Seriously? Another Running Back?
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Skeptical2013 said:
Walker is a complete stiff. Browns missed their chance in the draft when they could have taken safety Thomas from Fresno State and DB Webb from William & Mary. That would have been what a professional GM would have done and those picks would have added depth to give the Browns a chance to compete in 2013. But, alas, the Browns have a clueless clown, Lombardi, as their GM, and they will probably go 5-11 again in 2013 instead of climbing to 7-9 or 8-8.
If I had been running the show, we would have gone all out to sign FA DB Smith, then taken Tavon Austin with pick 1 to take the offense to a higher level, and then taken a safety with pick 3 and a TE with pick 4 and another DB with pick 5. Would have been great!
Thank God that you are not the GM.
First off, who is this "Smith"? If you mean Sean Smith, he was rated a far worse CB than Sheldon Brown.
Austin might become a good player...but by no means was his position a priority for this team. They have a very similar player to Austin in Travis Benjamin...and they really needed to work on their defense.
I too am not that thrilled with the trade of those picks...but that is what it is. I think the Browns did address their needs at the LB spot, CB and safety...and for next year they will have upgraded picks. Two thirds and 2 4ths
Your plan would not have been great. From what I see it would have been worse.....at best just different.
Thank God that you are not the GM.
First off, who is this "Smith"? If you mean Sean Smith, he was rated a far worse CB than Sheldon Brown.
Austin might become a good player...but by no means was his position a priority for this team. They have a very similar player to Austin in Travis Benjamin...and they really needed to work on their defense.
I too am not that thrilled with the trade of those picks...but that is what it is. I think the Browns did address their needs at the LB spot, CB and safety...and for next year they will have upgraded picks. Two thirds and 2 4ths
Your plan would not have been great. From what I see it would have been worse.....at best just different.
The only thing Benjamin and Austin have in common is Speed and being smaller,not even close to being the same type of football players tho.
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He was waived yesterday apparently.
OK, they signed this safety Walker. That should make Skeptical et al happy now that they are getting some depth in the backfield, no?
OK, they signed this safety Walker. That should make Skeptical et al happy now that they are getting some depth in the backfield, no?
Walker? Can't be the football player!? He's no good.
Oh, I know what Walker they signed ... the big, slow guy -- the Walker that the Empire used on the ice planet Hoth in the Star Wars movie "The Empire Strikes Back." Wow, doesn't need to be fast. Just pretty much sits back there and reaches out and knocks people down, or fires a stun gun at them if they get open down field.
Now I understand why Lombardi put almost no emphasis at all on upgrading the secondary! He's got the Walker! All makes sense now!
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Skeptical2013 said:
Walker is a complete stiff. Browns missed their chance in the draft when they could have taken safety Thomas from Fresno State and DB Webb from William & Mary. That would have been what a professional GM would have done and those picks would have added depth to give the Browns a chance to compete in 2013. But, alas, the Browns have a clueless clown, Lombardi, as their GM, and they will probably go 5-11 again in 2013 instead of climbing to 7-9 or 8-8.
If I had been running the show, we would have gone all out to sign FA DB Smith, then taken Tavon Austin with pick 1 to take the offense to a higher level, and then taken a safety with pick 3 and a TE with pick 4 and another DB with pick 5. Would have been great!
Thank God that you are not the GM.
First off, who is this "Smith"? If you mean Sean Smith, he was rated a far worse CB than Sheldon Brown.
Austin might become a good player...but by no means was his position a priority for this team. They have a very similar player to Austin in Travis Benjamin...and they really needed to work on their defense.
I too am not that thrilled with the trade of those picks...but that is what it is. I think the Browns did address their needs at the LB spot, CB and safety...and for next year they will have upgraded picks. Two thirds and 2 4ths
Your plan would not have been great. From what I see it would have been worse.....at best just different.
Thank God that you are not the GM.
First off, who is this "Smith"? If you mean Sean Smith, he was rated a far worse CB than Sheldon Brown.
Austin might become a good player...but by no means was his position a priority for this team. They have a very similar player to Austin in Travis Benjamin...and they really needed to work on their defense.
