Dolphin Fans: A Bunch of Tools
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Mike Wallace and Brian Hartline combined have accomplished more than Little, Benjamin and Cameron.
Yea, they are long time veterans...and ours are 2d year guys. And Wallace ain't got BR throwing to him now...or Sanders/Emmanuel/Hines Ward to accompany him. again, talk to Steeler fan...they go on about how Wallace was addition by subtraction. The question of whether or not Wallace is a true #1 WR is still up for grabs.
Let's not forget your other starting receiver, Davone Bess, who we dumped on you because the guy doesn't know what TDs or YAC are.
But, apparently he knows what first downs are. I understand that he was pretty darn good at getting the first down on like 3rd and 7. That is what we need. We got other guys for YAC and TDs.
And at least our QB doesn't turn the ball over at a record pace.
You have no clue WTF you are talking about.
Weeden has 14 TDs last year to 17 Ints.
Tannehill had 12 TDs to 13 ints. Not an appreciable difference.
(4 of BW3s ints were in his very first game, absent that, he is on the plus side)
I guess fumbles don't count as turnovers in Poopland...
I guess fumbles don't count as turnovers in Poopland...
They count if anyone has any. To my knowledge Weeden had very few fumbles. And the Browns had a positive turnover ratio.
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Miami U. Same as Kosar. What has that got to do with the price of a blow job in Mexico?
Maybe people should think before posting that Miami fans wouldn't know who Travis Benjamin is.
I know life is depressing in Cleveland, but try to follow along.
Maybe people should think before posting that Miami fans wouldn't know who Travis Benjamin is.
I know life is depressing in Cleveland, but try to follow along.
Based on your recent posts...yes, I do think it seems necessary to inform you of who is who on the Browns and where they come from.
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This is to compare talent at each respective position. Is that concept beyond your intellectual level?
It's a pretty stupid way to look at how teams match up.
Wouldn't it make more sense to see how wide receivers match up with cornerbacks or how defensive linemen match up with offensive linemen?
Also, did special teams get eliminated from the game of football? You didn't even bother taking that into consideration.
Probably because your special teams were ranked bottom 3 last year...
It's a pretty stupid way to look at how teams match up.
Why? Because you are too stupid to follow the bouncing ball. Anyone here can talk about any subject they wish. If I want to compare position by position I will. If you don't like it, stick a Dolphin where the sun don't shine. You certainly have proven a big enough asshole to accomodate a full grown phish up there.
Wouldn't it make more sense to see how wide receivers match up with cornerbacks or how defensive linemen match up with offensive linemen?
Maybe...you are certainly welcome to discuss and analyze those matchups if it pleases you. Or is your thing just to bitch about what others do and never do anything yourself?
Also, did special teams get eliminated from the game of football? You didn't even bother taking that into consideration.
No, I didn't. So what? I can do what I want, or not do it.
You want that done? You do it. No one has chains on you preventing it.
Probably because your special teams were ranked bottom 3 last year...
Prove it. Bring some statistics to the table. Actually, they may have been Top 5. Cribbs was in Top 5 in Kickoff returns.
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Ok... here's the end all be all!
Our QB's wife is hotter than your QB's wife! FACT!
Yes, That is the end all. "Our guy sucks, but look at his wife!"
Zombo
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Ok... here's the end all be all!
Our QB's wife is hotter than your QB's wife! FACT!
ummm, our qb is a ginger. That isn't his fault, but in the eyes of attractive women, he could be Bill Gates and still be deemed unattractive. It is the law of gingers. Kinda like a guy that builds a million bridges but only sucks one cock, and he'll forever be known as a cocksucker; you know that one.
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Jesus, if they were this good they would have been in the Super Bowl.
While I am unfamiliar with a lot of Miami's talent....I suggest a great deal of bias is at play here.
Just a simple example: You have Brent Grimes better than Joe Haden? Joe is one of the best 5 CBs in the game. Grimes was passed over by the Browns for Chris Owens.....who now sits on our second string.
And your RCB was let go by the Browns...in favor of the guy who now plays that position for us.
I am sure there are a lot of other problems here...but corrections will have to wait.
Before his injury, Brent Grimes was a top 5 CB.
Joe Haden is certain good as well, but I would argue that whoever Grimes is covering on the Browns side of the ball will have a hard time getting open, which I am sure the same could be said for Haden, who is also very good and not coming off a major injury.
