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  • BTW, David Nelson is being counted on even more than before because of Gordon's suspension, creating some size matchups and blending with Little, Bess, and Benjamin for a couple games.

    Should we be bummed that he's starting camp on PUP? After he said he feels like he's 100% ready to go? Not really. Team has him as "day to day," wants to make sure he IS at his best come September, will ease him into action over the first several days of camp. Most likely want to see how the knee responds to jogging/running first.

    He's like 11 months out of surgery so he really should be good to go.

  • Another thing to love: Bengals cut Travelle Wharton, all but admitting that last year's free agent class (including Benjarvis Whatever-Whatever) was a complete washout. I don't think they did anything this year either.

    I just don't see them as the "breakout team" others do. They have a lot of receiving weapons but a so-so QB to keep them down.

  • S Shep

    Another thing to love: Bengals cut Travelle Wharton, all but admitting that last year's free agent class (including Benjarvis Whatever-Whatever) was a complete washout. I don't think they did anything this year either.

    I just don't see them as the "breakout team" others do. They have a lot of receiving weapons but a so-so QB to keep them down.

    @shep said:

    Another thing to love: Bengals cut Travelle Wharton, all but admitting that last year's free agent class (including Benjarvis Whatever-Whatever) was a complete washout. I don't think they did anything this year either.

    I just don't see them as the "breakout team" others do. They have a lot of receiving weapons but a so-so QB to keep them down.

    Don't know Shep, & if you remember, I live in Bungle-land. They're loaded @ WR, the defense is decent- & they resigned all the significant FA's they had.

  • Yeah, but I mean adding guys... which they haven't the past couple years.

    I think Joe Banner belongs atop my list of things to be happy about. I agree with Shaw: He wouldn't agree with much of what Heckert did, though. He wouldn't draft a RB at #3 and Tannehill would almost certainly be our starter.

    http://www.cleveland.com/budshaw/index.ssf/2013/07/post_57.html

  • Gordon's track record of instability one reason Browns go heavy on wr's

  • I get the sense the Browns are giving David Nelson a minor slap on the wrist. He proclaimed himself 100% on June 3, like 7 weeks ago, and has been seen running routes full-speed in the field house, yet he starts camp on the PUP.

    Why? Maybe because he didn't rehab or work out in Cleveland at all. He did some amazing humanitarian work in Haiti but I'm not sure how far that goes with a head football coach. There's a little bit of "fuck you" in saying we could take him off the PUP any day but we need to gauge his health. His surgery was like 11 months ago, a lifetime in today's ACL recovery standards.

    Frankly, showing a little interest in Donald Jones should spook Nelson, too. Nelson's quote that he's 100% devoted to the team and the city sounded like a guy who knows his coach wasn't very happy with his absence.

    He could be crazy valuable. Just read he's had 6 drops in 150 targets, which is fantastic. He's 6'5" and can run, too. If he's 100%, I wanna see some formations with Bess and Nelson in the slots between Benjamin and Little.

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  • - Horton doesn't gives a shit what Mingo weighs. Says he wants an athlete who can get around the edge. Team will emphasize "legal punishment of the QB." Love it large.

    - While praising Weeden's improvement, Chud still calls it a competition. There's a strong sense among the new brass that the youngsters were way too entitled last year and need to be righted.

    - Horton says Bademosi has been "good, not great" in converting to safety. I still say if Slaughter proves he's 100% to back up or compete with Gipson, Bademosi moves back to corner where we need some size.

  • I should add that Horton seems to like the idea that corners can be safeties and vice-versa, all a matter of the package and who's standing in front of whom. Bademosi might list as a safety but cover larger receivers on third down. It's not gonna be as didactic as we're used to.

  • S Shep

    I get the sense the Browns are giving David Nelson a minor slap on the wrist. He proclaimed himself 100% on June 3, like 7 weeks ago, and has been seen running routes full-speed in the field house, yet he starts camp on the PUP.

    Why? Maybe because he didn't rehab or work out in Cleveland at all. He did some amazing humanitarian work in Haiti but I'm not sure how far that goes with a head football coach. There's a little bit of "fuck you" in saying we could take him off the PUP any day but we need to gauge his health. His surgery was like 11 months ago, a lifetime in today's ACL recovery standards.

    Frankly, showing a little interest in Donald Jones should spook Nelson, too. Nelson's quote that he's 100% devoted to the team and the city sounded like a guy who knows his coach wasn't very happy with his absence.

    He could be crazy valuable. Just read he's had 6 drops in 150 targets, which is fantastic. He's 6'5" and can run, too. If he's 100%, I wanna see some formations with Bess and Nelson in the slots between Benjamin and Little.

    @shep said:

    I get the sense the Browns are giving David Nelson a minor slap on the wrist. He proclaimed himself 100% on June 3, like 7 weeks ago, and has been seen running routes full-speed in the field house, yet he starts camp on the PUP.