I too am not that thrilled with the trade of those picks...but that is what it is. I think the Browns did address their needs at the LB spot, CB and safety...and for next year they will have upgraded picks. Two thirds and 2 4ths
Your plan would not have been great. From what I see it would have been worse.....at best just different.
Sean Smith, now with KC, is not a top player, but would have helped right away and been OK as a #2 CB to Haden. He is a former second round draft choice, 6'3", 220 and yet ran the same Combine time as the diminutive Leon McFadden. Smith would have done well against bigger receivers and that will be a McFadden weakness.
Tavon Austin is going to be a great NFL player and will help turn the fortunes around for the Rams this season. He's a better version of Sean jackson of the Eagles and light years better than Travis Benjamin. He could have done the same for the Browns offense which has been among the worse in the league for many years. The Browns offense will still be fairly mundane in 2013. With Austin, the Browns offense would have gone to a higher level it hasn't seen since the glory days of the 80s and the Browns would have been in the top 10 in scoring in the NFL this coming season.
But, alas, neither Lombardi nor The Gipper havethe vision to see it all.
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Skeptical2013 said:
Oh, I agree, that not all people who are successful in the SEC will automatically make it in the pros. I have questions about Manziel, for instance, as well as a guy named Mingo who played at LSU . What you do, though, is closely watch and evaluate talent. Hardesty was a very good player in the one year he played a full season in college. So was Bacarri Rambo, the safety from Georgia the Browns could have drafted, who is better than Slaughter in my judgment. Lombardi really blew it in this draft.
You LITTERALLY just said that college production does not translate to success but you some how KNOW that Rambo and Hardesty are great based off of their... what know... COLLEGE PRODUCTION!!! You just contridicted yourself and pased it off as a proved point.
You LITTERALLY just said that college production does not translate to success but you some how KNOW that Rambo and Hardesty are great based off of their... what know... COLLEGE PRODUCTION!!! You just contridicted yourself and pased it off as a proved point.
Uh, I said I make my decisions based, first and foremost, on what my eyes see. And what I saw of Hardesty in college was a really fine football player who, if he stayed healthy, could be a fine back in the pros. A guy named Heckert saw the same thing ....
Bacarri Rambo is a heck of an athlete -- a first team all america in 2011 -- and he will have a better pro career than Jamoris Slaughter.
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How is replacing 94 year old Sheldon Brown with Owens and McFadden not an upgrade?
Z
And how do whiff by trading a fourth round safety for a third round pick?
Zombo said:
How is replacing 94 year old Sheldon Brown with Owens and McFadden not an upgrade?
Z
And how do whiff by trading a fourth round safety for a third round pick?
Ask yourself that very question about 4 games into the 2013 season as the Browns lose game after game due to a weak secondary that has no quality depth. If one of the starters gets hurt, it's really a disaster, then! We saw that play out last season and will again.
As mentioned, Browns could have added FS Thomas from Fresno State and DB Webb from William & Mary, two highly regarded players, if they had kept the 4th and 5th round picks. Incredibly stupid decision by Lombardi who could have solved the Browns secondary problems for years, allowing the team to concentrate in the future on adding more quality on the offense at WR and QB or at inside linebacker.
Yes, Lombardi has his draft picks for 2014. But will the Browns 3rd round pick from the Steelers in 2014, if the they keep the pick, be really that much better than where they would pick i nthe 4th round? Some difference but not a lot of difference.
I am not confident that Lombardi will make good use of those extra picks in the 2014 draft.
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Skeptical2013 said:
Oh, I agree, that not all people who are successful in the SEC will automatically make it in the pros. I have questions about Manziel, for instance, as well as a guy named Mingo who played at LSU . What you do, though, is closely watch and evaluate talent. Hardesty was a very good player in the one year he played a full season in college. So was Bacarri Rambo, the safety from Georgia the Browns could have drafted, who is better than Slaughter in my judgment. Lombardi really blew it in this draft.
Hardesty has been injured his whole time....Rambo will be in rehab before you can blink...and Slaughter will Slaughter anyone coming into his zone the way Webster Slaughter slaughtered defensive backs.
