The Tribe – The Real Lead Sports Story In Town
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ESPN IS getting worse lately in it East Coast bias. The Knicks were knocked out what? Friday night. Sunday morning when I wake up...all ESPN radio is talking about is the Knicks....and this morning....all they talked about is the Knicks.
I mean, there were these other teams still playing: Miami/Indy/San Antonio/Memphis Do you think maybe they could spend a little time talking about the teams still in it? Hell no. My son's roomate is a Red Sox fan. He was talking about the Boston/New York rivalry....but when I said to him "Boston, New York, it is all one and the same, he looked at me like I was polka dotted or something...so I said "yea...to everyone else one of the teams from those cities winning is no different than another. We would only care as long as they both lose.".
Yup, it's getting worse allright. It's not East Coast bias- call it "Big Market, & Frontrunner Bias". Kobe blows out his leg, ESPN acts like the world just ended. Westbrook getting injured DURING THE PLAYOFFS, WHEN IT ACTUALLY MATTERED gets about 1\100 the coverage. You'd have thought it was the Lakers God ordained right to make the playoffs every year.
Frontrunner mentality- holy smokes, the damn INDIANS get a nice ESPN blowjob on the 6:30 Sportscenter.
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I love my city. There is something special about our little community. We are all bound together by our misery. It is no secret that Cleveland is nationally viewed as a dying city, trying desperately to rebound. There are hundreds if not thousands of people here that do their best to promote programs to invigorate the town. The Greater Cleveland Sports Commission is one that comes to mind. But if there is one thing that all born and raised Clevelanders share, its our passion for our local sports teams. No matter where we may live, we represent our teams, perhaps even more loudly if you don’t live here.
That’s one of the many things I love most about Cleveland and its residents, yet it is also one of the things that bothers me the most about them as well. Now before jumping all over me, hear me out.
What I can’t understand is the lengths people go in this town to put the Browns on such an extreme pedestal when you compare them with the city’s longest standing Major League franchise, the Indians.
When the Indians go through a bad stretch, the casual fans turn them off and act as uf they don’t exist. Yet a 2-9 Browns team would still get everyone’s full attention.
You can tell me all you want about the disconnect between the Dolan Family Ownership, the front office, and you as a fan. I’m sure you feel as though they have cheated you since buying the team from Dick Jacobs in 2000. Full disclosure, I have not been their biggest supportes either. It is not as if the product on the field has been that spectacular. But consider the 2005 Indians won 93 games and missed the playoffs thanks to a final week Cleveland-esque collapse. 93 wins at the time were the most for any team in the Wild Card era without advancing to play October baseball. In 2007, they ran away with the division and were up 3-1 in the ALCS, one win away from the World Series. I went to 40-plus games that season and in a pennant race in September, the crowds were in the 20,000′s.
So the Browns and GM Mike Lombardi, who was said to be high on him, scooped Hoyer up yesterday and added Hoyer to their QB stable.
Yet here we are in Cleveland, talking obsessively about a third string QB signing, dissecting it like it will make any bit of difference, and making it the lead story in town.
I know, I know, this is “Browns Town.” But you know what, it shouldn’t even be more than a blip on the radar because there is a REAL story going on right now, and it is going way too unnoticed for my taste. THE INDIANS ARE IN FIRST PLACE!
Is priority right now. They deserve your attention. The signing of a third-string Quarterback in mid-May, doesn’t.
OK, I understand what you're saying- BUT. Just because you happen to live in Cleveland (or did) doesn't mean you have to be a baseball fan. For me personally, (for reasons I'll get into)- I'd as soon as watch icicles melt than take in an entire game on the tube. Yeah- I caught an inning or two of the Tigers- Rangers game tonight (my wife is a Tigers fan, at least I was able to convert her from the Lions to Browns)- but I'd as soon as catch some of the Italian Open, or some of the Stanley Cup Playoffs- or the NBA Playoffs.
1) so there's reason #1- there's more action in hockey or basketball (or even soccer) in 5 minutes than there is in an entire baseball game.
2) Baseball has the most f**ked up salary structure of any major sport. You level the playing field, maybe I'd take more interest. Sooner or later, the Yankees and their ilk buy up all the top talent. I felt like puking when the two opposing pitchers in the World Series USED to play for the Indians- you want to make an argument how that isn't screwed up be my guest. No you can't buy a Championship every year- but you sure as hell can buy a competitive team. IIRC, the Yankees haven't had a losing season since 1992.
