Syria
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"As I have walked among the desperate, rejected and angry young men, I have told them that Molotov cocktails and rifles would not solve their problems. I have tried to offer them my deepest compassion while maintaining my conviction that social change comes most meaningfully through nonviolent action.
But they asked—and rightly so—what about Vietnam? They asked if our own nation wasn't using massive doses of violence to solve its problems, to bring about the changes it wanted.
Their questions hit home, and I knew that I could never again raise my voice against the violence of the oppressed in the ghettos, without having first spoken clearly to the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today—my own government. For the sake of those boys, for the sake of this government, for the sake of hundreds of thousands trembling under our violence, I cannot be silent.
We can no longer afford to worship the god of hate or bow before the altar of retaliation. The oceans of history are made turbulent by the ever-rising tides of hate. And history is cluttered with the wreckage of nations and individuals that pursued this self-defeating path of hate." - Martin Luther King, Jr -
Justfor the record even though I think Obama is a bungler and has probably handled this situation poorly I believe that the Congress should authorize him to take action should he see a need. I think it would be a bad precedent for the chief executive, the commander in chief, to have his hands tied by political bickering. He won't always be President so we don't need to start that type of tradition.
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That's a great point, Steve, but this president has lost all credibility - his lack of integrity is alienating dems now. And given all of Obama's wavering, the Syrian gov is now putting their military in civilian areas. This is the same person who couldn't make a simple vote, and still holds the record for the number of times he voted "present" in Illinois. Couldn't/Wouldn't make any decision. That's the only way to hide himself before being found out to be what he is - an incompetent meglomaniac. He's an internationalist, and his decisions aren't sure to be in our nation's best interest. Where ARE all the lefties now, yelling that "Syria didn't do anything to us."
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Russia Arms Syria with Their Most Advanced Anti-Ship Missiles
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But of most immediate concern for the U.S. military are the anti-ship missiles which Syria has reportedly acquired.
so there you go... an attack on Syria is an attack on Russia too!
http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/09/russia-arms-syria-advanced-anti-ship-missiles/#J77UaFoFAqXQ2QpZ.01
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It's weird. Just with this last conflict, how the "right" is against war now. Total shift. Follow the leader I guess.
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actually if you think back the right and left were closer to being on the same page for the Iraq invasion. It was only after the invasion took place in the presidents opposition started throwing a fit.
WSS
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People seem to forget that the majority of citizens were for kicking Hussein's ass prior to the actual invasion.
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People also seem to forget the run up to the Iraq festivities in 2002. Anyone who said they were against
invading Iraq, or even expressed doubt about invading was labeled 'unpatriotic', 'an appeaser', or if they
were really being a pain in the ass, a 'traitor'. Does anyone remember 'Saddam is responsible for 9/11',
warnings about mushroom clouds, etc.? It was only after we weren't greeted with flowers in the streets
of Baghdad, after Bush cut taxes and started borrowing money from China rather than selling Iraqi oil to
pay for the war, after photographs of planes full of flag-draped coffins were banned, that people finally
started to publicly opine that maybe invading Iraq wasn't such a great idea. Am I the only one who remembers
any of this?
Syria is a black hole. Hezbollah is backing Assad and al Quaida is backing the rebels. Who shall we team
up with? The problem is Obama doesn't seem to know his ass from third base. With all the waffling, the
red lines in the sand, the indecision, nothing he says now will be viewed credibly by any of the main players.
If it was always about kissing Israels ass, then from the beginning Obama should have just said so--if you
want to kill each other, fine. If you fuck with Israel there will be hell to pay. But, nothing Obama says now
will be taken seriously by Assad, by the rebels, by Putin.
It does amuse me, in a frightening sort of way, how McCain, Graham, and their ilk are pissing themselves
because we haven't invaded. The wanted us to invade Iran, Egypt, and now Syria. You would think that at
some point our elected "leaders" would perhaps look at U.S. intervention history in the Middle East over the
past 40 years and realize that we are pretty much hated by everyone there.
Syria is lose-lose. Nothing the U.S. does, short of dropping a nuke, is going to ever matter in Syria. Peace is not
going to break out. There is not going to be an outbreak of Jeffersonian democracy. They have been killing
each other for centuries and they aren't about to stop now.
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Six in 10 Oppose U.S.-Only Strike on Syria; A Closer Division if Allies are Involved
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Six in 10 Oppose U.S.-Only Strike on Syria; A Closer Division if Allies are Involved
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Six in 10 Oppose U.S.-Only Strike on Syria; A Closer Division if Allies are Involved
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I worked in DC and hate it with a passion. These guys are all out of touch with reality they have been there so long. Time for some new blood.
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U.S intervention? more like U.S ulterior motives, they'll do & say anything to push their agenda.
How about this one?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_%28testimony%29
This Goverment is completely corrupted, be it Democrat or Republcan, and they've got all the Sheep convinced they're good little Americans to never question them as a whole, only one particular side, doing so of course like you said is unpatriotic. Let's get real they're all a bunch of liars & whores and don't work for the citizens at all.
This Syria crap is really bad, like WW3 bad.
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U.S intervention? more like U.S ulterior motives, they'll do & say anything to push their agenda.
