Whence the Quarterbacks
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Given that there's a distinct possibility that EJ Manuel won't be playing week 1 through injury or Kolb-ness, there'd be no rookie QBs starting. First time since...? Gipper, get on it, there's some trivia for ya
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Given that there's a distinct possibility that EJ Manuel won't be playing week 1 through injury or Kolb-ness, there'd be no rookie QBs starting. First time since...? Gipper, get on it, there's some trivia for ya
Given that there's a distinct possibility that EJ Manuel won't be playing week 1 through injury or Kolb-ness, there'd be no rookie QBs starting. First time since...? Gipper, get on it, there's some trivia for ya
I think Tuel is slated to start if Manuel doesn't ... so rookie either way!
Zombo
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Given that there's a distinct possibility that EJ Manuel won't be playing week 1 through injury or Kolb-ness, there'd be no rookie QBs starting. First time since...? Gipper, get on it, there's some trivia for ya
I think Tuel is slated to start if Manuel doesn't ... so rookie either way!
Zombo
Zombo said:
I think Tuel is slated to start if Manuel doesn't ... so rookie either way!
Zombo
Did not realise that. Jeff Tuel vs Tom Brady...honestly, it could go either way.
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Apart and aside from all the guys listed above, here are the other QBs taken in the first round of the draft since Peyton Manning's year, and the categories I place them in:
Good:
Donovan McNabb
Chad Pennington
Dante Culpepper
Average:
Tim Couch
Rex Grossman
Byron Leftwich
Jason Campbell
David Carr
Bad News Bears:
Ryan Leaf
Cade McNown
Akili Smith
Patrick Ramsey
Joey Harrington
Kyle Boller
JP Losman
Matt Leinert
Vince Young
Brady Quinn
Jamarcus Russell
Tim Tebow.
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2004 will still go down as the best QB draft class since 83? when Marino and the gang were picked. 2012 could also easily fit that bill.
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Given that there's a distinct possibility that EJ Manuel won't be playing week 1 through injury or Kolb-ness, there'd be no rookie QBs starting. First time since...? Gipper, get on it, there's some trivia for ya
Given that there's a distinct possibility that EJ Manuel won't be playing week 1 through injury or Kolb-ness, there'd be no rookie QBs starting. First time since...? Gipper, get on it, there's some trivia for ya
If you ask a question....you must know the answer. But I am going to make a guess and say possibly 2007. That was the year the Great Smashing Pumpkins when it came to QBs: Jamarcus Russell and Brady Quinn were the 2 first rounders. I know Quinn didn't start....and I don't think Russell was given the starting job out of the gate that year.
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Given that there's a distinct possibility that EJ Manuel won't be playing week 1 through injury or Kolb-ness, there'd be no rookie QBs starting. First time since...? Gipper, get on it, there's some trivia for ya
I think Tuel is slated to start if Manuel doesn't ... so rookie either way!
Zombo
Zombo said:
I think Tuel is slated to start if Manuel doesn't ... so rookie either way!
Zombo
But the Bills picked up Matt Leinert and Thad Lewis too, didn't they?
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Given that there's a distinct possibility that EJ Manuel won't be playing week 1 through injury or Kolb-ness, there'd be no rookie QBs starting. First time since...? Gipper, get on it, there's some trivia for ya
If you ask a question....you must know the answer. But I am going to make a guess and say possibly 2007. That was the year the Great Smashing Pumpkins when it came to QBs: Jamarcus Russell and Brady Quinn were the 2 first rounders. I know Quinn didn't start....and I don't think Russell was given the starting job out of the gate that year.
If you ask a question....you must know the answer. But I am going to make a guess and say possibly 2007. That was the year the Great Smashing Pumpkins when it came to QBs: Jamarcus Russell and Brady Quinn were the 2 first rounders. I know Quinn didn't start....and I don't think Russell was given the starting job out of the gate that year.
Nope, not a clue - my NFL knowledge stretches back about a year!
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2004 will still go down as the best QB draft class since 83? when Marino and the gang were picked. 2012 could also easily fit that bill.
2004 will still go down as the best QB draft class since 83? when Marino and the gang were picked. 2012 could also easily fit that bill.
