Everett Golson No Longer Enrolled At Notre Dame
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To your first line, I'm not talking about the States. Hell I'd like to work in the Cleveland area.
Almost nothing you said their is true. Maybe among 50+ year olds that have lived in Ohio their whole life though.
Akron engineering doesn't sniff Michigan man...
In what world is Miami (OH) "on par"?
If I'm coming off as an ass I'm sorry, but I find thus ridiculous
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To your first line, I'm not talking about the States. Hell I'd like to work in the Cleveland area.
Almost nothing you said their is true. Maybe among 50+ year olds that have lived in Ohio their whole life though.
Akron engineering doesn't sniff Michigan man...
In what world is Miami (OH) "on par"?
If I'm coming off as an ass I'm sorry, but I find thus ridiculous
To your first line, I'm not talking about the States. Hell I'd like to work in the Cleveland area.
Almost nothing you said their is true. Maybe among 50+ year olds that have lived in Ohio their whole life though.
Akron engineering doesn't sniff Michigan man...
In what world is Miami (OH) "on par"?
If I'm coming off as an ass I'm sorry, but I find thus ridiculous
Of course. And ignorant, arrogant man would...and did.
Oberlin, Kenyon, Denison, Wooster are all superior academic institutions to Mich....but of course much smaller....with fewer programs (no engineering/business schools there)
And I am absolutely right about Kent State and is Fashion Design school. Here are the top 20 Fashion schools in America:
1. PARSONS, THE NEW SCHOOL FOR DESIGN
2. FASHION INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY
3. PRATT
6. SAVANNAH COLLEGE OF ART AND DESIGN
7. RHODE ISLAND SCHOOL OF DESIGN
9. OTIS COLLEGE OF ART AND DESIGN
10. COLUMBUS COLLEGE OF ART AND DESIGN
11. CALIFORNIA COLLEGE OF ARTS
13. FASHION INSTITUTE OF DESIGN AND MERCHANDISING
14. SCHOOL OF THE ART INSTITUTE OF CHICAGO
15. MASSACHUSETTS COLLEGE OF ART
18. COLUMBIA COLLEGE
20. LIM COLLEGE
As for Mich and Case US News has those 2 ranked very close. Mich is 29, Case is 37.
Bottom line is: where would you send your kids. I am happy about the schools I have sent my kids to.
One of mine just graduated from Kenyon in molecular biology and now works for the Univ. of Minnesota. On the job 10 days now.
My daughter attends Trinity Univ. in Texas. Going to major in sports management and marketing. Maybe one day she will be a VP for the Browns.
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I said "almost nothing" you said was true. I don't really care about Kent States fashion program. I'm sure there are a ton of schools with some random program ranked above Michigan.
The US News compiles their overall rankings in a way that hurts public schools, by what stats they use and their weighting. I can show you other ratings that has Michigan the 15th best school in the world. At least for specific program rankings its usually peer assessment.
Calling Miami OH on par overall or Akron's engendering on par is crazy honestly. Michigan's engineering "ranking" fluctuates somewhere in the top 10 every year. Its in that group right behind MIT, Stanford, etc.
Those tiny liberal art schools are not all "superior" to Michigan academically. Just browsing real quick I see top 10, for grad school, for us for Medical Healthcare, Medical Research, Education, Engineering, Law and #14 for Business (#3 undergrad). Not to mention how heavily Umich gets recruited by businesses across the country. I'm sure they're all really great at women's studies and philosophy and what not, but I'm not sure how you compare the two types of schools. Just glancing at their "Liberal Art School Rankings" its seems most of the ones you mentioned are outside the top 30 or 40.
I'll be honest though, I'm biased. I think a lot if liberal arts degrees are a waste of time and money.
I'm happy you're happy where you sent your kids. I hope I can do the same. But when I see posts saying things like "Miami OH is on par with Michigan" or "Akron engineering is just as good as Michigan" I have to respond to call out how ridiculous that is.
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I said "almost nothing" you said was true. I don't really care about Kent States fashion program. I'm sure there are a ton of schools with some random program ranked above Michigan.