That being said, I don't see a lot to be scared of from the Browns wideouts, while Miami at least has a guy who can take it to the house if Cleveland slips up.
I expect a close, defensive battle but Miami has the homerun hitter, even if he gets shut out most of the day, all it takes is one play.
Also, don't look past Lamar Miller, who has very good vision, ability to change direction and open field speed.
Gipper, I give you credit for being an island of reason in an ocean of madness. You seem like the only one here willing to have s discussion rather than resorting to infantile trash talking.
Before his injury, Brent Grimes was a top 5 CB.
"Was" is the operative term.
Joe Haden is certain good as well, but I would argue that whoever Grimes is covering on the Browns side of the ball will have a hard time getting open, which I am sure the same could be said for Haden, who is also very good and not coming off a major injury.
That being said, I don't see a lot to be scared of from the Browns wideouts, while Miami at least has a guy who can take it to the house if Cleveland slips up.
Not having Gordon hurts. Benjamin is every bit as fast as Wallace....just not as experienced.
I expect a close, defensive battle but Miami has the homerun hitter, even if he gets shut out most of the day, all it takes is one play.
Also, don't look past Lamar Miller, who has very good vision, ability to change direction and open field speed.
I don't think anyone is looking past him....its just that 32 out of 32 NFL GMs would not trade TR straight up for Miller. One of your brethren seemed to imply that they would.
Gipper, I give you credit for being an island of reason in an ocean of madness. You seem like the only one here willing to have s discussion rather than resorting to infantile trash talking.
I will engage in my share of it...if the mood strikes me.
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Oh well, I guess I missed 5 pages of this fun overnight.
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Zombo said:
That sounds dumb now, but it's going to really sound dumb around 4:00 PM Sunday.
By the way ... Your offense is not scary at all. Brian Hartline has 6 TDs in 4 years ... he's one of your scary threats?
OK, so Mike Wallace has one big play. What else are you going to do against our pressure?
Zombo
Hartline is a 4th year guy who needed a guy like Wallace to take the extra cover guy off of him. He still had a 1000yds last year despite seeing double coverage. Lamar Miller is a younger, faster version of Reggie Bush. Miami has upgraded. Cleveland stood pat.
Hartline is a 4th year guy who needed a guy like Wallace to take the extra cover guy off of him. He still had a 1000yds last year despite seeing double coverage. Lamar Miller is a younger, faster version of Reggie Bush. Miami has upgraded. Cleveland stood pat.
They had like 5 rookies starting on offense. If they stood pat, it was because they simply needed the guys they got to get experience.
Besides, they didn't stand pat. Unfortuneately the move they made was getting Dion Lewis to be another offensive threat. (a Reggie Bush like player). The problem is that he broke his leg and is out for the year. They also got Davone Bess to be a possession receiver.
You all apparently didn't like him because he wasn't a home run hitter and that is why you got Wallace. Well, we got Bess to do what Bess does best: catch first downs.
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I have no clue why fans argue and talk shit about the cities in America the teams represent instead of the actual teams themselves but anyway...
I'm just dishing it all back to them. There are no doubt a few sane people on here, but the majority of these posts have been focused on slamming the stereotypical demographic of South Florida from scum who have never been to the area. Will Chudzinski and Norv Turner be scoring touchdowns for you this season as well? Philbin and Sherman probably won't be much of a threat in such a circumstance, so you got us on that.
I'm just dishing it all back to them. There are no doubt a few sane people on here, but the majority of these posts have been focused on slamming the stereotypical demographic of South Florida from scum who have never been to the area. Will Chudzinski and Norv Turner be scoring touchdowns for you this season as well? Philbin and Sherman probably won't be much of a threat in such a circumstance, so you got us on that.
I wouldn't focus on demographics....but I can say this: I lived in south Florida for a bit....6 weeks and I was done living there. No thank you. And both my sister and my niece left So. Florida for Northeast Ohio, and my nephew left Florida for Northeast Florida (Jax). As for saying something stupid like "you have nothing to do in Ohio" shows pure ignorance. There is nothing in South Florida that NEOhio doesn't have as well....except alligators and pythons. We have fine clubs and restaurants. And FYI, you can surf in Cleveland...and windsurf, and do anything you want on the water. No sharks and Marlins here....but anyone can tell you they would rather eat walleye than shark or marlin.
