening to liberals or union workers those turds are a burden on the taxpayers and love everything ever passed by Obama and his band of cummunists.
2014 they will say that Obama's plan worked when unemployment is under 6% and the majority of American workers are working multiple part time jobs while the government I mean the tax payers make up the difference. Does anyone really believe that corporations are going to lay down and take it up the ass? Hell no they will cut all full time employees and hire twice as many partimers to produce the work or just move the all manufacturing to a country where they will not have to put up with this bullshit.
Just wait until you people have to buy government insurance.
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Yep. Now all that's left is for you to sing the "I'm So Sorry" song....
Cysko and Woodypeckerhead.
It's the Dems who are frantically admitting Obamaocare is a disaster.
It's just the morons who want to throw MORE MONEY after over the cliff, after it.
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Hey bunker is back! Just what the "republican" faction on this board needs! Another idiot!
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Yeah, except I already have insurance. Oops. It doesn't apply to me. Also, yeah, my job can't be outsourced to China because, ha ha, every single city mandates that every business needs my services in some way. So. Sucks to be you unskilled folks, I guess.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
Cysko, isn't it funny how Cal comes up with some phrase or one liner he thinks is clever then it ends up in all of his posts at that time?
I guess we're the same now cuz we both think Cal's an idiot?
I guess the majority of the country is the same too then
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Wait you mean we're NOT going to sing the 'I'm so sorry' song together? Man, you're soaked in Egypt.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
Yeah, except I already have insurance. Oops. It doesn't apply to me. Also, yeah, my job can't be outsourced to China because, ha ha, every single city mandates that every business needs my services in some way. So. Sucks to be you unskilled folks, I guess.
Yeah, except I already have insurance. Oops. It doesn't apply to me. Also, yeah, my job can't be outsourced to China because, ha ha, every single city mandates that every business needs my services in some way. So. Sucks to be you unskilled folks, I guess.
It will apply to you when your premiums go up. Who do you think will underwrite this single payer plan?
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Yeah, except I already have insurance. Oops. It doesn't apply to me. Also, yeah, my job can't be outsourced to China because, ha ha, every single city mandates that every business needs my services in some way. So. Sucks to be you unskilled folks, I guess.
It will apply to you when your premiums go up. Who do you think will underwrite this single payer plan?
It will apply to you when your premiums go up. Who do you think will underwrite this single payer plan?
You mean without obamacare my premiums have been going down? Newsflash legacy, they raise the premiums at every single opportunity. You deal with insurance you should know that.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
Wait you mean we're NOT going to sing the 'I'm so sorry' song together? Man, you're soaked in Egypt.
Wait you mean we're NOT going to sing the 'I'm so sorry' song together? Man, you're soaked in Egypt.
Shut up stupid. You invented the Egyptian super soaker
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Wait you mean we're NOT going to sing the 'I'm so sorry' song together? Man, you're soaked in Egypt.
Shut up stupid. You invented the Egyptian super soaker
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Do my own research? All I have to do is turn on my computer. I have line item GL, PR, and balance sheet access at my current hospital and have copies of the same from my previous hospitals.
1) The premium you are charged by Wall Street - aka your insurance company - has absolutely zero correlation to the cost they pay hospitals and doctors for the care you receive. So, when they increase your premium.. that is because they look for excuses to increase the cash they are siphoning from you into their pockets, not because they are seeing an increase in their bills.
2) The contracts negotiated between hospitals and insurance companies have not changed -- despite the lies you are assuming as truth.
3) CMS [aka Medicare, aka the US government] is the basis for 100% of all insurance reimbursement.
You are being lied to by the Republican party - because they are the party of the Wall Street insurance companies. The expenses of health care insurance companies are not changing. However, those companies are increasing your premium vastly more than inflation. ACA is a giveaway to insurance companies -- and nothing more. It's not socialized medicine -- not even close.
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a couple of comments if I may.
even though there are various systems world wide this is most certainly a great deal like socialized medicine.
since the Supreme Court found the buy in included in the mandate to be a tax and that tax is being used to subsidize a service for other citizens I don't know what else you might call it.
and doesn't it seem odd that those who rail against wall Street are the same ones to boast about the president's policies when the Dow hits a new high?
for the record the greatest part of my father's savings is in insurance backed annuities as well as a portion of mine, soon to be more.
I'm certainly hoping that my return will be better then whatever the government is getting for Social Security. in other words I guess I'm saying I hope Wall Street continues to prosper. Don't you?