The US News compiles their overall rankings in a way that hurts public schools, by what stats they use and their weighting. I can show you other ratings that has Michigan the 15th best school in the world. At least for specific program rankings its usually peer assessment.
Calling Miami OH on par overall or Akron's engendering on par is crazy honestly. Michigan's engineering "ranking" fluctuates somewhere in the top 10 every year. Its in that group right behind MIT, Stanford, etc.
Those tiny liberal art schools are not all "superior" to Michigan academically. Just browsing real quick I see top 10, for grad school, for us for Medical Healthcare, Medical Research, Education, Engineering, Law and #14 for Business (#3 undergrad). Not to mention how heavily Umich gets recruited by businesses across the country. I'm sure they're all really great at women's studies and philosophy and what not, but I'm not sure how you compare the two types of schools. Just glancing at their "Liberal Art School Rankings" its seems most of the ones you mentioned are outside the top 30 or 40.
I'll be honest though, I'm biased. I think a lot if liberal arts degrees are a waste of time and money.
I'm happy you're happy where you sent your kids. I hope I can do the same. But when I see posts saying things like "Miami OH is on par with Michigan" or "Akron engineering is just as good as Michigan" I have to respond to call out how ridiculous that is.
I said "almost nothing" you said was true. I don't really care about Kent States fashion program. I'm sure there are a ton of schools with some random program ranked above Michigan.
And Michigan has random programs here and there that are ranked high as well
The US News compiles their overall rankings in a way that hurts public schools,
Actually, I think the opposite is true.
by what stats they use and their weighting. I can show you other ratings that has Michigan the 15th best school in the world. At least for specific program rankings its usually peer assessment.
Calling Miami OH on par overall or Akron's engendering on par is crazy honestly. Michigan's engineering "ranking" fluctuates somewhere in the top 10 every year. Its in that group right behind MIT, Stanford, etc.
I guess if you want a useless engineering degree, that is fine.
Those tiny liberal art schools are not all "superior" to Michigan academically.
In the liberal arts, yes, they are.
Just browsing real quick I see top 10, for grad school, for us for Medical Healthcare, Medical Research, Education, Engineering, Law and #14 for Business (#3 undergrad). Not to mention how heavily Umich gets recruited by businesses across the country. I'm sure they're all really great at women's studies and philosophy and what not, but I'm not sure how you compare the two types of schools.
Right, you can only compare the areas involved that they each have, No liberal arts school is going to have graduate programs.
Just glancing at their "Liberal Art School Rankings" its seems most of the ones you mentioned are outside the top 30 or 40.
I'll be honest though, I'm biased. I think a lot if liberal arts degrees are a waste of time and money.
Like I said: ignorance an arrogance. Liberal Arts schools are not just "the humanities" or social sciences.. My son's degree is in Molecular Biology. My neighbor's son who also went to the same school had his degree in chemistry.
I'm happy you're happy where you sent your kids. I hope I can do the same. But when I see posts saying things like "Miami OH is on par with Michigan" or "Akron engineering is just as good as Michigan" I have to respond to call out how ridiculous that is.
Well, let's put it this way that there is no two ways around: there is one thing Ohio is much better in, and that would be football. And almost all the quality involved in Michigan football they got from Ohio. Literally only a few blocks from where I sit in my office now a guy named Bo Schembechler was born and raised. Not to mention Gary Moeller, from Lima. Oh and Brady Hoke: Dayton OH (Kettering actually). Heisman winners: Desmond Howard, Cleveland. Charles Woodson: Fremont OH.
(Oh, and who did Brady Hoke's dad play for: Woody Hayes...at Miami, OH.
And as for Miami Oh.....lets put it this way: Miami, Michigan, Kenyon are tied at one thing: they each have produced one POTUS each.
And you never know, if this country stays as warped as it sometime seems, Miami, Oh. may produce another: Paul Ryan.
(any doubt that he will run next time?)
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Where to begin...
1) I never said ALL Liberal Arts degrees. I respect the STEM majors, for sure. There are liberal arts degrees that are pretty useless though.