3) Alluding to the above- the Tribe, and other small market teams have been the feeder system of top talent to the Big Boys in like about forever- and that's not going to change anytime soon.
4) Do you really need a 162 game season? (Other than to pay those inflated salaries?) Yeah, lets play baseball in Denver in April in a snowstorm, or the World Series in October when its 35 degrees. One game in a 16 game NFL season has meaning, on a baseball game, not so much.
4) Well, there's no real explanation of why Cleveland is a football town- unless you want to go all the way back to Canton- Pro football was born in NE Ohio. My personal slant is back in the 60's the Browns were pretty great, and the Indians reliably stunk- every year. It's only May- wake me up in August when the games actually start meaning something. I've lived through the Indians "June Swoon" & "July Dive". The Rocky Colavito for Harvey Kuenn trade- that about did me in right there, (read Belichick dumping Kosar if you want a comparison), and an unabated history since of "we can't afford you anymore, tata!!!" Incidentally, there's a boatload of Browns fans in Dayton who have have never lived in Cleveland. I've yet to meet an Indians fan here- period. SW Ohio is Reds Country- for the same reason Cleveland is Browns Town.
So sorry- to be a "true" fan of the Tribe, you have to be a baseball fan first. Just hope you won't have to be like the Wrigley Bleacher Bums and wait like forever for them to win a World Series. Oh, they keep on winning- the frontrunner bandwagon bus will pick up supporters for sure.
OK, I understand what you're saying- BUT. Just because you happen to live in Cleveland (or did) doesn't mean you have to be a baseball fan. For me personally, (for reasons I'll get into)- I'd as soon as watch icicles melt than take in an entire game on the tube. Yeah- I caught an inning or two of the Tigers- Rangers game tonight (my wife is a Tigers fan, at least I was able to convert her from the Lions to Browns)- but I'd as soon as catch some of the Italian Open, or some of the Stanley Cup Playoffs- or the NBA Playoffs.
1) so there's reason #1- there's more action in hockey or basketball (or even soccer) in 5 minutes than there is in an entire baseball game.
2) Baseball has the most f**ked up salary structure of any major sport. You level the playing field, maybe I'd take more interest. Sooner or later, the Yankees and their ilk buy up all the top talent. I felt like puking when the two opposing pitchers in the World Series USED to play for the Indians- you want to make an argument how that isn't screwed up be my guest. No you can't buy a Championship every year- but you sure as hell can buy a competitive team. IIRC, the Yankees haven't had a losing season since 1992.
3) Alluding to the above- the Tribe, and other small market teams have been the feeder system of top talent to the Big Boys in like about forever- and that's not going to change anytime soon.
4) Do you really need a 162 game season? (Other than to pay those inflated salaries?) Yeah, lets play baseball in Denver in April in a snowstorm, or the World Series in October when its 35 degrees. One game in a 16 game NFL season has meaning, on a baseball game, not so much.
4) Well, there's no real explanation of why Cleveland is a football town- unless you want to go all the way back to Canton- Pro football was born in NE Ohio. My personal slant is back in the 60's the Browns were pretty great, and the Indians reliably stunk- every year. It's only May- wake me up in August when the games actually start meaning something. I've lived through the Indians "June Swoon" & "July Dive". The Rocky Colavito for Harvey Kuenn trade- that about did me in right there, (read Belichick dumping Kosar if you want a comparison), and an unabated history since of "we can't afford you anymore, tata!!!" Incidentally, there's a boatload of Browns fans in Dayton who have have never lived in Cleveland. I've yet to meet an Indians fan here- period. SW Ohio is Reds Country- for the same reason Cleveland is Browns Town.
So sorry- to be a "true" fan of the Tribe, you have to be a baseball fan first. Just hope you won't have to be like the Wrigley Bleacher Bums and wait like forever for them to win a World Series. Oh, they keep on winning- the frontrunner bandwagon bus will pick up supporters for sure.
What got me upset last summer was listening to a Yankees game on XM radio while on the road and the announcers talking about how Choo will be a nice addition in the Yankees outfield in 2013. Such arrogance! I am so glad Choo didn't go to New York. I used to be a Reds fan, too, but I won't root for them this year and I boo every time I hear Choo's name. Another good player who left Cleveland. I hate seeing Hafner being so successful this season with the Yankees. But we all know Hafner will get hurt soon -- always happens with him.
