Government Shutdown Over Obamacare
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I fear shutting down the government about as much as I feared sequester. And about as much as I fear being eaten by sparrows.
WSS
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I think using the continued threat of a government shutdown or refusing to raise the debt limit are indications of a political system/Party that has ceased to function properly.
Here's how I'd rather see it work: the 2012 election was a referendum on, among other things, Obamacare. And Obama got 8 million more votes than Mitt Romney. If you wanted to repeal Obamacare, that was the time to do it. But you lost. In an election.
What shouldn't come next is the phase where you sabotage the law. They should be working to fix what's wrong with it, or offering their own proposals on health care. (Remember repeal and replace? Whoever could have guessed that they only had one part of that in mind!)
The Republican Party simply isn't interested anymore. You guys are perfect examples. You don't have ideas about policies. You have ideas about people you don't like.
That's not what politics is for. That's what therapy is for.
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I think that setting a debt limit or any kind of spending parameters that mean absolutely nothing is just about par for your course.
WSS
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From the looks of it you don't seem to know what the debt limit is. It's not a spending parameter. It doesn't constrain spending. The spending has already been authorized and the money has already gone out. We raise the debt limit to pay our bills. By not raising the debt ceiling, the Republicans are threatening to have the US default on its obligations - not pay the bills on money we've already spent - in order to get their way.
You think that's how our system should work?
But hey, you got to make it about me. I'm so glad I can perform this function for you guys. Some people burn effigies. People who believe in voodoo use a doll. You guys have me.
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Heh.
no problem bud. The credit card is maxed out? Just get your limit raised. Who cares? When the shit hits the fan somebody else will probably be in the Oval Office and get reamed for it.
And remember we made those laws those limits at cetera just to placate the rubes.
WSS
WSS
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If you could only find facts to marry with your opinions, or type more than partisan angst, or more than a paragraph at a time, you might be interesting to someone who knew more than Cal.
Have fun impressing him with "the credit card is maxed out" and "every Democratic policy has only one goal: to buy votes."
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answer me this then: why do we even have a debt ceiling?
(besides the fact that evil Republicans forced them on the pure of heart)
WSS
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We shouldn't have a debt ceiling. It serves no function. And now instead of being a harmless formality, it's a hostage. So yes, do away with it entirely.
The spending exists whether or not we have a debt ceiling. If you want to cut spending, cut spending. If you want to raise spending, raise spending. But don't do either and then not pay for the spending you just voted to spend. It's absurd.
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Raising the debt ceiliing allows for more and more and more and more and more spending,
incurring more and more and more and more bills, which makes less and less and less and less
and less sense because our national debt it AT critical mass right now.
But the dems are in control of the exec branch, and Senate, so you want to keep
spending and incurring more bills.
Until the reps have the WH and Senate and House. Then you will revert back to "Our national debt is
spending our children's futures to oblivion, and it is unpatriotic of this Republican president".
It all emotionally switches, depending on your political bent.
The rest of us hate the debt the whole entire time.
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Norm Ornstein: "When a law is enacted, representatives who opposed it have some choices (which are not mutually exclusive). They can try to repeal it, which is perfectly acceptable--unless it becomes an effort at grandstanding so overdone that it detracts from other basic responsibilities of governing. They can try to amend it to make it work better--not just perfectly acceptable but desirable, if the goal is to improve a cumbersome law to work better for the betterment of the society and its people. They can strive to make sure that the law does the most for Americans it is intended to serve, including their own constituents, while doing the least damage to the society and the economy. Or they can step aside and leave the burden of implementation to those who supported the law and got it enacted in the first place."
"But to do everything possible to undercut and destroy its implementation--which in this case means finding ways to deny coverage to many who lack any health insurance; to keep millions who might be able to get better and cheaper coverage in the dark about their new options; to create disruption for the health providers who are trying to implement the law, including insurers, hospitals, and physicians; to threaten the even greater disruption via a government shutdown or breach of the debt limit in order to blackmail the president into abandoning the law; and to hope to benefit politically from all the resulting turmoil--is simply unacceptable, even contemptible." -
We pause now, for a word from realityland, after Heck's last biased post:
1. Obamao himself has delayed about 9 elements' of Obamaocare's implementation all by himself.
2. For real information on why Obamaocare must be repealed:
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Sen. Richard Burr (R-NC) on Thursday tore into efforts by his GOP colleagues to shut down the government if Democrats don't agree to defund Obamacare.