2) In no way is an engineering degree in this "useless" degree category
3) You can think what you want about how they compile their rankings, but by putting such a high emphasis on categories like acceptance rate its hurts some large public schools. Michigan isn't sending out spam mail to every kid that took the PSAT asking them to apply so they can reject more and lower the rate. Within the last few years though they switched to the Common App, which should lower the acceptance rate some though. Schools that report superscored ACT and SAT scores also can artificially inflate their ratings.
4) Here are some liberal arts program rankings for Michigan.
Mathematics #8
Physics #11
Biology #20
Chemistry #16
Comp Sci #13
Earth Science #9
Statistics #12
Economics #12
English #13
History #7
Library and Information Studies #4
Nursing #6
Pharmacy #7
Political Science #4
Psychology #4
Public Affairs #12
Public Health #4
Social Work #1
Sociology #4
From the site that had Michigan with a World Ranking of #14 (Social Sciences & Management #17, Natural Sciences #29 Life Sciences & Medicine #34, Arts & Humanities #16)
The liberal arts schools you posted are good or great, but I don't see how they can be superior to Michigan. Not with everything that is offered and that is still highly ranked.
5) I guess OSU should have done a better job of keeping those players in state though. The other thing Ohio has Michigan beat at is prominent figures "resigning" in disgrace. Who will be next to follow Woody Hayes, Jim Tressel and President Gee?
6) A Republican can win as long as they back off on some of the conservative social issue stances the Tea Party desperately wants. Maybe he'll do some more photoshoots as well. Both him and Hilary can play to women, but in different ways...
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Where to begin...
1) I never said ALL Liberal Arts degrees. I respect the STEM majors, for sure. There are liberal arts degrees that are pretty useless though.
2) In no way is an engineering degree in this "useless" degree category
3) You can think what you want about how they compile their rankings, but by putting such a high emphasis on categories like acceptance rate its hurts some large public schools. Michigan isn't sending out spam mail to every kid that took the PSAT asking them to apply so they can reject more and lower the rate. Within the last few years though they switched to the Common App, which should lower the acceptance rate some though. Schools that report superscored ACT and SAT scores also can artificially inflate their ratings.
4) Here are some liberal arts program rankings for Michigan.
Mathematics #8
Physics #11
Biology #20
Chemistry #16
Comp Sci #13
Earth Science #9
Statistics #12
Economics #12
English #13
History #7
Library and Information Studies #4
Nursing #6
Pharmacy #7
Political Science #4
Psychology #4
Public Affairs #12
Public Health #4
Social Work #1
Sociology #4
From the site that had Michigan with a World Ranking of #14 (Social Sciences & Management #17, Natural Sciences #29 Life Sciences & Medicine #34, Arts & Humanities #16)
The liberal arts schools you posted are good or great, but I don't see how they can be superior to Michigan. Not with everything that is offered and that is still highly ranked.
5) I guess OSU should have done a better job of keeping those players in state though. The other thing Ohio has Michigan beat at is prominent figures "resigning" in disgrace. Who will be next to follow Woody Hayes, Jim Tressel and President Gee?
6) A Republican can win as long as they back off on some of the conservative social issue stances the Tea Party desperately wants. Maybe he'll do some more photoshoots as well. Both him and Hilary can play to women, but in different ways...
Where to begin...
1) I never said ALL Liberal Arts degrees. I respect the STEM majors, for sure. There are liberal arts degrees that are pretty useless though.
2) In no way is an engineering degree in this "useless" degree category
I know, I was yanking your chain. It is so yankable.
3) You can think what you want about how they compile their rankings, but by putting such a high emphasis on categories like acceptance rate its hurts some large public schools. Michigan isn't sending out spam mail to every kid that took the PSAT asking them to apply so they can reject more and lower the rate. Within the last few years though they switched to the Common App, which should lower the acceptance rate some though. Schools that report superscored ACT and SAT scores also can artificially inflate their ratings.
4) Here are some liberal arts program rankings for Michigan.
