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    @shep said:

    I like him. I dig that he's into analytics because I'm a nerd for that stuff. Like that he has a clear sense of what's going on in the league today, what wins ballgames. Like that he's popular with his colleagues who say he's a good guy, easy to work with, first in and last out.

    But for the record: Lombardi has basically never had final word. Al Davis decided who the Raiders drafted... and I believe it was Ernie Accorsi who was the Browns GM during those years?

    For what it's worth, he has a lot of fans, obviously including Banner and Belicheck. Banners gives a lot of credit to Lombardi for building those Eagles teams.

    Oh, listing Russell as a Lombardi pick has been shot down repeatedly, including by Pluto. He had zero involvement in that draft, was on his way out the door. And everybody who ran under a 4.4 was Al Davis' pick, including Fabian Washington.

    Yes, we do need to cut Lombadi some slack over J. Russell. But to imply he had minimal influence on the Raiders draft selections is untrue.

    Didn't say he had minimal influence. I said Al Davis made all final decisions and we know he doesn't delegate. And I just wanted to set the record straight on J-Fat.

    Skeptical2013 said:

    Yes, we do need to cut Lombadi some slack over J. Russell. But to imply he had minimal influence on the Raiders draft selections is untrue.

  • I think it can't be understated how much control Al Davis had on the Raiders. For better or worse, I honestly believe Lombardi was around with Oakland for so long because he was a yes man to big Al.

  • If Al was breathing, Al was deciding.

  • S Shep

    If Al was breathing, Al was deciding.

    @shep said:

    If Al was breathing, Al was deciding.

    So if Lombardi's input was dismissed by Lombardi, and had no impact or influence as GM of the Raiders, as you say, then that's another reason NOT to hire him!

  • Honestly, that's a much better case to make, Skeptical. It's always fascinated me that Lombardi is really respected around the league (and I do like his general philosophies)... but he's never really been given the keys.

    Heckert made some nice finds but I just don't agree with his "vision" of team building. It's gonna take one helluva lot to make sense of trading up to get a back at #3 overall in a passing league. They get hurt (check) and they're easily found all over the draft (check).

    You just need to run the ball well enough to run out the clock and hold a lead. That's really it. Being good on the ground is better than being bad but not at any kind of premium price of dollars or draft picks. I love what the Packers did in the last draft.

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  • everyone knows Davis made all the decisions.

    Same with jerry jones. since jimmy Johnson left jerry has done the drafting and well the proof is in the pudding

  • S Shep

    Honestly, that's a much better case to make, Skeptical. It's always fascinated me that Lombardi is really respected around the league (and I do like his general philosophies)... but he's never really been given the keys.

    Heckert made some nice finds but I just don't agree with his "vision" of team building. It's gonna take one helluva lot to make sense of trading up to get a back at #3 overall in a passing league. They get hurt (check) and they're easily found all over the draft (check).

    You just need to run the ball well enough to run out the clock and hold a lead. That's really it. Being good on the ground is better than being bad but not at any kind of premium price of dollars or draft picks. I love what the Packers did in the last draft.

    @shep said:

    Honestly, that's a much better case to make, Skeptical. It's always fascinated me that Lombardi is really respected around the league (and I do like his general philosophies)... but he's never really been given the keys.

    Heckert made some nice finds but I just don't agree with his "vision" of team building. It's gonna take one helluva lot to make sense of trading up to get a back at #3 overall in a passing league. They get hurt (check) and they're easily found all over the draft (check).

    You just need to run the ball well enough to run out the clock and hold a lead. That's really it. Being good on the ground is better than being bad but not at any kind of premium price of dollars or draft picks. I love what the Packers did in the last draft.

    Nice, thoughtful post.

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  • If Lombardi was so respected why was he not even given a sniff for a job for 5 years. Haslam and Banner

    said everyone they talked to said "if you have a chance to hire Mike Lombardi hire him". Where were these

    experts for 5 years. Why was Lombardi never even mentioned for a GM job? His track record speaks for

    itself. He will be out of a job when Haslam is forced to sell. Hopefully he does not do much damage until

    then.

