10 Commandments In Oklahoma School
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Like this one:I'd ask you the same thing, Leg. If a Muslim principal wanted to post his Koran verses on the wall right where the kids walk in because he thought "A nation that refuses to allow educators to teach children right from wrong will become a corrupt nation, where sin prevails, evil abounds, and everyone does as they please" ...you'd be good with that?
Quran (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."
Or this:
Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority"
Probably not.
Like this one:
Quran (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."
Or this:
Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority"
Probably not.
There you go. Well, at least you're honest. You don't mind the government endorsing a religion in schools as long as it's your religion.
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That's government endorsing a religion?
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Yes.
If you don't believe that in abstract, take a look at the statements from the administrators who want it there. Do they sound like they think of it as a Christian symbol or not?
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I think it was placed there as a decorative reminder of "the golden rule" / right v wrong etc. something that schools used to teach.
Edit:
The presumed "attack" on the 10 commandments has probably taken on a more religious tone than what they were originally hung there with.
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Well, you think wrong. If you want to post the Golden Rule, then post the Golden rule. Because the Golden Rule is "Treat others the way you'd like to be treated." That has zero religious value.
And here are the first five of the Ten Commandments:
I am the LORD thy God
Thou shalt have no other gods
No graven images or likenesses
Not take the LORD's name in vain
Remember the sabbath dayThat doesn't sound religious to you? Those aren't religious instructions?
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Here's what the Supreme Court said. 33 years ago.
The preeminent purpose for posting the Ten Commandments on schoolroom walls is plainly religious in nature. The Ten Commandments are undeniably a sacred text in the Jewish and Christian faiths, [n3] and no legislative recitation of a supposed secular purpose can blind us to that fact. The Commandments do not confine themselves to arguably secular matters, such as honoring one's parents, killing or murder, [p42] adultery, stealing, false witness, and covetousness. See Exodus 20:12-17; Deuteronomy 5:16-21. Rather, the first part of the Commandments concerns the religious duties of believers: worshipping the Lord God alone, avoiding idolatry, not using the Lord's name in vain, and observing the Sabbath Day. See Exodus 20:1-11; Deuteronomy 5:6-15.
This is not a case in which the Ten Commandments are integrated into the school curriculum, where the Bible may constitutionally be used in an appropriate study of history, civilization, ethics, comparative religion, or the like. Abington School District v. Schempp, supra at 225. Posting of religious texts on the wall serves no such educational function. If the posted copies of the Ten Commandments are to have any effect at all, it will be to induce the schoolchildren to read, meditate upon, perhaps to venerate and obey, the Commandments. However desirable this might be as a matter of private devotion, it is not a permissible state objective under the Establishment Clause.
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Well, you think wrong. If you want to post the Golden Rule, then post the Golden rule. Because the Golden Rule is "Treat others the way you'd like to be treated." That has zero religious value.
And here are the first five of the Ten Commandments:
I am the LORD thy God
Thou shalt have no other gods
No graven images or likenesses
Not take the LORD's name in vain
Remember the sabbath dayThat doesn't sound religious to you? Those aren't religious instructions?
Well, you think wrong. If you want to post the Golden Rule, then post the Golden rule. Because the Golden Rule is "Treat others the way you'd like to be treated." That has zero religious value.
And here are the first five of the Ten Commandments:
I am the LORD thy God
No graven images or likenesses
Not take the LORD's name in vain
That doesn't sound religious to you? Those aren't religious instructions?
Those are only the first four.
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just for the record if somebody had quotations from Mohammed or perhaps some guidelines from the Karan or Confucius, Buddha or Ghandi or Krishna or Vishnu or whoever the fuck they pickedand some non profit organization like the one you have selected was going to court to have it torn down I think they, like you, are bitter little pricks
WSS
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Well, looks like someone got up on the wrong side of the park bench.
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Could be. But that would be the guy who`s outraged that somebody dare to put the Ten Commandments on a wall in the United States of America.
Nobody would lead that charge but a bitter paranoid crank.
Come on bud imagine if thats Mr T's railing about a statue of Buddha in a school.
WSS
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Well, you think wrong. If you want to post the Golden Rule, then post the Golden rule. Because the Golden Rule is "Treat others the way you'd like to be treated." That has zero religious value.
And here are the first five of the Ten Commandments:
I am the LORD thy God
Thou shalt have no other gods
No graven images or likenesses
Not take the LORD's name in vain
Remember the sabbath dayThat doesn't sound religious to you? Those aren't religious instructions?