WSS
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It will apply to you when your premiums go up. Who do you think will underwrite this single payer plan?
You mean without obamacare my premiums have been going down? Newsflash legacy, they raise the premiums at every single opportunity. You deal with insurance you should know that.
You mean without obamacare my premiums have been going down? Newsflash legacy, they raise the premiums at every single opportunity. You deal with insurance you should know that.
No newsflash here. Just saying 'wait & see' the increases you'll start to see with OC added.
Remember when we didn't get "fuel surcharge" on everything we purchased?
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The problem is, the interference in the private sector med insurance area, that Obamaocare brings with it.
That alone will drive premiums up. And, that is by intent of the Obamaocare people.
Here:
- macare: A Toxic Remedy | The American Conservativewww.theamericanconservative.com/.../obamacare...remedy/comment-pa...β3 days ago β But they reasoned that as the benefits started to kick in, Obamacarewould become more popular. .... How about undoing the βmedical progressβ of the last 100+ ... Those with private group insurance from employers probably won't see .... and more govt. interference in our lives while all the drones cheer.
- The Obamacare Revolt: Physicians Fight Back Against the ...reason.com/archives/.../the-obamacare-revolt-physician-fight-ba...βMar 13, 2013 β Politicians and Private Lives ... This is happening just as the federal government is poised to interfere with the health care market in many new and ... Health "insurance" is more than just insurance; it's also "a payment plan for ... have also led to the "bureaucratization of medical care," Friedman wrote in a ...
- [PDF] What's Wrong with Obamacare? Download PDF - Fort Wayne 9-12www.fortwayne912.com/.../what_s_wrong_with_obamacare_FortWayne...βcosts;" "improve care with computerized medical records." What is not to ...Obamacare dictates the care of everyone, including the privately insured. Doctors will no ... Either your body is protected from government interference or it's not. The ...
- Medical Loss Ratio Requirement Could Raise Insurer Profitswww.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=23107βApr 26, 2013 β The Medical Loss Ratio formula calculates the amount leftover for ... of people will be eligible for ObamaCare subsidies to cover private insurance ... Byinterfering with the insurance industry, ObamaCare may raise health care ...
- Smoking: A Pre-existing Condition Under Obamacare ...wondergressive.com/.../smoking-a-pre-existing-condition-under-obamac...βApr 12, 2013 β So charging smokers more for medical insurance isn't conducive to helping ... that we have a private system in which private consumers buy insurancefrom ... incredibly perverse incentives to interfere with the lives of adults.
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Yeah, except I already have insurance. Oops. It doesn't apply to me. Also, yeah, my job can't be outsourced to China because, ha ha, every single city mandates that every business needs my services in some way. So. Sucks to be you unskilled folks, I guess.
Yeah, except I already have insurance. Oops. It doesn't apply to me. Also, yeah, my job can't be outsourced to China because, ha ha, every single city mandates that every business needs my services in some way. So. Sucks to be you unskilled folks, I guess.
You have mad skills little man. Now finish the job we pay you to perform you lazy bastard.
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a couple of comments if I may.
even though there are various systems world wide this is most certainly a great deal like socialized medicine.
since the Supreme Court found the buy in included in the mandate to be a tax and that tax is being used to subsidize a service for other citizens I don't know what else you might call it.
and doesn't it seem odd that those who rail against wall Street are the same ones to boast about the president's policies when the Dow hits a new high?
for the record the greatest part of my father's savings is in insurance backed annuities as well as a portion of mine, soon to be more.
I'm certainly hoping that my return will be better then whatever the government is getting for Social Security. in other words I guess I'm saying I hope Wall Street continues to prosper. Don't you?
WSS
a couple of comments if I may.
even though there are various systems world wide this is most certainly a great deal like socialized medicine.
since the Supreme Court found the buy in included in the mandate to be a tax and that tax is being used to subsidize a service for other citizens I don't know what else you might call it.
and doesn't it seem odd that those who rail against wall Street are the same ones to boast about the president's policies when the Dow hits a new high?
for the record the greatest part of my father's savings is in insurance backed annuities as well as a portion of mine, soon to be more.
I'm certainly hoping that my return will be better then whatever the government is getting for Social Security. in other words I guess I'm saying I hope Wall Street continues to prosper. Don't you?
WSS
When corporations are able to cut the costs on labor you will see new all time highs on Wall Street. With Obamacare in place we now have a good reason to cut out fulltime employee benefits. This will not only happen in the private sector you will also see this happen with city employees.
People are stupid.
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