Mathematics #8
Physics #11
Biology #20
Chemistry #16
Comp Sci #13
Earth Science #9
Statistics #12
Economics #12
English #13
History #7
Library and Information Studies #4
Nursing #6
Pharmacy #7
Political Science #4
Psychology #4
Public Affairs #12
Public Health #4
Social Work #1
Sociology #4
From the site that had Michigan with a World Ranking of #14 (Social Sciences & Management #17, Natural Sciences #29 Life Sciences & Medicine #34, Arts & Humanities #16)
The liberal arts schools you posted are good or great, but I don't see how they can be superior to Michigan. Not with everything that is offered and that is still highly ranked.
Well, it was the President of Kenyon who said that the surveys sent out by the US News/Forbes etc. that did the rankings were tantamount to a Howard Johnson's customer satisfaction survey. So, maybe all those rankings are bogus. Or, at least, plebian.
5) I guess OSU should have done a better job of keeping those players in state though.
There is TOO much talent here. They can't keep them all. I note that though Mich has almost 40% of its roster of say 85 players from Ohio, Ohio State might have at most 2-3 players from Michigan.
The other thing Ohio has Michigan beat at is prominent figures "resigning" in disgrace. Who will be next to follow Woody Hayes, Jim Tressel and President Gee?
Really? How about Moeller getting drunk and disorderly. And all of Ohio State's troubles have been mere human foibles. Hayes' temper, Gee attempt to be funny, Tressel merely trying to protect his kids.
Unlike Michigan which had the FBI, IRS, DOJ all investigating its troubles in the "Fab 5 era".
And more recently it seems that oh so many UM athletes have engaged in potential academic fraud, which got completely glossed over because of the Penn State/Jerry Sandusky matter.
So, the worst thing that happened at Ohio State is that a few players sold or traded trinkets that they owned for a few bucks. (and I still don't know what a person cannot sell their own property. If they couldn't sell them, why give them to them in the first place)...and the coach's failure to disclose it.
http://www.blackshoediaries.com/2008/3/16/13955/5089
6) A Republican can win as long as they back off on some of the conservative social issue stances the Tea Party desperately wants. Maybe he'll do some more photoshoots as well. Both him and Hilary can play to women, but in different ways...
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Academic fraud? Are you fucking joking? That's why we turned away a 5 star CB for academics and why we suspended and kicked our once starting QB off of the team for poor academics....
This is coming from a guy who's team had a player say "I didn't come here to play school"...
Tressel "was just trying to protect his kids". Lol , bullshit. He wanted the best team he could to compete and follow OSUs "win at all costs" mentality. The scandal wasn't players breaking rules (whether or not you after with the rules), it was Tressel LYING to the NCAA so he could continue to play players he knew were ineligible. His entire coaching career was full of scandal and cheating. From YSU to Clarette to the thing that got him fired.
Look, I get that you're losing the school academics argument so you want to change the subject, but come on. This is ridiculous.
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Academic fraud? Are you fucking joking? That's why we turned away a 5 star CB for academics and why we suspended and kicked our once starting QB off of the team for poor academics....
This is coming from a guy who's team had a player say "I didn't come here to play school"...
Tressel "was just trying to protect his kids". Lol , bullshit. He wanted the best team he could to compete and follow OSUs "win at all costs" mentality. The scandal wasn't players breaking rules (whether or not you after with the rules), it was Tressel LYING to the NCAA so he could continue to play players he knew were ineligible. His entire coaching career was full of scandal and cheating. From YSU to Clarette to the thing that got him fired.
Look, I get that you're losing the school academics argument so you want to change the subject, but come on. This is ridiculous.
Academic fraud? Are you fucking joking? That's why we turned away a 5 star CB for academics and why we suspended and kicked our once starting QB off of the team for poor academics....
This is coming from a guy who's team had a player say "I didn't come here to play school"...
Tressel "was just trying to protect his kids". Lol , bullshit. He wanted the best team he could to compete and follow OSUs "win at all costs" mentality. The scandal wasn't players breaking rules (whether or not you after with the rules), it was Tressel LYING to the NCAA so he could continue to play players he knew were ineligible. His entire coaching career was full of scandal and cheating. From YSU to Clarette to the thing that got him fired.
Look, I get that you're losing the school academics argument so you want to change the subject, but come on. This is ridiculous.
I see that I hit a nerve. The truth hurts. Your Michigan programs involve loan sharking, connections to organized crime. Professors involved in cheating scandals. Maybe even point shaving.
