Knock Knock
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That's the problem with this case--we have to assume because the only witness to the entire situation is Zimmerman.
I feel pretty confident that he isn't going to say anything that puts him in anything other than a good light. Based on
what I've read and heard concerning this case, there are a few facts that we know. Trevon Martin was walking through
a strange neighborhood in the rain with his hood pulled up over his head. We can see Zimmerman's attitude and state of
mind through the 911 call. "Fucking punks". "These assholes always get away". The 911 operator asking Zimmerman if
he is out of the car following Martin: "...you don't need to be doing that...".
I've tried to put myself in Martin's shoes and ask what I would have done differently. I'm in a strange neighborhood,
walking home from the store. I see a car following me. I keep walking--suddenly the driver of the car gets out and starts
following me. As an adult with many years of perspective under my belt, I can tell you what I would do now. As a 17 year old?
My reaction might be a lot different.
Everything else we may know comes from Zimmerman and quite frankly, given his statements and behavior over the past year
I take everything he says with a grain of salt. Everything else is conjecture. I think that the case may turn on whether the judge
allows the past 911 calls made by Zimmerman to be heard by the jury. Given what I've heard, those calls certainly are not going to
help Zimmerman.They paint him as a pathetic wannabe cop trying to live up to a self image that exists only in his mind. If the judge
doesn't allow them, I think there's a pretty good chance that he walks. His attorney doesn't impress me, though.
I can't say I that I believe Zimmerman deserves to go to prison for 10 years. Again, he strikes me as a pathetic wannabe with a
skewed self-image of what he wants to be, and that self-image goaded him into instigating a situation that turned to shit in a way
that he never imagined. I believe that if he didn't have a gun he never would have gotten out of his vehicle and followed Martin.
I don't think Z will be convicted. He'll write a book and be a hero to a certain segment of the population and a gutless villain to
another segment and he'll be sued in a civil suit by Martin's parents, etc., etc., etc.
For the record, I own several firearms. 3 shotguns and a British Enfield .303 given to me by my grandfather.I believe in the 2nd Amendment.
I also believe that there are people who have no business owning a gun. Just like alcohol gives some people instant courage, a firearm
can give some people (and I believe Zimmerman is one of them) a false sense of self-confidence that leads them to do things they would
normally never do.
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Damn Cal, you should be called as a witness
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Again, he strikes me as a pathetic wannabe with a
skewed self-image of what he wants to be, and that self-image goaded him into instigating a situation that turned to shit in a way
that he never imagined.. Dste Ace
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And that is a very solid way of describing him, except that I prefer Zimmerman having initiated the incident, and Martin
became the aggressor by instigating the confrontation. It's a sick, sad situation. True, if Z hadn't had a gun at all...
who knows. Maybe he would have gotten stabbed in the neck as he sat in his truck by Martin. Martin would flee the crime scene,
Z would be dead, and nobody would ever know what happened. I think there's no way Z gets convicted, but he will pay a high price
for having the incident turn out so tragically anyways, for the rest of his life. If only Zimmerman had had tear gas to stop
one attacker from coming at him, he could have pepper sprayed Martin as he confronted and attacked him, and gotten away,
and they would both be okay today. Then, had that not worked and Martin came after him with some knife, there would be no
controversy or alleged liabilty on Zimmerman's part. Truth is, I have a dim view of both of them as people.....
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Again, he strikes me as a pathetic wannabe with a
skewed self-image of what he wants to be, and that self-image goaded him into instigating a situation that turned to shit in a way
that he never imagined.. Dste Ace
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And that is a very solid way of describing him, except that I prefer Zimmerman having initiated the incident, and Martin
became the aggressor by instigating the confrontation. It's a sick, sad situation. True, if Z hadn't had a gun at all...
who knows. Maybe he would have gotten stabbed in the neck as he sat in his truck by Martin. Martin would flee the crime scene,
Z would be dead, and nobody would ever know what happened. I think there's no way Z gets convicted, but he will pay a high price
for having the incident turn out so tragically anyways, for the rest of his life. If only Zimmerman had had tear gas to stop
one attacker from coming at him, he could have pepper sprayed Martin as he confronted and attacked him, and gotten away,
and they would both be okay today. Then, had that not worked and Martin came after him with some knife, there would be no
controversy or alleged liabilty on Zimmerman's part. Truth is, I have a dim view of both of them as people.....
