Also Ran Qbs? #mcnabb?
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He was a a very good QB on a very good team. But he wasn't great.
He was never "the best" at his position for a single period of time.
He didn't lead his team to a championship.
He never threw for 4,000 yards in a season.
Completion percentage under 60% in an era where 60% was average.
His "good years" basically spanned the decade 2000-2009.
But if I am picking an "all decade team" for those years, he is riding the pine behind:
1. Manning
2. Brady
3. Warner
He would be fourth best, and I think you draw the HOF line after the top three.
And then you have Ben and Eli, who came in the middle of the decade and have two rings a piece, and Brees who came into prominence later in the decade, has a ring and still going strong.
There's six contemporaries who will have better resumes coming Hall voting time.
I think McNabb joins McNair in the "very good, but not Hall of Famers" category, although I would have him above McNair.
Zombo
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He was a a very good QB on a very good team. But he wasn't great.
He was never "the best" at his position for a single period of time.
He didn't lead his team to a championship.
He never threw for 4,000 yards in a season.
Completion percentage under 60% in an era where 60% was average.
His "good years" basically spanned the decade 2000-2009.
But if I am picking an "all decade team" for those years, he is riding the pine behind:
1. Manning
2. Brady
3. Warner
He would be fourth best, and I think you draw the HOF line after the top three.
And then you have Ben and Eli, who came in the middle of the decade and have two rings a piece, and Brees who came into prominence later in the decade, has a ring and still going strong.
There's six contemporaries who will have better resumes coming Hall voting time.
I think McNabb joins McNair in the "very good, but not Hall of Famers" category, although I would have him above McNair.
Zombo
Zombo said:
He was a a very good QB on a very good team. But he wasn't great.
He was never "the best" at his position for a single period of time.
He didn't lead his team to a championship.
He never threw for 4,000 yards in a season.
Completion percentage under 60% in an era where 60% was average.
His "good years" basically spanned the decade 2000-2009.
But if I am picking an "all decade team" for those years, he is riding the pine behind:
1. Manning
2. Brady
3. Warner
He would be fourth best, and I think you draw the HOF line after the top three.
And then you have Ben and Eli, who came in the middle of the decade and have two rings a piece, and Brees who came into prominence later in the decade, has a ring and still going strong.
There's six contemporaries who will have better resumes coming Hall voting time.
I think McNabb joins McNair in the "very good, but not Hall of Famers" category, although I would have him above McNair.
Zombo
I agree..McNabb never did anything for Me..I thought he was just slightly better than average. But always found a way to choke in the big games...
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I kinda think you are right Z. Here are the QBs who so far have not been inducted into the HOF who have had the most productive careers. A few are obviously not eligible yet. These are the PFR career production numbers:
Favre 254
P. Manning 235
Brady 178
Ken Anderson 161
Brees 160
John Hadl 144
Vinny Testaverde 142
John Brodie 141
Dave Kreig 138
Donovan McNabb 138
Drew Bledsoe 137
Jim Hart 136
Boomer Esiason 135
Randall Cunningham 134
Roman Gabriel 132
Steve McNair 126
Rich Gannon 120
Mark Brunell 120
Phil Simms 118
Craig Morton 117
So, you can see where he fits on total career productivity. (Yes, for this, longevity helps some guys...like Vinny)
FYI, McNabb's productivity stats are actually better than the following: Bart Starr, Aikman, Jim Kelly, Van Brocklin, Staubach.
Another interesting note here: Ken Anderson is #2 on the list of most productive career players who are not in the HOF, yet who are eligible. Jim Marshall DE is #1.
I for one would probably advocate that Anderson is more HOF worthy than McNabb. Then there is Hadl, who actually won an AFL title.
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And who should go in first: McNabb..or Plunkett, Stabler, Theisman?
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And who should go in first: McNabb..or Plunkett, Stabler, Theisman?
And who should go in first: McNabb..or Plunkett, Stabler, Theisman?
None of them.
Zombo
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And who should go in first: McNabb..or Plunkett, Stabler, Theisman?
None of them.
Zombo
Zombo said:
None of them.
Zombo
What about Anderson?
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Zombo said:
None of them.
Zombo
What about Anderson?
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Randall Cunningham did play in an NFC Title Game with the Vikings in 1998 (the infamous Gary Anderson miss)
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And who should go in first: McNabb..or Plunkett, Stabler, Theisman?
None of them.
Zombo
agree completely. All these other greats are going to basically be slapped in the face when you start putting "above average" guys in the hall. How do think all the other Nobel prize winners felt when fucking Barack Obama won it. Same way I see itZombo said:
None of them.
Zombo
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agree completely. All these other greats are going to basically be slapped in the face when you start putting "above average" guys in the hall. How do think all the other Nobel prize winners felt when fucking Barack Obama won it. Same way I see itZombo said:
None of them.
Zombo
agree completely. All these other greats are going to basically be slapped in the face when you start putting "above average" guys in the hall. How do think all the other Nobel prize winners felt when fucking Barack Obama won it. Same way I see it
Have you seen the list of people who HAVE won it? The answer is: they feel honored:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_Peace_Prize_laureates
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agree completely. All these other greats are going to basically be slapped in the face when you start putting "above average" guys in the hall. How do think all the other Nobel prize winners felt when fucking Barack Obama won it. Same way I see it
Have you seen the list of people who HAVE won it? The answer is: they feel honored:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_Peace_Prize_laureates
sure they doHave you seen the list of people who HAVE won it? The answer is: they feel honored:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_Peace_Prize_laureates
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sure they doHave you seen the list of people who HAVE won it? The answer is: they feel honored:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_Peace_Prize_laureates
sure they do
Well, some do. 3/4ths of them are dead.
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If you put Mcnanny in the hall, it lessens it for everyone else IMO
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McNabb isn't getting into the Hall. As has been said many times, it's the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Very Good.
However, worms everywhere are rejoicing that he's retiring.
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