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  • W Westside Steve

    which, as anyone with a brain can plainly see, has jack shit to do with congress writing a law establishing a religion.

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    VaporTrailV VaporTrail wrote on last edited by
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    @westside-steve said:

    which, as anyone with a brain can plainly see, has jack shit to do with congress writing a law establishing a religion.

    WSS

    Except that's not how it works. But feel free to explain why this should be considered Constitutional.

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      Legacy FanL Legacy Fan wrote on last edited by
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      Don't look at them?

      The fuck.

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        Don't look at them?

        The fuck.

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        VaporTrailV VaporTrail wrote on last edited by
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        @legacy-fan said:

        Don't look at them?

        The fuck.

        Go to a religious school?

        The fuck.

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          So far, the only response here is to "deal with it." No one wants to try and argue that it's constitutional? Anyone?

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            Don't look at them?

            The fuck.

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            H heckofajobbrownie wrote on last edited by heckofajobbrownie
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            @legacy-fan said:

            Don't look at them?

            The fuck.

            I'd ask you the same thing, Leg. If a Muslim principal wanted to post his Koran verses on the wall right where the kids walk in because he thought "A nation that refuses to allow educators to teach children right from wrong will become a corrupt nation, where sin prevails, evil abounds, and everyone does as they please" ...you'd be good with that?

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              @legacy-fan said:

              Don't look at them?

              The fuck.

              Go to a religious school?

              The fuck.

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              Legacy FanL Legacy Fan wrote on last edited by
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              @vaportrail said:

              Go to a religious school?

              The fuck.

              Just saying I don't get a sandy vagina every time I drive by a mosque or a Hebrew temple or a Catholic Church or a ______

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                @legacy-fan said:

                Don't look at them?

                The fuck.

                I'd ask you the same thing, Leg. If a Muslim principal wanted to post his Koran verses on the wall right where the kids walk in because he thought "A nation that refuses to allow educators to teach children right from wrong will become a corrupt nation, where sin prevails, evil abounds, and everyone does as they please" ...you'd be good with that?

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                Legacy FanL Legacy Fan wrote on last edited by
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                @heckofajobbrownie said:

                I'd ask you the same thing, Leg. If a Muslim principal wanted to post his Koran verses on the wall right where the kids walk in because he thought "A nation that refuses to allow educators to teach children right from wrong will become a corrupt nation, where sin prevails, evil abounds, and everyone does as they please" ...you'd be good with that?

                Like this one:

                Quran (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."

                Or this:

                Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority"

                Probably not.

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                  MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                  Wow, you guys are missing the point, aren't you?

                  This is a PUBLIC school, not some religious establishment you drive by

                  Putting up any religious material in this way sends the message that this one religion is the correct one, everything else is wrong. This is just asking for non-Christian kids to take shit. Also the whole separation of church and state thing...

                  I was a little worried when the article said they were holding pray ins... I thought that would work.

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                    @heckofajobbrownie said:

                    I'd ask you the same thing, Leg. If a Muslim principal wanted to post his Koran verses on the wall right where the kids walk in because he thought "A nation that refuses to allow educators to teach children right from wrong will become a corrupt nation, where sin prevails, evil abounds, and everyone does as they please" ...you'd be good with that?

                    Like this one:

                    Quran (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."

                    Or this:

                    Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority"

                    Probably not.

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                    @legacy-fan said:

                    Like this one:

                    Quran (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."

                    Or this:

                    Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority"

                    Probably not.

                    Yes yes... and I'm sure there's no Retarded shit in the bible

                    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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                      @vaportrail said:

                      Go to a religious school?

                      The fuck.

                      Just saying I don't get a sandy vagina every time I drive by a mosque or a Hebrew temple or a Catholic Church or a ______

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                      H heckofajobbrownie wrote on last edited by
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                      @legacy-fan said:

                      Just saying I don't get a sandy vagina every time I drive by a mosque or a Hebrew temple or a Catholic Church or a ______

                      That's obviously not the question.

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                        @heckofajobbrownie said:

                        I'd ask you the same thing, Leg. If a Muslim principal wanted to post his Koran verses on the wall right where the kids walk in because he thought "A nation that refuses to allow educators to teach children right from wrong will become a corrupt nation, where sin prevails, evil abounds, and everyone does as they please" ...you'd be good with that?