And you can't ski in Miami...downhill (small, but there) and x country.
And FYI, LeBron may now work in Miami, but he still lives right here, not far from me.
Did he let D Wade make him his little bitch? Yes. Is he a FRAK? Yes. But he still chooses to live here.
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back stabbing bball players (LeChoke). The way people in drive in Miami is ridiculous...makes
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! The dude must have "choked" his way to back to back NBA Finals MVPs while he left your team perennially competing for the NBA draft lottery year after year. It's a broken record. ALL of your teams suck, the city of Cleveland (even saying that name makes me want to laugh) has a whole never ending history of such biblical proportions of failure that it makes the Chicago Cubs look like the Pittsburgh Steelers, get over it. Oh, but thanks for LeBron!
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! The dude must have "choked" his way to back to back NBA Finals MVPs while he left your team perennially competing for the NBA draft lottery year after year. It's a broken record. ALL of your teams suck, the city of Cleveland (even saying that name makes me want to laugh) has a whole never ending history of such biblical proportions of failure that it makes the Chicago Cubs look like the Pittsburgh Steelers, get over it. Oh, but thanks for LeBron!
The truth is: LeBron didn't choke. He quit. When he was here he quit. So, you in Florida will have him one more year. Then he will move. Maybe even back here, you never know.
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South Florida is a joke though, when you are talking about fans of sport teams. I have never witnessed a sporting event in Florida where the home team had more fans than the visiting team. The exception would be the Heat since LeBron and Bosh signed on. But those are the worst fans, so it is actually detrimental to South Florida, in the area of sports fans. No loyalty.
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you all can have LeBron for another season. He will return to play basketball in Cleveland after the Heat management begins their financial resuscitation.
and how bout that baseball team in Miami? you really want to go there? really?
LOL baseball??? I'd rather watch paint dry. Literally. I wouldn't go to a Marlins' game for free. It doesn't make me a "bandwagon, fairweather " or just straight up "bad" fan, I just hate the sport. This is why I laughed at the post on this thread earlier about some genius saying he met a guy in Miami who said he would take the Cane's 5 national championships over the Heat's last 2 any day, and labeled him as a "bandwagon" fan because of it. Ever think that the guy likes one team/sport more than the other? I'm a Miami Dolphins, Miami Heat, Miami Hurricanes, and Florida Panthers fan, but I don't like the Marlins, that must mean I'm a bandwagon fan. Hmmm....let's get some damn common sense up in here.
LOL baseball??? I'd rather watch paint dry. Literally. I wouldn't go to a Marlins' game for free. It doesn't make me a "bandwagon, fairweather " or just straight up "bad" fan, I just hate the sport. This is why I laughed at the post on this thread earlier about some genius saying he met a guy in Miami who said he would take the Cane's 5 national championships over the Heat's last 2 any day, and labeled him as a "bandwagon" fan because of it. Ever think that the guy likes one team/sport more than the other? I'm a Miami Dolphins, Miami Heat, Miami Hurricanes, and Florida Panthers fan, but I don't like the Marlins, that must mean I'm a bandwagon fan. Hmmm....let's get some damn common sense up in here.
I am curious about this: Baseball really is the national sport of most of the Caribbean. Hispanics really pretty much dominate the sport now. And South Florida has just about the largest Hispanic population in the nation. Yet, the Marlins baseball team gets crappy support from the locals....including, apparently, the large Hispanic population. And now the new Miami ballpark, which seems very nice, is smack in the middle of the Hispanic community (built on the site of the old Orange Bowl).
Why is it that the supposed baseball crazy Hispanic community doesn't support its local major league baseball team.
I truly am curious about that.
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Well now dont get me wrong Love Cleveland, but when you say hey Florida Casey Anthony Etc Etc...Remember Cleveland had a a dude kidnap a chick for 22 yrs How the Fuck does that happen???? But yes Florida has some CRAZY SHIT happen all the time trust me!!! And yes it gets way to hot at times
Yeah, but he's dead now.
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Ok... here's the end all be all!
Our QB's wife is hotter than your QB's wife! FACT!
Prove it. Post a photo of them both.
