Syria
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I don't think we have any moral obligation to be the worlds police force anymore. We cannot control what happens in the middle east. Or if some crazy people get ahold of WMD. If it is a direct threat to the USA or our allies, then yes of course. This is a civil war and I'm not at all convinced that the Syrian government is the ones who used them.
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Actually gentlemen, nobody lied about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Saddam Hussein said he had them gave the Unitednations a list of them and then hindered the searches that were meant to find them. Yes we got some bad intelligence and yes by the time we finally invaded they were gone. Perhaps Saddam Hussein was bluffing. If so tough shit for him. But if we did get bad intelligence purposely why would we not suspect the same here? And yes Chris the rest of the civilized world has a responsibility to stop this type of atrocity. As soon as we are poitive that it wasn't planted.
if I were one of these rebels, who we pretty much agree are scum bags, that seems like a smart thing to do. Deliver a little gas make it look like Asad and have Obama do your dirty work for you. I'm not saying I do that's what happened but...
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I'm not saying we need Team America to come in and save the mutha-fucking day now, I mean the rest of the world. A concerted effot, by the world's nations, united against this kind of thing. If only there were some organisation that united nations to deal with this.
America spends more on the military than the rest of top 10 countries combined. That's China, Russia, UK, Japan, France, Saudi Arabia, India, Germany and Italy. That's why you tend to be world police, because you may be the only country that can actually help in most/all cases where it's needed.
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$300 billion dollars in aid given to the middle east. Same shit, different pile.
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Erm, no, this has nothing to do with nukes in Iraq. Unless Bush made some remark about Syria that I don't know about.
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Guess what?
The Saudis supplied the weapons to the rebels, who had an accident with them.
That is who used the chem wmd. The rebels. KneeJERK Obamao's favorite.
This president has egg on his face now.
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Justfor the record even though I think Obama is a bungler and has probably handled this situation poorly I believe that the Congress should authorize him to take action should he see a need. I think it would be a bad precedent for the chief executive, the commander in chief, to have his hands tied by political bickering. He won't always be President so we don't need to start that type of tradition.
WSS
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Russia raises alarm over Israeli missile test in Mediterranean
Steve Gutterman 1 hour agoBy Steve Gutterman
MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia raised the alarm on Tuesday after detecting the launch of two ballistic "objects" in the Mediterranean Sea but Israel later said it had carried out a joint missile test with the United States.
There were no reports of missile strikes on Syria. Syrian state sources said the missiles had fallen harmlessly into the sea and there were no explosions in the capital Damascus, Russian news agencies reported.
Initial reports of the launch by Russian news agencies had ruffled financial markets because the United States is preparing for a possible military strike on Syria over what it says was a chemical weapons attack by government forces in their conflict with rebels trying to overthrow President Bashar al-Assad.
But the Israeli Defence Ministry said it had tested a missile used as a target in a U.S.-funded anti-missile system at 9:15 a.m (0615 GMT), about the same time as the Russian radar picked up the launch.
"The trajectory of these objects goes from the central part of the Mediterranean Sea toward the eastern part of the Mediterranean coast," Russia's Interfax news agency quoted a Defence Ministry spokesman as saying.
The spokesman said the launch was picked up by an early warning radar station at Armavir, near the Black Sea, which is designed to detect missiles from Europe and Iran.
He did not say who had carried out the launch and whether any impact had been detected, but RIA news agency later quoted a source in Syria's "state structures" as saying the objects had fallen harmlessly into the sea.
The Russian Defence Ministry declined comment to Reuters.
The Russian Embassy in Syria said there were no signs of a missile attack or explosions in Damascus, state-run Itar-Tass reported.
Syria's early warning radar system did not detect any missiles landing on Syrian territory, according to a Syrian security source quoted by Lebanon's al-Manar television.
Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu informed President Vladimir Putin of the launch but it was not immediately clear how he reacted.
Brent crude oil extended gains to rise by more than $1 per barrel and Dubai's share index fell after Russia said it detected the launches.
Russia opposes any outside military intervention in the Syrian civil war, and a Defence Ministry official had earlier criticized the United States for deploying warships in the Mediterranean close to Syria.
Assad's government denies responsibility for the deaths of hundreds of people in the alleged poison gas attack on August 21.
Russia, Assad's most powerful backer during the more than two-year-old conflict in Syria, says it suspects the attack was staged by rebels to provoke military intervention and is critical of U.S. naval deployments in the Mediterranean.
Five U.S. destroyers and an amphibious ship are in the Mediterranean, poised for possible strikes against Syria with cruise missiles - which are not ballistic. U.S. officials said the aircraft carrier USS Nimitz and four other ships in its strike group moved into the Red Sea on Monday.
"The pressure being applied by the United States causes particular concern," Itar-Tass quoted Russian Defence Ministry official Oleg Dogayev as saying.
He said "the dispatch of ships armed with cruise missiles toward Syria's shores has a negative effect on the situation in the region."
(Writing by Steve Gutterman, Editing by Timothy Heritage/Mark Heinrich)
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"As I have walked among the desperate, rejected and angry young men, I have told them that Molotov cocktails and rifles would not solve their problems. I have tried to offer them my deepest compassion while maintaining my conviction that social change comes most meaningfully through nonviolent action.
But they asked—and rightly so—what about Vietnam? They asked if our own nation wasn't using massive doses of violence to solve its problems, to bring about the changes it wanted.