Rambo won't be able to bring his AKM on the field with him, thus he will be rendered harmless.
Hardesty has been injured his whole time....Rambo will be in rehab before you can blink...and Slaughter will Slaughter anyone coming into his zone the way Webster Slaughter slaughtered defensive backs.
Rambo won't be able to bring his AKM on the field with him, thus he will be rendered harmless.
Well, all I can say is that a guy named Shanahan drafted Rambo and last year he took a guy named Morris in the same draft slot as Rambo.
But, let me guess, Lombardi is better at evaluating talent than Shanahan, right? Mmmm, let's figure it out: Lombardi takes Slaughter, and Shanahan takes Rambo. Who will be right?
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Hardesty has been injured his whole time....Rambo will be in rehab before you can blink...and Slaughter will Slaughter anyone coming into his zone the way Webster Slaughter slaughtered defensive backs.
Rambo won't be able to bring his AKM on the field with him, thus he will be rendered harmless.
Well, all I can say is that a guy named Shanahan drafted Rambo and last year he took a guy named Morris in the same draft slot as Rambo.
But, let me guess, Lombardi is better at evaluating talent than Shanahan, right? Mmmm, let's figure it out: Lombardi takes Slaughter, and Shanahan takes Rambo. Who will be right?
Skeptical2013 said:
Well, all I can say is that a guy named Shanahan drafted Rambo and last year he took a guy named Morris in the same draft slot as Rambo.
But, let me guess, Lombardi is better at evaluating tlaent than Shanahan, right?
I'm confused, you think Lombardi is a rubbish talent evaluator, so you want him to use those two picks on people he thinks are good? Or are we just rehashing the draft again and again?
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Thank God that you are not the GM.
First off, who is this "Smith"? If you mean Sean Smith, he was rated a far worse CB than Sheldon Brown.
Austin might become a good player...but by no means was his position a priority for this team. They have a very similar player to Austin in Travis Benjamin...and they really needed to work on their defense.
I too am not that thrilled with the trade of those picks...but that is what it is. I think the Browns did address their needs at the LB spot, CB and safety...and for next year they will have upgraded picks. Two thirds and 2 4ths
Your plan would not have been great. From what I see it would have been worse.....at best just different.
The only thing Benjamin and Austin have in common is Speed and being smaller,not even close to being the same type of football players tho.
The only thing Benjamin and Austin have in common is Speed and being smaller,not even close to being the same type of football players tho.
Thank you. Ron Jaworski, like me, believes Austin is the most explosive player to come into the NFL in many decades.
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Hardesty has been injured his whole time....Rambo will be in rehab before you can blink...and Slaughter will Slaughter anyone coming into his zone the way Webster Slaughter slaughtered defensive backs.
Rambo won't be able to bring his AKM on the field with him, thus he will be rendered harmless.
Well, all I can say is that a guy named Shanahan drafted Rambo and last year he took a guy named Morris in the same draft slot as Rambo.
But, let me guess, Lombardi is better at evaluating talent than Shanahan, right? Mmmm, let's figure it out: Lombardi takes Slaughter, and Shanahan takes Rambo. Who will be right?
Skeptical2013 said:
Well, all I can say is that a guy named Shanahan drafted Rambo and last year he took a guy named Morris in the same draft slot as Rambo.
But, let me guess, Lombardi is better at evaluating talent than Shanahan, right? Mmmm, let's figure it out: Lombardi takes Slaughter, and Shanahan takes Rambo. Who will be right?
Shanahan is famous for plugging late round running backs into his system and making them effective. He sure as shit is not known for having some kind of crystal ball with every position late in the draft. This is your logic. He had a good 6th round pick last year, this year has to be the same.
Oh Hardesty looked good in college. He has done so well in the NFL that Rambo has to be good cause that is the kind of great talent evaluator I am!
Oh you guys want me to write ONE MORE FUCKING REPLY POST! I'd sure love to write 10 in a row!
I'm confused, you think Lombardi is a rubbish talent evaluator, so you want him to use those two picks on people he thinks are good? Or are we just rehashing the draft again and again?
