10 Commandments In Oklahoma School
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Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
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I emboldened the parts that make the ten commandments in a public school unconstitutional.
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which, as anyone with a brain can plainly see, has jack shit to do with congress writing a law establishing a religion.
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Anyone think a 10 Commandments display in a public high school is Constitutional and should be allowed to stay?
Yes.
and I'm not even a Christian.
furthermore I think the people who would spend their time, resources and energy to fight to have it removed are a little bit fucked up.
not much different than the people who hate queers.
WSS
Yes.
and I'm not even a Christian.
furthermore I think the people who would spend their time, resources and energy to fight to have it removed are a little bit fucked up.
not much different than the people who hate queers.
WSS
It's not like that at all. Not one bit.
Would you be okay with a bunch of Koran verses being displayed in the same way? Do you think the folks in Oklahoma would be?
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which, as anyone with a brain can plainly see, has jack shit to do with congress writing a law establishing a religion.
WSS
which, as anyone with a brain can plainly see, has jack shit to do with congress writing a law establishing a religion.
WSS
Except that's not how it works. But feel free to explain why this should be considered Constitutional.
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Don't look at them?
The fuck.
Sure, luck means a lot in football. Not having a good quarterback is bad luck. -Don Shula -
Don't look at them?
The fuck.
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So far, the only response here is to "deal with it." No one wants to try and argue that it's constitutional? Anyone?
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Don't look at them?
The fuck.
Don't look at them?
The fuck.
I'd ask you the same thing, Leg. If a Muslim principal wanted to post his Koran verses on the wall right where the kids walk in because he thought "A nation that refuses to allow educators to teach children right from wrong will become a corrupt nation, where sin prevails, evil abounds, and everyone does as they please" ...you'd be good with that?
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Go to a religious school?
The fuck.
Just saying I don't get a sandy vagina every time I drive by a mosque or a Hebrew temple or a Catholic Church or a ______
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Don't look at them?
The fuck.
I'd ask you the same thing, Leg. If a Muslim principal wanted to post his Koran verses on the wall right where the kids walk in because he thought "A nation that refuses to allow educators to teach children right from wrong will become a corrupt nation, where sin prevails, evil abounds, and everyone does as they please" ...you'd be good with that?
Like this one:I'd ask you the same thing, Leg. If a Muslim principal wanted to post his Koran verses on the wall right where the kids walk in because he thought "A nation that refuses to allow educators to teach children right from wrong will become a corrupt nation, where sin prevails, evil abounds, and everyone does as they please" ...you'd be good with that?
Quran (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."
Or this:
Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority"
Probably not.
Sure, luck means a lot in football. Not having a good quarterback is bad luck. -Don Shula -
Wow, you guys are missing the point, aren't you?
This is a PUBLIC school, not some religious establishment you drive by
Putting up any religious material in this way sends the message that this one religion is the correct one, everything else is wrong. This is just asking for non-Christian kids to take shit. Also the whole separation of church and state thing...
I was a little worried when the article said they were holding pray ins... I thought that would work.
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Like this one:I'd ask you the same thing, Leg. If a Muslim principal wanted to post his Koran verses on the wall right where the kids walk in because he thought "A nation that refuses to allow educators to teach children right from wrong will become a corrupt nation, where sin prevails, evil abounds, and everyone does as they please" ...you'd be good with that?
Quran (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."
Or this:
Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority"
Probably not.
Like this one:
Quran (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."
Or this:
Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority"
Probably not.
Yes yes... and I'm sure there's no Retarded shit in the bible
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Go to a religious school?
The fuck.
Just saying I don't get a sandy vagina every time I drive by a mosque or a Hebrew temple or a Catholic Church or a ______
Just saying I don't get a sandy vagina every time I drive by a mosque or a Hebrew temple or a Catholic Church or a ______
That's obviously not the question.
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Like this one:I'd ask you the same thing, Leg. If a Muslim principal wanted to post his Koran verses on the wall right where the kids walk in because he thought "A nation that refuses to allow educators to teach children right from wrong will become a corrupt nation, where sin prevails, evil abounds, and everyone does as they please" ...you'd be good with that?
Quran (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."
Or this:
Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority"
Probably not.
Like this one:
Quran (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."
Or this:
Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority"
Probably not.
There you go. Well, at least you're honest. You don't mind the government endorsing a religion in schools as long as it's your religion.
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That's government endorsing a religion?
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Yes.
If you don't believe that in abstract, take a look at the statements from the administrators who want it there. Do they sound like they think of it as a Christian symbol or not?
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I think it was placed there as a decorative reminder of "the golden rule" / right v wrong etc. something that schools used to teach.
Edit:
The presumed "attack" on the 10 commandments has probably taken on a more religious tone than what they were originally hung there with.
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Well, you think wrong. If you want to post the Golden Rule, then post the Golden rule. Because the Golden Rule is "Treat others the way you'd like to be treated." That has zero religious value.
And here are the first five of the Ten Commandments:
I am the LORD thy God
Thou shalt have no other gods
No graven images or likenesses
Not take the LORD's name in vain
Remember the sabbath dayThat doesn't sound religious to you? Those aren't religious instructions?
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Here's what the Supreme Court said. 33 years ago.
The preeminent purpose for posting the Ten Commandments on schoolroom walls is plainly religious in nature. The Ten Commandments are undeniably a sacred text in the Jewish and Christian faiths, [n3] and no legislative recitation of a supposed secular purpose can blind us to that fact. The Commandments do not confine themselves to arguably secular matters, such as honoring one's parents, killing or murder, [p42] adultery, stealing, false witness, and covetousness. See Exodus 20:12-17; Deuteronomy 5:16-21. Rather, the first part of the Commandments concerns the religious duties of believers: worshipping the Lord God alone, avoiding idolatry, not using the Lord's name in vain, and observing the Sabbath Day. See Exodus 20:1-11; Deuteronomy 5:6-15.
This is not a case in which the Ten Commandments are integrated into the school curriculum, where the Bible may constitutionally be used in an appropriate study of history, civilization, ethics, comparative religion, or the like. Abington School District v. Schempp, supra at 225. Posting of religious texts on the wall serves no such educational function. If the posted copies of the Ten Commandments are to have any effect at all, it will be to induce the schoolchildren to read, meditate upon, perhaps to venerate and obey, the Commandments. However desirable this might be as a matter of private devotion, it is not a permissible state objective under the Establishment Clause.
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Well, you think wrong. If you want to post the Golden Rule, then post the Golden rule. Because the Golden Rule is "Treat others the way you'd like to be treated." That has zero religious value.
And here are the first five of the Ten Commandments:
I am the LORD thy God
Thou shalt have no other gods
No graven images or likenesses
Not take the LORD's name in vain
Remember the sabbath dayThat doesn't sound religious to you? Those aren't religious instructions?
Well, you think wrong. If you want to post the Golden Rule, then post the Golden rule. Because the Golden Rule is "Treat others the way you'd like to be treated." That has zero religious value.
And here are the first five of the Ten Commandments:
I am the LORD thy God
No graven images or likenesses
Not take the LORD's name in vain
That doesn't sound religious to you? Those aren't religious instructions?
Those are only the first four.
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