How about this one?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_%28testimony%29
This Goverment is completely corrupted, be it Democrat or Republcan, and they've got all the Sheep convinced they're good little Americans to never question them as a whole, only one particular side, doing so of course like you said is unpatriotic. Let's get real they're all a bunch of liars & whores and don't work for the citizens at all.
This Syria crap is really bad, like WW3 bad.
U.S intervention? more like U.S ulterior motives, they'll do & say anything to push their agenda.
How about this one?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_%28testimony%29
This Goverment is completely corrupted, be it Democrat or Republcan, and they've got all the Sheep convinced they're good little Americans to never question them as a whole, only one particular side, doing so of course like you said is unpatriotic. Let's get real they're all a bunch of liars & whores and don't work for the citizens at all.
This Syria crap is really bad, like WW3 bad.
+1.
Preach on, my brother.
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Love him or hate him this is SPOT ON.
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Military solution in Syria would be futile, Pope tells G20
Philip Pullella 2 hours ago
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Pope Francis listens to a speech during a private audience with Baselios Mar Thoma Paulose II, Catholicos …By Philip Pullella
VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Pope Francis, in a letter to Russian President Vladimir Putin for the G20 summit, urged world leaders on Thursday to "lay aside the futile pursuit of a military solution" in Syria.
The United States and France are considering military action against Damascus in response to a chemical attack on August 21 that killed hundreds of people.
The Vatican released the letter as the Holy See briefed ambassadors about the pope's initiatives, including an unprecedented international day of prayer for peace in Syria which he has called for this Saturday.
The U.S. and French envoys were among some 70 envoys at Thursday's meeting with Archbishop Dominique Mamberti, the Vatican's foreign minister.
"It is regrettable that, from the very beginning of the conflict in Syria, one-sided interests have prevailed and in fact hindered the search for a solution that would have avoided the senseless massacre now unfolding," the pope said.
"To the (G20) leaders present, to each and every one, I make a heartfelt appeal for them to help find ways to overcome the conflicting positions and to lay aside the futile pursuit of a military solution."
He said the international community should instead press for "a peaceful solution through dialogue and negotiation".
G20 host Putin is trying to talk U.S. President Barack Obama out of air strikes to punish President Bashar al-Assad for the chemical weapons attack, which the West blames on the Syrian government. Assad's government denies it was responsible.
In the letter, Francis, the former Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio of Argentina, asked the Russian president to pray for him.
Putin always attends major religious festivals of the Russian Orthodox Church and has deepened his ties with the Church in recent years as part of a conservative course he has taken as president to rally voters behind him following street protests by the opposition.
The Vatican has been pressing its message on Syria all week since the pope announced his peace initiative last Sunday.
The Holy See's deputy justice minister said the Syrian conflict had "all the ingredients" to spark a global conflict and the leader of the worldwide Jesuit order said a military intervention by the United States or France would be "an abuse of power".
Francis has called on the world's 1.2 billion Roman Catholics to join him on Saturday in a day of prayer and fasting to end the Syrian conflict. He has invited members of all faiths to join him around the world in whatever way they see fit.
He will lead a prayer service in St Peter's Square expected to draw tens of thousands of people. At about five hours, it will be one of the longest events ever at the Vatican.
(Additional reporting by Timothy Heritage in St Petersburg, editing by Barry Moody and Mark Trevelyan)
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If Obama bypasses the UN, watch for WWIII. He needs to be impeached for this.
Kosar, I agree that could be a possibility. This country has gone down hill rapidly in the past year or less. Russia and China back Syria. Iran also. Obama is playing around with shit he should just leave alone. We have no business interfering with the Syrians. I firmly believe it was the rebels who set off the nerve agents they probably captured.
Kosar, I agree that could be a possibility. This country has gone down hill rapidly in the past year or less. Russia and China back Syria. Iran also. Obama is playing around with shit he should just leave alone. We have no business interfering with the Syrians. I firmly believe it was the rebels who set off the nerve agents they probably captured.
Yep. This is whats scary...our clueless leaders. Putin was correct is stating that the use of chemical weapons by Syria on its own people was "nonsense".
The rebels had previously taken over and occupied a Syrian military compound that stored chemical weapons. It was the rebels that were responsible. It is possible that the attack was meant to kill Syrian troops, not civilians, simply because Syrian troops were stationed nearby.
Why kill civilians?... there was nothing in it for Assad. Why fire these weapons near the vicinity of his own troops?
I believe Obama knows exactly who fired the weapons. He is so hellbent on Islam, and wants approval from congress to protect his ass should this fucker start WW3.
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What's hysterical is that Obama got a Nobel Peace Prize after being in office for only a few months. Hadn't accomplished a fucking thing. The world was in love with the man of change, the Anti-Christ.
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What's hysterical is that Obama got a Nobel Peace Prize after being in office for only a few months. Hadn't accomplished a fucking thing. The world was in love with the man of change, the Anti-Christ.
What's hysterical is that Obama got a Nobel Peace Prize after being in office for only a few months. Hadn't accomplished a fucking thing. The world was in love with the man of change, the Anti-Christ.
Funny thing is, based on the other thread, you probably seriously believe he is the anti-Christ.. bringing on end times as you wait to get ruptured
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I think your mom dropped you on your head when you were an infant.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
There can't possibly be WMD's in that region. Salon, Slate, Huff post, NYT, The Daily show spent the last decade telling me so.
Also, John McCain is the Gary Busey of Congress
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