Their questions hit home, and I knew that I could never again raise my voice against the violence of the oppressed in the ghettos, without having first spoken clearly to the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today—my own government. For the sake of those boys, for the sake of this government, for the sake of hundreds of thousands trembling under our violence, I cannot be silent.
We can no longer afford to worship the god of hate or bow before the altar of retaliation. The oceans of history are made turbulent by the ever-rising tides of hate. And history is cluttered with the wreckage of nations and individuals that pursued this self-defeating path of hate." - Martin Luther King, Jr -
Justfor the record even though I think Obama is a bungler and has probably handled this situation poorly I believe that the Congress should authorize him to take action should he see a need. I think it would be a bad precedent for the chief executive, the commander in chief, to have his hands tied by political bickering. He won't always be President so we don't need to start that type of tradition.
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That's a great point, Steve, but this president has lost all credibility - his lack of integrity is alienating dems now. And given all of Obama's wavering, the Syrian gov is now putting their military in civilian areas. This is the same person who couldn't make a simple vote, and still holds the record for the number of times he voted "present" in Illinois. Couldn't/Wouldn't make any decision. That's the only way to hide himself before being found out to be what he is - an incompetent meglomaniac. He's an internationalist, and his decisions aren't sure to be in our nation's best interest. Where ARE all the lefties now, yelling that "Syria didn't do anything to us."
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Russia Arms Syria with Their Most Advanced Anti-Ship Missiles
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But of most immediate concern for the U.S. military are the anti-ship missiles which Syria has reportedly acquired.
so there you go... an attack on Syria is an attack on Russia too!
http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/09/russia-arms-syria-advanced-anti-ship-missiles/#J77UaFoFAqXQ2QpZ.01
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It's weird. Just with this last conflict, how the "right" is against war now. Total shift. Follow the leader I guess.
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actually if you think back the right and left were closer to being on the same page for the Iraq invasion. It was only after the invasion took place in the presidents opposition started throwing a fit.
WSS
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People seem to forget that the majority of citizens were for kicking Hussein's ass prior to the actual invasion.
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People also seem to forget the run up to the Iraq festivities in 2002. Anyone who said they were against
invading Iraq, or even expressed doubt about invading was labeled 'unpatriotic', 'an appeaser', or if they
were really being a pain in the ass, a 'traitor'. Does anyone remember 'Saddam is responsible for 9/11',
warnings about mushroom clouds, etc.? It was only after we weren't greeted with flowers in the streets
of Baghdad, after Bush cut taxes and started borrowing money from China rather than selling Iraqi oil to
pay for the war, after photographs of planes full of flag-draped coffins were banned, that people finally
started to publicly opine that maybe invading Iraq wasn't such a great idea. Am I the only one who remembers
any of this?
Syria is a black hole. Hezbollah is backing Assad and al Quaida is backing the rebels. Who shall we team
up with? The problem is Obama doesn't seem to know his ass from third base. With all the waffling, the
red lines in the sand, the indecision, nothing he says now will be viewed credibly by any of the main players.
If it was always about kissing Israels ass, then from the beginning Obama should have just said so--if you
want to kill each other, fine. If you fuck with Israel there will be hell to pay. But, nothing Obama says now
will be taken seriously by Assad, by the rebels, by Putin.
It does amuse me, in a frightening sort of way, how McCain, Graham, and their ilk are pissing themselves
because we haven't invaded. The wanted us to invade Iran, Egypt, and now Syria. You would think that at
some point our elected "leaders" would perhaps look at U.S. intervention history in the Middle East over the
past 40 years and realize that we are pretty much hated by everyone there.
Syria is lose-lose. Nothing the U.S. does, short of dropping a nuke, is going to ever matter in Syria. Peace is not
going to break out. There is not going to be an outbreak of Jeffersonian democracy. They have been killing
each other for centuries and they aren't about to stop now.
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Six in 10 Oppose U.S.-Only Strike on Syria; A Closer Division if Allies are Involved
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Six in 10 Oppose U.S.-Only Strike on Syria; A Closer Division if Allies are Involved
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Six in 10 Oppose U.S.-Only Strike on Syria; A Closer Division if Allies are Involved
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I worked in DC and hate it with a passion. These guys are all out of touch with reality they have been there so long. Time for some new blood.
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U.S intervention? more like U.S ulterior motives, they'll do & say anything to push their agenda.
How about this one?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_%28testimony%29
This Goverment is completely corrupted, be it Democrat or Republcan, and they've got all the Sheep convinced they're good little Americans to never question them as a whole, only one particular side, doing so of course like you said is unpatriotic. Let's get real they're all a bunch of liars & whores and don't work for the citizens at all.
This Syria crap is really bad, like WW3 bad.
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U.S intervention? more like U.S ulterior motives, they'll do & say anything to push their agenda.
How about this one?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_%28testimony%29
This Goverment is completely corrupted, be it Democrat or Republcan, and they've got all the Sheep convinced they're good little Americans to never question them as a whole, only one particular side, doing so of course like you said is unpatriotic. Let's get real they're all a bunch of liars & whores and don't work for the citizens at all.
This Syria crap is really bad, like WW3 bad.
U.S intervention? more like U.S ulterior motives, they'll do & say anything to push their agenda.
How about this one?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_%28testimony%29
This Goverment is completely corrupted, be it Democrat or Republcan, and they've got all the Sheep convinced they're good little Americans to never question them as a whole, only one particular side, doing so of course like you said is unpatriotic. Let's get real they're all a bunch of liars & whores and don't work for the citizens at all.
This Syria crap is really bad, like WW3 bad.
+1.
Preach on, my brother.
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