Well, lets look at that, shall we. Here are the most productive members of each quarterback draft class since 1983 inclusive:
1983: Elway, Marino, Kelly, OBrien, Eason
1984: Steve Young, Esiason, Hostetler, Schroeder
1985: Kosar, Cunningham, Bono
1986: Jim Everett, Rypien, Brister
1987: Testaverde, Chris Miller, Jim Harbaugh, Rich Gannon, Steve Beuerlein, Majkowski
1988: Chris Chandler, Stan Humphries
1989: Aikman, Rodney Peete
1990: O'Donnell, Jeff George
1991: Favre, Craig Erickson
1992: Maddox, Jeff Blake, Brad Johnson
1993: Bledsoe, Brunell, Grbac, Trent Green
1994: Dilfer, Frerotte
1995: McNair, Kerry Collins, Kordell Stewart
1996: Tony Banks
1997: Jake Plummer
1998: P. Manning, M. Hasselbeck, Charlie Batch, Brian Griese
1999: McNabb, Culpepper, Aaron Brooks, Couch
2000: Brady, Pennington, Bulger
2001: Vick, Brees
2002: Carr, Harrington, David Garrard
2003: Palmer, Leftwich, Grossman
2004: E. Manning, Rivers, Roethlisberger, Schaub
2005: Alex Smith, Rodgers, J. Campbell, Orton
2006: Cutler, Vince Young
2007: Kolb, Trent Edward
2008: Matt Ryan, Flacco, Chud Henne
2009: Stafford, Sanchez, Josh Freeman
2010: Bradford.... Tebow, McCoy? (they are the next best two in terms of production)
2011: Newton, Ponder, Dalton, Kaepernick
These are not necessarily in order of most productive QB per year....but these groups are the most productive QBs of that particular year. A few years, like 1996-97 really only had one person worth mentioning.
Note: those in Bold are in the HOF. Those in italics are good chances for future HOF. RED means Super Bowl winner. Blue means Super Bowl loser
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Zombo said:
I think Tuel is slated to start if Manuel doesn't ... so rookie either way!
Zombo
But the Bills picked up Matt Leinert and Thad Lewis too, didn't they?
But the Bills picked up Matt Leinert and Thad Lewis too, didn't they?
Yes ... But Teul starts if Manuel doesn't.
Zombo
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27 of the 32 starters were first or second round picks. 24 were first round picks. Brees, Kaep, and Dalton were very high 2nd round picks, BTW. Wilson, Brady, and Romo are the only current "exceptions," guys were true finds after round 2.
But Pryor is on track to start in Oakland, not whatsisname.
Bottom line: Starting quarterback is the most first-round-centric position in football.
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27 of the 32 starters were first or second round picks. 24 were first round picks. Brees, Kaep, and Dalton were very high 2nd round picks, BTW. Wilson, Brady, and Romo are the only current "exceptions," guys were true finds after round 2.
But Pryor is on track to start in Oakland, not whatsisname.
Bottom line: Starting quarterback is the most first-round-centric position in football.
27 of the 32 starters were first or second round picks. 24 were first round picks. Brees, Kaep, and Dalton were very high 2nd round picks, BTW. Wilson, Brady, and Romo are the only current "exceptions," guys were true finds after round 2.
But Pryor is on track to start in Oakland, not whatsisname.
Bottom line: Starting quarterback is the most first-round-centric position in football.
I don't think Pryor starting is absolutely determined yet. He was a supplemental draft pick...but I can't recall the round. It wasn't first...second?
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2004 will still go down as the best QB draft class since 83? when Marino and the gang were picked. 2012 could also easily fit that bill.