Again, he strikes me as a pathetic wannabe with a
skewed self-image of what he wants to be, and that self-image goaded him into instigating a situation that turned to shit in a way
that he never imagined.. Dste Ace
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And that is a very solid way of describing him, except that I prefer Zimmerman having initiated the incident, and Martin
became the aggressor by instigating the confrontation. It's a sick, sad situation. True, if Z hadn't had a gun at all...
who knows. Maybe he would have gotten stabbed in the neck as he sat in his truck by Martin. Martin would flee the crime scene,
Z would be dead, and nobody would ever know what happened. I think there's no way Z gets convicted, but he will pay a high price
for having the incident turn out so tragically anyways, for the rest of his life. If only Zimmerman had had tear gas to stop
one attacker from coming at him, he could have pepper sprayed Martin as he confronted and attacked him, and gotten away,
and they would both be okay today. Then, had that not worked and Martin came after him with some knife, there would be no
controversy or alleged liabilty on Zimmerman's part. Truth is, I have a dim view of both of them as people.....
Initiated is a better way of describing the situation. I was searching for a better word than instigating but couldn't come up with it.
And it is a sick, sad situation. Zimmerman, while he probably won't be convicted (although with his attorney all bets are off), will live
with this for the rest of his life. Looking at him sitting in the courtroom, you can almost see the thought bubble above his head, "How
in the fuck did this ever get so out of control"? I don't think he's evil--just a sad, weak man. SMH.
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A man with wannabe cop issues who is carrying a loaded gun gets out of his car, unadvisedly, and follows an unarmed teen until some sort of confrontation ensues, and then he doesn't just pull the gun on him, but shoots the unarmed teen dead with a single shot.
If I were on the jury, he'd have a long way to go to prove to me that he doesn't deserve any jail time.
And forget the knock knock joke. If a defense attorney tried to suggest that the teen really was armed because the pavement is a deadly weapon, he'd have even longer to go.
That's fucking laughable.
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Probably a good thing you aren't on the jury then. If a white man were being followed by a black man would that be sufficient reason for the white man to turn around and attack?
WSS
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A man with wannabe cop issues who is carrying a loaded gun gets out of his car, unadvisedly, and follows an unarmed teen until some sort of confrontation ensues, and then he doesn't just pull the gun on him, but shoots the unarmed teen dead with a single shot.
If I were on the jury, he'd have a long way to go to prove to me that he doesn't deserve any jail time.
And forget the knock knock joke. If a defense attorney tried to suggest that the teen really was armed because the pavement is a deadly weapon, he'd have even longer to go.
That's fucking laughable.
A man with wannabe cop issues who is carrying a loaded gun gets out of his car, unadvisedly, and follows an unarmed teen until some sort of confrontation ensues, and then he doesn't just pull the gun on him, but shoots the unarmed teen dead with a single shot.
If I were on the jury, he'd have a long way to go to prove to me that he doesn't deserve any jail time.
And forget the knock knock joke. If a defense attorney tried to suggest that the teen really was armed because the pavement is a deadly weapon, he'd have even longer to go.
That's fucking laughable.
Your response is laughable.
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Probably a good thing you aren't on the jury then. If a white man were being followed by a black man would that be sufficient reason for the white man to turn around and attack?
WSS
Probably a good thing you aren't on the jury then. If a white man were being followed by a black man would that be sufficient reason for the white man to turn around and attack?
WSS
What a silly question.
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Probably a good thing you aren't on the jury then. If a white man were being followed by a black man would that be sufficient reason for the white man to turn around and attack?
WSS
What a silly question.
What a silly question.
One would think. But you seem to think that if the races are reversed it's an acceptable action.
WSS
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Talk about straw man. dang. I thought you despised those straw men?
Ah, only when YOU get to use them.
Meanwhile, the main witness's cred is wracked into pieces.
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The star witness was a joke. Some ghetto girl who couldn't even speak english. They had to repeatedly ask her to repeat herself. This whole trial is a waste of money.
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What a silly question.