At least this kind of thing hasn't happened to the Browns very much -- the few good players they had, like Edwards and Winslow, were both jerks and never were big successes once they left unlike Lee, Sabathia, et al in baseball.
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and keep 'em coming.
beotches.
ya netter recognize!
ESPN truly is the Eastern Sports Network because usually all they cover in baseball are the Yankees and Red Sox. It was astounding to see the Indians get some air time on ESPN. They must really be good for that to happen!
In football, the Browns are almost never mentioned on ESPN while the Jets, a worse team than Cleveland, get so much air time you would think they have won 5 Super Bowl's in the last 10 years! It's easy to see why NFL Network in football and MLB Network in baseball are so popular with fans because they actually cover al lthe teams, not just the northeast teams.
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Yep. Those assholes covered the shit out of jeters 3000 hit but ignored Jim thomes 600 home runs.
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Yep. Those assholes covered the shit out of jeters 3000 hit but ignored Jim thomes 600 home runs.
Yep. Those assholes covered the shit out of jeters 3000 hit but ignored Jim thomes 600 home runs.
Really good example!
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They never talked about the JETS until Ryan became the coach and then Tebow went there. I do not think ESPN knows we have a football team, but do you blame them!!!! I do love the love about the Tribe...Hope to see a HUGE CROWD TONIGHT
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The Indians start a tough 25 game stretch tonight that will prove if they are indeed contenders. During that stretch the only team under .500 that we play is the White Sox. And the last time I checked they still have Konerko on that team sooooo tough for Cleveland. I love what I am seeing but I am anxious to see how they get through this stretch. .500 during this stretch would still put them in great position going into the all-star break.
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you guys have obviously never been in the ad game.
retired now (thank friggin god), but it's all about the #'s and the $'s.
yes i love the browns and the cavs and the tribe but unless you have MLBHD network (like me) then you might have 3 4 or 5 chances to see them play on the national market. until anyone of those teams wins something the major broadcasting networks are going to keep showing the yankees vs. red sox or the knicks vs. the celtics.
nobody outside of fans like us gives a shit about cleveland or indiana or memphis grizzs. sorry, it's just the way it is.
our biz is to sell the most shit to the most people we can at that god given moment.
u see it. it's obvious. auto (esp. trucks) ads when there are sports on. during the day it's about targeting those out of work or depressed or sick or go back to school or kill yourself..
what do you think focus groups are about?
i met my current girl/wife at one we sponsored for our new campaign for the army. being a vet and in the biz for a real long time on the creative end they had me go in and ask ?'s about up to 10 diff versions of the broadcast campaign and what they liked and disliked about each.
it's amazing how many people without being asked said they should bomb the shit out of pittsburgh.
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Zombo said:
Cavs are the new lead story. Won the lottery again.
Z
-- Go cavs!
Please, Cavs, don't pull a Lombardi by taking Noels. Take the sure bet: Otto Proter of Georgetown.
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The Indians start a tough 25 game stretch tonight that will prove if they are indeed contenders. During that stretch the only team under .500 that we play is the White Sox. And the last time I checked they still have Konerko on that team sooooo tough for Cleveland. I love what I am seeing but I am anxious to see how they get through this stretch. .500 during this stretch would still put them in great position going into the all-star break.
The Indians start a tough 25 game stretch tonight that will prove if they are indeed contenders. During that stretch the only team under .500 that we play is the White Sox. And the last time I checked they still have Konerko on that team sooooo tough for Cleveland. I love what I am seeing but I am anxious to see how they get through this stretch. .500 during this stretch would still put them in great position going into the all-star break.
It will be a rough ride for the Indians, but they do have a fun team. My biggest concern with the Indians is the closer. I thik Perez is overrated and he is baseball's answer to Sergio Garcia in golf -- a whiner who is easily distracted and loves to blame everyone else for his troubles without taking personal responsibility for his own failures.
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Baseball is an old boring sport that should be updated SOMEHOW to make it fun! Maybe cut it down to 20 games so there is a purpose and an urgency to see your team win. To go to a snooze-ball game it's super expensive and it is super BORING!
Baseball should be used in the penal system as a punishment...when you commit a crime they should sentence criminals to having to watch baseball. A simple robbery the sentence could be... you have to be subjected to watching 30 baseball games, and you cant fall a sleep!. You will see all crime drop off....No one wants to be forced to watch sleep-ball!