Well, lets look at that, shall we. Here are the most productive members of each quarterback draft class since 1983 inclusive:
1983: Elway, Marino, Kelly, OBrien, Eason
1984: Steve Young, Esiason, Hostetler, Schroeder
1985: Kosar, Cunningham, Bono
1986: Jim Everett, Rypien, Brister
1987: Testaverde, Chris Miller, Jim Harbaugh, Rich Gannon, Steve Beuerlein, Majkowski
1988: Chris Chandler, Stan Humphries
1989: Aikman, Rodney Peete
1990: O'Donnell, Jeff George
1991: Favre, Craig Erickson
1992: Maddox, Jeff Blake, Brad Johnson
1993: Bledsoe, Brunell, Grbac, Trent Green
1994: Dilfer, Frerotte
1995: McNair, Kerry Collins, Kordell Stewart
1996: Tony Banks
1997: Jake Plummer
1998: P. Manning, M. Hasselbeck, Charlie Batch, Brian Griese
1999: McNabb, Culpepper, Aaron Brooks, Couch
2000: Brady, Pennington, Bulger
2001: Vick, Brees
2002: Carr, Harrington, David Garrard
2003: Palmer, Leftwich, Grossman
2004: E. Manning, Rivers, Roethlisberger, Schaub
2005: Alex Smith, Rodgers, J. Campbell, Orton
2006: Cutler, Vince Young
2007: Kolb, Trent Edward
2008: Matt Ryan, Flacco, Chud Henne
2009: Stafford, Sanchez, Josh Freeman
2010: Bradford.... Tebow, McCoy? (they are the next best two in terms of production)
2011: Newton, Ponder, Dalton, Kaepernick
These are not necessarily in order of most productive QB per year....but these groups are the most productive QBs of that particular year. A few years, like 1996-97 really only had one person worth mentioning.
Note: those in Bold are in the HOF. Those in italics are good chances for future HOF. RED means Super Bowl winner. Blue means Super Bowl loser
Well, lets look at that, shall we. Here are the most productive members of each quarterback draft class since 1983 inclusive:
These are not necessarily in order of most productive QB per year....but these groups are the most productive QBs of that particular year. A few years, like 1996-97 really only had one person worth mentioning.
Note: those in Bold are in the HOF. Those in italics are good chances for future HOF. RED means Super Bowl winner. Blue means Super Bowl loser
Interesting. When I gauge that list I was seemingly looking at franchise level QB's. looking over that, I would still contend 2004 was the best year since 83/84. Even though Rivers is declining now all 4 of those guys have been franchise level for years. There seemingly wasn't another class with more than two, or more than one with super bowl rings.
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Well, lets look at that, shall we. Here are the most productive members of each quarterback draft class since 1983 inclusive:
These are not necessarily in order of most productive QB per year....but these groups are the most productive QBs of that particular year. A few years, like 1996-97 really only had one person worth mentioning.
Note: those in Bold are in the HOF. Those in italics are good chances for future HOF. RED means Super Bowl winner. Blue means Super Bowl loser
Interesting. When I gauge that list I was seemingly looking at franchise level QB's. looking over that, I would still contend 2004 was the best year since 83/84. Even though Rivers is declining now all 4 of those guys have been franchise level for years. There seemingly wasn't another class with more than two, or more than one with super bowl rings.
Interesting. When I gauge that list I was seemingly looking at franchise level QB's. looking over that, I would still contend 2004 was the best year since 83/84. Even though Rivers is declining now all 4 of those guys have been franchise level for years. There seemingly wasn't another class with more than two, or more than one with super bowl rings.
Well, if you recall, there was a long time thought that the vaunted class of 1983 could end up without any SB rings. Those guys had all fallen short: Eason lost one, Kelly 4, Elway 3, Marino 1....until Elway's final hurrah in the late 90s that got him his rings. But, for 15 years...1983-1998 they had none.
That class of 2004 has already doubled 1983 ring total.