You forget, Lombadi can't tie his shoes unless by committee. That is what this dip shit doesn't get. 4 people made the decision on each pick. Lombadi, Banner, Chud, and Farmer. But Skeptical is right. It's all Lombardis fault. 4 grown as men with decades of football experiance for 6 rounds said, That Rambo kid isn't worth the sweat on my balls.
Thank you. Ron Jaworski, like me, believes Austin is the most explosive player to come into the NFL in many decades.
The guy is going to get the shit knocked out of him. He will have a similar injury history that Jackson has, which alone doesn't make him worth a top 10 pick.
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Skeptical2013 said:
Well, all I can say is that a guy named Shanahan drafted Rambo and last year he took a guy named Morris in the same draft slot as Rambo.
But, let me guess, Lombardi is better at evaluating talent than Shanahan, right? Mmmm, let's figure it out: Lombardi takes Slaughter, and Shanahan takes Rambo. Who will be right?
Shanahan is famous for plugging late round running backs into his system and making them effective. He sure as shit is not known for having some kind of crystal ball with every position late in the draft. This is your logic. He had a good 6th round pick last year, this year has to be the same.
Oh Hardesty looked good in college. He has done so well in the NFL that Rambo has to be good cause that is the kind of great talent evaluator I am!
Oh you guys want me to write ONE MORE FUCKING REPLY POST! I'd sure love to write 10 in a row!
I'm confused, you think Lombardi is a rubbish talent evaluator, so you want him to use those two picks on people he thinks are good? Or are we just rehashing the draft again and again?
You forget, Lombadi can't tie his shoes unless by committee. That is what this dip shit doesn't get. 4 people made the decision on each pick. Lombadi, Banner, Chud, and Farmer. But Skeptical is right. It's all Lombardis fault. 4 grown as men with decades of football experiance for 6 rounds said, That Rambo kid isn't worth the sweat on my balls.
Thank you. Ron Jaworski, like me, believes Austin is the most explosive player to come into the NFL in many decades.
The guy is going to get the shit knocked out of him. He will have a similar injury history that Jackson has, which alone doesn't make him worth a top 10 pick.
Shanahan is famous for plugging late round running backs into his system and making them effective. He sure as shit is not known for having some kind of crystal ball with every position late in the draft. This is your logic. He had a good 6th round pick last year, this year has to be the same.
Oh Hardesty looked good in college. He has done so well in the NFL that Rambo has to be good cause that is the kind of great talent evaluator I am!
Oh you guys want me to write ONE MORE FUCKING REPLY POST! I'd sure love to write 10 in a row!
You forget, Lombadi can't tie his shoes unless by committee. That is what this dip shit doesn't get. 4 people made the decision on each pick. Lombadi, Banner, Chud, and Farmer. But Skeptical is right. It's all Lombardis fault. 4 grown as men with decades of football experiance for 6 rounds said, That Rambo kid isn't worth the sweat on my balls.
The guy is going to get the shit knocked out of him. He will have a similar injury history that Jackson has, which alone doesn't make him worth a top 10 pick.
You are going to be wrong. Austin is one tough football player. Others agree with me.
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Zombo said:
How is replacing 94 year old Sheldon Brown with Owens and McFadden not an upgrade?
Z
And how do whiff by trading a fourth round safety for a third round pick?
Ask yourself that very question about 4 games into the 2013 season as the Browns lose game after game due to a weak secondary that has no quality depth. If one of the starters gets hurt, it's really a disaster, then! We saw that play out last season and will again.
As mentioned, Browns could have added FS Thomas from Fresno State and DB Webb from William & Mary, two highly regarded players, if they had kept the 4th and 5th round picks. Incredibly stupid decision by Lombardi who could have solved the Browns secondary problems for years, allowing the team to concentrate in the future on adding more quality on the offense at WR and QB or at inside linebacker.
Yes, Lombardi has his draft picks for 2014. But will the Browns 3rd round pick from the Steelers in 2014, if the they keep the pick, be really that much better than where they would pick i nthe 4th round? Some difference but not a lot of difference.