  • Well, he had a job and I've read that he was really into his family and didn't want to move just anywhere to do just anything. People say the same about Mayock, that he can't be a genius if nobody's turning over their franchise to him... but you make a lot of money in television and you don't have to leave home all the time. And it has been suggested that Lombardi has turned away jobs.

    The people who dig him say he's undergone a lot of growth and development as a person and as a personnel guy, embracing the ways the league has changed and what that means as far as building a franchise to last. He's also more fun to be around, to shoot the shit and talk shop. There were a lot of young guns in and around the Browns at that time and most of them needed to grow up, including Belicheck.

    Everything we've heard about him since he joined the team has supported that. No sense in committing to hating a guy, right? Let's see how it plays out at least.

  • A Assmunch

    @shep said:

    Honestly, that's a much better case to make, Skeptical. It's always fascinated me that Lombardi is really respected around the league (and I do like his general philosophies)... but he's never really been given the keys.

    Heckert made some nice finds but I just don't agree with his "vision" of team building. It's gonna take one helluva lot to make sense of trading up to get a back at #3 overall in a passing league. They get hurt (check) and they're easily found all over the draft (check).

    You just need to run the ball well enough to run out the clock and hold a lead. That's really it. Being good on the ground is better than being bad but not at any kind of premium price of dollars or draft picks. I love what the Packers did in the last draft.

    Nice, thoughtful post.

    Skeptical2013 said:

    Nice, thoughtful post.

    Grassy ass, amigo.

  • S Shep

    I like him. I dig that he's into analytics because I'm a nerd for that stuff. Like that he has a clear sense of what's going on in the league today, what wins ballgames. Like that he's popular with his colleagues who say he's a good guy, easy to work with, first in and last out.

    But for the record: Lombardi has basically never had final word. Al Davis decided who the Raiders drafted... and I believe it was Ernie Accorsi who was the Browns GM during those years?

    For what it's worth, he has a lot of fans, obviously including Banner and Belicheck. Banners gives a lot of credit to Lombardi for building those Eagles teams.

    Oh, listing Russell as a Lombardi pick has been shot down repeatedly, including by Pluto. He had zero involvement in that draft, was on his way out the door. And everybody who ran under a 4.4 was Al Davis' pick, including Fabian Washington.

    @shep said:

    I like him. I dig that he's into analytics because I'm a nerd for that stuff. Like that he has a clear sense of what's going on in the league today, what wins ballgames. Like that he's popular with his colleagues who say he's a good guy, easy to work with, first in and last out.

    But for the record: Lombardi has basically never had final word. Al Davis decided who the Raiders drafted... and I believe it was Ernie Accorsi who was the Browns GM during those years?

    For what it's worth, he has a lot of fans, obviously including Banner and Belicheck. Banners gives a lot of credit to Lombardi for building those Eagles teams.

    Oh, listing Russell as a Lombardi pick has been shot down repeatedly, including by Pluto. He had zero involvement in that draft, was on his way out the door. And everybody who ran under a 4.4 was Al Davis' pick, including Fabian Washington.

    As I pointed out, he had control of the draft....subject to the whims of Al Davis. It was not my intent to understate Davis's whims. Still, these guys stand as part of Lombardi's record...be it that he had final say or not.

  • Skeptical2013 said:

    Don't be surprised if Shamarko Thomas is another NFL player who haunts Lombardi.

    Thomas is the guy the Steelers took when they traded for the Browns' 4th round pick. Never trade with your bitter rivals and this could be a reason why.

    Thomas is undersized but a human dynamo. He ran the fastest 40 at the Combine of any safety and he outbenched several well known linebackes, including Ziggy Ansah.

    It won't surprise me at all if this kid becomes a really good player and plays like a second round draft choice, not a 4th. We all know he'll probably play his best games against the Browns. Thomas played strong safety in college but the Steelers are grooming him for the free safety role. It'll be interesting to see who has the better career, Thomas Gipson or the Browns.

    Here's an article about Thomas:

    http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2013/05/13/pittsburgh-steelers-draft-breaking-down-shamarko-thomas/

    Can we have this post deleted? And any others where he brings up the DB in an inappropriate place in a thread?

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    Skeptical2013 said:

    Don't be surprised if Shamarko Thomas is another NFL player who haunts Lombardi.