    Why? Maybe because he didn't rehab or work out in Cleveland at all. He did some amazing humanitarian work in Haiti but I'm not sure how far that goes with a head football coach. There's a little bit of "fuck you" in saying we could take him off the PUP any day but we need to gauge his health. His surgery was like 11 months ago, a lifetime in today's ACL recovery standards.

    Frankly, showing a little interest in Donald Jones should spook Nelson, too. Nelson's quote that he's 100% devoted to the team and the city sounded like a guy who knows his coach wasn't very happy with his absence.

    He could be crazy valuable. Just read he's had 6 drops in 150 targets, which is fantastic. He's 6'5" and can run, too. If he's 100%, I wanna see some formations with Bess and Nelson in the slots between Benjamin and Little.

    So, who is this Donald Jones.....and will getting him satisfy Ghoolie's desire to pick up a top speed burner?

  • Uh, no. Has shown some promise in Buffalo. Some 470 yards last year. Good player, will land on a roster.

  • Some good points Shep. I like that we are still signing guys. We just signed a receiver, Naanam Roosevelt...not a household name by any means, but he managed to stick with the Bills for 3 years, so who knows?

    You don't just build a team or unit from the top down. Good teams also try to build from the bottom up.

    I like it.

    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.

  • There's a WR out there somewhere who might be on the team for two regular season games, then gone.

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  • S Shep

    There's a WR out there somewhere who might be on the team for two regular season games, then gone.

    @shep said:

    There's a WR out there somewhere who might be on the team for two regular season games, then gone.

    Here are the WRs currently on the roster

    Josh Cooper

    Jordan Norwood

    Keenan Davis

    Cordell Roberson

    Naaman Roosevelt.

    Mike Edwards.

    Greg Little

    Travis Benjamin

    Tori Gurley

    Dominique Croom

    David Nelson

    Davone Bess

    That's a dozen. Davis, Roberson, Croom and Edwards are rookies. What I am not sure of is, if they kept one of them on the roster for 2 games, whether or not they could then shift them to the practice squad after that. I tend to think not.

    There are 8 other veterans.

    I think it is fair to say that Little, Benjamin, Bess and Gordon are pretty safe for their roster spots.

    How many WRs do you think they will retain on the 53 man roster?

    Maybe they brought in a guy like Roosevelt to be that guy they keep for 2 games while Gordon is on suspension. Or someone else?

  • Teams usually only dress five unless one guy is secretly a ST player.

    The Browns clear five are Gordon, Little, Bess, Benjamin, and Nelson... assuming health. A sixth roster spot goes to... Josh Cooper? But some (including Grossi) have made the point that there are so many other guys who like the slot (Bess, Nelson, Gordon), do you keep a PURE slot like Cooper? Or do you make that sixth guy (who only dresses in emergency) someone with a higher upside? I know there's intrigue about Gurley perhaps evolving into a TE/WR hybrid, for instance.

    My gut says Cooper ends up making it because of his relationship with Weeds... and he's a good player. So does one of those other guys stick temporarily, for those two games? It's not absolutely necessary. You just bump #6 to #5 and let him dress (like Cooper, for instance).

    First two games are GREAT opportunities for Benjamin, who really intrigues Chorv... and Jordan Cameron.

  • Litte improved dramatically the second half of last season. Hopefully he keeps it up this year.

    "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.

  • I dont know that this regime is the kind that would let a guy hang around just for having a relationship with another player.

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    I dont know that this regime is the kind that would let a guy hang around just for having a relationship with another player.

    @pl4tinum said:

    I dont know that this regime is the kind that would let a guy hang around just for having a relationship with another player.

    Depends on the "relationship"... 😉

    I still maintain that the "unexpected" competition from Gordon for #1 WR is what prompted Little's improvement last year.

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  • S Shep

    There's a WR out there somewhere who might be on the team for two regular season games, then gone.

    @shep said:

    There's a WR out there somewhere who might be on the team for two regular season games, then gone.

    Not sure if you are replying to me or not....I think Roosevelt stuck entire seasons.

    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
    The GipperT 1 Reply

  • Gurley is an intriguing big body. A hybrid WR/TE role would likely suit him well.

  • There's no excuses for Weeden. He has a terrific, kick ass oline, a nice upgraded wr core,

    te's (Cameron may very well become a star, I think), Richardson and the rest of the rb's...(I want to see Lewis play...),

    an aggressive system, with aggressive coaches.

    I hope he doesn't feel the pressure...but it's going to be there. Everything is in place now, for him to shine in a dramatic way.

    And the front seven on defense? That's scary stuff for any opposing offense they play. I imagine the NFL qb's who face

    this Browns front seven on a third and long, aren't going to have much time to make a play.

    The question of how many wr's will they keep and which ones, confounds me. But it's a great, new problem for the Browns to have.

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