Yea, sure Michigan NEVER did anything to try to keep their best team on the field.
If you want to be an ostrich, fine. We'll just call you JoPa Jr.
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Hahaha, whatever you want to tell yourself.
There's no "academic scandal" at Michigan.
The shit Tressel was involved in his entire career is well documented. This OSU mindset that the only thing wrong was dome innocent kids selling trinkets while Tressrl tried to protect his kids is laughable.
I understand you wanted to change the subject though. You clearly weren't winning the first argument. Kids that go to Oberlin my act like they go to Harvard, but its not. Michigan is a superior school to those you've mentioned. I've provided plenty of reasons why. Tiny little hippie tree hugger school may be ranked high in "Post Medieval English Poetry", and that's great, but it doesn't make it academically superior to Michigan.
If you want to try to just avoid this argument, and make ridiculous claims about Michigan while ignoring OSUs "colorful" history, go ahead. Call Hayes punching a kid "getting caught up in the moment". Call Tressels lying to the NCAA just "protecting his kids" and ignore his entire career of scandal.
Do what you have to do to convince yourself....
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Hahaha, whatever you want to tell yourself.
There's no "academic scandal" at Michigan.
The shit Tressel was involved in his entire career is well documented. This OSU mindset that the only thing wrong was dome innocent kids selling trinkets while Tressrl tried to protect his kids is laughable.
I understand you wanted to change the subject though. You clearly weren't winning the first argument. Kids that go to Oberlin my act like they go to Harvard, but its not. Michigan is a superior school to those you've mentioned. I've provided plenty of reasons why. Tiny little hippie tree hugger school may be ranked high in "Post Medieval English Poetry", and that's great, but it doesn't make it academically superior to Michigan.
If you want to try to just avoid this argument, and make ridiculous claims about Michigan while ignoring OSUs "colorful" history, go ahead. Call Hayes punching a kid "getting caught up in the moment". Call Tressels lying to the NCAA just "protecting his kids" and ignore his entire career of scandal.
Do what you have to do to convince yourself....
Hahaha, whatever you want to tell yourself.
There's no "academic scandal" at Michigan.
Yea, everybody else lies. Nobody at Michigan cheated. Keep convincing yourself.
The shit Tressel was involved in his entire career is well documented. This OSU mindset that the only thing wrong was dome innocent kids selling trinkets while Tressrl tried to protect his kids is laughable.
It is laughable....because it is true. It is laughable not because it is not true, but because it is. Yes, those kids sold the trinkets they were given to them. Again, if they belonged to them, why were they not free to do with them what they want? If they gave them a sticker with a smiley face on it, would they not also be able to dispose of that how they chose?
I understand you wanted to change the subject though. You clearly weren't winning the first argument.
I wasn't winning, I had won. Game, set, match.
Kids that go to Oberlin my act like they go to Harvard, but its not. Michigan is a superior school to those you've mentioned.
Maybe Harvard is considered "better" than Oberlin. (It may not, in fact, be better) Michigan certainly is not.
I've provided plenty of reasons why. Tiny little hippie tree hugger school may be ranked high in "Post Medieval English Poetry", and that's great, but it doesn't make it academically superior to Michigan.
All you have shown is that Michigan is bigger, with more programs. That's it.
If you want to try to just avoid this argument, and make ridiculous claims about Michigan while ignoring OSUs "colorful" history, go ahead. Call Hayes punching a kid "getting caught up in the moment". Call Tressels lying to the NCAA just "protecting his kids" and ignore his entire career of scandal.
Do what you have to do to convince yourself....
What would you call Hayes punch? Premeditated. See how stupid you sound? Comes from a poor education. And you have shown that you can stick your head in the sand as good as any ostrich while the Michigan program is investigated by the NCAA/IRS/FBI/CIA/BBC/XYZ.
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Face it: bottom line, where would you send your kids to college.
I did send my kid to Kenyon. I would have sent him to Oberlin, Denison, John Carroll, Wittenberg, and Miami, Oh. as he was accepted to those schools. Other schools considered but not applied to: Kalamazoo College, Notre Dame (Indiana, not Ohio), Duke, Cornell. He chose to stick to in state schools.