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Baseball is an old boring sport that should be updated SOMEHOW to make it fun! Maybe cut it down to 20 games so there is a purpose and an urgency to see your team win. To go to a snooze-ball game it's super expensive and it is super BORING!
Baseball should be used in the penal system as a punishment...when you commit a crime they should sentence criminals to having to watch baseball. A simple robbery the sentence could be... you have to be subjected to watching 30 baseball games, and you cant fall a sleep!. You will see all crime drop off....No one wants to be forced to watch sleep-ball!
Baseball is an old boring sport that should be updated SOMEHOW to make it fun! Maybe cut it down to 20 games so there is a purpose and an urgency to see your team win. To go to a snooze-ball game it's super expensive and it is super BORING!
Baseball should be used in the penal system as a punishment...when you commit a crime they should sentence criminals to having to watch baseball. A simple robbery the sentence could be... you have to be subjected to watching 30 baseball games, and you cant fall a sleep!. You will see all crime drop off....No one wants to be forced to watch sleep-ball!
Reading just one of your posts is punishment for any man.
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Zombo said:
Cavs are the new lead story. Won the lottery again.
Z
-- Go cavs!
Please don't taken Noels. He's going to be a zero. Take Porter.
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Baseball is an old boring sport that should be updated SOMEHOW to make it fun! Maybe cut it down to 20 games so there is a purpose and an urgency to see your team win. To go to a snooze-ball game it's super expensive and it is super BORING!
Baseball should be used in the penal system as a punishment...when you commit a crime they should sentence criminals to having to watch baseball. A simple robbery the sentence could be... you have to be subjected to watching 30 baseball games, and you cant fall a sleep!. You will see all crime drop off....No one wants to be forced to watch sleep-ball!
Baseball is an old boring sport that should be updated SOMEHOW to make it fun! Maybe cut it down to 20 games so there is a purpose and an urgency to see your team win. To go to a snooze-ball game it's super expensive and it is super BORING!
Baseball should be used in the penal system as a punishment...when you commit a crime they should sentence criminals to having to watch baseball. A simple robbery the sentence could be... you have to be subjected to watching 30 baseball games, and you cant fall a sleep!. You will see all crime drop off....No one wants to be forced to watch sleep-ball!
Can't argue with you. Too much wasting time in a baseball game and the game's World Series TV ratings are about one-fourth what they used to be. My question":why night after night do baseball games in New York and Boston always seem to take an hour longer than games elsewhere in the country?
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The Browns and Cavs are so young and keep getting more talent ... the Tribe is rolling under Francona. Cleveland, your day is coming and it is very, very close.
Zombo
Zombo said:
The Browns and Cavs are so young and keep getting more talent ... the Tribe is rolling under Francona. Cleveland, your day is coming and it is very, very close.
Zombo
No it's not. Indians will fade during this 25 game stretch. Cavs are a mess with two selfish, non-defense playing guards, and if they take Noels they still don't have a guy who will help this year or help at the small forward position. As for the Browns, Lombardi and Banner don't grasp it takes 11 players to have a good defense, not just a front 7, and they will lament not taking Tavon Austin with the first pick.
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Zombo said:
The Browns and Cavs are so young and keep getting more talent ... the Tribe is rolling under Francona. Cleveland, your day is coming and it is very, very close.
Zombo
No it's not. Indians will fade during this 25 game stretch. Cavs are a mess with two selfish, non-defense playing guards, and if they take Noels they still don't have a guy who will help this year or help at the small forward position. As for the Browns, Lombardi and Banner don't grasp it takes 11 players to have a good defense, not just a front 7, and they will lament not taking Tavon Austin with the first pick.
Skeptical2013 said:
No it's not. Indians will fade during this 25 game stretch. Cavs are a mess with two selfish, non-defense playing guards, and if they take Noels they still don't have a guy who will help this year or help at the small forward position. As for the Browns, Lombardi and Banner don't grasp it takes 11 players to have a good defense, not just a front 7, and they will lament not taking Tavon Austin with the first pick.
You're a bitch.
You have no idea what will happen in the next 25 games for the Indians.
The Cavs just hired the best defensive coach in the league to go with the best young point guard to go along with the #1 lottery pick.
Lombardi and Banner each took a shit this morning that more more football knowledge than you.
Zombo.
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