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Yeah, it is Grimes and Patterson... but I'm not sure that's good. Patterson has a huge vendetta in mind, says what happened in Cleveland "had nothing to do with football." Grimes had a pretty terrific preseason and their media said he looked "every inch a shutdown corner."
Aside from Cameron Wake and Ellerbe, their defense is a little nondescript. Wallace, Hartline, and Gipson? Eh. We'll see.
It'd be a great win. Gives us another week to get well and off suspension.
Yeah, it is Grimes and Patterson... but I'm not sure that's good. Patterson has a huge vendetta in mind, says what happened in Cleveland "had nothing to do with football." Grimes had a pretty terrific preseason and their media said he looked "every inch a shutdown corner."
Aside from Cameron Wake and Ellerbe, their defense is a little nondescript. Wallace, Hartline, and Gipson? Eh. We'll see.
It'd be a great win. Gives us another week to get well and off suspension.
Hey guys, Dolfan here (obviously). I come from thephins.com (SICK is my user there). I wanted to wish yall a healthy game.
I wanted to touch on the bolded from the 1st page, sorry if its been discussed further. But you are forgetting some key parts to the Dolphins defense. Randy Starks and Paul Soliai are both pro bowl defensive tackles. Jarred Odrick is FINALLY being moved inside to his normal 3 gap technique position where he dominated at Penn St and made him a first rounder.
Phillip Wheeler is fast and along with Ellerbe is one of the best pass rushing LBs in the league. Rashad Jones is one of the up and coming safetys around, and PFF graded Chris Clemons as one of their top safetys. Our corner depth however has me shitting my pants. Our 2nd and 3rd round pick rookies Will Davis and Jamar Taylor most likely wont play. That leaves us with Jimmy Wilson and Nolan Carrol manning the #3 and 4 corner spots. Dimitri will probably bump into the slot in nickle formations.....however, like you guys with Mingo, we are hoping our rookie pss rusher Dion Jordan will play (has practiced fully all week).....mix him in with Wake rushing your RT and Oliver Vernon coming with a high motor, Weeden is going to need to get rid of the ball quickly.
Someone else mentioned this could come down to a wash, and I agree. This is NOT the cakewalk some dolfans are claiming. I think it's going to be an awesome, underrated game (only shown to 9% of the country on CBS)...and both teams will surprise people.
My grandparents live in Sandusky OH, and I used to live there.....I always loved Bernie Kosar as a U of M fan (miami, not Michigan you OSU guys).....so I have nothing but love for the state of Ohio. Hope both teams come out healthy, and sorry but I hope Miami wins.....
Miami - 24
Cleveland 21
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OK, lets look at the matchups and see who gets the edge:
Browns vs. Dolphins:
QB Weeden vs. Tannehill
RB Richardson vs. Miller
FB Ogbanaya vs. Tyler Clutts
TE Cameron vs. Charles Clay
WR Little vs. Mike Wallace
WR Bess vs. Hartline
LT Joe Thomas vs. Jonathan Martin
LG John Greco vs. Rich Incognito
C Mack vs. Mike Pouncey
RG Oneil Cousins vs. Jerry John
RT Schwartz vs. Tyson Clabo
Defense: (Browns run 3-4...Fins 4-3, so head to head is not quite possible)
DEs: Rubin and D. Bryant vs. Cameron Wake and Olivier Vernon
DTs: Phil Taylor vs. Randy Starks and Paul Soliai
LOBs: Kruger and Sheard vs. Koa Misi and Phillip Wheeler
ILBs: Robertson and DQ Jackson vs. Dan Ellerbe
LCB: Haden vs. Brent Grimes
SS: TJ Ward vs. Reshad Jones
FS: Gipson vs. Chris Clemens
RCB: Buster Skrine vs. Dmitri Patterson
Give us who has the edge at each slot.
OK, lets look at the matchups and see who gets the edge:
No one else has given an honest effort at this, so I will try, given my limited knowledge of the Fins talent:
Browns vs. Dolphins:
QB Weeden vs. Tannehill...yes, a wash at this point.
RB Richardson vs. Miller...Richardson. Miller ain't bad, but he doesn't have TR potential
FB Ogbanaya vs. Tyler Clutts...Probably a wash, though I think Ogby may be more versatile
TE Cameron vs. Charles Clay...another wash, both young guys trying to prove themselves.