One would think. But you seem to think that if the races are reversed it's an acceptable action.
WSS
One would think. But you seem to think that if the races are reversed it's an acceptable action.
WSS
Oh, stop it. You'll notice I didn't mention race at all. You did. And then you assume that I believe the opposite of your supposition. One of these days you're going to get why it's so irritating to discuss these issues with you. It's not going to be soon, but maybe someday.
I'm saying something different. I'm saying that when you're packing heat and decide to follow someone against the wishes of the 911 dispatcher, and the fact that you followed someone is part of what initiates a confrontation, and then you use lethal force to end the confrontation, you've got to go a long way to prove that you really, really needed to take that person's life in order to save yours.
He was armed, and knew that when he followed him. Then he took another man's life. That's a substantial burden to overcome in my eyes.
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One would think. But you seem to think that if the races are reversed it's an acceptable action.
WSS
Oh, stop it. You'll notice I didn't mention race at all. You did. And then you assume that I believe the opposite of your supposition. One of these days you're going to get why it's so irritating to discuss these issues with you. It's not going to be soon, but maybe someday.
I'm saying something different. I'm saying that when you're packing heat and decide to follow someone against the wishes of the 911 dispatcher, and the fact that you followed someone is part of what initiates a confrontation, and then you use lethal force to end the confrontation, you've got to go a long way to prove that you really, really needed to take that person's life in order to save yours.
He was armed, and knew that when he followed him. Then he took another man's life. That's a substantial burden to overcome in my eyes.
Oh, stop it. You'll notice I didn't mention race at all. You did. And then you assume that I believe the opposite of your supposition. One of these days you're going to get why it's so irritating to discuss these issues with you. It's not going to be soon, but maybe someday.
I'm saying something different. I'm saying that when you're packing heat and decide to follow someone against the wishes of the 911 dispatcher, and the fact that you followed someone is part of what initiates a confrontation, and then you use lethal force to end the confrontation, you've got to go a long way to prove that you really, really needed to take that person's life in order to save yours.
He was armed, and knew that when he followed him. Then he took another man's life. That's a substantial burden to overcome in my eyes.
Only problem with your opinion is that it is the prosecutions duty to prove he is guilty, not the other way around genius. I don't see it happening. Of course, after the OJ trial anything is possible.
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With libs, if they don't like you, you are guilty, and if you can't prove you
are innocent with no doubt, then you are still guilty.
Unless you are one of them, then you are innocent no matter what the evidence.
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Joke star witness, blech, ends up with a lot of deleted Twitter messages.
Hide facts, they want to convict Zimmerman.
She was a mistake to put on the stand. Interesting, when she got miffed at the
prosecutor's questioning...she all of a sudden spoke louder and clearer.
"oops", main witness.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/zimmerman-witness-gets-twitter-scrub-748092
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Burden of proof is to prove he's guilty.
But he's claiming self defense
So I would think some portion of that burden is now proving he had to act in self defense.
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Burden of proof is to prove he's guilty.
But he's claiming self defense
So I would think some portion of that burden is now proving he had to act in self defense.
Burden of proof is to prove he's guilty.
But he's claiming self defense
So I would think some portion of that burden is now proving he had to act in self defense.
Nope, not at all. They have to prove he WASN'T acting in self defense.
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If this shooting had been black on black, white one white, or hispanic on hispanic, , this would be a non story. The shooter would have not been charged based on the stand your ground law...case closed...or if it did somehow go to trial, it would not be covered nationally.
It would also be a non story if Trayvon was white and Z was black.
Sensationalism sells. This was clearly race baiting by the liberal media to promote a political agenda.
Newspapers printing a photo of a young innocent Trayvon when he was 13yrs. old next to a scruff looking Zimmerman
Describing Z as a "white hispanic".
The unconscionable act by liberal run CBS of editing the conversation between Z and 911....
The edited and actual exchange between Z and 911...
Gotta keep pandering to the black community by concluding that all wrongs committed against them are because of racism... and lest we forget that the conditions the black community find themselves is not their fault, but rather its the white man "keeping them down".
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Treyvon who? Treyvon theTHUG caught a slug. -
Oh boy, are you going to start posting pictures named things like "deadnigger.jpg" again?
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