I am not confident that Lombardi will make good use of those extra picks in the 2014 draft.
Skeptical2013 said:
Ask yourself that very question about 4 games into the 2013 season as the Browns lose game after game due to a weak secondary that has no quality depth. If one of the starters gets hurt, it's really a disaster, then! We saw that play out last season and will again.
As mentioned, Browns could have added FS Thomas from Fresno State and DB Webb from William & Mary, two highly regarded players, if they had kept the 4th and 5th round picks. Incredibly stupid decision by Lombardi who could have solved the Browns secondary problems for years, allowing the team to concentrate in the future on adding more quality on the offense at WR and QB or at inside linebacker.
Yes, Lombardi has his draft picks for 2014. But will the Browns 3rd round pick from the Steelers in 2014, if the they keep the pick, be really that much better than where they would pick i nthe 4th round? Some difference but not a lot of difference.
I am not confident that Lombardi will make good use of those extra picks in the 2014 draft.
It's not just Lombardi in that room. How about Farmer, is he an idiot too? Do you think Lombardi made the trades without consulting Banner? Do you think the coaching staff and scouting staff contributed evaluations which led them to believe that they had a good starting free safety already on the roster and they could pick up an excellent back up in the 7th round and upgrade these picks to 3rd and 4th rounders next year instead of taking a swing as some fourth round safety that some dude named "Skeptical" likes?
They all must be flaming idiots.
How in the world they came out of this draft without Ed Reed in his prime, I'll never know.
Zombo
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I think the Browns did address their needs at the LB spot, CB and safety
respectfully disagree.
LB yes. the other 2 positions THEY COULD HAVE upgraded tremendously in the draft and whiffed.
respectfully disagree.
LB yes. the other 2 positions THEY COULD HAVE upgraded tremendously in the draft and whiffed.
They used their 3rd round pick on a CB...that WILL be an upgrade over Sheldon Brown.
They used a later pick on a FS.
The legit criticism comes with the trades. But it seems probable to me that they liked Gipson so well that they felt no one available from the 4th round down at that position would be as good as him.
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Thank God that you are not the GM.
First off, who is this "Smith"? If you mean Sean Smith, he was rated a far worse CB than Sheldon Brown.
Austin might become a good player...but by no means was his position a priority for this team. They have a very similar player to Austin in Travis Benjamin...and they really needed to work on their defense.
I too am not that thrilled with the trade of those picks...but that is what it is. I think the Browns did address their needs at the LB spot, CB and safety...and for next year they will have upgraded picks. Two thirds and 2 4ths
Your plan would not have been great. From what I see it would have been worse.....at best just different.
The only thing Benjamin and Austin have in common is Speed and being smaller,not even close to being the same type of football players tho.
The only thing Benjamin and Austin have in common is Speed and being smaller,not even close to being the same type of football players tho.
Let's see, they are the same size, the same speed, both play WR and return kicks.
Where in the hell are they dissimilar? The fact that one went to Miami and one went to WVa? The fact that one has an inny belly button and the other has an outy?
I mean, what?
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OK, they signed this safety Walker. That should make Skeptical et al happy now that they are getting some depth in the backfield, no?
Walker? Can't be the football player!? He's no good.
Oh, I know what Walker they signed ... the big, slow guy -- the Walker that the Empire used on the ice planet Hoth in the Star Wars movie "The Empire Strikes Back." Wow, doesn't need to be fast. Just pretty much sits back there and reaches out and knocks people down, or fires a stun gun at them if they get open down field.
Now I understand why Lombardi put almost no emphasis at all on upgrading the secondary! He's got the Walker! All makes sense now!
Skeptical2013 said:
Walker? Can't be the football player!? He's no good.
Oh, I know what Walker they signed ... the big, slow guy -- the Walker that the Empire used on the ice planet Hoth in the Star Wars movie "The Empire Strikes Back." Wow, doesn't need to be fast. Just pretty much sits back there and reaches out and knocks people down, or fires a stun gun at them if they get open down field.
Now I understand why Lombardi put almost no emphasis at all on upgrading the secondary! He's got the Walker! All makes sense now!