WR Little vs. Mike Wallace...I will give the edge to Wallace on reputation alone. Gordon being in would change this.
WR Bess vs. Hartline...two possession type guys. I will give edge to Hartline because he is supposed to be a #2...Bess is not, plus he has been banged up and has not played hardly at all in preseason.
LT Joe Thomas vs. Jonathan Martin...no brainer, JT
LG John Greco vs. Rich Incognito...call it a wash
C Mack vs. Mike Pouncey...there is some debate about who is better: Maurkice Pouncey, or Mack. But Mack is better than Mike. Browns.
RG Oneil Cousins vs. Jerry John...give it to Dolphins. Cousins is a fill in converted tackle.
RT Schwartz vs. Tyson Clabo...The Schwartz is turning into a top 5 RT. Edge Browns.
Defense: (Browns run 3-4...Fins 4-3, so head to head is not quite possible)
DEs: Rubin and D. Bryant vs. Cameron Wake and Olivier Vernon...Wake is supposed to be all that and a bag of chips. Edge Dolphins
DTs: Phil Taylor vs. Randy Starks and Paul Soliai...both Fish have been to the Pro Bowl...so I will reluctantly give it to them combined, though, individually I don't believe they are better than Taylor. Edge Dolphins
LOBs: Kruger and Sheard vs. Koa Misi and Phillip Wheeler...edge Browns
ILBs: Robertson and DQ Jackson vs. Dan Ellerbe Ellerbe and DQ are on par I believe. I will give it a wash.
LCB: Haden vs. Brent Grimes...Grimes wasn't as good as Haden before his injury. Edge Browns.
SS: TJ Ward vs. Reshad Jones..I don't know this Jones. TJ Ward is Pro Bowl talent...Edge Browns
FS: Gipson vs. Chris Clemens...I don't know this Clemens...but I suspect he has more experience than Gipson, so I will give the edge to Dolphins
RCB: Buster Skrine vs. Dmitri Patterson We KNOW Dmitri sucks swamp water. Skrine beat him out for a jobe. Edge Browns.
Give us who has the edge at each slot.
I will let Emmince Funk do the special teams....but I will concede the kicker slot to the Dolphins whoever they have.
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OK, lets look at the matchups and see who gets the edge:
No one else has given an honest effort at this, so I will try, given my limited knowledge of the Fins talent:
Browns vs. Dolphins:
QB Weeden vs. Tannehill...yes, a wash at this point.
RB Richardson vs. Miller...Richardson. Miller ain't bad, but he doesn't have TR potential
FB Ogbanaya vs. Tyler Clutts...Probably a wash, though I think Ogby may be more versatile
TE Cameron vs. Charles Clay...another wash, both young guys trying to prove themselves.
WR Little vs. Mike Wallace...I will give the edge to Wallace on reputation alone. Gordon being in would change this.
WR Bess vs. Hartline...two possession type guys. I will give edge to Hartline because he is supposed to be a #2...Bess is not, plus he has been banged up and has not played hardly at all in preseason.
LT Joe Thomas vs. Jonathan Martin...no brainer, JT
LG John Greco vs. Rich Incognito...call it a wash
C Mack vs. Mike Pouncey...there is some debate about who is better: Maurkice Pouncey, or Mack. But Mack is better than Mike. Browns.
RG Oneil Cousins vs. Jerry John...give it to Dolphins. Cousins is a fill in converted tackle.
RT Schwartz vs. Tyson Clabo...The Schwartz is turning into a top 5 RT. Edge Browns.
Defense: (Browns run 3-4...Fins 4-3, so head to head is not quite possible)
DEs: Rubin and D. Bryant vs. Cameron Wake and Olivier Vernon...Wake is supposed to be all that and a bag of chips. Edge Dolphins
DTs: Phil Taylor vs. Randy Starks and Paul Soliai...both Fish have been to the Pro Bowl...so I will reluctantly give it to them combined, though, individually I don't believe they are better than Taylor. Edge Dolphins
LOBs: Kruger and Sheard vs. Koa Misi and Phillip Wheeler...edge Browns
ILBs: Robertson and DQ Jackson vs. Dan Ellerbe Ellerbe and DQ are on par I believe. I will give it a wash.
LCB: Haden vs. Brent Grimes...Grimes wasn't as good as Haden before his injury. Edge Browns.