"I think it's the dumbest idea I've ever heard of," he told reporters. "Listen, as long as Barack Obama is president, the Affordable Care Act is going to be law."
"I was around in '95. I think some of these guys need to understand, you shut down the federal government, you better have a specific reason to do it that's achievable. Defunding the Affordable Care Act is not achievable through shutting down the federal government."
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Burr isn't anymore a genuine conservative than John McCain.
He's a rino. try again.
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See, Cal can use Google AND copy and paste
Check mate
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Burr isn't anymore a genuine conservative than John McCain.
He's a rino. try again.
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Everyone with a head on their shoulders is a RINO.
How about Tom Coburn, too. Also RINO?
Byron York: "Tensions inside the Republican Party about a proposal to defund Obamacare reached a new level Friday when Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK), a lawmaker with unsurpassed credibility in the field of cutting federal spending and limiting the size of government, called the defunding plan 'dishonest' and 'hype.'"
Said Coburn: "I'd love to defund it. I'd be leading the charge if I thought this would work. But it will not work." -
"head on their shoulders" is more like
"pantywaist" Eyore cya to me.
Even the dems are frantically bailing on Obamaocare.
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IRS employee union: We don’t want Obamacare -
the biggest mistake is letting this lousy law become fully implemented....
last hurrah for the House republicans to do the right thing.... DO NOT FUND THIS piece of garbage...
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Obama care is the worst piece of garbage to ever hit Capital Hill. I can't believe these fools actually voted for it. Hopefully they will repeal it and we can get back to normalcy after we elect a good President in 2016.
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Here's a smart analysis from Hannity:
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"The time has come July 26, 2013The time has come for conservatives to defund ObamaCare.
Republicans in the House have voted over 30 times to repeal ObamaCare, but with Democrats in control of the Senate and the presidency, it's impossible to see how that will make impact. Yesterday on the program, Senator Ted Cruz called these votes meaningless. Republicans need to be realistic about the power that they do have; Republicans control the House, which means they control the purse strings. This means that their power lies in their ability to strip funding from ObamaCare.
Twelve Senators, led by conservative rising stars Mike Lee, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio and Rand Paul, have sent a letter to Harry Reid saying that they will not vote for any spending bill that funds ObamaCare. Part of the letter reads, “If the administration will not enforce the law as written, then the American people should not be forced to fund it.” More than a quarter of Republicans in the House sent a similar letter to John Boehner saying that a vote to fund the government shouldn't happen unless that bill does not include funding for ObamaCare.
If every Republican in Congress (House and Senate) supported the effort to defund ObamaCare, then it is possible. But just like anything in Washington, it's not that easy. There are some Republicans who will likely view the idea with a healthy dose of skepticism. I can't blame them. There's no doubt that taking a stand to defund ObamaCare will be met with the full force of a hysterical Democrat PR campaign. You thought the hyperbole over sequestration was bad? Wait until you try and defund their biggest legislative victory in decades. More grannies will be pushed off cliffs. All children, not just the poor and disabled children, will be forced to fend for themselves. And don't forget that the administration has brought race into the issue, comparing opponents of ObamaCare to opponents of civil rights legislation. It will be ugly. But we didn't send these people to Washington to lie down in the face of false, hyperbolic PR campaigns. We sent them to Washington to stand for conservative principles. You can read this WSJ opinion piece on the unworkability of ObamaCare that was written by Republican Governors Bobby Jindal and Scott Walker. The bottom line is that this is not good for the country and flies in the face of virtually every conservative principle as it relates to government.
Republicans are willing to offer up a spending bill to fund the rest of the government, just not ObamaCare. If that's the case, and Democrats refuse to accept it, then it will be the Democrats who would be shutting down the government over ObamaCare. However, I doubt that is how the Obama-mania media will report it.
The time has come for Republicans in Congress to support the defunding of ObamaCare, and if you don't then you deserve to be primaried."
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