                        Like this one:

                        Quran (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."

                        Or this:

                        Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority"

                        Probably not.

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                        H heckofajobbrownie wrote on last edited by
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                        @legacy-fan said:

                        Like this one:

                        Quran (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."

                        Or this:

                        Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority"

                        Probably not.

                        There you go. Well, at least you're honest. You don't mind the government endorsing a religion in schools as long as it's your religion.

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                          Legacy FanL Legacy Fan wrote on last edited by
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                          That's government endorsing a religion?

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                            Yes.

                            If you don't believe that in abstract, take a look at the statements from the administrators who want it there. Do they sound like they think of it as a Christian symbol or not?

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                              I think it was placed there as a decorative reminder of "the golden rule" / right v wrong etc. something that schools used to teach.

                              Edit:

                              The presumed "attack" on the 10 commandments has probably taken on a more religious tone than what they were originally hung there with.

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                                Well, you think wrong. If you want to post the Golden Rule, then post the Golden rule. Because the Golden Rule is "Treat others the way you'd like to be treated." That has zero religious value.

                                And here are the first five of the Ten Commandments:

                                I am the LORD thy God
                                Thou shalt have no other gods
                                No graven images or likenesses
                                Not take the LORD's name in vain
                                Remember the sabbath day

                                That doesn't sound religious to you? Those aren't religious instructions?

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                                  Here's what the Supreme Court said. 33 years ago.


                                  The preeminent purpose for posting the Ten Commandments on schoolroom walls is plainly religious in nature. The Ten Commandments are undeniably a sacred text in the Jewish and Christian faiths, [n3] and no legislative recitation of a supposed secular purpose can blind us to that fact. The Commandments do not confine themselves to arguably secular matters, such as honoring one's parents, killing or murder, [p42] adultery, stealing, false witness, and covetousness. See Exodus 20:12-17; Deuteronomy 5:16-21. Rather, the first part of the Commandments concerns the religious duties of believers: worshipping the Lord God alone, avoiding idolatry, not using the Lord's name in vain, and observing the Sabbath Day. See Exodus 20:1-11; Deuteronomy 5:6-15.

                                  This is not a case in which the Ten Commandments are integrated into the school curriculum, where the Bible may constitutionally be used in an appropriate study of history, civilization, ethics, comparative religion, or the like. Abington School District v. Schempp, supra at 225. Posting of religious texts on the wall serves no such educational function. If the posted copies of the Ten Commandments are to have any effect at all, it will be to induce the schoolchildren to read, meditate upon, perhaps to venerate and obey, the Commandments. However desirable this might be as a matter of private devotion, it is not a permissible state objective under the Establishment Clause.

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                                    Well, you think wrong. If you want to post the Golden Rule, then post the Golden rule. Because the Golden Rule is "Treat others the way you'd like to be treated." That has zero religious value.

                                    And here are the first five of the Ten Commandments:

                                    I am the LORD thy God
                                    Thou shalt have no other gods
                                    No graven images or likenesses
                                    Not take the LORD's name in vain
                                    Remember the sabbath day

                                    That doesn't sound religious to you? Those aren't religious instructions?

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                                    VaporTrailV VaporTrail wrote on last edited by
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                                    @heckofajobbrownie said:

                                    Well, you think wrong. If you want to post the Golden Rule, then post the Golden rule. Because the Golden Rule is "Treat others the way you'd like to be treated." That has zero religious value.

                                    And here are the first five of the Ten Commandments:

                                    I am the LORD thy God

                                    Thou shalt have no other gods

                                    No graven images or likenesses

                                    Not take the LORD's name in vain

                                    Remember the sabbath day

                                    That doesn't sound religious to you? Those aren't religious instructions?

                                    Those are only the first four.

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                                        just for the record if somebody had quotations from Mohammed or perhaps some guidelines from the Karan or Confucius, Buddha or Ghandi or Krishna or Vishnu or whoever the fuck they pickedand some non profit organization like the one you have selected was going to court to have it torn down I think they, like you, are bitter little pricks

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                                          Well, looks like someone got up on the wrong side of the park bench.

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