SS: TJ Ward vs. Reshad Jones..I don't know this Jones. TJ Ward is Pro Bowl talent...Edge Browns
FS: Gipson vs. Chris Clemens...I don't know this Clemens...but I suspect he has more experience than Gipson, so I will give the edge to Dolphins
RCB: Buster Skrine vs. Dmitri Patterson We KNOW Dmitri sucks swamp water. Skrine beat him out for a jobe. Edge Browns.
Give us who has the edge at each slot.
I will let Emmince Funk do the special teams....but I will concede the kicker slot to the Dolphins whoever they have.
OK, lets look at the matchups and see who gets the edge:
No one else has given an honest effort at this, so I will try, given my limited knowledge of the Fins talent:
Browns vs. Dolphins:
QB Weeden vs. Tannehill...yes, a wash at this point.
RB Richardson vs. Miller...Richardson. Miller ain't bad, but he doesn't have TR potential
FB Ogbanaya vs. Tyler Clutts...Probably a wash, though I think Ogby may be more versatile
TE Cameron vs. Charles Clay...another wash, both young guys trying to prove themselves.
WR Little vs. Mike Wallace...I will give the edge to Wallace on reputation alone. Gordon being in would change this.
WR Bess vs. Hartline...two possession type guys. I will give edge to Hartline because he is supposed to be a #2...Bess is not, plus he has been banged up and has not played hardly at all in preseason.
LT Joe Thomas vs. Jonathan Martin...no brainer, JT
LG John Greco vs. Rich Incognito...call it a wash
C Mack vs. Mike Pouncey...there is some debate about who is better: Maurkice Pouncey, or Mack. But Mack is better than Mike. Browns.
RG Oneil Cousins vs. Jerry John...give it to Dolphins. Cousins is a fill in converted tackle.
RT Schwartz vs. Tyson Clabo...The Schwartz is turning into a top 5 RT. Edge Browns.
Defense: (Browns run 3-4...Fins 4-3, so head to head is not quite possible)
DEs: Rubin and D. Bryant vs. Cameron Wake and Olivier Vernon...Wake is supposed to be all that and a bag of chips. Edge Dolphins
DTs: Phil Taylor vs. Randy Starks and Paul Soliai...both Fish have been to the Pro Bowl...so I will reluctantly give it to them combined, though, individually I don't believe they are better than Taylor. Edge Dolphins
LOBs: Kruger and Sheard vs. Koa Misi and Phillip Wheeler...edge Browns
ILBs: Robertson and DQ Jackson vs. Dan Ellerbe Ellerbe and DQ are on par I believe. I will give it a wash.
LCB: Haden vs. Brent Grimes...Grimes wasn't as good as Haden before his injury. Edge Browns.
SS: TJ Ward vs. Reshad Jones..I don't know this Jones. TJ Ward is Pro Bowl talent...Edge Browns
FS: Gipson vs. Chris Clemens...I don't know this Clemens...but I suspect he has more experience than Gipson, so I will give the edge to Dolphins
RCB: Buster Skrine vs. Dmitri Patterson We KNOW Dmitri sucks swamp water. Skrine beat him out for a jobe. Edge Browns.
Give us who has the edge at each slot.
I will let Emmince Funk do the special teams....but I will concede the kicker slot to the Dolphins whoever they have.
You're wrong about Center and Jones/Ward safety. Other than that....I agree with all.
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Yeah, it is Grimes and Patterson... but I'm not sure that's good. Patterson has a huge vendetta in mind, says what happened in Cleveland "had nothing to do with football." Grimes had a pretty terrific preseason and their media said he looked "every inch a shutdown corner."
Aside from Cameron Wake and Ellerbe, their defense is a little nondescript. Wallace, Hartline, and Gipson? Eh. We'll see.
It'd be a great win. Gives us another week to get well and off suspension.
Hey guys, Dolfan here (obviously). I come from thephins.com (SICK is my user there). I wanted to wish yall a healthy game.
I wanted to touch on the bolded from the 1st page, sorry if its been discussed further. But you are forgetting some key parts to the Dolphins defense. Randy Starks and Paul Soliai are both pro bowl defensive tackles. Jarred Odrick is FINALLY being moved inside to his normal 3 gap technique position where he dominated at Penn St and made him a first rounder.