Thanks for the ruler on the knuckles, but I know what the 10 commandments are. And if you'd look in Matthew, Jesus addresses the 10 commandments by using the golden rule.Well, you think wrong. If you want to post the Golden Rule, then post the Golden rule. Because the Golden Rule is "Treat others the way you'd like to be treated." That has zero religious value.
And here are the first five of the Ten Commandments:
I am the LORD thy God
No graven images or likenesses
Not take the LORD's name in vain
That doesn't sound religious to you? Those aren't religious instructions?
But again, this whole thing is ZZZzzzzz...
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Could be. But that would be the guy who`s outraged that somebody dare to put the Ten Commandments on a wall in the United States of America.
Nobody would lead that charge but a bitter paranoid crank.
Come on bud imagine if thats Mr T's railing about a statue of Buddha in a school.
WSS
Could be. But that would be the guy who`s outraged that somebody dare to put the Ten Commandments on a wall in the United States of America.
Nobody would lead that charge but a bitter paranoid crank.
Come on bud imagine if thats Mr T's railing about a statue of Buddha in a school.
WSS
1) Rules are rules. There is a good reason we have this separation. Just because it affects the majority religion in our country doesn't make it exempt
2) T would go after the actual religion and followers of the religion. That's wrong. Bringing up the whole separation of church and state thing like we are, that's the correct reason
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Could be. But that would be the guy who`s outraged that somebody dare to put the Ten Commandments on a wall in the United States of America.
Nobody would lead that charge but a bitter paranoid crank.
Come on bud imagine if thats Mr T's railing about a statue of Buddha in a school.
WSS
Westside Steve, on 14 May 2013 - 12:48 PM, said:
Could be. But that would be the guy who`s outraged that somebody dare to put the Ten Commandments on a wall in the United States of America.
Nobody would lead that charge but a bitter paranoid crank.
Come on bud imagine if thats Mr T's railing about a statue of Buddha in a school.
WSS
I agree that this kind of stuff can be taken too far ("That WWI monument has a cross on it - take it down!") but I don't think it's too far in this case. This is clearly unconstitutional. The government can't endorse a specific religious belief in its schools. People want to read Bible verses they can do that on their own time. People want to show other people Bible verses, they can do that on their own time as well.
Not every kid who goes to that school is going to be a Christian. They get to be treated like everyone else. And they get to know their school doesn't prefer the Christian students to them.
It's a public school.
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Anyone think a 10 Commandments display in a public high school is Constitutional and should be allowed to stay?
Anyone think a 10 Commandments display in a public high school is Constitutional and should be allowed to stay?
Absolutely, their is nothing unconstitutional here.
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Anyone think a 10 Commandments display in a public high school is Constitutional and should be allowed to stay?
Absolutely, their is nothing unconstitutional here.
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Anyone think a 10 Commandments display in a public high school is Constitutional and should be allowed to stay?
Absolutely, their is nothing unconstitutional here.
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Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
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I emboldened the parts that make the ten commandments in a public school unconstitutional.
lrn2constitution
I emboldened the parts that make the ten commandments in a public school unconstitutional.
Lol..another lib misinterpreting the first amendment...what a surprise!
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;
First thing you need to do is look up the word "respecting"...you will find that it means "with regard to" or "having to do with".
This amendment simply states that government shall not make a law proclaiming an "official" religion of the United States....as was in England.
James Madisons summary of the First Amendement....
"Congress should not establish a religion and enforce the legal observation of it by law, nor compel men to worship God in any manner contary to their conscience, or that one sect might obtain a pre-eminence, or two combined together, and establish a religion to which they would compel others to conform"
Nothing here about a judge not being allowed to display the 10 Commandments in his courtroom, or not permitting a nativity scene at City Hall.
This clause has been intentionally misinterpreted by liberal judges because a few liberal asswipes are "offended".
Alan Keys puts it so eloquently, the first 2 minutes is all you need....
End of thread.
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There is no "separation of church and state".
The state cannot establish a state religion.
There is no place that says teachers and students can't openly
be Christians, or Budhists.....
Putting up the Ten Commandments by the principal, is fine. He is a free person in a free ? country.
Putting up the Ten Commandments does not establish a state religion.
By the discretion of the principal, he exercised his free speech, and another school principal
can do the same thing, or not do the same thing.
Has nothing to do with having a state religion established and recognized as the official religion of the state.
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3 scandals and we are cry babying over this shit?
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