I would not have sent him to Michigan, but don't feel bad, I would not have sent him to Ohio St., or Michigan St. or any of those size schools.
Of course, that was then, this is now. He now works for a Big Ten School: the University of Minnesota, running their pharmacology lab. After a couple of years he will choose a grad school. Cornell is high on that list because he interned there and is familiar with it. I personally would not now mind if he went to Harvard/Stanford/Duke/MIT/Cal-Berkely....and a few others. But that is just because I know their reputations, which may have nothing to do with where he needs to go to pursue his field. He tells me that playing the school "name game" is a fool's game, because the most important thing is the quality of the niche field you will be studying in, and that niche could take him anywhere....Cornell, Minnesota, Michigan State, even Ohio State or Michigan. Or maybe Yabba Dabba Do University.
As for my daughter, she too chose to go to a small school....but instead of an isolated place like Kenyon she is in one of the biggest cities now in the nation: San Antonio. But, it is a nice small school in a big city. And it was her first and only choice. So we didn't go through the same process as with my son.
And her major is going to be sports managment and marketing, so being in a bigger city with internship opportunities around her for doing that is better.
Though, I have given her the website to try to get an internship with the Browns and Indians next summer. Who knows?
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No one gives a shit that they sold their awards. OSU fans ALWAYS miss this point. They broke a rule, whether or not you agree with it, but that wasn't the main point. It was that Tressel LIED to the NCAA to keep ineligible players on the field. That's the scandal. Throw in Pryor driving around in a different brand new car every few weeks, Maurice Clarette, past player statements, and everything that went down at YSU and you've got a dirty coach.
You really think you won that argument? Lol. And you follow that up with "Maybe Oberlin is as good as Harvard".lol .
You posted some "Top Liberal Arts Schools" ranking that had these schools 30 and up. I responded with ranking After ranking of top 20, 10, and 5 program rankings at Michigan. Many of which These LACs have. But now its not fair cuz they're tiny? Alright... "Oberlin doesn't have that.... or that... or that.... or that... but its totally superior!"
How is it superior? What have you shown to say it is? Michigan has vastly more programs and they're all some of the top programs in the country. What have you shown? People from Ohio think Oberlin is Harvard? Oh boy!
Premeditated? Never fucking said that. Don't put words in my mouth, even if its your best strategy here. He punched a player on the other team and got fired. You can write that off as "some poor guy getting caught up in the moment" all you want. Almost every other coach in history seems to have avoided punching a player on the other team just fine.
You are telling ME that I'm putting my head in the sand? HAHAHA. Oh man that's great. Yeah, keep pulling at phantom academic fraud and a scandal from decades ago. Its not like you guys just fired a coach, had wins revoked, and missed a bowl game or anything...
There is a good SI article on Tressel about his time at YSU. You should read it.
And now its just a "name game". "Oberlin is better just because. Also prestige isn't everything anyway so there!"....
Alright. sure, you totally "won" this argument.
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Alright. sure, you totally "won" this argument.
We agree then, and we're done here.
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Hahaha, whatever you say
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Nope just stating the facts rated 5th in the country.You are just a simple, scared, closeted little man, aren't you?
Here is the review;
The University of Michigan-Ann Arbor
Positives: This campus is known mostly for its colossal student body and football team (which means lots of "curious" athletes!), but what many don't realize is that it has perhaps one of the country's finest musical theater programs.
Negatives: Do you know how cold it gets in Michigan? Also, there's not much to do in town off-campus, but with a campus this large, it shouldn't matter.
Which Gays Should Go There: Show queens.
Nope just stating the facts rated 5th in the country.
Here is the review;
The University of Michigan-Ann Arbor
Positives: This campus is known mostly for its colossal student body and football team (which means lots of "curious" athletes!), but what many don't realize is that it has perhaps one of the country's finest musical theater programs.
Negatives: Do you know how cold it gets in Michigan? Also, there's not much to do in town off-campus, but with a campus this large, it shouldn't matter.
Which Gays Should Go There: Show queens.
LOL!!
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