Phillip Wheeler is fast and along with Ellerbe is one of the best pass rushing LBs in the league. Rashad Jones is one of the up and coming safetys around, and PFF graded Chris Clemons as one of their top safetys. Our corner depth however has me shitting my pants. Our 2nd and 3rd round pick rookies Will Davis and Jamar Taylor most likely wont play. That leaves us with Jimmy Wilson and Nolan Carrol manning the #3 and 4 corner spots. Dimitri will probably bump into the slot in nickle formations.....however, like you guys with Mingo, we are hoping our rookie pss rusher Dion Jordan will play (has practiced fully all week).....mix him in with Wake rushing your RT and Oliver Vernon coming with a high motor, Weeden is going to need to get rid of the ball quickly.
Someone else mentioned this could come down to a wash, and I agree. This is NOT the cakewalk some dolfans are claiming. I think it's going to be an awesome, underrated game (only shown to 9% of the country on CBS)...and both teams will surprise people.
My grandparents live in Sandusky OH, and I used to live there.....I always loved Bernie Kosar as a U of M fan (miami, not Michigan you OSU guys).....so I have nothing but love for the state of Ohio. Hope both teams come out healthy, and sorry but I hope Miami wins.....
Miami - 24
Cleveland 21
Hey guys, Dolfan here (obviously). I come from thephins.com (SICK is my user there). I wanted to wish yall a healthy game.
I wanted to touch on the bolded from the 1st page, sorry if its been discussed further. But you are forgetting some key parts to the Dolphins defense. Randy Starks and Paul Soliai are both pro bowl defensive tackles.
I gave those two combined the edge over Phil Taylor, but as noted, individually I don't think Phil takes a back seat at all to either one.
Jarred Odrick is FINALLY being moved inside to his normal 3 gap technique position where he dominated at Penn St and made him a first rounder.
Phillip Wheeler is fast and along with Ellerbe is one of the best pass rushing LBs in the league.
We got Kruger from the Ravens, you got Ellerbe from the Ravens. Kruger was the better pass rusher with them, so he gets my edge.
The way you describe it, Roberson and Wheeler may be cut from the same cloth.
Rashad Jones is one of the up and coming safetys around,
TJ Ward is arrived as one of the best SS...so he gets that edge.
and PFF graded Chris Clemons as one of their top safetys.
OK, we got a guy that has started 3 games...but looks good, But I gave it to your guy.
Our corner depth however has me shitting my pants.
It is at least one of your starters that should make you crap. Patterson was released by the Browns in favor of the guy we have starting (and no one here believes that was a mistake)
Our 2nd and 3rd round pick rookies Will Davis and Jamar Taylor most likely wont play.
Funny, our 2d round pick won't either...that was Josh Gordon (2d round used in prior year Supp. draft)
Our 3rd is also a rookie CB...Leon McFadden. He will play, a bit. Not there yet.
That leaves us with Jimmy Wilson and Nolan Carrol manning the #3 and 4 corner spots. Dimitri will probably bump into the slot in nickle formations....
.however, like you guys with Mingo, we are hoping our rookie pss rusher Dion Jordan will play (has practiced fully all week).....mix him in with Wake rushing your RT and Oliver Vernon coming with a high motor, Weeden is going to need to get rid of the ball quickly.
Our RT can handle it. Our RG....maybe not so much. That is the Browns weak point on the line.
Jordan and Mingo do make for interesting backups.
Someone else mentioned this could come down to a wash, and I agree. This is NOT the cakewalk some dolfans are claiming. I think it's going to be an awesome, underrated game (only shown to 9% of the country on CBS)...and both teams will surprise people.
My grandparents live in Sandusky OH, and I used to live there.....I always loved Bernie Kosar as a U of M fan (miami, not Michigan you OSU guys).....so I have nothing but love for the state of Ohio. Hope both teams come out healthy, and sorry but I hope Miami wins.....
Miami - 24
Cleveland 21
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OK, lets look at the matchups and see who gets the edge:
No one else has given an honest effort at this, so I will try, given my limited knowledge of the Fins talent:
Browns vs. Dolphins:
QB Weeden vs. Tannehill...yes, a wash at this point.
RB Richardson vs. Miller...Richardson. Miller ain't bad, but he doesn't have TR potential
FB Ogbanaya vs. Tyler Clutts...Probably a wash, though I think Ogby may be more versatile
TE Cameron vs. Charles Clay...another wash, both young guys trying to prove themselves.