Do you even know anything about the guy? I would bet not.....he is not a "big name" whose jock strap you have sniffed.
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I am not confident that Lombardi will make good use of those extra picks in the 2014 draft.
OK, possibly the acorn that the blind squirrel found. No one, I think, around here has much confidence in Lombardi.
Nevertheless, I am not going to automatically assume every move he makes is bad.
I don't trust him..with reason....but I still have no choice but to give him a chance.
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Hardesty has been injured his whole time....Rambo will be in rehab before you can blink...and Slaughter will Slaughter anyone coming into his zone the way Webster Slaughter slaughtered defensive backs.
Rambo won't be able to bring his AKM on the field with him, thus he will be rendered harmless.
Well, all I can say is that a guy named Shanahan drafted Rambo and last year he took a guy named Morris in the same draft slot as Rambo.
But, let me guess, Lombardi is better at evaluating talent than Shanahan, right? Mmmm, let's figure it out: Lombardi takes Slaughter, and Shanahan takes Rambo. Who will be right?
Skeptical2013 said:
Well, all I can say is that a guy named Shanahan drafted Rambo and last year he took a guy named Morris in the same draft slot as Rambo.
But, let me guess, Lombardi is better at evaluating talent than Shanahan, right? Mmmm, let's figure it out: Lombardi takes Slaughter, and Shanahan takes Rambo. Who will be right?
Here is the answer: no one fucking knows at this point. No one, particularly not you.
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Skeptical2013 said:
Thank you. Ron Jaworski, like me, believes Austin is the most explosive player to come into the NFL in many decades.
And yet, one of the best players in the last decade that occupies the position that Austin will primarily occupy: kick returner, was an undrafted QB from a mid-size midwestern school.
So, who really knows.
I am not saying I don't like Austin...or that it would not have been nice to have him on the Browns....but the Browns needs were far away elsewhere....and clearly, clearly, the Browns hierarchy was drooling over Mingo the way you seem to be drooling over Austin.
And guess whose voice counts? Not yours.
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So ... if Lombardi trades ... he's an idiot. If Lombardi drafts ... he's an idiot.
Don't trade because you'll screw up the future draft picks.
Don't draft because you'll screw up the current draft picks.
I guess Lombardi needs to put a bullet in his brain so that this franchise can go back to being the successful franchise it was before he arrived and started making all of these idiotic decisions.
Zombo
--Can't he see the lack of depth in the secondary ... oh the humanity!
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So ... if Lombardi trades ... he's an idiot. If Lombardi drafts ... he's an idiot.
Don't trade because you'll screw up the future draft picks.
Don't draft because you'll screw up the current draft picks.
I guess Lombardi needs to put a bullet in his brain so that this franchise can go back to being the successful franchise it was before he arrived and started making all of these idiotic decisions.
Zombo
--Can't he see the lack of depth in the secondary ... oh the humanity!
Zombo said:
So ... if Lombardi trades ... he's an idiot. If Lombardi drafts ... he's an idiot.
Don't trade because you'll screw up the future draft picks.
Don't draft because you'll screw up the current draft picks.
I guess Lombardi needs to put a bullet in his brain so that this franchise can go back to being the successful franchise it was before he arrived and started making all of these idiotic decisions.
Zombo
--Can't he see the lack of depth in the secondary ... oh the humanity!
Do we get a compensatory draft pick if he does that?
If so, I would be okay with that scenario.
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The only thing Benjamin and Austin have in common is Speed and being smaller,not even close to being the same type of football players tho.
Let's see, they are the same size, the same speed, both play WR and return kicks.
Where in the hell are they dissimilar? The fact that one went to Miami and one went to WVa? The fact that one has an inny belly button and the other has an outy?
I mean, what?
Let's see, they are the same size, the same speed, both play WR and return kicks.
Where in the hell are they dissimilar? The fact that one went to Miami and one went to WVa? The fact that one has an inny belly button and the other has an outy?
I mean, what?
Um skills at those positions. Benjamin is JAG and Austin has big time playmaker written all over him. Harvin is small, fast and plays WR is he the same as TB too???
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