    Thomas is the guy the Steelers took when they traded for the Browns' 4th round pick. Never trade with your bitter rivals and this could be a reason why.

    Thomas is undersized but a human dynamo. He ran the fastest 40 at the Combine of any safety and he outbenched several well known linebackes, including Ziggy Ansah.

    It won't surprise me at all if this kid becomes a really good player and plays like a second round draft choice, not a 4th. We all know he'll probably play his best games against the Browns. Thomas played strong safety in college but the Steelers are grooming him for the free safety role. It'll be interesting to see who has the better career, Thomas Gipson or the Browns.

    Here's an article about Thomas:

    http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2013/05/13/pittsburgh-steelers-draft-breaking-down-shamarko-thomas/

    Can we have this post deleted? And any others where he brings up the DB in an inappropriate place in a thread?

    @the-gipper said:

    Can we have this post deleted? And any others where he brings up the DB in an inappropriate place in a thread?

    Gotta love how you, Zombo and your little band try to control content on this board. We see this kind of thing happening in China, Venezuela, Iran and other parts of the Middle East and it eventually fails or will fail.

    BTW, the post I made is about Mike Lombardi, which this thread is about. Lombardi is the one who made the historically bad decision to trade with the Browns' fierecest rival and give them the opportunity to fill a need by drafting Shamarko Thomas, a guy who may haunt this franchise for many years to come.

    Meanwhile, a lot of your posts have nothing to do with Browns football at all (although I don't care). But if you adere to hyour personal control standards, maybe you should be the one calling for your own posts to be deleted!

    Also gotta love your little game of hacking in to my board name. I truly feel sorry for you and your silly and immature little hoard.

  • A Assmunch

    @the-gipper said:

    Can we have this post deleted? And any others where he brings up the DB in an inappropriate place in a thread?

    Gotta love how you, Zombo and your little band try to control content on this board. We see this kind of thing happening in China, Venezuela, Iran and other parts of the Middle East and it eventually fails or will fail.

    BTW, the post I made is about Mike Lombardi, which this thread is about. Lombardi is the one who made the historically bad decision to trade with the Browns' fierecest rival and give them the opportunity to fill a need by drafting Shamarko Thomas, a guy who may haunt this franchise for many years to come.

    Meanwhile, a lot of your posts have nothing to do with Browns football at all (although I don't care). But if you adere to hyour personal control standards, maybe you should be the one calling for your own posts to be deleted!

    Also gotta love your little game of hacking in to my board name. I truly feel sorry for you and your silly and immature little hoard.

    SkepticalOne said:

    Gotta love how you, Zombo and your little band try to control content on this board. We see this kind of thing happening in China, Venezuela, Iran and other parts of the Middle East and it eventually fails or will fail.

    BTW, the post I made is about Mike Lombardi, which this thread is about. Lombardi is the one who made the historically bad decision to trade with the Browns' fierecest rival and give them the opportunity to fill a need by drafting Shamarko Thomas, a guy who may haunt this franchise for many years to come.

    Meanwhile, a lot of your posts have nothing to do with Browns football at all (although I don't care). But if you adere to hyour personal control standards, maybe you should be the one calling for your own posts to be deleted!

    Also gotta love your little game of hacking in to my board name. I truly feel sorry for you and your silly and immature little hoard.

    Lets get this straight.....you can do anything you want.....but be boring.

    And you have become the ultimate bore. The valid points you have to make, if any, are overwhelmed by the drone. You have become like fingernails on a blackboard.

    I complained about your post because it had not one goddamn thing to do with the subject of the thread. This constant obsession of yours over the backfield, and your attempt to bring every single subject matter that is on this board back to that subject is why I complained.

    What I cannot fathom is if anyone in your "real life" can stand to be around you if you are this neurotic and obsessed over a single subject.

    So, why don't you talk some football,...or anything else (yes, I do talk about a lot that is not just Browns) without having every single post be about your obsession. Then maybe some of us will be able to tolerate you.

    And FYI, I have nothing to do with your screen name. I am not an administrator of this board and have no control over anything other than what I type on here.

    Talk to Z or Stan or Hoorta.

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