WR Little vs. Mike Wallace...I will give the edge to Wallace on reputation alone. Gordon being in would change this.
WR Bess vs. Hartline...two possession type guys. I will give edge to Hartline because he is supposed to be a #2...Bess is not, plus he has been banged up and has not played hardly at all in preseason.
LT Joe Thomas vs. Jonathan Martin...no brainer, JT
LG John Greco vs. Rich Incognito...call it a wash
C Mack vs. Mike Pouncey...there is some debate about who is better: Maurkice Pouncey, or Mack. But Mack is better than Mike. Browns.
RG Oneil Cousins vs. Jerry John...give it to Dolphins. Cousins is a fill in converted tackle.
RT Schwartz vs. Tyson Clabo...The Schwartz is turning into a top 5 RT. Edge Browns.
Defense: (Browns run 3-4...Fins 4-3, so head to head is not quite possible)
DEs: Rubin and D. Bryant vs. Cameron Wake and Olivier Vernon...Wake is supposed to be all that and a bag of chips. Edge Dolphins
DTs: Phil Taylor vs. Randy Starks and Paul Soliai...both Fish have been to the Pro Bowl...so I will reluctantly give it to them combined, though, individually I don't believe they are better than Taylor. Edge Dolphins
LOBs: Kruger and Sheard vs. Koa Misi and Phillip Wheeler...edge Browns
ILBs: Robertson and DQ Jackson vs. Dan Ellerbe Ellerbe and DQ are on par I believe. I will give it a wash.
LCB: Haden vs. Brent Grimes...Grimes wasn't as good as Haden before his injury. Edge Browns.
SS: TJ Ward vs. Reshad Jones..I don't know this Jones. TJ Ward is Pro Bowl talent...Edge Browns
FS: Gipson vs. Chris Clemens...I don't know this Clemens...but I suspect he has more experience than Gipson, so I will give the edge to Dolphins
RCB: Buster Skrine vs. Dmitri Patterson We KNOW Dmitri sucks swamp water. Skrine beat him out for a jobe. Edge Browns.
Give us who has the edge at each slot.
I will let Emmince Funk do the special teams....but I will concede the kicker slot to the Dolphins whoever they have.
You're wrong about Center and Jones/Ward safety. Other than that....I agree with all.
You're wrong about Center and Jones/Ward safety. Other than that....I agree with all.
I am almost certain I am not wrong about center. And if Jones is better than Ward, then he will need to be first team All Pro.
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I have no clue why fans argue and talk shit about the cities in America the teams represent instead of the actual teams themselves but anyway...
Us Browns fans are a tad excited and over eager. The offense and its effectiveness will be impacted by Gordons absence, but I must note that the WR core as of right now is not bad at all, in fact Greg Little and Bess are fine targets...its just Weeden. If Weeden plays with the potential we saw in the first couple preseason games, then the offense will be fine. Cameron is a great target also, along with T rich. Offense should be ok.
And seriously, we cannot hype the coaching staff enough. This is the biggest upgrade for Cleveland this year, competent coaching. So watch out, the Browns may not win 11 games but they WILL be significantly improved all around. Guaranteed, thats why we are so excited for Sunday,
Browns 20 dolphins 16
I have no clue why fans argue and talk shit about the cities in America the teams represent instead of the actual teams themselves but anyway...
Us Browns fans are a tad excited and over eager. The offense and its effectiveness will be impacted by Gordons absence, but I must note that the WR core as of right now is not bad at all, in fact Greg Little and Bess are fine targets...its just Weeden. If Weeden plays with the potential we saw in the first couple preseason games, then the offense will be fine. Cameron is a great target also, along with T rich. Offense should be ok.
And seriously, we cannot hype the coaching staff enough. This is the biggest upgrade for Cleveland this year, competent coaching. So watch out, the Browns may not win 11 games but they WILL be significantly improved all around. Guaranteed, thats why we are so excited for Sunday,
Browns 20 dolphins 16
If I were honest, I hated them moving Bess. All he did was get open and catch every ball thrown in his zip code. People complained about his redzone production but Miami would've never sniffed the redzone without him. He's also a class act. I hope he sucks this weekend, but otherwise wish him well.
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