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OK, as for which draft class produced the most Super Bowl winning QBs, here you go:
1979: 5 4 for Montana and 1 for Phil Simms
1970: 4 4 for Bradshaw
2004: 4 2 for E. Manning 2 for Ben Roethlisberger
1971: 3 2 for Plunkett, 1 for Theisman
1989: 3 3 for Aikman
2000: 3 3 for Brady
1956: 2.5 2 for Starr....and I give a half one to Earl Morrall who started the entire 1972 Dolphins season, but not the SB
1967: 2 2 for Bob Griese
1964: 2 2 for Roger Staubach
1983: 2 2 for John Elway
1955: 1 1 for John Unitas
1957: 1 1 for Len Dawson
1965: 1 1 for Joe Namath
1968: 1 1 for Ken Stabler
1978: 1 1 for Doug Williams
1982: 1 1 for Jim McMahon
1984: 1 1 for Steve Young
1986: 1 1 for Mark Rypien
1991: 1 1 for Bret Favre
1992: 1 1 for Brad Johnson
1994: 1 1 for Trent Dilfer
1998: 1 1 for Peyton Manning
2001: 1 1 for Drew Brees
2005: 1 1 for Aaron Rodgers
2008: 1 1 for Joe Flacco
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OK, as for which draft class produced the most Super Bowl winning QBs, here you go:
1979: 5 4 for Montana and 1 for Phil Simms
1970: 4 4 for Bradshaw
2004: 4 2 for E. Manning 2 for Ben Roethlisberger
1971: 3 2 for Plunkett, 1 for Theisman
1989: 3 3 for Aikman
2000: 3 3 for Brady
1956: 2.5 2 for Starr....and I give a half one to Earl Morrall who started the entire 1972 Dolphins season, but not the SB
1967: 2 2 for Bob Griese
1964: 2 2 for Roger Staubach
1983: 2 2 for John Elway
1955: 1 1 for John Unitas
1957: 1 1 for Len Dawson
1965: 1 1 for Joe Namath
1968: 1 1 for Ken Stabler
1978: 1 1 for Doug Williams
1982: 1 1 for Jim McMahon
1984: 1 1 for Steve Young
1986: 1 1 for Mark Rypien
1991: 1 1 for Bret Favre
1992: 1 1 for Brad Johnson
1994: 1 1 for Trent Dilfer
1998: 1 1 for Peyton Manning
2001: 1 1 for Drew Brees
2005: 1 1 for Aaron Rodgers
2008: 1 1 for Joe Flacco
OK, as for which draft class produced the most Super Bowl winning QBs, here you go:
I am going to make some additions to this chart to include all draft classes going back to 1936, and to add some additional matters to some of these current stats:
1944: 9 7 for Otto Graham, 2 for Bob Waterfield
1956: 5.5 5 for Bart Starr, 1.5 for Morrall who started for Dolphins regular season but not postseason
1979: 5 4 for Montana and 1 for Phil Simms
1970: 4 4 for Bradshaw
2004: 4 2 for E. Manning 2 for Ben Roethlisberger
1957: 4 2 for Len Dawson, 2 for Jack Kemp
1939: 4 4 for Sid Luckman
1955: 3 3 for John Unitas
1949: 3 2 for George Blanda, 1 for Norm Van Brocklin
1971: 3 2 for Plunkett, 1 for Theisman
1989: 3 3 for Aikman
2000: 3 3 for Brady
1956: 2.5 2 for Starr....and I give a half one to Earl Morrall who started the entire 1972 Dolphins season, but not the SB
1950: 2 2 for Tobin Rote
1948: 2 2 for Bobby Layne
1952: 2 1 for Bill Wade 1 for Don Heinrich
1937: 2 2 for Sammy Baugh
1967: 2 2 for Bob Griese
1964: 2 2 for Roger Staubach
1983: 2 2 for John Elway
1940: 2 2 for Tommy Thompson (though he was undrafted)
1994: 2 1 for Trent Dilfer, 1 for Kurt Warner (undrafted)
1955: 1 1 for John Unitas
1957: 1 1 for Len Dawson
1965: 1 1 for Joe Namath
1968: 1 1 for Ken Stabler
1978: 1 1 for Doug Williams
1982: 1 1 for Jim McMahon
1984: 1 1 for Steve Young
1986: 1 1 for Mark Rypien
1991: 1 1 for Bret Favre
1992: 1 1 for Brad Johnson
1994: 1 1 for Trent Dilfer
1998: 1 1 for Peyton Manning
2001: 1 1 for Drew Brees
2005: 1 1 for Aaron Rodgers
2008: 1 1 for Joe Flacco
1958: 1 1 for Frank Ryan
1943: 1 1 for Irv Comp
1941: 1 1 for Paul Christman
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WOW over load On QBs great job thou
WOW over load On QBs great job thou
You will be tested on all this
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